Boycott Israel (part 2)

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SSC, that's what a sports boycott is. Disagreeing with this example means disagreeing with the whole tactic. Maybe you do, but it's not about one person, it's about whether sports events should be subject to the boycott.

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no waving Hamas flags,

Why not?

In another thread someone discussed a Naomi Klien talk where she spoke about who frames the debate. Here is a good example. SSC is lecturing those opposed to Apartheid Israel on acceptable methods of protest. The jist is you can protest all you want, as long as it is ineffective and completely inoffensive to those whom you are protesting.

Star Spangled C...

I'm commenting on what might reasonable people might actually consider "effective" and I think most people would be put off by seeing people waving the flags of organizations like Hamas and hezbollah, thus rendering such an action "ineffective."

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"Reasonable people" and other fantasies of subjective viewpoint. I thought you were some kind of "scientist".

"Framing" is dead on. Frame jobs such has creating a definition of anti-semitism that includes any criticism of Israel, whatsoever.

Sung to the tune of "Rah! Rah! Rasputin" by Bonnie M.

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"Rah! Rah! Nasrallah! leader of the Hexbollah! Now there was a cat whose beard was long!"

Star Spangled C...

Answer this question honestly, Cueball: Do you consider Hamas to be an "anti-Semitic" organization?

If you answer yes, then my follow up would be: Is it an "effective" tactic to wave the flags of anti-Semitic organizations at rallies? Does this help win people over to the cause? Or does this turn people off from what might otherwise be a compelling message? If people are waving the flag of anti-Semitic organizations, could "reasonable people" possibly conclude that they, themselves, might be anti-semitic?

Star Spangled C...

Are they a "progressive" organization with which you'd be proud to be affiliated? Do they support equal rights for women? Basic human rights for gays? Can you not honestly see why an average canadian not quite sure where they stand might be turned off by seeing the flags of such an organization and question the motivations of the people who wave such flags?

Cueball Cueball's picture

No. I don't. No more than I think that Zionism is anti-Arab. So, if you are going to ban Hamas flags (is there such a thing) we might as well ban the Israeli one too.

 Short of that we could just make up posters with the Star of David, using the signature blue colour used in the Israeli flag, and put a red line in a circle over it.

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Looking forward to Benjamin Netanyahu's affirmation of his support for gay right in Israel, lover.

Star Spangled C...

I can't say that I'm super familiar with netenyahu's social policies but my understanding was that he was quite secular. I know there was a scandal right before the election when a paper published a picture of him eating in a non-kosher restaurants on shabbos.

Star Spangled C...

I can't say that I'm super familiar with netenyahu's social policies but my understanding was that he was quite secular. I know there was a scandal right before the election when a paper published a picture of him eating in a non-kosher restaurants on shabbos.

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For someone criticizing Hamas' social policies, you'd think they knew about Likud's.

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So your answer to the question "Is Netanyahu homphobic?" is that "he eats non-Kosher food"?

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Did you know that the previously disolved Palestinian parliment actually had more female MP's from the Hamas slate than those from Fatah, and that more women voted for Hamas than Fatah, and that his parliment had similar numbers of women MP's as does the Israeli Knesset?

Here is what one of those hindbound religious freakazoid Female Hamas members of parliment had to say upon being elected:

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"A lot of things need to change," she said. "Women in Gaza and the West Bank should be given complete rights. Some women and girls are made to marry someone they don't want to marry. This is not in our religion, it's our tradition. In our religion, a woman has a right to choose.

"As a woman and an MP, there are areas I want to concentrate on but that does not mean we have forgotten our struggle for our homeland, and preparing our children to die when the homeland calls for it."

Women MPs vow to change face of Hamas

Good thing we put an end to her political career by supporting blockade, enforcement of sanctions and the withdrawal of support funding for the PA and so encouraged Mamoud Abbas to exceed his presidential authority by disolving the parliment.

A gratudate of the crazed Islamic nutzo "Islamic Univeristy of Gaza" we can be thankful that this institution has ceased to educate women in such backward ideas, since it was recently blown up by the forces of secular enlightenment.

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21% of Israeli exporters have been directly affected by the boycott movement since the beginning of 2009. So reports today (29 March) The Marker, a Hebrew-language economic newspaper.

This number is based on a poll of 90 Israeli exporters in fields such as high tech, metals, construction materials, chemistry, textile and foods. The poll was conducted in January-February 2009 by the Israeli Union of Industrialists.

[url=Source[/url]">http://www.alternativenews.org/content/view/1665/104/][=mediumblue]...

St. Paul's Prog...

Star Spangled Canadian wrote:
If you answer yes, then my follow up would be: Is it an "effective" tactic to wave the flags of anti-Semitic organizations at rallies? Does this help win people over to the cause? Or does this turn people off from what might otherwise be a compelling message? If people are waving the flag of anti-Semitic organizations, could "reasonable people" possibly conclude that they, themselves, might be anti-semitic?

Yes, a lot of people are turned off by these protests even if they disagree with Israeli policies.  That's why you don't see Peace Now at these rallies, for instance.  

M. Spector M. Spector's picture

St. Paul's Progressive wrote:

Yes, a lot of people are turned off by these protests even if they disagree with Israeli policies.  That's why you don't see Peace Now at these rallies, for instance.

It's nothing to do with the fact that Peace Now is a Zionist organization and a member of Canadian Jewish Congress, of course!

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[url=Naomi">http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/4311/to_boycott_israel...or_not/][co... Klein, in a debate with Rabbi Arthur Waskow on the BDS strategy:[/url]

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I support the BDS strategy for Israel because it will work again, and it will work because it cuts to the heart of something that is so important to so many Israelis. And that is the idea of normalcy, the idea that Israel is really an honorary adjunct to North America and Europe - even though it happens to be located in the Middle East.

At the moment, it is possible to lead a very comfortable, very secure, very cosmopolitan life in most parts of Israel-despite the fact that Israel is at war with neighbors. I don't think Israel has a right to simultaneously rain bombs and missiles on Gaza, to attack Lebanon in 2006, to massively expand the settlements, and also have this state of normalcy within its borders. For justice to come, the status quo will have to first become uncomfortable.

When concerts are canceled in Tel Aviv, when tourists don't come to Israel, then, I believe, many Israelis will start putting pressure on their political leaders to finally negotiate a lasting peace. So I don't buy the argument that they'll just feel isolated and become more right wing. The threat of isolation can be a very powerful tool for progressive change in a country like Israel.

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[url=http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/06/26-2]Naomi Klein takes the BDS campaign to the West Bank[/url]

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"It's an extraordinarily important part of Israel's identity to be able to have the illusion of Western normalcy," the Canadian writer and activist said.

"When that is threatened, when the rock concerts don't come, when the symphonies don't come, when a film you really want to see doesn't play at the Jerusalem film festival . . . then it starts to threaten the very idea of what the Israeli state is."

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She pointed out that her visit coincided with [url=http://www.rabble.ca/news/2009/06/canadian-companies-face-legal-action-s... hearings in Quebec[/url] in a case where the villagers of Bilin are suing two Canadian companies, accusing them of illegally building and selling homes to Israelis on land that belongs to the village.

The plaintiffs claim that by building in the Jewish settlement of Modiin Illit, near Bilin, Green Park International and Green Mount International are in violation of international laws that prohibit an occupying power from transferring some of its population to the lands it occupies.

"I'm hoping and praying that Canadian courts will bring some justice to the people of Bilin," Klein said.

NDPP

Here's another reason to Boycott Israel and for our US friends to do the same - seems the mainstream media dome of silence has descended on the outrageous Israeli piracy against the 'Spirit of Humanity' carrying humanitarian aid for Gaza and the holding of activists including Cynthia Mckinney. Where are the Delta force sharpshooters now?

Another Example of US Censorship of Mainstream Media:

http://liberalpro.blogspot.com/2009/07/another-example-of-us-censorship-...

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