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I decided to use this old thread rather than start a new one.

Three developments this week:
 
1. James Moore says BC is not a doormat for Enbridge. Trying to save his seat in BC. Same for other Con MPs in BC.
 
2. The Premier of the Northwest Territories suggested using the Mackenzie Valley pipeline to ship tar sand product north to tankers in the Arctic  instead of the Enbridge/Northern Gateway route.
 
3. Harper set a deadline of December 2013 for the Northern Gateway hearings to finish, and the government will make it's decision by June 2014 - a year ahead of the next federal election, so the pipeline does not become an issue in the next federal election. (Harper seems to forget BC has a provincial election coming up...)

In Calgary, realization that the Enbridge pipeline might not go through is beginning to mount, and alternative routes are being considered - shipping by train instead, and expanding the existing pipeline to Vancouver (Burnaby?).

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Make your voice heard!

Corporate American energy giant, Kinder Morgan, is planning to double the amount of tar sands heavy oil it brings to our coast for export by building another pipeline from the tar sands right to Burrard Inlet in Vancouver. Doing so would increase the amount of large oil tankers travelling our waters to over 300 each year, increasing the risk of a disastrous spill in this amazingly special part of the world.

So far, the voices of the majority of people who would be affected by a major oil spill from a tanker in Georgia Strait or a pipeline through their community have not been heard by industry and government. Now is a chance to start being heard.

Kinder Morgan is holding information sessions across the Lower Mainland and in other parts of BC about the proposed new Trans Mountain Pipeline.  In our opinion, these have not been widely announced and we feel they may be a smoke screen for “consultation” and they are undoubtedly hoping not many folks will turn up to voice their opposition. Some sessions have already happened but there are more to come. Let them know you do not consent to have more oil transported through our communities and our waters!

Please attend these sessions.  Let Kinder Morgan know what you think of its plans to bring even more oil to our coast.  But be warned, you will be asked to sign in when you arrive, and we are unclear how your personal information will be used or your presence counted in their reporting. 

But your presence is needed. We want to make sure that the company does not use these sessions to imply there is support for the project when they formally apply to federal and provincial agencies for approval in 2013. Of course, we ask that all objections are peaceful and respectful.

Calendar of Events (talk.transmountain.com)  *** Please note that I have copied this calendar from a corporate web site, there may be other dates/times/sessions, PLEASE CONFIRM the dates/times/sessions for yourself as I've heard that there has been some misdirection in the past ***

  • 26 November 2012 Burnaby Info Session #2 - Eagle Creek Restaurant at Burnaby Mountain Golf Course (7600 Halifax Street) - drop in from 5pm-8pm 27
  • November 2012 Chilliwack Info Session - Best Western Rainbow Country Inn (43791 Industrial Way) - drop in from 5pm-8pm 28
  • November 2012 Hope Info Session - C. E. Barry Intermediate School (444 Queen Street) - drop in from 5pm-8pm
  • 29 November 2012 Abbotsford Info Session #2 - Straiton Community Hall (4698 Upper Sumas Mountain Road) - drop in from 5pm-8pm
  • 04 December 2012 Nanaimo Info Session - Beban Park Social Centre, Rooms 1, 2, and 3 (2300 Bowen Road) - drop in from 5pm-8pm
  • 05 December 2012 Greater Victoria Info Session - Cedar Hill Recreation Centre, Art 1 Room (3220 Cedar Hill Rd) - drop in from 5pm-8pm
  • 06 December 2012 West Shore Info Session - Juan de Fuca Recreation Centre, Fieldhouse Lower Area (1767 Island Highway) - drop in from 5pm-8pm
  • 08 December 2012 Saanich Peninsula Info Session - Saanichton Learning Centre, Gymnasium (1649 Mount Newton Cross Road) - drop in from 1pm-3pm
  • 12 January 2013 Salt Spring Island Info Session - Salt Spring Island Lions Hall (103 Bonnet Ave) - drop in from 1pm-1pm

(Locations, Dates & Times TBC)

As Chief Justin George from Tsleil-Waututh First Nation said in a recent press release.  “It is crucial that residents attend these open houses. Unless the public voices its concerns through this forum, their silence may be deemed as consent. We call on all people to make their voices heard."

http://www.georgiastrait.org/?q=node/1092

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mmphosis..didn't realize this thread existed. i'll start posting here.

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BROKE = Burnaby Residents Opposing KinderMorgan Expansion

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Kinder Morgan at Stoney Creek Community School with BROKE and Ben West

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S87RQHfJSqs&feature=player_embedded#!

 

Mayor Derek Corrigan at BROKE Town Hall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWwJR7AIXig&feature=player_embedded#!

 

Kennedy Stewart, Tory MP for Burnaby North, British Columbia, at the BROKE Town Hall Meeting October 10, 2012 speaking with Rueben George, Tsleil-Waututh Nation, Mayor Derek Corrigan and other dignitaries.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqyxlwQyOwA&feature=player_embedded#!

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Here is some audio from a talk Robyn Allan gave in several communities in northern BC regarding the proposed Enbridge pipeline. She presented to the panel as well.  Her analysis focuses mainly on the economic argument against this proposal, which is substantial, but she also talks about Enbridge's poor environmental record. Her presentation is also available in whole as a video on Youtube.

If you are interested in using this audio, PM me here and I can make it available for download.

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..support for the camp came from other places

Saint Johns Newfoundland

 Allies in Ft Saint Johns Newfoundland take a stand to support the Unist'ot'en today as well!! Thanks guys!!
Montreal

 

Edmonton

Hamilton

Victoria

Regina

Prince George

Terrace BC

Chico, California

Toronto

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The Houston Texas crew representing us with a solidarity stance at APACHE HEADQUARTERS!!!!

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..today, in vancouver, there was an attempt to deliver a letter to a corporation called apache. this company is wanting to build a fracking pipeline called the pacific trails pipeline that runs through unis’tot’en territory. here a camp  has been set up and is barring the road to any that have the intention of contributing to that pipeline.

..we were unable to deliver that letter as the whole of the 16th floor of the building that houses apache had been sealed. If that was not enough there were at least a dozen police blocking the entrance to the building itself both inside and out. anyone wanting to enter were asked to produce id and state there business.

..the letter itself was from the unis’tot’en people and was instead read out to the 200 or so people who had gather in support of the camp and

Unist’ot’en Letter to Industry and Government Warning Against Trespass

against all pipelines that are not consentual. the theme of the demo was NO CONSENT NO PIPELINES. it was a pretty good turnout for a short notice, noon time demo and bodes well for future events.

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Our friends and allies at the Tar Sands Blockade where there is a tree sit happening (texas) to stop the XL Pipeline show their true colors.

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Women's Warrior Song, In Solidarity with Unist'ot'en--No Consent! (vancouver)

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151535352507542

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Fidel

What they need is a Soc-Cred government to pawn it off to corporate America for a song.

Oops! Mulroney and Chretien already sold the environment to Exxon-Imperial and the fossil fuel industry.

Decades ago.   

Barn door wide open?  NO cows? WTH?

This has to be one of the worst cases of delayed reaction in Canadian history.

We need a national energy policy written by Canadians for Canadians not dictated to us from corporate board rooms in America.

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Please pass this message to those who organized the ralley in front of Apache Oil on Tuesday. Tomorrow Thursday Nov 29th is a big day the the new convention center. The BC Federation of labour will at some point through out the day be debating the topic of the proposed OIL PIPELINES . This debate will be very divisive as it is no doubt such project would create a lot of jobs but of course at what cost to the environment. I am persoannly opposed to the pipelines and support you fully in fighting them off. This is why when tomorrow morning as over 1600+ delegates reperesenting over 50 + unions eneter the buidling I suggest a few people outside with signs like the ones that were at the ralley in front of the Apache oil office. As the debate heats up I have no doubt you will have the power to inspire some people to do whats right and speak on the mics in defense of our indigenous people and the right to their land!
Convention starts at 9am people will be coming in earlier come no later than 8:30 . ALSO the leader of the official opposition Thomas Mulcair of the FEDERAL NDP will be making a speech at the convention that morning. YOU MUST BE PRESENT IN THE MORNING TO HAVE YOUR VOICE HEARD OUTSIDE THE BUILDING IN A PEACEFUL WAY!!

https://www.facebook.com/unistoten

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Mulcair assails anti-labour policies of federal Tories

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Also Thursday, delegate s both for and against the proposed Enbridge pipeline combined to vote down a compromise resolution that expressed qualified opposition, while insisting that union workers construct the pipeline, should it proceed.

Members of the province’s building trades unions spoke strongly in favour of the pipeline, which is opposed by the provincial NDP.

“Pipeline transmission is the safest form of transportation [there is],” said a delegate from the plumbers’ union. “We apply reality to the environmental question.”

He was joined in voting down the resolution by a Kamloops delegate fervently against the pipeline. “We are not in favour of a watered-down, murky resolution.”

Meanwhile, another delegate from “up north” discounted the jobs pipeline construction would bring. “You can’t have a good job on a dead planet,” she said.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/mulcair-assails-ant...

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BREAKING: Two People Barricade Themselves Inside Keystone XL Pipe To Halt Construction

video, pics & text

http://tarsandsblockade.org/14th-action/

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Risks not worth it

Dear Editor:

Re: Pipeline is near schools, Burnaby NOW, Nov. 28.

I, too, am a parent concerned about the Kinder-Morgan pipeline's effect on Burnaby schools. Not only are three schools close to the current pipeline - Stoney Creek, Lyndhurst, and Forest Grove - but it also passes within a block of Burnaby North Secondary School, Capitol Hill Elementary School and Confederation Park Elementary School. At the intersection of Gamma and Dundas, it passes by the corner of my child's school playground in Confederation Park.

When this same pipeline broke in North Burnaby in 2007, it sprayed oil on houses over 100 metres away, contaminating gardens and even getting inside open windows. 250 residents had to be evacuated.

Surely we cannot afford to increase the risk of this hazard for six of our local schools.

http://www.burnabynow.com/news/Risks+worth/7632911/story.html#ixzz2E7wVRbeZ

milo204

is it just me or is that picture of the folks blockaded inside the pipe incredibly inspiring?

that, and it really is offensive to me that the company stealing FN land is called "apache"  just as bad as the military names for killing machines.

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milo204 wrote:

is it just me or is that picture of the folks blockaded inside the pipe incredibly inspiring?

that, and it really is offensive to me that the company stealing FN land is called "apache"  just as bad as the military names for killing machines.

milo204

..your not the only one. i am very much impressed at the struggles occuring in texas re the pipeline. very creative stuff going on. check out their site if you haven't already. there's a video that goes along with the pic from inside the pipe.

..i wondered what the unis’tot’en peoples thought about it. haven't found anything on their web page.

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..wanted to point out that other blockades are popping up in bc regarding resources. people are coming together.

yesterday in roberts creek 25 arrests were made including elders. this re logging.

Photo


..while on cortes island day 2 of the blockade


 Day Two


http://vancouver.mediacoop.ca/story/sing-stand-and-send-it-its-merry-way/14764

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..and there's this

Tahltans Set Up Roadblock To Oppose Red Chris Mine

Totogga Lake, BC - Concerned members of the Tahltan Nation have set up a road block on Highway #37, 80 km south of Dease Lake, BC at the Tatogga Lake Resort. The Red Chris Mine is within the territory of the Tahltan Nation who have occupied territory since time immemorial. The specific area where the Red Chris Mine is being constructed is home to many species of animals including Stone Sheep, Mountain Goat, Moose and Caribou. The Tahltans depend upon these animals for subsistence and believe that the mine will destroy the animal’s habitat and calving grounds that is sacred to the Tahltans....

http://intercontinentalcry.org/tahltans-set-up-roadblock-to-oppose-red-c...

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What do the Alberta Tar Sands and the proposed Kinder Morgan Pipeline have in common? Join us for a screening of "White Water Black Gold", an investigative documentary in search of answers about the true impacts of the Tar Sands.

Friday january 18 at the CAPTIAL HILL COMMUNITY HALL

361 S. Howard Ave., North Burnaby (at Hastings St.)

7:00 PM Door Open

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Trans Mountain Pipeline operators ignored alarms warning of Abbotsford oil spill: report

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A National Energy Board report reveals that Trans Mountain Pipeline operators ignored warning alarms for three-and-a-half hours before responding to a gasket failure that resulted in a crude oil spill last January at its Sumas tank farm near Abbotsford.

It took six hours after the first warning sounded for Trans Mountain’s Sumas operator to arrive on the scene, where a spill was discovered. The crude oil did not escape from a containment area but noxious fumes were released into the atmosphere, affecting nearby residents.

The NEB estimates 90,000 litres of crude oil escaped....

http://www.burnabypipelinewatch.ca/content/trans-mountain-pipeline-opera...

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Kinder Morgan Shuts Down Pipeline Open House at the Earliest Sign Of Community Opposition

December 5th (Coast Salish Territories, Victoria) – Community members responding to the Tsleil-Waututh nation’s request to respectfully engage Kinder Morgan about its Trans Mountain expansion project were unable to register their concerns at the Kinder Morgan open house, as Kinder Morgan reps shut down the open house several hours early at 6:30pm.

“Kinder Morgan says it wants to consult with community, but when the community shows up with real concerns and challenges the misinformation that the company is spreading, instead of engaging in dialogue Kinder Morgan reps shut down the open house,” said Eric Nordal from Social Coast....

http://vancouver.mediacoop.ca/story/kinder-morgan-shuts-down-pipeline-op...

Sitting on Kinder Morgan propaganda.

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Pipeline Politics:Can Popular Protest Stop the Tar Sands Leviathan?

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All Parties Onside

None of the federal parties calls for phasing out tar sands operations. The Greens, with one MP, party leader Elizabeth May, have produced a useful “Comprehensive Guide to the Alberta Oil Sands,” but the party calls only for a moratorium on further expansion. The official opposition NDP has a similar position, on paper, but also calls for massive expansion in refining and petrochemical manufacturing in Canada. NDP leader Thomas Mulcair attracted much attention this year when he noted the effect of Canada's energy exports in boosting the value of the Canadian dollar and undermining manufacturing exports (the so-called “Dutch disease”). But Mulcair has signed on to proposals for piping Alberta oil to eastern Canada; in a speech to the Canadian Club of Toronto in September, he said shipping western oil to eastern Canada is a “pro-business, common sense solution” that will create jobs and boost the country's energy security. And he later told reporters he would not speak against tar sands expansion.

The Ontario Liberal government is onside as well. The province's Finance minister, Dwight Duncan, told a Calgary business audience September 27 that his government unequivocally backed the oil sands industry. Not surprising, given the alliance of eastern finance with Alberta oil that has replaced the Montréal-Toronto axis with the Toronto-Calgary axis as the business backbone of the country.

In fact, shipping Alberta tar sands products to Eastern Canada is now being posed as a major “national unity” project. This was evident at the meeting of provincial and territorial first ministers in Halifax in late November. Quebec premier Pauline Marois (who had reversed her previous opposition to attending such meetings) met with Alberta premier Alison Redford and announced that her Parti Québécois government will establish a joint working group with the Alberta government to study the possible use of Quebec refineries receiving crude oil from the tar sands. This involves not just Alberta and Quebec alone, said Manitoba's NDP premier Greg Selinger. “It's part of a national strategy.”....

http://www.socialistproject.ca/bullet/743.php

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BREAKING: Judge Halts Construction on Section of KXL!

Mike Bishop has won a temporary restraining order against TransCanada

A judge ordered TransCanada to halt construction on Mr. Bishop’s land until a hearing on December 19th. If successful, that hearing could lead to a more long term temporary injunction against TransCanada which could stop work for months! This comes at a critical time because TransCanada has already started bulldozing his biofuels crop.

Here’s a brief testimonial video shot this morning of Mr. Bishop in front of the Nacogdoches County Courthouse.

http://tarsandsblockade.org/judge-halts-construction/

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COMMUNITIES HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY NO! No Consent? No Pipelines! No Tar Sands! No Climate Crimes!

5:00pm
- 10:00pm
Monday January 14 2013

With the Joint Review Panel hearings for Enbridge’s Northern Gateway Pipeline arriving in Vancouver in mid January, we will be in the streets to amplify marginalized voices demanding environmental justice and challenging the legitimacy of the JRP process. These hearings represent the government and corporate model of seeking consultations about industrial projects while ultimately reserving the right to decide on approving the project and removing the rights of communities to say no....

http://vancouver.mediacoop.ca/events/14999

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More BCers oppose Gateway pipeline after map controversy, ad blitz: poll

A new poll suggests that 60 per cent of British Columbians now oppose the proposed Northern Gateway bitumen pipeline. And according to the results, controversy over Enbridge's tanker route map -- which omitted 1,000 square kilometres of islands in the Douglas Channel -- didn't help: 58 per cent of respondents who saw the map said that it worsened their opinion of the project....

http://thetyee.ca/Blogs/TheHook/Labour-Industry/2012/12/11/Gateway-Poll/

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Northern Gateway Pipeline: First Nation Leaders Say They Are Closing B.C. Borders To Pipeline

VANCOUVER - First Nations' leaders in British Columbia say they've built "an unbroken wall of opposition" from the U.S border to the Arctic Ocean against a proposed $5.5 billion petroleum pipeline.

The leaders announced Thursday that several First Nations have added their names to the Save the Fraser River Declaration, bringing the total number of signatory nations in B.C. to 61 and effectively closing the province's borders to the Northern Gateway project proposed by Enbridge (TSX:ENB).

The leaders announced they are also opposed to any efforts by Kinder Morgan to export Alberta tar-sands crude oil from B.C.'s south....

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2011/12/01/northern-gateway-pipeline-first-...

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Today is the 3rd anniversary of 130 First Nations leaders signing the Save the Fraser Declaration, an Indigenous law banning tar sands pipelines and tankers from crossing BC.

Today they are joined by the Mayors of Vancouver and Smithers, along with tens of thousands of other Canadians to present an unbroken wall of opposition: No tankers. No pipelines. No tar sands.

 No tankers. No pipelines. No tar sands.   Please share if you stand with our First Nations allies!

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epaulo13 wrote:

But Mulcair has signed on to proposals for piping Alberta oil to eastern Canada; in a speech to the Canadian Club of Toronto in September, he said shipping western oil to eastern Canada is a “pro-business, common sense solution” that will create jobs and boost the country's energy security. And he later told reporters he would not speak against tar sands expansion.

Wow. Did he consult with the party, and with Canadians? Or is he behaving like Harper and Flaherty and all the rest of those Conservative scum?

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Wow. Did he consult with the party, and with Canadians? Or is he behaving like Harper and Flaherty and all the rest of those Conservative scum?

..it's been a long time boom boom, that i believed that electoral politics is the way out of the hole we've (the population as a whole) dug for ourselves. the paradigm has to change and for me that means direct democracy. tell me, do you believe that the ndp will save us from economic or enviromental ruin?

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tell me, do you believe that the ndp will save us from economic or enviromental ruin?

Wouldn't they have to get elected to office first? Laughing

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epaulo13 wrote:

tell me, do you believe that the ndp will save us from economic or enviromental ruin?

Wouldn't they have to get elected to office first? Laughing

..aren't they elected provincally? Smile

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I don't understand your point, if you're making one. Mulcair is a federal politician.

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..there is little if any meaningful difference between federal and provincial ndp. one just has to watch how they trot out provincial premiers at convention time. to suggest that a federal ndp is totally unknown because they haven't been elected is avoiding my question to you. their position on economy, trade, military, pipelines is fairly clear. not to mention they've been around parliment for decades. we are not going in blind.

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Okay, now I understand where you're going. But if you go back to my post #42 where I entered this discussion, you will see that I asked if Mulcair had done any consultation with Canadians - and his own party - before jumping on the pro-tar sands bandwagon. No one answered my question. My position is that the tar sands should be shut down as soon as possible and alternative energies brought online. I'm absolutely disgusted with Mulcair on this subject.

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..i was reading your question as rhetorical boom boom. we both know he didn't consult except for maybe the caucus. whether he did or not it is the policy now which isn't a whole lot different from the bc provincial ndp position except for the embridge west pipeline and that becomes irrelevant if the other pipelines go forward.

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The BC NDP is on board with the LNG plants and the fracturing that is required.  I would presume the federal NDP would not take a differing position but it would be great if they did.  The NDP neither provincially nor federally so far is talking about the fact that Canada is trying to sell as much carbon as fast as possible.  In the face of climate change it seems like they have missed the point or they would be opposing most of these carbon projects on principal. Expanding the tar sands and expanding the export of LNG is sheer lunacy.

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Yeah, totally agree. So, who's opposed? Elizabeth May?

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..people are opposed. 60% against latest bc poll and this is just the begining. if there's anything that will put a stop to it, it's the resistence.

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If, as expected,  the NDP become the next BC government, then it's hard to reconcile these two statements:

"The BC NDP is on board with the LNG plants and the fracturing that is required."

and

"..people are opposed. 60% against latest bc poll and this is just the begining. if there's anything that will put a stop to it, it's the resistence."

 

 

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Still resisting reversal: Stopping the tar sands Line 9 pipeline in Ontario

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The Line 9 reversal project is a plan by Enbridge Corp. to pump crude eastward from Sarnia to Montreal along a 40-year-old pipeline that was designed for westward flow and light crude oil, not the high pressure and highly corrosive viscosity of the diluted bitumen slurry pumped from northern Alberta. We have to look no further that the Kalamazoo line spill of tar sands crude in 2010 to know that these pipelines are not built for such use.

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