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Environmental groups sue Kinder Morgan after Upstate gas spill

Multiple environmental groups have filed a lawsuit against Kinder Morgan, citing water pollution in South Carolina.

Kinder Morgan, North America's largest energy infrastructure, operates a gasoline pipeline in the Upstate. A spill in 2014 leaked at least 370,000 of fuel in Belton from the pipeline.

Upstate Forever and Savannah Riverkeeper, represented by Southern Environmental Law Center (SELC), claim the company has violated the Clean Water Act.

The groups said Kinder Morgan's cleanup plan for the spill was inadequate and petroleum pollutants are still being discharged into a waterway flowing into Broadway Lake, Lake Secession, Lake Russell and the Savannah River. Upstate Forever said 170,000 gallons of gasoline have not been removed.

"Our clean water is our most important resource," said Andrea Cooper, executive director of Upstate Forever. "Kinder Morgan has had two years to contain its huge gasoline spill, but the company continues to pollute the Upstate's precious clean water with gasoline pollutants."....

Joined: Dec 13 2009

Fight to Stop Oil Spoiling BC’s Coast Is 50 Years Old

"No intelligent person can doubt that if the present misuse of so-called fossil fuels and assorted broad spectrum poisons” continues, a whole range of irreversible ecological changes will undo the natural world. The renowned British Columbian philosopher and naturalist Roderick Haig-Brown made that warning in 1970 and now we are living the emergency.

Two years later he gave a speech to small fleet fishermen in English Bay about the Moran Dam then proposed for the Fraser River. That great and long river, he said, determined and sustained the whole abundance and character of Georgia Strait. It must never be damned. Nor should it ever be poisoned by fossil fuels.

B.C.’s wilderness father then talked about a 2,000-gallon spill of crude oil from BP’s Cherry Point refinery that had moved up into Canadian waters. He noted that “the miserably inept company responsible had, in the words of Mayor Vander Zalm of Surrey: ‘no experience, no knowledge, no plan’ for dealing with even this small spill.”....

Joined: Dec 13 2009

Trudeau Leaves His BC MPs Hanging by Approving Wave of Projects

On Nov. 29 of last year, as Justin Trudeau began to reveal his decision about an oil sands pipeline to Vancouver’s harbour, he announced he was a “grandson of British Columbia” with special ties to “our spectacular West Coast.” He then granted approval of the project while admitting many British Columbians would be “bitterly disappointed.”

Most bitter, probably, were those British Columbians who voted Liberal in the last election thinking they were halting just this sort of project pushed by Harper Conservatives in the face of environmental cautions....


Joined: Jun 6 2002

Thx Epaulo good article.  People in Central Canada seem to have no idea about what the West Coastal culture is and how deeply embedded in BC history and society that culture is. I think BC is in for a rough ride for the next couple of years as we fight off the oil oligarchy's grand schemes. It remains to be seen what level of force our "democratic" government will use to force the pipelines to be built against the people's will.


In defending his approval of sending more oil to B.C. and tankers into its waters, Trudeau was firm his government “won’t be swayed by political arguments” from locals or otherwise. A few days later, to an Edmonton room full of oil executives, Natural Resources Minister Jim Carr suggested he’d send in the military to deal with those protesting the pipeline.

But the resistance, Donnelly says, isn’t simply coming from eco-activists wearing hemp pants and dreadlocks, and he think this is where a major flaw in the Liberals’ understanding of the region lies. He gestures, on this wintry day, to the communities hugging the Burrard Inlet, a mix of housing, nature and industry set against the backdrop of lush greenery and mountains. It’s all part of the third largest metro area in Canada, but many locals still have to deal with bears in their yards and deer on their roads.

“You have multi-million dollar homeowners that don’t want either their viewscape or the potential of an oil spill ruining their real estate and the value of their investments, then you have all the professions that afford those houses.”

Across the inlet from where Donnelly stands the shore is lined with homes, some of those on the water selling for more than $5 million. In 2015 the average household income of Port Moody topped $111,000, and it’s higher in other corners of Donnelly’s riding. Take Belcarra, a hidden little gem overlooking the fjord-like north arm of Burrard Inlet. Five years ago there household incomes averaged over $187,000.

Donnelly wonders why Trudeau and his party would risk angering such residents with money, resources and something to protect. Team these locals up with dedicated environmentalists and Indigenous peoples, and you have a potential “perfect storm” of pipeline oppositions, he believes. Don’t be surprised to see something like the recent anti-pipeline protests in Standing Rock, North Dakota, he said.

Joined: Dec 13 2009

..yup the level of force is the question. the pacific trails pipeline is set to begin this year with the unist'ot'en camp blocking we will see this play out. we will also see how the resistance reacts.

How the Spectre of Oil Trains is Deceptively Used to Push Pipelines

Either support new pipelines or your community will be incinerated by an oil-carrying train.

It sounds outrageous, but it’s been a foundational argument made by the pro-pipeline lobby ever since the horrific Lac-Mégantic disaster in 2013.

“This is almost like putting a gun to the head of communities, saying ‘well, if we don’t build our pipeline then we’re going to put more oil-by-rail traffic through your community,’ ” says Patrick DeRochie, program manager of Environmental Defence’s climate and energy program.

“I think that’s dishonest and the oil industry’s really manipulating legitimate public concerns about rail safety to push pipelines.”


Highest Amount Ever Exported by Rail Was Mere 178,000 Barrels Per Day

Here are the numbers on oil-by-rail.

In September 2016 — the most recent month reported by the National Energy Board on the subject — oil-by-rail exports to the United States were 69,292 barrels per day (bpd).

They had dipped as low as 43,205 bpd in June 2016.

This obviously reflects the extremely low per-barrel price that bitumen is fetching from American refineries, which is also why there’s currently around 400,000 bpd of spare capacity in the pipeline network.

Plus, oil-by-rail generally costs more than shipping oil by pipeline, making it an even less viable option in such economic times.

But rail shipments have never been particularly notable relative to total crude oil production.

In fact, oil-by-rail’s high point in recent years was in September 2014, when 178,989 bpd were transported to the U.S.

The same year, Canada was exporting a total of 2.85 million bpd. In other words, at its very peak, oil-by-rail accounted for a mere 6.28 per cent of total exports.

Joined: Dec 13 2009


Oil-By-Rail Unsafe Because of Regulatory Lack

But there’s a second and related key problem with the pipeline versus rail debate, further undermining the argument for new pipelines.

Specifically, that there are technologies and regulations available to ensure that oil being shipped by rail is far safer than what the current rules mandate.

As a result, combined exports and domestic transport via rail could even rebound to 200,000 or 250,000 bpd and we’d never have to seriously worry about a Lac-Mégantic-like disaster again.


Transport Canada could require rail companies to increase the number of inspectors and crew members on trains, reduce speed limits and require certain braking system protocols and better public disclosure.

The phase-out of the old CPC-1232 tank railcars and transition to new and safer TC-117 tank railcars could be accelerated. The federal environment minister could be required to order an environmental assessment of oil-by-rail projects, as recommended in September 2016 by NDP MP Linda Duncan.

Joined: Dec 13 2009

..comment from the unist'ot'en camp

The form of consultation chosen by the province of British Columbia for the Unist'ot'en plaintiffs of the landmark 1997 Delgamuukw case is a letter stating that the Pacific Trails Pipeline has been started. There is no reasonable option for review or a response... Just a notice that PTP has been started.


Joined: Dec 13 2009

..from an email.

Statement by Kennedy Stewart, MP on provincial approval of Kinder Morgan

January 11, 2017
For immediate release

"Today’s announcement by the BC Liberal government is no surprise. The fix was in — and this betrayal of our province by Premier Clark confirms it. 

"It is simply deceitful for the Premier to claim her five conditions have been met.

"In the end, she has turned her back on the majority of British Columbians who oppose this pipeline.

"Political leaders can put all the paper conditions they like on this pipeline — it only takes one oil spill to devastate our rivers and coast. 

"Pages and pages of restrictions by the federal and provincial governments mean nothing against the enormous risk: this pipeline will be built in a 150 meter wide corridor – that is as wide as a 40 lane highway for 1000 kilometres – through BC’s watersheds to our fragile coast. 

"Again and again, a majority of British Columbians have said they oppose this pipeline.

In phone surveys I conducted in Liberal ridings, in public opinion polls, on thousands of doorsteps and at the many public hearings on this pipeline, citizens spoke up loud and clear that this pipeline is not worth the risk.

"There is no future in another heavy oil pipeline being built from the Alberta border to English Bay. It’s simply a dead end for our province.

"I will continue to work with those who see a different future for our province."


Joined: Dec 13 2009

718,918 reasons Christy Clark said ‘yes’ to Kinder Morgan

After formally opposing the Trans Mountain expansion proposal at National Energy Board hearings last January, Christy Clark’s BC Liberal government has reversed its position, embracing Texas-based Kinder Morgan’s pipeline and oil tanker proposal.


Kinder Morgan, its oil patch backers and industry associations had already donated at least $718,918 to the BC Liberals by March 2016. This included:

- $33,188 directly from Kinder Morgan and Trans Mountain;

- $20,950 from the Canadian Energy Pipeline Association, most of it while Kinder Morgan Canada president Ian Anderson was CEPA chair;

- $551,985 from oil sands producers with shipping contracts on the new Trans Mountain pipeline, including Nexen, Cenovus, Devon, Imperial Oil, Suncor and CNRL....

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