Boycott / Sanction Saudi Arabia!

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Boycott / Sanction Saudi Arabia!

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  • Exports and finances terrorism.
  • Enslaves women.
  • Executes LGBTQ people.
  • Commits aggression against neighbouring countries.
  • Tortures and murders dissidents, common criminals, people.
  • Acts as military proxy and gendarme for western imperialism.

It's a bad place. Canadians should lead an international campaign to isolate it. We should set the example by launching our own boycott and sanctions. And we should challenge political parties, social movements, etc. to take up the call.

And this:

And maybe:

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

I agree very much. Israel is certainly not the only place to boycott. Funny that our Dear Leader (s) is in bed with both. Tells you a lot about Canadian 'values',eh?

voice of the damned

What are the end goals of this boycott? Because such actions usually have clearly stated demands in mind, the idea being that, once those demands have been met, the boycott comes to an end. In the case of South Africa, for example, the goal was to end racial segragation, and bring about multiracial elections.

So, in all sincerity, what exactly is it that we are asking the Saudi government to do here?

 

 

 

 

Unionist

voice of the damned wrote:

So, in all sincerity, what exactly is it that we are asking the Saudi government to do here?

Actually, I started this in another thread with two aims:

1. Suggest one (out of many) ways that Mulcair could deflect the niqab frenzy and the "save Canada from terrorism" ploy, while simultaneously repositioning Canadian foreign and trade and arms policy in a better direction (recall the asshole from Unifor saying they had advised Mulcair to keep the Saudi arms issue "under wraps").

2. See if I could create some internet memes.

Obviously my success has been limited.

As for what we're asking the Saudi government to do? Hadn't got there yet, but here's some ideas:

1. Stop this shit:

  • Exports and finances terrorism.
  • Enslaves women.
  • Executes LGBTQ people.
  • Commits aggression against neighbouring countries.
  • Tortures and murders dissidents, common criminals, people.
  • Acts as military proxy and gendarme for western imperialism.

2. Abdicate and call for the U.N. to run the kingdom for a few years while conditions for fair elections could develop.

3. Just f**k off and die.

 

lagatta

No, I think it is brilliant. It also runs counter to the silliness that those advocating BDS against Israel are anti-Semitic (in the anti-Jewish sense; obviously Saudis are also Semites).

And also: keep it in the ground.

Ideas for electric and steam-powered motor vehicles have been around for over a century, by the way. The petroleum industry has lobbied long and hard against them.

Unionist

Go. For. It.

Unionist

[url=http://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/oct/06/jailed-saudi-blogger-raif-b... Saudi blogger Raif Badawi named co-winner of PEN Pinter prize[/url]

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Jimmy Wales, the co-founder of Wikipedia, accepted the award in London on behalf of the Badawi family. In his speech he particularly criticised the British government for its close links to the Saudi regime.

He said: “The Foreign Office has condemned Raif Badawi’s sentence, but said that it would be ‘interfering’ for the government to comment on Saudi’s judicial process. Foreign Office minister Baroness Anelay has even said that ‘the Saudi government in these respects have the support of the vast majority of the Saudi population’. One wonders how she knows, when the price for expressing what you think in Saudi Arabia is so very high, as Raif Badawi is aware.”

Wales added: “Saudi Arabia is the UK’s biggest trading partner in the region. It is time for the government to show moral leadership, to demonstrate that its support for human rights is more than rhetoric and to use the very considerable influence it has on the regime and win the freedom of Raif Badawi and all other political prisoners of conscience.”

Badawi’s plight is a result of him setting up a website in 2012 called Saudi Liberal Network, which challenged the government. In May 2014 Badawi was fined 1m riyals (£175,000), jailed for 10 years and sentenced to 1,000 lashes to be given 50 at a time.

NDPP

Saudi-Led Airstrike Kills 15, Injures Dozens at Yemeni Wedding (and podcast)

https://www.rt.com/news/317969-saudi-strike-yemen-wedding/

"...It was the second wedding targeted in two weeks. The strikes hit the home as the brides were arriving at the ceremony according to witnesses. The hit on the wedding comes just a day after Saudi-led coalition helicopters reportedly killed more than 30 people, mostly civilians in a northern Yemeni village."

The world's richest country makes war on one of the world's poorest..

NDPP

'Cameron Is A Dad Too': Dad of Saudi Awaiting Crucifixion Appeals for PM's Help

https://www.rt.com/uk/318104-saudi-execution-appeal-cameron/

"My son is completely innocent. He has denied all accusations against him and said so in court. My son is a peaceful man. They forced him to sign a confession for a crime he never committed."

 

Why is the US Aiding and Enabling Saudi Arabia's Genocidal War in Yemen?

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/10/08/why-is-the-us-aiding-and-enabling...

"Yemen and its people are being offered up as a kind of sacrifice for Saudi Arabia's and the GCC's support for the nuclear arms deal with Iran. Most importantly, US support for Saudi Arabia's war has ensured a steady stream of new weapons orders.

US-based arms manufacturers have sold 8 Billion USD worth of weapons to Saudi Arabia since it launched 'Operation Decisive Storm' six months ago. This adds almost ten percent to the 90.4 Billion USD worth of weapons that US arms manufacturers have sold to Saudi Arabia since President Obama was elected.

In exchange for tepid Saudi support for the nuclear arms deal with Iran, the US has turned a blind eye to what can only be called state-sanctioned genocide in Yemen."

NDPP

Saudi Arabia Hires Edelman & The Podesta Group

http://everything-pr.com/saudi-arabia-edelman/68391/

NDPP

Lockheed-Martin, Boeing Rally Around Saudi Arabia

http://interc.pt/1kAdpxn

"Wave off humanitarian concerns.."

 

BBC Protects Saudi Arabia

http://interc.pt/1kHshtP

"Incredibly dishonest and biased editing.."

 

NDPP

Canada's Complicity in the Saudi-Yemen War

http://rabble.ca/news/2015/05/canadas-complicity-saudi-yemen-war

"...Canada supports the military actions by Saudi Arabia and its Gulf Cooperation Council partners and others..." Min Foreign Affairs

NDPP

George Galloway's Call-In Show, Comment (and vid)

http://www.presstv.com/Video/2015/10/30/435563/Saudi-Arabia-Yemen-Hajj-s...

What does Saudi Arabia know about respect? People have taken to the streets in Saudi Arabia's eastern province to denounce a death sentence by the country's top court against the prominent Shia cleric, Sheikh al Nimr

Meanwhile, the Saudi bombing of civilian areas in Yemen and most recently a hospital run by MSF has been widely condemned..."

Unionist

lagatta wrote:

No, I think it is brilliant.

Thank you. Now how do we turn this into a movement?

 

autoworker autoworker's picture

Would this boycott and divestment include the $15 billion defense contract for armoured vehicles, built by Unifor members, in London, Ontario?

Unionist

autoworker wrote:
Would this boycott and divestment include the $15 billion defense contract for armoured vehicles, built by Unifor members, in London, Ontario?

Yes, of course. In fact, that's the issue which triggered this call - a Unifor regional official being quoted in the media claiming they had asked Tom Mulcair to keep the question of arms sales to Saudi Arabia "under wraps".

NDPP

Robert Fisk: Saudi Prince Busted With 40 Suitcases of Drugs: 'He Will Be Freed - That I Can Promise You.'

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/33247-robert-fisk-saudi-p...

"The Prince has been busted."

 

Captagon

http://themillenniumreport.com/2015/10/captagon-tons-of-amphetamine-drug...

"Tons of amphetamine drugs smuggled into Syria to fuel ISIS terrorism."

Paladin1

We need to get a petition going on charnge.org

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

Not quarrelling with the intent here, but a consumer boycott of Saudi Arabia is going to be kind of tough.  Not because we can't live without their export products, but because other than crude oil, there really aren't any.  I think they might export some dates, or something like that.

Unionist

Mr. Magoo wrote:

Not quarrelling with the intent here, but a consumer boycott of Saudi Arabia is going to be kind of tough.  Not because we can't live without their export products, but because other than crude oil, there really aren't any.  I think they might export some dates, or something like that.

Sanctions, Magoo, sanctions. We can strangle, starve, and stiff the bastards, with a wee bit of international cooperation. And people aren't just consumers - they're workers, and voters, and many other things. There are more ways to bring rogues to heel than by just not buying their products. Though telling them to shove their oil wouldn't be an insignificant start.

Anyway, my campaign is starting to be picked up by others:

[url=http://www.cbc.ca/radio/thesundayedition/trading-with-saudi-arabia-co-ho... Enright: Should Canada do business with Saudi Arabia?[/url]

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It is quite possible that Saudi Arabia will soon replace the United States as Canada's largest arms customer, with deals over the next few years running into the billions. Under Canadian law, the Department of Foreign Affairs is supposed to carry out a human rights assessment of any country with a dubious record before trade deals are concluded. But according to the Globe and Mail, no such assessment of Saudi Arabia has been done over the past two years, even while the multi-billion dollar trade deal was being negotiated. Foreign affairs officials apparently could offer no reason as to why they were issuing export permits without the human rights assessment. Stephen Harper's government called the Saudi contract a major success which over the next decade or so would provide three thousand manufacturing jobs.

Saudi Arabia is a country where forced marriage of girls under 15 is permissible. Where a woman may not wear a car seat belt because it might outline her body. Where conversion to another religion is punishable by death. 

So far this year, the regime has beheaded more than 102 people. It is now advertising for more executioners to deal with the increasing workload. 

Perhaps someone in our new government could slip our new Foreign Affairs Minister Stephane Dion a piece of paper with a question on it: 

Do we really want to do business with these  people?

Bravo, Michael!

lagatta

An article by Algerian journalist Kamel Daoud about the links between Saudi Arabia and Daesh. The New York Times' translation and also the original French version.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/21/opinion/saudi-arabia-an-isis-that-has-...

DimmedDiamond

Purpose of a boycott/sanction, as I see it:

Impoverish citizens and/or corporations and/or ruling elite so they themselves will take action to force the government to meet demands of the people enacting the boycott.

Issues:

It will be easy to convince ordinary citizens to target the Saudi government, but

1.  How many products are made in Saudi Arabia that are sold in Canada? Will a boycott have any impact at all?

2.  How much say do Saudi producers / businesses have in the “non elected, hereditary” Saudi government?

3.  How do you identify these products? What if these goods are mainly manufactured in other countries with materials from Saudi Arabia?

 

The largest way Saudi Arabia benefits from Canada is through military contracts via Canadian (and Canadian related) corporations / politicians, etc.

The best way to hold Saudi Arabian government accountable, and to discourage them from funding and carrying out wars, coups, sexism, etc, is to hold OUR politicians/corporations accountable.

 

IDEA. Create a databse of the following:

1.  List crimes of Saudi Arabia. Publicize them.

2.  List Canadian politicians / corporations that aid SA in said crimes (weapons contracts, logistics, UN votes, NATO votes, etc). List Canadian politicians / corporations that enrich SA (construction contracts, crafting international laws, etc).

3.  List elections and districts relating to these politicians seeking re-election. Coordinate and prevent them from getting any power.

4.  List products, sponsors relating to these corporations – to make it costly for them to aid SA.

5.  List speaking events, book deals, appearances, anything that gives money to these politicians / lobbyists. Boycott them.

6. TALK TO LAYWERS YOU KNOW. FIND LAWYERS ONLINE. FIND ANY ORGANIZATION WHERE WE CAN CONTACT IN ORDER TO CHARGE/FINE OUR POLITICIANS/CORPORATIONS FOR AIDING IN MASS MURDER/POVERTY VIA THE SAUDI GOVERNMENT.

 

I see these steps (1 to 6) as being listed from least effective to most effective. But baby steps. Do what you can. We can use the Rabble forums to create this database. Or maybe members here can offer other sites/forums where creating this database would be better suited?

NDPP

The Saudi Cables

https://www.wikileaks.org/saudi-cables/doc110212.html

"Over half a million cables and other documents from the Saudi Foreign Ministry."

NDPP

Black Friday Saudi Style: Riyadh to Behead More Than 50 People

https://www.rt.com/news/323615-saudi-arabia-50-executions

"Saudi Arabia is planning to execute more than 50 people in a single day. The Saudi plan has been slammed by Amnesty, which said that executing dozens of people in a single day would mark a dizzying descent to yet another outrageous low for Saudi Arabia..."

NDPP

Robert Parry: Hitting Saudi Arabia Where It Hurts

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/33735-hitting-saudi-arabi...

"Financial sanctions on Saudi Arabia might help finally shut down the covert supply of money and arms to Al Qaeda and the Islamic State..."

swallow

Needs targeted sanctions. First, an arms embrago - Canada can do that easily and now. Second, the sort of sanctions imposed on leaders of other states - restrict their access to top hotels and international conferences, their Swiss bank accounts, their ease of movement into other countries, etc. Sanctions that target the ruling elites, not the people, and impoverish nobody.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Great suggestions Swallow but I suspect that Trudeau is not about to apply sanctions to NATO's gangster bankers.

iyraste1313

re the database idea...I wish to wholeheartedly congratulate you for your suggestions, and await further ones!

My only suggestion so far has been to focus on the oil companies, playing so critical a role in the States through their mercenary forces......but what to do to be effective? For the time being at least, we must share our strategies within our own activist communities!

lagatta

I'm also thinking of professionals such as the current premier of Québec, who worked for years as a surgeon in KSA. No, of course I'm not calling for retroactive sanctions against anyone (though there is the question of tax avoidance) but is there any way a democratic government can control this?

Paladin1

swallow wrote:

Needs targeted sanctions. First, an arms embrago - Canada can do that easily and now. Second, the sort of sanctions imposed on leaders of other states - restrict their access to top hotels and international conferences, their Swiss bank accounts, their ease of movement into other countries, etc. Sanctions that target the ruling elites, not the people, and impoverish nobody.

 

Canadian made firearms which have been sold to Saudi Arabia have been found in possession of some pretty bad people including Boko Haram.

iyraste1313

......Canada can do that easily and now......

again I must repeat...forget about Canada as an independent actor.....targetted sanctions must come from the base! us! Through our own boycott strategies!
We must come to accept the fact that Canada is a hijacked country, out of our control, through the hijacking of its political and economic and cultural mainstream institutions!

DimmedDiamond

I think I made a good case why direct action by Canadian citizens will not accomplish anything, and is completely impossible (because there’s no way of doing it).

But indirect action by Canadian citizens has a good chance of working.

The main actors (within our own country) that promote and enrich the Saudi Arabian government and it’s policies are certain 1. Politicians 2. Organizations (alliances, think tanks, lobbyists, media, etc) 3. Corporations.

You’ll find these same 3 groups in other countries too., doing the same thing.

To hold Saudi Arabia accountable is only possible by holding our Politicians, Organizations, and Corporations accountable. My earlier post was an attempt to give a detailed plan on how to hold these groups accountable. It was something defined, and do able. It’s something I personally am trying to make happen.

Citizens take control of “Canada” and Canada can withhold support, or force itself on Saudi Arabia.

Citizens > Canada > Saudi Arabia. We can’t directly hold SA accountable, but we can indirectly via our country.

NOTE. Any problem, domestically, or internationally, as I see it, can be solved by holding those 3 groups accountable.

What's easier than making a list of people supporting Saudi Arabia, and listing where those people get elected, where they get their money, and then convincing people not to vote for those specific people and not to not buy or donate to those specific people? That's a do able plan. We need specific people to focus on.

swallow

Paladin1 wrote:

swallow wrote:

Needs targeted sanctions. First, an arms embrago - Canada can do that easily and now. Second, the sort of sanctions imposed on leaders of other states - restrict their access to top hotels and international conferences, their Swiss bank accounts, their ease of movement into other countries, etc. Sanctions that target the ruling elites, not the people, and impoverish nobody.

 

Canadian made firearms which have been sold to Saudi Arabia have been found in possession of some pretty bad people including Boko Haram.

And bad people including the Saudi government! But yes, you have identified anotehr reason not to sell arms to the Saudi regime, for sure. 

iyraste1313

We need specific people to focus on....

I assume what you mean here is specific organizations?

Which think tanks, which organizations....go after their charitable status, arrange boycotts? Charge them?

Yes specific names and forms of support would be useful...thank you for your activist approach, something sorely missing in these threads!!

NDPP

German Intel Warns Saudi Arabia is Shifting To 'Impulsive Interventionist Policy'

https://www.rt.com/news/324574-bnd-warns-saudi-arabia/

"In a rare case, German foreign intelligence BND warns that Saudi Arabia, one of the West's closest allies, is tempted to play a destabilizing role in the Middle East, pursuing its 'increasingly aggressive foreign policy.'

Germany's Federal Security Service (BND) has issued a policy paper that outlines the immediate risks coming from Saudi Arabia's strong desire to become a dominant power in the Middle East, according to Der Spiegel's story.

The memo, widely quoted by Germany's top newspapers, says the 'increasingly offensive foreign policy' has come in since the new Saudi king, Salman bin Aboulaziz was crowned in Jan 2015. It reportedly says internal power struggles in the royal family and the ambition to unilaterally rule the whole region threaten to make the key Western ally a frequent source of instability in the Arab world.

Within Saudi ruling circles, the BND singles out the king's son, deputy crown prince and defense minister Mohammad bin Salman Al Saud as among those pushing for a new, far more aggressive and dangerous course, which explains the emerging threats coming from the new Saudi Arabian regime.

In Syria, it is a top priority for Saudi Arabia's new royal family to make President Bashar Assad go, along with adding fuel to the ongoing Syrian war, according to BND's assessment."

NDPP

dp

josh

Tempted to be a destabilizing force? It has been one for a while now.

Pondering

DimmedDiamond wrote:
I think I made a good case why direct action by Canadian citizens will not accomplish anything, and is completely impossible (because there’s no way of doing it).

The environmental movement has succeeded in stopping all new pipelines from the oil sands against the will of a majority Harper government and the most powerful multi-national corporations on Earth.

We do live in a democracy. Why has the enviromental movement been so successful in stopping them? Why wasn't Harper able to push them through?

I posted a link to an article about environmental groups making some agreement with the Alberta NDP and oil companies to not oppose getting Alberta oil to market in exchange for a high hard cap on emissions that still leads to a radical increase.

I don't think they understand. The environmental groups can make all the deals they want. There is no "whipped vote". It is the people inhabiting the land along the pipelines that are objecting. They aren't going to just give up. Even if there were no such thing as climate change we still wouldn't want massive amounts of oil traveling through our communities and threatening our major waterways. Climate change just helps broaden support beyond the communities that are directly impacted. There is no left/right divide on this issue.

It is not at all impossible for Canadians to force the government to our collective will.

lagatta

Former student leader Gabriel Nadeau-Dubois speaks out against the counterproductive "war on terror" and speaks of the need to cut of the Daesh supply of money and arms.

https://ricochet.media/en/776/proposal-to-wage-war-better-after-paris-at...

There are alternatives to yet another military intervention by the West. Since the events in Paris, many experts have been saying that the way to stop ISIS is to cut off its supply of money and arms. It should be possible through diplomacy to put pressure on those who are directly or indirectly arming or financing this terrorist group.

 

 

NDPP

Why Aren't We Looking Into the Saudi Role in San Bernardino Attack   -    by Neil Macdonald

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/saudi-arabia-radicalization-neil-macdonald-...

"Shooter Tashfeen Malik was radicalized in Saudi Arabia, her Pakistani family said..."

Unionist

NDPP wrote:

Why Aren't We Looking Into the Saudi Role in San Bernardino Attack   -    by Neil Macdonald

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/saudi-arabia-radicalization-neil-macdonald-...

"Shooter Tashfeen Malik was radicalized in Saudi Arabia, her Pakistani family said..."

Thanks for that, NDPP. Saudi Arabia is the demon that no one dares talk about - except Québec Solidaire, as a matter of fact. Good for Neil Macdonald.

 

lagatta

Yes, and Gabriel Nadeau-Dubois basically said the same thing. 

NDPP

Saudi Bombs Unlawfully Targeting Yemen Schools - Amnesty (and vid)

https://www.rt.com/uk/325621-yemen-schools-airstrikes-amnesty/

"Saudi Arabian airstrikes against Houthi rebels in Yemen have deliberately targeted schools, killing students and making education impossible for many children, a new report from AI suggests. During the current conflict, 5,000 people have died and 27,500 have been injured. Amnesty says UK and US companies are complicit in the illegality of the airstrikes as both countries sell weapons to Saudi Arabia..."

'Canada supports the military actions by Saudi Arabia, its GCC allies and others to defend Saudi Arabia's borders. Canada continues to stand by the Yemeni people during this difficult and uncertain time.' - Foreign Affairs Canada, March 2015

 

John Kiriakou: Saudi Arabia and the UN's Human Rights Scandal

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/33983-focus-saudi-arabia-...

"Saudi Arabia has completed its first three months as Chair of the UN Human Rights Council. If anything exemplifies the irrelevance of the UN and the body's seeming inability to put its collective foot down on human rights abuses around the world, it is having Saudi Arabia as the leader of the UN body that is supposed to protect these human rights around the world..."

Stephane Dion Minister of Foreign Affairs, Canada

stephane.dion@parl.gc.ca

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

I think it makes more sense to bomb Saudi Arabia than Iraq or Syria. In the world of terrorism and radical Islam,it always trails back to Saudi Arabia. (going back to 9/11)

If only Western countries would kick their oil addiction. Cut them off financially and stop selling arms to them immediately.

They're a barbaric society. Fuck them.

lagatta

There is very little that is positive in the current "clash of barbarisms", but it is producing a tiny bit more awareness of how toxic oil addiction is. I'm always bemused by groups like MADD, that target only one of the addictions behind DUI, while giving a free pass to the other.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

alan smithee wrote:

I think it makes more sense to bomb Saudi Arabia than Iraq or Syria. In the world of terrorism and radical Islam,it always trails back to Saudi Arabia. (going back to 9/11)

Every bombing of a city, since the first time in Guernica, is a war crime. There is no legitimate reason to rain bombs down on civilians to teach their masters a lesson.

Our new Millenium Responsibility to Protect has helped so many countries already. It goes like this I think.  Your despotic rulers are evil and they know other evil people and they are enslaving you. So we will now destroy your homes and businesses and your electrical and water supplies and schools and all public buildings.  There problem solved, lets move on to the next country that needs our help.

voice of the damned

lagatta wrote:

There is very little that is positive in the current "clash of barbarisms", but it is producing a tiny bit more awareness of how toxic oil addiction is. I'm always bemused by groups like MADD, that target only one of the addictions behind DUI, while giving a free pass to the other.

I don't think MADD address addictions, do they? I think they just address themselves to two activities, ie. drinking and driving, done in conjunction with one another, regardless of whether the people doing them are addicted.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

kropotkin1951 wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

I think it makes more sense to bomb Saudi Arabia than Iraq or Syria. In the world of terrorism and radical Islam,it always trails back to Saudi Arabia. (going back to 9/11)

Every bombing of a city, since the first time in Guernica, is a war crime. There is no legitimate reason to rain bombs down on civilians to teach their masters a lesson.

Our new Millenium Responsibility to Protect has helped so many countries already. It goes like this I think.  Your despotic rulers are evil and they know other evil people and they are enslaving you. So we will now destroy your homes and businesses and your electrical and water supplies and schools and all public buildings.  There problem solved, lets move on to the next country that needs our help.

I'm not insinuating bombing civilians. Personally,I'm on the side of not dropping any bombs. But Saudi Arabia is the head of the snake. We shouldn't be giving them any of our money and certainly not any weapons.

If we (our despotic rulers) got over our oil addiction,we could starve Saudi Arabia into oblivion. Their primary and only source of revenue is oil. Without it,they are a desert.

I lean on economically starving them to death,not bombing them.

ikosmos ikosmos's picture

Dunno if it has been mentioned but RT has done a show about the horrific number of Yemeni schools recently targeted by aerial bombardment by the Saudi regime.

We're talking over 100 schools hit by aircraft bombardment - deliberately targetted.

NDPP

See #43

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