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Anarchy 101
July 7, 2010 - 2:34pm
For those who describe themselves as anarchists, I thought a discussion might be of interest surrounding belief systems, variations of Anarchist sentiments, and the apparent divergence when it comes to aims and tactics, the 101s as it were, according to the respective adherents.
As a study guide, I'll post this link that I posted in another, now closed, thead.
http://crimethinc.com/texts/recentfeatures/toronto2.php
It is a supposed anarchist site with some possible details on how anarchists organized (is that an oxymoron?) themselves for the Toronto G20 summit.
There are also links there to what are suppose to be other anarchist (and regular activists) web sites ... this could just be a front for cops trying to justify their handy work, but either way it is an interesting read, and maybe something that other activists needs to investigate to determine if these are legitimate groups, and figure out ways to use their own organization methods to keep out of their way.
This thread might have the hallmark of an oxymoron, were it not for the apparent denunciations of late from self described anarchists regarding activist tactics re: the G20 and RBC. Apparently there's a little ambiguity that might be worth exploring.
I keep this link in my profile so people can read the words of one of my favourite political writers.
http://flag.blackened.net/daver/anarchism/kropotkin/index.html
As I pointed out in another thread the newest book on Emma goldman has a great historical anaylsis of the varying strains of anarchy in the early twentieth centurty.
http://blackrosebooks.com/products/view/EMMA+GOLDMAN,+Still+Dangerous/32437
A history of anarchists - and their enemies
via rabble.ca editor Cathryn Atkinson
Mutual aid and social justice are the twin towers of anarchy in my opinion. I found this an interesting article on his theory of mutual aid.
http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/dward/classes/Anarchy/finalprojects/brooksfinal.html
im the type of anarchist who thinks the surest way to contradict your principles and ideals is to make the mistake of having them in the first place...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_Without_Principle
Ok, that sounds like fun. Lets continue this discussion on the basis of the principle of not referring to principles. You start...
-_-
Sadly, Monty is no longer with us.
Meh. Why you do that? I thought he was going to challenge some comfort zones, or is he a repeat offender or something? I was personally interested in where he was going with all this.
Yeah, the principle of having no principles. How do you do that?
Nope. Anarchy is order.
Yeah, Cueball, it had nothing to do with this thread--I only let you know here because I know you hoped for a response. Check out some of (i.e. any) of the other threads he particpated in for the reasons why.
Suffice it to say you would have been disappointed in any event.
I did read the other threads, which is what left me confused as to where he was going with all this. I thought it would be cool to see where it all ended up, after he had had some time to express more of his core thesis.
Oh well.... what's done is done...
I clicked on his profile and was denied access.
Yup. Cool to come to the feminism forum, go to a thread about rape that has been specifically framed requesting comment from feminist women, and post that, as a male, you are a pussy. Cool. Interesting. Really challenging those comfort zones.
Because, you know, we're hearing way too much from women on this board. It's time for guys to speak up!
I dig Emma Goldman?
Sorry, al-Qa'bong, that was in response to Cueball. I hope you dig Emma Goldman.
Ahh well, I was asked not to post in the F forum by a couple of established Babblers some time back, so I don't visit there either, really. So, perhaps he should have been banned apropos to those comments, as opposed to these.
Right. But I read everything he wrote other than what appeared in the FF, so you can understand why I didn't understand what was going on. CF's reference to other statements was vague and didn't indicate the FF. I didn't even know that he had posted in that forum because it did not appear in the TAT, since others posted after he did, so you can understand why I could not find the offending comments.
Are we having an argument for the sake of it?
At this point a good anarchist would encourage some mutual aid.
Uh, to that end, howzabout we walk away from this, since nobody here encourages or supports what writer pointed out in the FF, and get back to discussing what we think about anarchism?
Agreed!
How big a tent is Anarchism? Does being in the tent mean you must believe in the removal of the state?
Does the Mondragon movement fit?
Do co-ops and credit unions fit?
If those things don't fit what do we call the philosophies underlying them?
Anarchism is right up my alley, in terms of ending the corporate-capitalist rule we are presently trapped in.
One solution to the corporate-capitalist power grab is community power, which anarchists appreciate. Within a community, anyone who aquires too much wealth or material goods should be ostrasized. Embarrass your piggy neighbor into giving up their ill-gotten gains.
Community energy production, Community produced food, Community funding of schools and hospitals and social safety nets...
The power structure is upside down, as it exists today. Communities should have the most power, then the Provinces, and finally the Federal government [should not be able to dictate to communities].
I might become an anarchist yet, as my understanding of it increases. Thanks for starting this thread [I was just thinking about anarchy today, that they cant possibly believe that "no government" is a good idea... but perhaps I am wrong].
No government does not mean no governance. Anarchy as a theory and philosophy is all about freedom of association and democracy, unlike our FPTP system that was specifically designed to allow the "Lords" to continue to rule behind a democratic facade. When a worker has no democratic control over their livelihood any pseudo democratic rights granted by the ruling elite are mere illusion, just smoke and mirrors with greedy little men behind the curtain.
i agree, to me Anarchism is just the extension of democracy to all forms of control be it public or private. It's not even really "no government", which every one thinks means simply no organization in society. It's just that instead of a "government" like the one we have now, it would be a system of policies and rules that we are free and more importantly ABLE to change according to the needs at the time, and free to participate in regardless of social position or wealth.
i.e The top 100 CEO's would have no more sway over economic decisions than their employees, as it is now their employees have virtually no input and the leaders get private off the record meetings with finance ministers who then sign investors rights agreements like NAFTA and CETA with no public input.
plus no private domination of media would mean actual information not propaganda, rational discussion, and freer debate which would result in a public that actually is informed and can make better decisions and actually be involved.
I don't believe any kind of anarchist society is achievable. In fact, I believe any such conception is of anarchism; particularly modern anarchism is antithetical to the creed. Fundamentally, it is a theoretical analysis used for critiquing the function of governance and the state. Erecting of any kind government (or even a concrete social order) in its name is contrary to its mandate.
However, it does provide a way of looking at the world that provides a litmus test for looking at how things are ordered, and making improvements thereof. Anarchism is fundamentally dynamic and immediate and allows persons and collectives a way of understanding power, and overcoming power as it manifests itself against them.
It is about process. Most ideologies pose themselves as constructing a future order of social relations as an ultimate end goal, however, the achievement of those goals usually entails acquiring the power that is the source of the repression the revolutionists reject, whereas anarchism seeks to disassemble power, itself, theirs and ours.
On a personal level it is about how one positions oneself in resistance to power in society, even when one accepts the manifestation of that power, things like government, social mores, social organization, oppressive forces, such as the police, or annoying neighbors.
Traditional ideologies generally end up in the same cul de sac, because at some point they will assert the justification of any action under the terms of the "ends justifying the means". However, in an anarchist critique, one sees that the means themselves, the process, is the end object: "the end is the means".
At the end of the day, I would probably have to say that I am politically akin to a socialist who makes his analysis of socialism through the lens of an anarchist critique of power.
Excellent post Cue.
I think that workers can join together into syndicates and if nurtured could provide at least a bit of an off setting balance to international capital at the local level. I would love to see a dedicated capital pool for small worker owned businesses. It is all about access to capital in the final analysis. If our social democratic allies would promote a green fund based on those kinds of principles, similar to the BC NDP's proposed fund but more dedicated, it could provide the seed money to grow a new economy from within. This fund of course would be available to all family businesses that met whatever democratic worker control criteria that was in place for the fund.
One of the best writers of the Anarchist tradion, often forgotten about in traditional left wing circles, because his writing benefits none of the mainstream tendencies of left or right wing ideologies: Memoirs of A Revolutionary -- Victor Serge. If one wants to get a birds eye view of an anarchist critique of socialist authoritarianism, from inside the state structure of the emerging Soviet Union, right through the purges, this is it.
He wrote a number of great novels as well.