Call to stop Keystone XL

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Call to stop Keystone XL

Barlow, Klein, Suzuki, McKibbon et al. are signatories to a call out for civil disobedience to stop the Keystone XL pipeline project, one that the Harpe Gov't has lobbied heavily to the American Imperium.
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Dear Friends,

This will be a slightly longer letter than common for the internet age—it’s serious stuff.

The short version is we want you to consider doing something hard: coming to Washington in the hottest and stickiest weeks of the summer and engaging in civil disobedience that will likely get you arrested.

The full version goes like this:

As you know, the planet is steadily warming: 2010 was the warmest year on record, and we’ve seen the resulting chaos in almost every corner of the earth.A coalition of clean energy advocates march from the Canadian Embassy to the White House to condemn a proposed pipeline that would bring tar sands oil, allegedly toxic, from Canada to the United States, in Washington D.C. in July 2010. (Photo: ZUMA Press)

And as you also know, our democracy is increasingly controlled by special interests interested only in their short-term profit.

These two trends collide this summer in Washington, where the State Department and the White House have to decide whether to grant a certificate of ‘national interest’ to some of the biggest fossil fuel players on earth. These corporations want to build the so-called ‘Keystone XL Pipeline’ from Canada’s tar sands to Texas refineries.

To call this project a horror is serious understatement. The tar sands have wrecked huge parts of Alberta, disrupting ways of life in indigenous communities—First Nations communities in Canada, and tribes along the pipeline route in the U.S. have demanded the destruction cease. The pipeline crosses crucial areas like the Oglalla Aquifer where a spill would be disastrous—and though the pipeline companies insist they are using ‘state of the art’ technologies that should leak only once every 7 years, the precursor pipeline and its pumping stations have leaked a dozen times in the past year. These local impacts alone would be cause enough to block such a plan. But the Keystone Pipeline would also be a fifteen hundred mile fuse to the biggest carbon bomb on the continent, a way to make it easier and faster to trigger the final overheating of our planet, the one place to which we are all indigenous.

How much carbon lies in the recoverable tar sands of Alberta? A recent calculation from some of our foremost scientists puts the figure at about 200 parts per million. Even with the new pipeline they won’t be able to burn that much overnight—but each development like this makes it easier to get more oil out. As the climatologist Jim Hansen (one of the signatories to this letter) explained, if we have any chance of getting back to a stable climate “the principal requirement is that coal emissions must be phased out by 2030 and unconventional fossil fuels, such as tar sands, must be left in the ground.” In other words, he added, “if the tar sands are thrown into the mix it is essentially game over.” The Keystone pipeline is an essential part of the game. "Unless we get increased market access, like with Keystone XL, we're going to be stuck," said Ralph Glass, an economist and vice-president at AJM Petroleum Consultants in Calgary, told a Canadian newspaper last week.

Given all that, you’d suspect that there’s no way the Obama administration would ever permit this pipeline. But in the last few months the president has signed pieces of paper opening much of Alaska to oil drilling, and permitting coal-mining on federal land in Wyoming that will produce as much CO2 as 300 power plants operating at full bore.

And Secretary of State Clinton has already said she’s ‘inclined’ to recommend the pipeline go forward. Partly it’s because of the political commotion over high gas prices, though more tar sands oil would do nothing to change that picture. But it’s also because of intense pressure from industry. TransCanada Pipeline, the company behind Keystone, has hired as its chief lobbyist for the project a man named Paul Elliott, who served as deputy national director of Clinton’s presidential campaign. Meanwhile, the US Chamber of Commerce—a bigger funder of political campaigns than the RNC and DNC combined—has demanded that the administration “move quickly to approve the Keystone XL pipeline,” which is not so surprising—they’ve also told the U.S. EPA that if the planet warms that will be okay because humans can ‘adapt their physiology’ to cope. The Koch Brothers, needless to say, are also backing the plan, and may reap huge profits from it.

So we’re pretty sure that without serious pressure the Keystone Pipeline will get its permit from Washington. A wonderful coalition of environmental groups has built a strong campaign across the continent—from Cree and Dene indigenous leaders to Nebraska farmers, they’ve spoken out strongly against the destruction of their land. We need to join them, and to say even if our own homes won’t be crossed by this pipeline, our joint home—the earth—will be wrecked by the carbon that pours down it.

And we need to say something else, too: it’s time to stop letting corporate power make the most important decisions our planet faces.

We don’t have the money to compete with those corporations, but we do have our bodies, and beginning in mid August many of us will use them. We will, each day through Labor Day, march on the White House, risking arrest with our trespass. We will do it in dignified fashion, demonstrating that in this case we are the conservatives, and that our foes—who would change the composition of the atmosphere are dangerous radicals. Come dressed as if for a business meeting—this is, in fact, serious business. And another sartorial tip—if you wore an Obama button during the 2008 campaign, why not wear it again? We very much still want to believe in the promise of that young Senator who told us that with his election the ‘rise of the oceans would begin to slow and the planet start to heal.’ We don’t understand what combination of bureaucratic obstinacy and insider dealing has derailed those efforts, but we remember his request that his supporters continue on after the election to pressure the government for change. We’ll do what we can.

And one more thing: we don’t want college kids to be the only cannon fodder in this fight. They’ve led the way so far on climate change—10,000 came to DC for the Powershift gathering earlier this spring. They’ve marched this month in West Virginia to protest mountaintop removal; Tim DeChristopher faces sentencing this summer in Utah for his creative protest. Now it’s time for people who’ve spent their lives pouring carbon into the atmosphere (and whose careers won’t be as damaged by an arrest record) to step up too. Most of us signing this letter are veterans of this work, and we think it’s past time for elders to behave like elders. One thing we don’t want is a smash up: if you can’t control your passions, this action is not for you.

This won’t be a one-shot day of action. We plan for it to continue for several weeks, to the date in September when by law the administration can either grant or deny the permit for the pipeline. Not all of us can actually get arrested—half the signatories to this letter live in Canada, and might well find our entry into the U.S. barred. But we will be making plans for sympathy demonstrations outside Canadian consulates in the U.S., and U.S. consulates in Canada—the decision-makers need to know they’re being watched.

Winning this battle won’t save the climate. But losing it will mean the chances of runaway climate change go way up—that we’ll endure an endless future of the floods and droughts we’ve seen this year. And we’re fighting for the political future too—for the premise that we should make decisions based on science and reason, not political connection. You have to start somewhere, and this is where we choose to begin.

If you think you might want to be a part of this action, we need you to sign up here. As plans solidify in the next few weeks we’ll be in touch with you to arrange nonviolence training; our colleagues at a variety of environmental and democracy campaigns will be coordinating the actual arrangements.

We know we’re asking a lot. You should think long and hard on it, and pray if you’re the praying type. But to us, it’s as much privilege as burden to get to join this fight in the most serious possible way. We hope you’ll join us.

Maude Barlow
Wendell Berry
Tom Goldtooth
Danny Glover
James Hansen
Wes Jackson
Naomi Klein
Bill McKibben
George Poitras
David Suzuki
Gus Speth

p.s.—Please pass this letter on to anyone else you think might be interested. We realize that what we’re asking isn’t easy, and we’re very grateful that you’re willing even to consider it.

via commondreams.org

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Press release:

Canadian and U.S. environmental and civil society leaders today endorsed a call from the Indigenous Environmental Network, the Council of Canadians and Greenpeace Canada for people in Canada to join a mass protest featuring a civil disobedience sit-in against the tar sands in Ottawa on September 26th.

The call comes after several days of protests at the White House, where activists are calling on the Obama government to not approve the proposed Keystone XL pipeline that would carry dirty tar sands oil from Alberta to the United States. The Ottawa protest will ask the Harper government to transition away from toxic tar sands to green, sustainable energy.

“Since August 20th, hundreds of Americans have peacefully protested, many risking arrest, in a series of events to stop the Keystone XL pipeline and stop more dirty tar sands oil from entering the U.S.,” said Mike Hudema, climate and energy campaigner with Greenpeace Canada. “On September 26th, Canadians need to match their courage and risk arrest in Ottawa to stop the tar sands. The time has come to act together for the health of our planet, our air, our water, our climate, and our children and say no to a destructive tar sands industry.”

The U.S protests at the White House against the Keystone XL pipeline will run to September 3rd. The U.S. mobilization began when environmentalist David Suzuki, actor Danny Glover and many others issued a similar call out for civil disobedience action at the White House.

 “We cannot continue to let the reckless oil industry trample treaty rights, poison rivers, destroy the land and help fuel a growing climate crisis,” said Clayton Thomas Mueller with the Indigenous Environmental Network. “That is why on September 26th we are asking people to come to Ottawa and use their bodies in a simple act of civil disobedience to say no to the tar sands. The Harper government needs to know that we don’t support his reckless agenda, that we want to turn away from a toxic tar sands industry and that we are going to forge the future we all want to live in.”

"Tar sands oil is dirty oil,” said Maude Barlow, national chairperson of the Council of Canadians. “Rather than coming up with a conversion plan to a sustainable energy future, the federal and Alberta governments are planning massive increases in tar sands production and the export of this dangerous product to the already oil-ravaged Gulf Coast of Texas. Tar sands mining has destroyed much of Alberta's water table and will put the fragile Ogallala Aquifer in peril. We join with the millions of Americans who oppose the expansion of this deadly industry."

The call out has been endorsed by veteran U.S. and Canadian scientists, Order of Canada members, authors and environmentalists and non-governmental organizations. Among them are Maude Barlow, Shirley Douglas, George Poitras, James Hansen, Graeme Gibson, John O’Connor, Clayton Ruby, Judy Rebick, Naomi Klein, Tom Goldtooth, Bill McKibben, Gordon Laxer, Tony Clarke, Bruce Cox, Joe Uehlein, the Indigenous Environmental Network, Council of Canadians and Greenpeace Canada.

People can sign up online (http://ottawaaction.ca) to participate in the sit-in on the September 26th.

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Yep if Doer is our next leader we might as well call ourselves the Neo-Liberal party

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M. Spector M. Spector's picture

Gary Doer has been chosen to be an honourary pallbearer at Layton's funeral tomorrow!

 

ETA: The Council of Canadians is calling for a [url=http://canadians.org/action/2011/ambassador-doer.html]letter-writing campaign against Doer[/url].

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Wow

Fidel

The Gob&Pail wrote:
On Saturday, as protesters began a two-week-long blitz of daily rallies in Washington, Mr. Doer was talking up Canadian crude - and the proposed Keystone XL pipeline -

As far as I can tell, the lion's share of  the cheapest to produce crude oil as well as the cream of the profits were siphoned out of Alberta years ago. That's why Baird and Doer are down there now and begging the Yanks to take the dirty oil off our hands. Crude oil is premium oil compared to dirty tars sands oil. Or at least that's how I understand it. And the situation is similar with Canada's proven natural gas reserves - most of that's been siphoned off to the largest and most fossil-fuel dependent economy in the world south of us as well.

This is gaulling:

The Gob&Pail wrote:
Calgary-based TransCanada's $7-billion Keystone XL pipeline fits into Mr. Doer's economic pitch as a major infrastructure project that would create 20,000 unionized construction jobs and hundreds of millions of dollars in tax and other revenues in the six states through which it would pass.

The pipeline would almost double the capacity of Alberta crude that TransCanada can ship south, to 1.1 million barrels a day, and provide a direct line to Gulf of Mexico refineries on the Texas coast.

What about creating thousands of unionized refinery jobs here in Canada? Why can't we at least create a few more higher paying jobs in Canada if we must wage war on the environment? Where are the feds and their tars sands promoters trying to create a few measly jobs in Canada? It's another bargain extracted from the Northern Puerto Rico. Canadian taxpayers will likely end up paying corporate America to take it off our hands like we did with Trans-Canada Pipeline and the crude and the gas and everything else that's worth anything in this northern colony. It's like our bought and paid-for federal governments are all produced in the same factory for corrupt stooges, year after year, decade after decade.

George Monbiot was right - Canada is a corrupt petro state.

Fidel

Ya I was amazed by the ongoing betrayal of the environment and workers. Not anymore. It was obvious long ago that it's what they do well in Ottawa and Calgary after successive decades in power non-stop without so much as a 15 minute break for democracy. They are dedicated stoogeaucrats and proud of it. Stoogery is a life-long calling I suppose.

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Fidel wrote:

The Gob&Pail wrote:
On Saturday, as protesters began a two-week-long blitz of daily rallies in Washington, Mr. Doer was talking up Canadian crude - and the proposed Keystone XL pipeline -

If the tar sands crude is going to be processed despite all the protests and environmental concerns, it should be processed in Canada and keep those 20,000 unionized jobs in this country. Whose side is Doer on, anyway - Canada or the USA???

Fidel

20000 must be referring to just oil refinery jobs. That number can't possibly include all jobs related to petrochemical and spinoff industries in total. Mind you, they are not green jobs of the future. Anything where people are working around petrochemicals can't be good for human health. High rates of cancer among those workers. But the pay is typically a living wage. And living wage is another issue altogether. Their whole system of remuneration for workers in general is way out of whack.

Roscoe

Keystone XL is a done deal.  The EPA's increasingly wild accusations won't stop approval by State and Obama will sign. Its in the bag.

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Meanwhile, the great social-democrat [url=http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/konrad-yakabuski/gary-doer-sel... Doer is busy promoting the tar sands in the USA[/url]:

Quote:
Since becoming Canada’s ambassador to the United States in late 2009, the former Manitoba premier has travelled from the Carolinas to California, and to most points in between, to make the case for the oil sands.

He is just back from last weekend’s annual meeting of southern U.S. governors in Asheville, N.C. On Saturday, as protesters began a two-week-long blitz of daily rallies in Washington, Mr. Doer was talking up Canadian crude – and the proposed Keystone XL pipeline – to the governors and hundreds of state legislators and business people gathered in Asheville.

And where are the NDP figures among the [url=http://ottawaaction.ca/join-us]list of endorsers of the Ottawa action[/url]?

ETA:

This action has been endorsed by:

Maude Barlow – Chair, Council of Canadians
Shirley Douglas - Canadian television, film and stage actress and activist
George Poitras – Mikisew Cree Indigenous First Nation
James Hansen – Internationally renown Climate Scientist.
Graeme Gibson – author and Member of the Order of Canada.
John O’Connor – Medical Doctor
Clayton Ruby – Member of the Order of Canada and Criminal Lawyer
Judy Rebick – Journalist, political activist and feminist.
Naomi Klein – Author and Journalist
Tom Goldtooth – Director, Indigenous Environmental Network
Bill McKibben – Writer and Environmentalist
Gordon Laxer – Professor of Political Economy
Tony Clarke – Author and Director of the Polaris Insitute
Bruce Cox – Executive Director of Greenpeace Canada
Toghestiy Wet’suwet’en – Wet’suwet’en Nation
Kai Nagata – Ex-CTV Bureau Chief and journalist
Joseph B. Uehlein – Labor organizer and environmentalist

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[Never mind. It was in the HTML code and I fixed it.]

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Do we have a list of people in the ruling elite - Presidents, Prime Ministers, Premiers, Governors, etc... opposed to the tar sands and/or the Keystone project? Are there any?

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Oil,  of course we need oil, don't you know our society is built on the car.  Next you would want them to oppose motherhood and apple pie.  Sarcasm alert!!

Don't forget that the ruling elite are those corporations deeply involved in the military industrial complex.  This pipeline will be built and the refineries will be in the US homeland because that is what the military needs to keep its gas guzzling war machine running. 

Roscoe

The State Department concluded TransCanada Corp. (TRP-T41.61-0.02-0.05%)'s $7-billion Keystone XL pipeline will not have an undue environmental impact on air and water along the pipeline route, nor lead to greater greenhouse gas emissions.

Armed with the positive environment report, the State Department now has 90 days to make a "national interest" determination, that examines questions of environment, national security and the broader impact on the U.S. economy. It will also hold hearings in the states along the route of the pipeline.

 

 

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/keystone-pipeline-jump...

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You've already told us it's a "done deal". Now you tell us the State Department is going to hold hearings? What's the point?

 

Bacchus

Make us feel good?

Fidel

When Baird and Doer are finished wash-braining the Yanks in to taking the dirty oil off our hands for a song, the mericans will be convinced they are doing us a favour. And Canadian taxpayers will reward US corporations extremely well for their charity work in Canada, too. It was a done deal decades ago. Not very often is he right, but Newt Gingrich was bang on about the need for a sustainable national energy policy down thataway. And they should allow our corrupt stooges to think for themselves at the same time.

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Newt Gingrich wouldn't know a sustainable national energy policy if it sat in his lap and called him Pappy.

Roscoe

M. Spector wrote:

You've already told us it's a "done deal". Now you tell us the State Department is going to hold hearings? What's the point?

 

The hearings are at the state level. There are many legitimate issues about riparian crossings, trespass and the use of eminent domain to force landowners to cede right of ways. Pipeline construction  still requires compensation to affected parties and uninformed landowners can be coerced. State level hearings mitigates the opportunity for shady dealings.

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Published on Wednesday, August 31, 2011 by CommonDreams.org

Appalachian Coalfield Leaders Join Tar Sands Pipeline White House Protest: Which Side Are You On, Mr. President?

by Jeff Biggers

Not quite a year ago, NASA climatologist James Hansen joined hundreds of Appalachian coalfield activists, including Teri Blanton, Maria Gunnoe, Bo Webb, Mickey McCoy and Bob Kincaid at a sit-in in front of the White House, and called for the abolition of mountaintop removal mining.

In an extraordinary act of solidarity, Blanton and other Appalachian coalfield leaders will join the growing climate justice sit-in at the White House today, calling on President Obama to deny the TransCanada Keystone pipeline permit. Hansen, who has defined the pipeline decision as a litmus test for the Obama administration’s commitment to dealing with climate change, was arrested earlier this week....

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/08/31-5

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epaulo13 wrote:

Published on Wednesday, August 31, 2011 by CommonDreams.org

Appalachian Coalfield Leaders Join Tar Sands Pipeline White House Protest: Which Side Are You On, Mr. President?

by Jeff Biggers

Hansen, who has defined the pipeline decision as a litmus test for the Obama administration’s commitment to dealing with climate change, was arrested earlier this week....

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/08/31-5

Every litmus test Obama has been near while in office has made him turn yellow.

This is the President that rubber stamped off shore drilling in deep water after the Gulf disaster.  Expecting him to stop this pipeline is a pipe dream. 

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..not sure if this action was ever meant to do anything beyond raising awareness. everything so predictable and non threatning. they've even got the process of protest and arrest down with minimal cost to the state. i agree about the litmus test. talking about this test re obama was becoming stale even before he got elected. 

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Ali Vesni - who has a website devoted to "ethical oil" -  was debating this issue with Darryl Hannah on P&P tonight.

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Darryl Hannah handed that guy his ass on a platter!

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Yup. She's relying on Obama to do the right thing as per his campaign promises, but I think she's (and all of us opposed to Keystone) going to be disappointed.Frown 

 

Seriously, who in the centre or any progressive is going to cast a vote for Obama next year if he lets this go through?

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What about Gary Doer? He has a ruined reputation!

Unionist

[url=http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/breakingnews/canadian-aboriginal... aboriginals chide Gary Doer for promoting oilsands in his job in D.C.[/url]

Quote:
Canadian aboriginals are calling upon Gary Doer, Canada's ambassador to the United States, to stop promoting Alberta's oilsands and TransCanada's proposed Keystone XL pipeline as part of his duties in the American capital.

A group of about two dozen native activists, accompanied by Council of Canadians head Maude Barlow, marched upon the Canadian embassy on Pennsylvania Avenue on Wednesday to present a letter to Doer, who was in Winnipeg at the time. [...]

Indigenous people from across North America are joining the ongoing White House protest against the Keystone XL pipeline on Friday.

Several First Nations leaders from Canada, including Bill Erasmus and George Poitras, former chief of the Mikisew Cree in northern Alberta, will take part in the events.

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Doer really is a prick, isn't he? Frown

Fidel

knownothing wrote:

What about Gary Doer? He has a ruined reputation!

 

Selling Canadians and the environment to Exxon-Imperial and friends never hurt the Liberals before. Canadians were more upset about their pilfering, kick-back and general all around hands-in-cookie jar here at home attitude. 

Doer isn't even with the NDP today. Not many NDPers leave the party and do the kind of thing he's doing. Try not to listen to very much of the rabid anti-NDP rhetoric around here. Canada used to have oodles of crude oil sans tar in Alberta. Not anymore. Where were all of these anti-NDPers when that was going on for decades at a time? Apparently all was good in Canada until Gary Doer took a job with the feds if you can believe that.

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"...there's absolutely no guarantee that the oil that will be carried by the Keystone pipeline will enter U.S. markets."

excerpt:

Bill Erasmus, chief of the Dene First Nation and the Assembly of First Nations regional chief for the Northwest Territories, was in the U.S. capital to lend support to the campaign and meet with the U.S. Department of the Interior about his people's concerns.

"We talked about our concerns about the oil coming to the States when it's really not needed. The Americans are not short on oil; this oil is going to go to the Gulf Coast and then be shipped to the highest bidder, and that doesn't really make sense in the national interest," Erasmus said. "They were very receptive."

Klein said that the companies that have signed up to buy the oil delivered by Keystone XL are talking about exporting it to Latin America and Europe.

"It turns out, actually, that there's absolutely no guarantee that the oil that will be carried by the Keystone pipeline will enter U.S. markets," she said. "This starts to make a lot of sense for why the Canadian government has engaged in this frenetic lobbying campaign in Europe and in Britain to keep Europe from implementing emissions standards that would effectively bar tarsands oil.... The tarsands pipeline has nothing to do with U.S. energy security."

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Fidel wrote:

Doer isn't even with the NDP today.

That's interesting. How do you know he's not a member? Was he not designated as an honourary pallbearer at Layton's funeral? Is/was he not under pressure from some party insiders to run to replace Layton as leader?

This hardly sounds like someone who is not "with" the NDP today.

Fidel wrote:

Not many NDPers leave the party and do the kind of thing he's doing.

No, you're right. Many of them, like Doer, remain "with" the party while doing those horrible things.

 

 

6079_Smith_W

Fidel wrote:

Doer isn't even with the NDP today. Not many NDPers leave the party and do the kind of thing he's doing. 

Of course he isn't. And of course he's not NDP.

How can he be when he is Stephen Harper's representative in Washington? He doesn't get to decide what he says, and I am surprised that anyone would think he might say anything moderate or left in that position. But he made that decision the day he took the job.

Does it matter if he has a card in his back pocket? Who cares? He is hired to do what Harper says.

 

6079_Smith_W
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6079_Smith_W wrote:

Of course he isn't. And of course he's not NDP.

Gosh, you said that so emphatically, it must be true!

How foolish of Layton to have chosen him, along with Ed Broadbent and Alexa McDonough, to be his honorary pallbearers!

6079_Smith_W

M. Spector wrote:

6079_Smith_W wrote:

Of course he isn't. And of course he's not NDP.

Gosh, you said that so emphatically, it must be true!

How foolish of Layton to have chosen him, along with Ed Broadbent and Alexa McDonough, to be his honorary pallbearers!

Do you think Doer is a heel for doing this? I agree with you. But do you think you can tar the NDP based on what Doer says now and who Jack Layton chose for his funeral? I don't think I follow the reasoning.

I think the more important choice in this case was his decision to accept Harper's job offer. He works for him now. That was the point - two years ago -  at which I was shocked, and I am surprised that anyone is shocked by anything he says now. If he deviated one word from his script you know he would be handed a plane ticket home the moment he stepped away from the microphone. He's not even an elected official; he's an employee.

 

 

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Maybe Doer was chosen as a pallbearer simply because he was a friend of Layton - nothing to do with his NDP credentials (or lack thereof...) whatsoever.

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6079_Smith_W wrote:

But do you think you can tar the NDP based on what Doer says now and who Jack Layton chose for his funeral? I don't think I follow the reasoning.

Follow this: Doer (always a right-wing NDPer from day one) takes a cushy job as Stephen Harper's errand-boy in Washington. Fidel talks about Doer as if he's burned all his bridges with the NDP, whereas in fact, the party, and its late leader never shunned him or regarded him as a turncoat Tory. Instead, they touted him as a leading candidate to succeed Layton, until he said he wasn't interested. Note that he didn't say he no longer considered himself a New Democrat, or that he preferred to be a Conservative. Note also that the possibility that he was in fact a Conservative never bothered anybody in the upper echelons of the NDP - least of all, Jack Layton. Note also that there has been zero criticism from NDP officialdom of Doer's shilling for the tar sands, though there has been plenty of criticism coming from the non-parliamentary left. It's abundantly clear that Doer is still regarded as an elder statesman of the party (in a class with Broadbent and McDonough), and that he'd have a significant following if he had decided to run for party leader.

6079_Smith_W

@ M.Spector

I think the topic of discussion is the Keystone project, and it has been established that Doer has decided to read Stephen Harper's script.

As for his party (and whether former or otherwise hardly matters, since he isn't speaking for them in his current position) I'm afraid I'll have to disagree with you on them all being of one mind about it. I don't know of too many political parties or even organizations where everyone thinks exactly the same.

Personaly, I don't like his decision (but then, I saw it for what it was two years ago). The bottom line is he doesn't represent or speak for the NDP any more. 

As for his party, I think they have more important business to deal with than publicly denouncing their former leaders for things that have no bearing on current business. The NDP aren't after all the House UnAmerican Activities Commission, Cultural Revolution-Era China, the Massachussetts colony or the Jehovah's Witnesses.

And personally, I'd be more upset if they did act in that way. I think the Liberals and the Tories would love to see that show though, because they'd be laughed off the stage.

(edit)

And speculate all you want about what might happen if he ran, but that has not happened.

 

 

 

 

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September 3 Press Release: “Movement being born”
Uncategorized — Jamie September 3, 2011 at 1:45 pm

WASHINGTON– The largest environmental civil disobedience in decades concluded at the White House this morning with organizers pledging to escalate a nationwide campaign to push President Obama to deny the permit for a new tar sands oil pipeline.

“Given yesterday’s baffling cave on ozone standards, the need for a fighting environmental movement has never been more clear,” said Bill McKibben, who spearheaded the protest. “That movement is being born right here in front of the White House and reverberating around the country.”

The proposed Keystone XL pipeline has become the most important environmental decision facing President Obama before the 2012 election and sparked nationwide opposition, from Nebraska ranchers to former Obama campaigners. A petition with 617,428 names opposing the pipeline will be delivered to the White House today.

Over the course of the two-week sit-in 1,252 Americans were arrested, including top climate scientists, landowners from Texas and Nebraska, former Obama for America staffers, First Nations leaders from Canada, and notable individuals including Bill McKibben, former White House official Gus Speth, NASA scientist Dr. James Hansen, actor Daryl Hannah, filmmaker Josh Fox, and author Naomi Klein....

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6079_Smith_W wrote:

As for his party (and whether former or otherwise hardly matters, since he isn't speaking for them in his current position) I'm afraid I'll have to disagree with you on them all being of one mind about it. I don't know of too many political parties or even organizations where everyone thinks exactly the same.

I never said that. You invented it.

I was responding to Fidel's careless comment about Gary Doer having gone over to the dark side and having nothing to do with the NDP any more, as if the party had washed its hands of him. Do you defend his position?

 

 

 

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Fidel

M. Spector wrote:

Fidel wrote:

Doer isn't even with the NDP today.

That's interesting. How do you know he's not a member? Was he not designated as an honourary pallbearer at Layton's funeral? Is/was he not under pressure from some party insiders to run to replace Layton as leader?

This hardly sounds like someone who is not "with" the NDP today.

Fidel wrote:

Not many NDPers leave the party and do the kind of thing he's doing.

No, you're right. Many of them, like Doer, remain "with" the party while doing those horrible things.

 

 

You people are about 50 years or so too late with crying about Canada's energy policies dictated to us from corporate board rooms in America. It was Louis St Laurent and old Dief' who started pawning it off to rich Americans way back in the 50s and 60s. Our corrupt stooges who signed FTA and NAFTA were only finishing the job their predecessors started decades ago. 

This blaming of Gary Doer for the long history of stoogery in Ottawa and Wild Rose County was a laugh a long time ago. It's just stale now though. Learn a new tune or buy an FM radio, but give us a break eh. 

6079_Smith_W

M. Spector wrote:

I was responding to Fidel's careless comment about Gary Doer having gone over to the dark side and having nothing to do with the NDP any more, as if the party had washed its hands of him. Do you defend his position?

Doer's comments about Keystone have nothing to do with the NDP because he's Harper's mouthpiece now. I'm sure you know the kind of control the prime minister keeps over his caucus and his bureaucrats.

As for whether Doer would be crowned king of the NDP if he decided to offer his services, that is entirely speculative. 

But it seems to me the most important thing about this situation is how it affects our enviromental and economic future, not how it can be used to tar the opposition with a statement from the Harper government. Are they going to be responsible for everything Harper does with respect to the Americans now, simply because Doer is his bag man?

 

 

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I'm not "blaming" Gary Doer for "history". I want him held to account for what he, personally, himself, says and does today.

And I want the NDP brass held to account for their shameful silence on this issue, which obviously stems from some sort of misguided sense that Doer is an elder statesman of the party - and of course it wouldn't do for anyone in the NDP who still has a conscience to publicly contradict him, would it?

... other than under the cover of anonymity on babble, of course!

You & Smith like to pretend that Doer is regarded in the upper echelons of the party as some kind of evil apostate  - like Bob Rae - when in fact, all the evidence points to his being quite cosy with the NDP, which seems all too eager to claim him as one of their own (something Doer himself has done nothing to try to dispell).

Fidel

No you want to smear an entire federal party for what one former provincial NDP leader is doing in his  job with the feds and outside any relationship with the Manitoba NDP. 

And I noticed you were careful not to actually mention whose oil is being siphoned off to the States(it's not our's anymore, that's for god damned sure), or that it's our corrupt stooges in Ottawa and Calgary guaranteeing that Canadians will some day freeze in the dark unless we pay the price for imported oil and natural gas after playing free market baloney with the most unsustainable and most fossil fuel dependent economy in the world next door for too long. Very few bad vibes for the corrupt stooges who actually created the situation long ago, and it's conspicuous.

 

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Fidel wrote:

No you want to smear an entire federal party for what one former provincial NDP leader is doing in his  job with the feds and outside any relationship with the Manitoba NDP.

I don't need to "smear" the entire party. They discredit themselves by their silence and their cosy relationship with Doer.

 

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I'm leaning towards Spector's point of view, because I've been googling and can not find any criticism of Doer's promoting Keystone  from NDP sources. If someone here has such a link, could you please post it?

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Alberta’s NDP Opposition leader Brian Mason is calling for the cancellation of the Keystone XL pipeline project because it will kill potential Alberta jobs.

excerpt:

"If we refuse to allow jobs to go down the pipe with Keystone XL, there will be a stronger incentive for industry to keep jobs here. This report backs that point. Alberta needs a government willing to show leadership and demand the best return for our resources - that's NDP leadership," Mason says.

 

 

I guess he's okay with the tar sands projects. Frown

6079_Smith_W

As I said at #40, I am sure the Liberals and the Tories (and anyone else who wants to see the NDP make fools of themselves) would like nothing better than for them to call a press conference to publicly denounce and shun heretics, rather than dealing with the impact of this project.

 

 

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