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Slumberjack
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Love it when 420 falls on a Friday.  On April 20th, let's celebrate, observe, and perhaps share some of our experiences and thoughts on the day here.

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

Yes! Let's!

Pogo Pogo's picture

My daughter has offered to represent our family at the demo.

quizzical

this  daughter will too.

Slumberjack

Think I'll go rehearse.

quizzical

just starting to rehearse? i been all afternoon just about 20 mins to go before the dress rehearsal.

Slumberjack

By the Numbers

Harper wrote:
It will not happen under our government

Mulcair wrote:
Legalization would be a mistake, because the information that we have right now is that the marijuana that's on the market is extremely potent and can actually cause mental illness

NDPP

so can membership in the ndp..

Slumberjack

Well I'm not one to casually disregard new information.  Maybe they're getting it in-house.  It's well known with chronic alcohol addiction that a deterioration of the mind can occur over time, depending on the amounts consumed.  Not too many nowadays would support making alcohol illegal.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Mulcair wrote:

Legalization would be a mistake, because the information that we have right now is that the marijuana that's on the market is extremely potent and can actually cause mental illness

The RCMP has been using this stupid line for a decade now. If Mulcair knew anything about the subject he would understand the inherent lie in that statement.

Pot now (especially good ole BC Bud) is far more potent than the rag weed it is compared to from the 1960's. He is from Montreal has he never heard of black hash?  I mean give your head a shake most of us who still smoke pot never smoked shit weed we bought hash. Nepalese Tempal Balls, Lebanese kief and Afghan black were all popular in the late sixties and seventies. In the 80's black hash was super abundant because it was supplied by the CIA to provide arms to Afghan freedom fighters. The THC content of good bud is equivalent to the THC content of what we actually have always smoked because smoking lousy weed is like drinking watered down wine. 

I despair when I read things like this because frankly he should know better and instead is mouthing the War on Drugs rhetoric. Does he also support locking up anyone who grows pot for personal use?

 

Caissa

Actually Mulcair should be proposing legalization and a government monopoly. Excellent source of tax revenue.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Just like Washington State is proposing.  Maybe he should listen to people like these.  This not a left wing or right wing issue and he is on the wrong side.

Reuters wrote:

The group New Approach Washington submitted nearly 278,000 valid signatures for the measure, more than required to put it on the November ballot, David Ammons, a spokesman for the Washington Secretary of State's office, said in a statement.

The move comes as federal prosecutors have sought to crank up pressure on several mostly western states, including Washington, that have legalized medical marijuana even as cannibis remains classified as an illegal narcotic under federal law.

The proposal, if approved by voters, would allow marijuana sales to people 21 and older, permit state taxes to be collected on the drug, ban pot advertising and prohibit driving under the influence of cannabis.

Supporters of legalizing marijuana, who include acting Seattle city attorney Peter Holmes, say the federal prohibition on the drug has not curbed use and that it enriches drug cartels.

"This is the grown-up approach to regulating a relatively harmless drug," Holmes said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/28/us-marijuana-initiative-washin...

 

Vancouver Sun wrote:

In a fairly startling Saul-on-the-road-to-Damascus about-face, John McKay says it’s time to tax and regulate marijuana because it provides too much cash to gangsters and fuels too much violence.

“The criminal marijuana prohibition is a complete failure,” said McKay, who became a high-profile federal prosecutor after his 2001 appointment by president George W. Bush.

“The problem posed by the vast criminal marijuana black market is a threat to public safety both in the United States and Canada. It’s time to rethink our criminalization and prohibition policy.”

That’s quite a change in tune from the man who vigorously went after the world’s leading marijuana promoter as well as cross-border drug traffickers.

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The former prosecutor’s change of heart doesn’t help Emery, but his wife Jodie said she thought it would aid the burgeoning movement for drug-policy change.

She joined McKay, along with former B.C. attorney-general Geoff Plant, at a media conference Tuesday to emphasize the abject failure of the present approach.

“When we think of using law enforcement as a tool, we usually think it’s going to make the problem go away,” Plant said.

“When we talk about cannabis, the effect of law enforcement is to make the problem worse in almost every respect.”

He added that violence and organized crime concerns in the province have worsened since he left office in 2005.

The trio was brought together by Stop the Violence BC, a coalition of academic, legal, law enforcement and health experts out to overturn the law.

“The government’s own data shows young people have easier access to marijuana than alcohol or tobacco,” said Dr. Evan Wood, a founder of the group. If you doubt it, he suggested attending the annual 420 smoke-in at the Vancouver Art Gallery, being held Friday afternoon.

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Mulgrew+Emery+prosecutor+wants+legalize...

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Slumberjack

Over the years, several friends and acquaintences were sentenced to harsh jail terms for simple recreational possession of minute quantities.  I'd like to take a moment if I could to remember all who were deprived of their liberty for a personal choice that harmed no one.

Admittedly, some of those friends weren't as discreet as they should have been with their choices, given the nature of their work and surroundings.

milo204

we know why they'll never legalize pot, cause if more people stopped drinking and started getting high instead, people would spend more time thinking about what a crock of shit our system is, instead of going in to work on monday with a terrible hangover and a black eye...

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

I love the Reefer Man. Great video.  He can sure cut a rug.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D44pyeEvhcQ

 

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Fidel

Caissa wrote:

Actually Mulcair should be proposing legalization and a government monopoly. Excellent source of tax revenue.

 

Can't see it happening. Obama pretty much toe'd the party line on drugs at the OAS conference. 

The bottom line is that the Brits and CIA want to maintain their monopoly on illicit drugs in financing various covert black operations around the world. Legalize drugs and it would cut into illegal profits funnelled to various organized crime gangs and various political campaign war chests on the right. 

Wall Street and London banks have become somewhat reliant on laundering money from the drug trade and especially during economic downturns. They are still mad as hell at Fidel and the Cubans for putting the kibosh to drug mafia there.

It's a grey area of British "free trade theory".  I think it is a third rail issue the NDP won't be touching with a twenty foot pole any time soon. Meanwhile the phony and hypocritical war on drugs continues.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Fidel wrote:

It's a grey area of British "free trade theory".  I think it is a third rail issue the NDP won't be touching with a twenty foot pole any time soon. Meanwhile the phony and hypocritical war on drugs continues.

Yup the NDP is definitely in lock step with both the War on Drugs and the War on Terrorism.  Mulcair I guess doesn't get the fact that he is saying that a large part of the membership of the party he leads should be jailed.

What the hell is a Third Rail issue?

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Jacob Two-Two

The third rail on subway systems is the one that's electrified. You don't touch it.

The correct approach on marijuana is to remove all laws regarding it immediately. There is no more reason or justification for laws about weed than there is for laws about tomatoes, and less than there is for laws about poppies. There is no need for either a government industry or an illegal industry. Weed is super easy to grow. The only reason anyone buys it is because nobody wants to get caught growing. Remove all laws, do not regulate it at all, everyone starts growing in their spare closet, marijuana drug trade dies overnight, problem solved.

And the "weed is stronger now" canard is sad, easily-debunked nonsense. I had already figured that out back in high school, before I had ever touched the stuff. Of course, unlike the drug warriors I was interested in what the truth might be.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Mulcair's clarification is he doesn't want to send me to jail for having a joint.  Thanks for nothing. 

There is a third rail in this discussion if you are talking about a live connection that has the potential to harm humans.  If I get busted for growing my own I go to jail.  That to me is a live wire or third rail issue.

Does the potential to be incarcerated pale in comparison to the problems facing a political leader around the proper messaging to get himself elected. I hope that plays well for him in Upper and Lower Canada because I don't see it creating any kind of orange wave on the Salish Sea.

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

 

Weed and Stoner Food, Together at Last

 

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After three hours of consuming copious amounts of marijuana in carefully prepared dishes, I was perfectly high and perfectly full. It is with the memory of that feeling fresh in my mind that I am here to tell you what you already know: Legalizing pot would, in addition to engendering medical miracles and rendering moot a large sector of illegal-drug-related crimes, allow quantum leaps in the world of cooking. Maybe if we all pray really hard to Jah, pot will one day infiltrate snooty haute cuisine and local artisanal eateries alike, all over America. And I'll be able to say that I was there on day one. As I sat there and let the meal wind down, I thought, satiated and stoned, We are pioneers.

 

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

The fact that this particualr protest happens but once a year,makes for an incredible waste of time.

If there's anything to be learned from protests that actually worked,the marijuana protests and parades should be a daily thing...Or atleast every weekend and without break until the objectives are meant.

If large crowds of people were to have smoke-ins with acts of civil disobedience,maybe this movement would find some traction.

It would also be very effective that these protests be as peaceful as possible and a change of demographics..Less and less teenagers and more and more adults.

Slumberjack

It's more of a celebration than protest.

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

It only happens once a year? Oops.

Slumberjack

I think it's the culmination of everything that went before it.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

A one day protest/celebration isn't going to change a thing.

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

Then I shall continue my daily vigil. That reminds me...

Slumberjack

Is it too early to start the countdown?

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

I have to agree about hash...I never smoked pot until the early 1990's...I always smoked hash and some of that hash blew away any of the hydroponic stuff everyone smokes now.

In this respect,I'm very disappointed in Mulcair and the Liberal party is WAY more progressive on this issue.

Legalization is happening in the heartland of prohibition,the US and states that aren't legalizing it are decriminalizing it.

Canada will eventually get with the program...Sorry,Stevie.Frown

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Slumberjack

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

Yea.

abnormal

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

I wonder how this man is celebrating his birthday which falls on 420.

onlinediscountanvils

[url=http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/party+longer+fringe+event+thousands+de... Pot party no longer a fringe event as thousands descend on Parliament Hill[/url]

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the crowd smoked, sang, danced, cheered and screamed “vote” whenever asked what they could do change Canada’s marijuana laws.

Vote?! I want some of what they're smoking. Tongue out

Slumberjack

Well, clearly this just adds to the body of evidence categorizing marijuana as a hallucinogen. 

After a busy day in the kitchen preparing munchies, Saturday evening turned into a very pleasant and humorous celebration among friends and family, as we fully expected it would be.

Slumberjack

Bump. Puff, Puff, Pass.

NorthReport

Kinda sad!

Marijuana: Canada Falls Behind As Burgeoning Industry Hits New Highs

B.C. bud was once the green standard of marijuana.

It was so well-regarded in the early 2000s that dealers in the U.S. tried to pass off other varieties as Canadian to fetch premium prices. Weed from the west coast carried cachet for being particularly potent, with small time growers perfecting their product to maintain the reputation.

It was a time when Canada’s Liberal government flirted with decriminalization, and the Supreme Court of Canada ruled that access to medical marijuana must be legally available.

It was a ruling that could have swung the laboratory door open into a new world of research on the therapeutic uses of the controversial treatment for everything from glaucoma to Crohn’s disease to cancer.

But those high times are over.

The door toward more research has remained shut, thanks in part to a lack of federal funding for medical research, while other countries that allow patients access to medical marijuana have pushed into new medical frontiers with customization of strains for specific patients.

Now, as a new multibillion-dollar industry buds in Canada, some of this country’s licensed producers are leaning on the expertise cultivated in other countries to help get their operations off the ground.

 


http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/04/20/medical-marijuana-canada-world_n...

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Fuck Stephen Harper and his modern temperance movement...Fuck you.

arielc

Slumberjack wrote:

By the Numbers

Harper wrote:
It will not happen under our government

Mulcair wrote:
Legalization would be a mistake, because the information that we have right now is that the marijuana that's on the market is extremely potent and can actually cause mental illness

Hasn't done his homework. That research applies to adolescents with family history of certain mental illness. It wouldn't be affected by legalization for adults anyway.
If this is Mulcair trying to distinguish himself from Trudeau's position, that's just stupid politics, not good governance.
I was hopeful for the NDP in the next election. Now, not so much.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

The Liberals are way more progressive about this issue than the NDP.

wage zombie

A friend of mine grew up in Florida in the 90s.  "BC Bud" was the most costly, but always available and highly regarded.

With Colorado and Washington legalizing, BC is losing a major chunk of its market in one of its biggest industries.

The price of weed has fallen 20% in BC in the last 2 years.

 

Slumberjack

It's 420 somewhere.  Happy 420 everyone!

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