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Is Raising Money For A Right Wing Government Charity?

https://yvesengler.com/2018/03/24/is-raising-money-for-a-right-wing-gove...

"...Together, the United Jewish Appeal/Combined Jewish Appeal of Toronto, Montreal, Winnipeg, Windsor, Calgary, Edmonton, Hamilton, London, Ottawa, Vancouver and Atlantic Canada raise over $100 million annually. The largest in the network, UJA Toronto's endowment and planned giving arm, has $500 million in assets and planned gifts. CJA Montreal has $300 million on hand...

Incredibly, there has been little public criticism of UJA's anti-Palestinianism. Despite delivering tens of millions of dollars a year to Israel and spending a comparable sum on Israel Advocacy in Canada, the organization presents itself as a political 'charity.' It's past time to bring some pressure on these morally odious institutions.

Taxpayers should tell political leaders they don't want to subsidize a wealthy country in the Middle East and the Canada Revenue Agency should be pushed to investigate whether Federation funding to CIJA and other politically engaged organizations contravene their rules about charities spending no more than 10 percent of their budgets on politics.

It's time for those who care about peace and international justice to treat the Federations the same way they treat Palestinians."

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"T0day we recognise Yan-Al Ard or Land Day in Palestine. Land Day is celebrated every year on March 30th in Palestine in remembrance of the annexation of 2 thousand hectares of land by the Israeli government on that day in 1976."

https://twitter.com/telesurenglish/status/979704816413835265

'Israeli settlements continue being built on Palestinian land, despite being illegal under international law.'

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EI: In Gaza, Israel Turned Good Friday Into Bloody Friday

http://bit.ly/2J6s9Bh

"Israel met them with 100 military snipers..."

"As I prepare to mark my people's liberation from oppression, Israel is killing unarmed Palestinians marching to have their suffering heard. Many have been killed, even more wounded, holding nothing but flags and their children's hands. 

I cannot say Happy Passover right now..."

https://twitter.com/David_EHG/status/979761777662742528

https://youtu.be/h1fYDBib39s

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NDPP

Jewish National Fund Canada - Projects - The John Baird Park in Sderot

http://jnf.ca/index.php/jnf-projects/sderot-memorial-park

"This park will be built in memory of the 66 IDF soldiers who lost their lives during Operation Protective Edge in the summer of 2014."

2100 Palestinian children, women and men killed - UN

https://imeu.org/

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NDPP

TRNN: Israel Massacres Unarmed Gaza Protesters...

https://t.co/MbilyPve4r

"The Israeli military brutally crushed a protest on the Gaza border led by tens of thousands of Palestinians, killing 15 and injuring 1,400. Journalist Max Blumenthal speaks of Israel's suffocating blockade of the Strip and biased meia reporting on the 'Great Return March..."

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Teen on Birthright Trip Hadn't Expected To See So Many Dead Palestinians

https://www.theonion.com/teen-on-birthright-trip-hadn-t-expected-to-see-...

"Saying they were pretty hard to miss during her two-week visit to Israel, teenager Sarah Caplan told reporters Monday that she hadn't expected to see so many dead Palestinians on her Birthright trip. 'My friend Kate who came over last year said she noticed a couple, but this is way more dead Palestinians than I ever imagined,' said Caplan..."

https://twitter.com/Liam_O_Hare/status/980422447999660032

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NDPP

"Gaza doctor accuses IDF of use of illegal dum-dum bullets which explode inside the human body causing grievous internal injuries."

https://twitter.com/richards1052/status/981088009415139328

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Israeli Forces Kill New Palestinian Protester in Gaza

https://t.co/edmavEHrS3

"Israeli occupation forces killed new Palestinian protester who was taking part in the activities of the Great March of Return along the eastern border of Gaza Strip...#FreePalestine

HRW: Israeli Officials Who Illegally Ordered the Use of Live Ammunition Are Responsible for the Deaths of 19 Civilians.

https://twitter.com/Taghreeba/status/981235244538966016

 

"People in Gaza Sent This Greeting To Friends At York U"

https://twitter.com/justinpodur/status/981152854076547072

Why can Canadian MPs unanimously support a condemnation of Russia for 'poisoning' - a crime for which there is no evidence, yet not rise unanimously to condemn the actually occurring  criminality of the Israeli regime?

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Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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Why can Canadian MPs unanimously support a condemnation of Russia for 'poisoning' - a crime for which there is no evidence, yet not rise unanimously to condemn the actually occurring  criminality of the Israeli regime?

Is this really about Russia for you?

NDPP

Empire Files: How Palestine Became Colonized

https://youtu.be/BT5L4YU_Fl4

"Joseph Weitz, the President of the Jewish National Fund, a group designated to reclaim the land of Israel, wrote in 1940, 'There is no room for both peoples in this country...and there is no way besides transferring the Arabs from here to neighboring countries - to tranfer them all. We must not leave a single village, a single tribe."

Empire Files: Israelis Speak Candidly to Abby Martin About Palestinians

https://youtu.be/1e_dbsVQrk4

"...In order to feel that they are both Zionist and moral at the same time, they have to keep lying to themselves all the time. So they have perfected this whole discourse of lies in order to lie to themselves but also the international community in order to justify their existence here."

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*LIVE-FEED*: March of Return: Palestinians Protest in Gaza (and vid)

https://www.rt.com/on-air/423368-land-day-palestinians-protest/

Latest protests at the border with Israel

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Abby Martin Interview Critical of Israel is Blocked by YouTube in 28 Countries (and vid)

https://on.rt.com/92nh

"An episode of Abby Martin's Empire Files featuring writer Max Blumenthal and spotlighting rising militarism in Israel has been blocked by YouTube." *see it here*

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The Horror of Israel and Canadian Complicity

"The horror unfolding now in Gaza is the natural result of decades of complicity by the 'human rights' loving countries which oppose every form of Palestinian resistance to Israel's crimes, and continue to fund and profit from Israeli occupation and terror.

Israeli Army Arabic spokesperson Avichay Adraee posts image of Palestinian children seen through Israeli sniper's scope and warns Palestinians that no one can hid from them. Cold-blooded killers."

https://twitter.com/AliAbunimah/status/982306978142801926

 

CPC: The Canadian Government Must Condemn Israel's Massacre in Gaza and Act to Enforce UN Resolutions

http://communist-party.ca/statement/2771

"Canada must act now to ensure that the UN and the world's governments and peoples force Israel to stop these crimes and allow for an independent investigation, end the illegal blockade of Gaza and honour the right of return of Palestinian refugees."

Justin Trudeau pm@pm.gc.ca

Stephen Bronfman, Revenue Chair,  National Board of Directors, Liberal Party of Canada

nbd_cna@liberal.ca

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What Does It Mean To Unconditionally Love Israel?

http://www.cjnews.com/perspectives/opinions/what-does-it-mean-to-uncondi...

"The vast majority of the Canadian Jewish community professes to love Israel. We hear this both from Jews who are highly supportive of the Israeli government's policies, as well as from those who are critical of its decisions.

For Jews and Zionists the appropriate kind of love of Israel is unconditional love..."

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Drone Footage Captures Protests At Gaza Border (and vid)

http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/04/07/557656/Drone-footage-captures-p...

"Palestinians continued protesting along Gaza's eastern border near Khan Younis on Friday, as part of the 'Great March of Return' movement. Drone footage shows the scale of the protest. At least 6 Palestinian protesters were killed by Israeli forces and over 150 were wounded in the violence. The 6 week long rallies demand what Palestinian protesters say is their right to return to land now claimed by Israel."

#GreatMarchOfReturn

https://twitter.com/hashtag/greatmarchofreturn?lang=en

 

The Occupation Of The [North] American Mind (and vid)

http://therealnews.com/t2/story:21527:The-Occupation-of-the-American-Mind

"A documentary film narrated by legendary musician and activist Roger Waters of Pink Floyd fame, trains a harsh light on Israel's decades-long propaganda war..."

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"US-armed [Canada-supported] Israeli soldiers shot 293 Palestinians for protesting today - why? Because the world did nothing to punish Israel for shooting 700 protesters the week before."

https://twitter.com/RaniaKhalek/status/982381326492946433

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Israelis Gather By Gaza Border To Watch and Cheer

https://www.dailysabah.com/mideast/2018/04/07/israelis-gather-by-gaza-bo...

"Many likened the scene to an 'outdoor cinema' calling it disgusting and barbaric..."

 

Former President of the National Lawyers Guild Marjorie Cohn Lays Out the Case For War Crimes Charges Against Israel For The Gaza Massacre

https://twitter.com/marjoriecohn/status/982272855600652291

"It was a premeditated, hence illegal, use of force..."

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NDPP

This should be sent to all of them!

When It Comes To Palestine Many Canadian Politicians Are Silent  -  by Monia Mazigh

http://rabble.ca/columnists/2018/04/when-it-comes-palestine-many-canadia...

"One assumes that if a state is an 'ally and friend' with another state, both offer condolences to each other in times of tragedy and share 'good advice' or at least 'restraint in using force' if an 'ally and friend' has fired on demonstrators, killing 17 of them and injuring 700.

But this is only if the 'ally and friend' is not named 'Israel' and if the victims of the military operation are not named 'Palestinians'. So Canada sheepishly didn't say anything to its 'friend and ally' and once again let down the Palestinian people.

This position - choose what you'd like to name it -- of 'cowardice' or 'self-censorship' or 'who really cares', not only defines the action or inaction of the Canadian government in general, it also applies to individual members of Parliament.

I really hope that Canadians will remember this troubling silence and think of the MPs that communities worked so hard to elect...Sometimes silence is more telling than words."

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NDPP

A problem: The media...

"In its excellent summation of daily newspapers' news and opinion the BBC recorded on 30 March that there was not one front-page headline about the Gaza story with the papers concentrating largely on nationalistic trivia..."

https://twitter.com/Strateg_Culture/status/982987771966042113

 

Disabled Protester Slingshots Stones at Israeli Positions (and vid)

https:twitter.com/Ruptly/status/982875698519044096

Israel will never defeat such a people. Such a resistance...

 

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NDPP

The Jimmy Dore Show

https://youtu.be/tQ1r8eq4bcU

"Israel shoots 6 journalists covering Palestinian protest."

 

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NDPP

Video: Israeli Interrogators Threaten Ahed Tamimi

https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/tamara-nassar/video-israeli-interro...

"This video shows two Israeli interrogators taunt and abuse Palestinian child prisoner Ahed Tamimi during an interrogation at a police station in the Shaar Binyamin settlement in the occupied West Bank on 26 December...

JFN Canada's King David Circle Misison (see also #1, #4)

http://jnf.ca/index.php/jnf-canadas-king-david-circle-mission-comes-to-j...

"Our main focus is on the question as to what we, as Canadians, can do for Israel. The projects that we promote in Israel connect us to the people of Israel. The delegation's itinerary included visits to various sites in Jerusalem, a visit to the Gaza border and to the Border Police base..."

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IDF Sniper Having Fun at Gaza Border (and vid)

https://on.rt.com/92wc

"What a legendary video!"

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alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Fuck how much I'd like this shithole nuked off the map.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-43709737

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Canada Must Not Remain Silent On The Israeli Military Actions in Gaza

https://www.greenparty.ca/en/statement/2018-04-09/canada-must-not-remain...

"From March 30 to April 6, I participated in a study trip to areas of Palestine and Israel with 17 other MPs from all five parties organized by the Canada-Palestinian Parliamentary Friendship Group. Before our departure, Global Affairs Canada asked us all to keep public and social media comments to a minimum during our trip...

There is no question about the intentionality of the Israeli military. It has since taken credit for doing exactly what was ordered. Every bullet went where it was intended to go, say the commanders. This claim by the IDF makes it very clear that this was no accidental shooting. No on panicked. This was a systematic plan to murder unarmed civilians"

There are 16 other statements from the other MPs yet to come. Where are they? Ask them.

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NDPP

CJPME Decries Canadian Silence on Israeli Massacre in Gaza

http://www.cjpme.org/pr_2018_04_10

"Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East (CJPME) condemns the Canadian government's silence on the Israeli massacres unfolding in Gaza. Condemning Israel's shooting of literally thousands of civilians by regular Israeli soldiers should be a 'no brainer'. As a signatory to the Fourth Geneva Convention, Canada is sworn to uphold its tenets..."

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Israeli Forces Attack Medical Camp With Tear Gas (and vid)

https://twitter.com/MuhammadSmiry/status/984766289376894976

"Let the world watch this..."

'We want to live like everyone else in the world. We came here so the world can see us and know that life here is miserable, and that there should be a solution.' - Great March protester- 2018

 

When Zionism Rubs Up Against Reality

https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/04/13/when-zionism-rubs-up-against-rea...

"Israel is good at what it does. Damn good. No, not its slaughter, torture and endless detention and land theft; these are givens. A dark, very public, almost proud record of 'achievement' that stands essentially unparalleled when it comes to recent contempt for international norms and law. Like these before, what it really excels at is the grand lie....Yet, over the last ten days, that faux moral perch has begun to collapse as the winds of truth have blown away the mask of hate that is very much Israel."

https://twitter.com/abu_ali_gaza/status/984188303191703553

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Gazans Mark Palestinian Prisoners' Day (and vid)

http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/04/18/558864/Gazans-mark-Palestinian-...

"People in the Gaza Strip have marked the Palestinian Prisoners' Day near the so-called buffer zone in solidarity with thousands of Palestinians languishing in Israeli jails. The so-called buffer zone has been the scene of weekly rallies dubbed the Great Return March. Israel has arrested close to one million Palestinians since 1967."

 

African Refugees Get No Reprieve From Israel's Racist Rage  

https://electronicintifada.net/content/african-refugees-get-no-reprieve-...

"Interior Minister Aryeh Deri told Israeli army radio that to take these asylum seekers, mainly from Eritrea and Sudan, and expel them to Rwanda and Uganda, would merely mean returning them 'to their natural place'. Avraham Neguise, currently Israel's only black legislator, a Jew of Ethiopian origin, also spoke out in support of the deportation to Rwanda and Uganda, telling Israel's i24 TV, 'Well they came from Africa, and they're going back to Africa.'  

Yitzhak Yosef, one of Israel's two national chief rabbis, also heaped scorn on the Africans in a sermon last month, in which he called the Black people 'monkeys' and the Hebrew equivalent of the N-word. His fellow chief rabbi, Yisrael Lov, had already used that Hebrew version of the N-word to describe Black people, on his very first day in office.

In February, one refugee confessed that a group of Israeli schoolchildren had approached him on a public bus and asked him, 'How much can we sell you for?' With the Ruanda-Uganda deal shelved in shame, and the UN deal for resettlement in the West now derailed by Netanyahu himself, the fate of the 40,000 African refugees in Israel is once again unclear..."

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lagatta4

it is important to point out that there are Jewish associations in many countries that do not follow the Likudist line. Some are anti-Zionist, others are two-staters (along the lines of Uri Avnery) but they refuse to endorse how the state of Israel is treating Palestinians in the Occupied Territories and within Israel itself.

I have friends in such associations who have received threats from groups such as the JDL and Bétar.

NDPP

So do I.

JNF-Canada is not one of them. Nor is FSWC. Nor is CIJA. Israeli Apartheid must be dealt with as South African Apartheid was. Canadian fund-raising for this odious regime must end. 

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lagatta4

I wasn't disagreeing with you. Just pointing out that there are other Jewish organisations.

NDPP

From a UK Labour activist. Like the NDP, Labour has its own Friends of Israel, of whom it can be truly said with respect to their attacks upon Corbyn and the party, 'With friends like these, who needs enemies?

"Is it anti-Semitic to say Israeli snipers shouldn't shoot little Palestinian children with expanding soft-nosed bullets that cause them to require amputations? Just checking! I wouldn't want to morally outrage the Labour Friends of Apartheid!"

https://twitter.com/TheMalcolmFinch/status/986680794524643330

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lagatta4

You aren't even listening to me, if you are a human and not a bot. I've supported BDS for a rather long time, but I'm sick of the shouty stuff as it seems to be more about the Russian leaders than the Palestinian masses,

You aren't capable of listening to people who actually agree with you about the oppression of the Palestinians. Just shouty macho stuff.

NDPP

The thread is quite clear as to its purpose. Nor is it about Russian leaders. I did 'listen' and answered you in #28. If my posts disagree with you don't read them. 

NDPP

Wounded Palestinian [Child] Loses Leg As Israelis Deny Passage For Medical Treatment

http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/04/19/559002/Palestine-Abdulrahman-No...

"The 11 year old Abdulrahman Noufel had been shot in the left leg after Israeli snipers targeted him in al Awdah refugee camp east of Rafah city on Wednesday, local media reported...but they were prevented from leaving the coastal enclave. Palestinians say protesters are being shot while posing no threat to soldiers."

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Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

NDPP wrote:

From a UK Labour activist. Like the NDP, Labour has its own Friends of Israel, of whom it can be truly said with respect to their attacks upon Corbyn and the party, 'With friends like these, who needs enemies?

"Is it anti-Semitic to say Israeli snipers shouldn't shoot little Palestinian children with expanding soft-nosed bullets that cause them to require amputations? Just checking! I wouldn't want to morally outrage the Labour Friends of Apartheid!"

https://twitter.com/TheMalcolmFinch/status/986680794524643330

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No, it is not antisemitic to say any of THOSE things...it IS antisemitic, however, to call for people to be suspicious of "Canada's Jewish Federations".   Why didn't you say "Canada's Zionist Organizations", or "Allies of Netanyahu in Canada"?  I would strongly suggest changing the thread title, as its current phrasing could bring Babble AND Rabble.ca into unjustified disrepute.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

How about changing it to "No More Fundraising for Apartheid Israel"?

NDPP

I have no difficulty changing the title Ken,  the one you suggested works just fine for me. I am probably immune to the anti-semite bs though,  having seen too often who uses it and to what ends. But the Palestinians are Semites too after all, and I would hate to bring Babble/Rabble into unjustified disrepute when the justified variety is in such obvious abundance.

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Gazans Hold New Mass Protest

http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/04/20/559102/Israel-Gaza-

"Israel dropped leaflets in the Gaza Strip on Friday, warning Palestinians not to approach the fence where the regime has deployed special forces, sharpshooters and armored vehicles. Organizers have however, moved their tents 50 meters closer towards the fence 'as a message of persistence from our people to the world that we are moving forward towards our rightful goals"

March of Return (LIVE)

https://youtu.be/n6A8OZtWTWY

"Palestinians are protesting at the Gaza border in a 6 week campaign called the Great Return March."

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Israeli Forces Use Tear Gas, Live Raids to Disperse Palestinian Protesters on 4th Friday of Gaza Protests (and vid)

https://twitter.com/PressTV/status/987324599233724416

4 murdered by IDF so far today.

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Natalie Portman 'Unworthy of Any Honor' Says Israeli Politician

https://on.rt.com/93qe

"An Israeli government minister has called for actress Natalie Portman to be stripped of her Israeli citizenship after she refused to attend the Genesis Award ceremony, citing 'extremely distressing' recent events. Portman was nominated to receive the prize, often called the 'Jewish Nobel', last November. 'I was very sorry to hear that Portman fell like a ripe fruit into the hands of BDS supporters, Culture and Sport Minister Miri Regev said."

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Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

Thanks for changing the title, and maximum respect to Natalie Portman.  

NDPP

No problem at all Ken. And I agree. Especially in her business.

NDPP

'Wounds the Size of a Fist'

https://on.rt.com/943c

"Gaza protesters' gunshot injuries unusually severe, medics say. 'Half of the more than 500 patients we have admitted in our clinics have injuries where the bullet has literally destroyed tissue after having pulverized the bone. - MSF."

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Israel: Condemned By Their Own Words

http://truepublica.org.uk/global/israel-condemned-by-their-own-words/

"There is no room to doubt the evil nature of the expansionist apartheid state that Israel has no become. Nor the moral vacuity of its apologists in the western media."

 

"Today a 2nd Palestinian journalist died of wounds from an IDF sniper. Last week, CJFE fired its communications director because he urged the Canadian government to condemn such murders of journalists and civilians. Shame!"

https://twitter.com/richards1052/status/989335394737995776

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#GreatReturnMarch: Protests at Gaza Border Enter 5th Week (LIVE)

https://on.rt.com/945t

"Protesters have gathered along the Gaza border as the 'Great March of Return' demonstrations enter a fifth week."

'Crushed Bones & Wounds the Size of a Fist' - MSF

https://youtu.be/8uTgrxAZPQc

#GreatReturnMarch

https://twitter.com/hashtag/GreatReturnMarch?src=hash

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Three Palestinians Killed on 5th Friday of Protests

https://t.co/C6Zarrvmzr

"Israel bombs Gaza as Palestinians continue unarmed demonstrations challenging siege and demanding right of return."

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KKL - JNF Builds Roads in Border Areas

https://jnf.ca/index.php/our-work/areas-of-impact/security

"Thanks to these roads, military activity is enhanced..."

Confiscate and Criminalize!

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NDPP

"Sorry for the horrific image...say hello to the only democracy in the Middle East and the world's most moral army where you can cheer when you gun down Palestinian kids and yet get rewarded...#Fuck this hypocrite world."

https://twitter.com/ShehabAgencyEn/status/990317262035963904

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NDPP

"Last Thursday, I was arrested for shouting 'shame, free Palestine' at the large annual pro-Israel demonstration..."

The Montreal Police's Problem With Democracy

https://buff.ly/2rc8uIK

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Scholar and Activist Joel Kovel Dies at 81 in NYC

https://twitter.com/MichaelLevin11/status/991570968358342657

"And I feel that the notion of Zionism, as that there is this kind of destiny of the Jewish people to have their own state, is just a wrong idea. And it's an idea that requires signing on to imperialism. It means signing on to ethnic cleansing. It means - despite everything that has been said about it, it means basically becoming a racist situation, where you're oppressing an indigenous population and depriving them of their right to existence, and then thinking that you can go ahead and have a decent life on that basis. And you can't in my view. And I join hands with those people who feel that the time has come to basically think of Israel in the same category as South Arica, as a state that just has gone wrong and needs replacement."

RIP 

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iyraste1313

If a group of conscientious people came together, we could put in a charge in federal Court, disclosing their entire genocidal nature. Initial action $50, the Hearing about $300...I could probably front whatever....my problem is that I´m in and out of the country, so need backup to depose paperwork from their lawyers, in a timely manner!

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