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Monday, January 30

6:30 PM - 8:30 PM PST

Sapperton Pensioners Hall

318 Keary Street, New Westminster, British Columbia

Join Force of Nature on Monday, January 30th for a community forum on our transition to renewable energy.

Speakers include Rob Baxter of Vancouver Renewable Energy Co-op, Councillor Andrea Reimer, Ben West of the Great Climate Race, and keynote speaker Hereditary Chief and Elder Chief Phil Lane, member of the Ihanktonwan Dakota and Chickasaw Nations, and internationally recognized indigenous leader in human and community development.

The event will feature speakers on a variety of topics, from green job creation to solar energy, and will focus on how we can transition towards a clean energy based economy in the Lower Mainland.

The event is completely free, open to the whole family and the venue is wheelchair accessible. Bring a friend!

Pondering

I was reading the Kinder Morgan thread and all the arguments going back and forth about the legitmacy of opposition and the safety of pipelines.  Of the general public very few people stay abreast of the details or even read articles like the following.:

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/01/29/human-error-increasingly-a-facto...

Figures compiled by the National Energy Board show that in the past three years, incorrect operation — which covers everything from failing to follow procedures to using equipment improperly — has caused an average of 20 leaks per year. That's up from an average of four annually in the previous six years.....

Pipelines installed in the U.S. in the past five years have the highest rate of failure of any built since the 1920s, and human error is partially to blame, said Carl Weimer, executive director of the Washington-based Pipeline Safety Trust.

"A lot of new pipelines being put in the ground just aren't being installed right, or things don't get tightened up quite enough, so within the first year or two things fail,'' said Weimer....

In 2015, a Nexen Energy pipeline south of Fort McMurray, Alta. burst, spilling about five million litres of emulsion including about 1.65 million litres of oil near its Long Lake oilsands operation. The AER's investigation into the incident continues, but Nexen's preliminary conclusion was that the pipeline design was incompatible with the ground conditions, and wasn't installed properly.....

But even as companies make improvements on safety, Fleming said getting pipelines towards the higher safety standards of industries like airlines will likely require significant financial sacrifice.

"To be able to do that, you need to have a very cautious approach to doing work, and that's something that's hard financially,'' said Fleming. "It does have some cost implications that we are often very uncomfortable talking about.''

Regulations are pointless because to oil companies the only thing that matters is minimizing their costs and they will lie to do it. They will say that they will install properly, they will say that engineers have studied the land and deemed it safe. They would swear they had a deal with God if they thought we would believe it.

Decades of accidents have proven to people that oil companies cannot be trusted so it really doesn't matter what they say anymore. We know that they are lying and we know that government has been incapable of enforcing regulation and safety. 

Politicians and oil companies and corporations get away with tons of crap but Canada is still a democracy and politicians can be intimidated into submission if public determination is strong enough and the issue is specific enough. There are limits to the amount of violence the government can get away with towards it's own citizens especially if public sentiment is with the citizens on the issue. That is what kept police out of Occupy camps for so long.

The argument that pipelines are a federal jurisdiction therefore provinces must accept them misses the critical point that the people don't have to accept them. Civil disobedience physically prevents installation and there is a limit to how many citizens the government is willing to have arrested.

Energy East will not pass through Quebec because it is strongly opposed wherever it would physically pass through. The offer of jobs is a joke. As if we would accept jobs in exchange for our land and water being contaminiated by oil. (Please don't expect me to believe new pipelines will be safer.)

Nor is this NIMBYism because that would imply that I support pipelines elsewhere. I believe Burnaby can stop the Trans Mountain pipeline and I hope they do.

Every single argument proposed by pro-pipeline people pales in comparison to poisoning the land and water of Quebec. Arguments that oil can be transported safely are meaningless in the face of experience which has proven that neither oil companies nor governments can ensure the safe transport of oil through pipelines and they have lied about it for decades.

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Fortunately for the people of Quebec the Liberals need seats there more than they do in BC. 

 

Pondering

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Fortunately for the people of Quebec the Liberals need seats there more than they do in BC. 

The federal Liberals are pushing for Energy East. It is the threat of separation that will stop them.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/will-pipeline-protests-get-lost-in-crowd...

In the days after Trans Mountain was approved, Natural Resources Minister Jim Carr mused about using the police or defence forces to prevent violence during construction. He said those words were not intended as a warning to protestors.

They can't do that in Quebec.

They don't have the support of Couillard either and he is far more vulnerable to attacks from the PQ who would jump on him hard if he approved EE. 80 mayors have opposed it. 

I have another reason that I believe Couillard will never get on board. He wants Plan Nord.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_Nord

Plan Nord is an economic development strategy launched by the government of Quebec in May 2011 to develop the natural resources extraction sector in the part of Quebec north of the 49th parallel. The plan, to be carried out over 25 years, would foster over C$80 billion in energy, mining, and forestry investments and create or consolidate 20,000 jobs a year for the duration.[1] The proposed plan, which has been described as "a potential centrepiece" of Premier Jean Charest political legacy has received the full support of the mining industry, the Crees and Inuit representatives but has been met with skepticism and downright opposition by the Innus and most environmentalists.[2]

That's where Couillard will spend his political capital.  He will use blocking fracking and Energy East to burnish his environmental credentials. He will claim that he blocks the really bad stuff so if he is okay with Plan Nord it must not be that bad. Plan Nord is central to plans for the economic development of Quebec. He would be stupid to flip on EE with such strong opposition and such little reward.

Quebec police could not be called upon by Carr. We have our own provincial and municipal police forces. That means Trudeau would have to send in the RCMP or "defence" forces. That's just a no go in Quebec. Protesters would be legion. Not just those against pipelines either. Sovereignists and nationalists would consider it a sacred duty to block a pipeline being forced through Quebec terriory by armed forces from Canada. Sending in Mounties or soldiers to force a pipeline through Quebec would result in an emergency referendum in which the yes side would probably win.

With 80 mayors opening declaring against it the protesters will know that the police will monitor not interfere and that Couillard won't push them to act.

That is what Trudeau knows about Quebec.

In BC he has Clark on his side and more of the pipeline is in the wilderness. The Burnaby region is where most of the protest is localized and the RCMP is the provincial police force and in some cases municipal as well. He blocked Northern Gateway and he is going to sink a bunch of money into marine protection along the coast. I'm still betting on citizens being able to stop it.

 

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quizzical

one of the big pipeline companies in AB is called Seven Generations

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quizzical wrote:

one of the big pipeline companies in AB is called Seven Generations

Wow, that's a pretty disgusting web site. I wish there were a hell, so that those people could be sent there.

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

..quizzical was saying too. the name at the bottom of the the poster. seventh generation. :)

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..i'm shocked! absolutely positivley shocked!

North Coast Oil Tanker Ban Won’t Actually Ban Tankers Full of Oil Products on B.C.’s North Coast

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s November proposal to ban oil tanker traffic from B.C.’s north coast received kind reception on the west coast of Canada where the Heiltusk First Nation was still busy responding to a devastating diesel spill from the Nathan E. Stewart, a sunken fuel barge tug that was leaking fuel into shellfish harvest grounds near Bella Bella.

The tanker ban, however, won’t protect the coast from incidents like the Nathan E. Stewart from happening again, nor from the threat of future refined oil tankers passing through the same waters, according to a new analysis by West Coast Environmental Law.

Reviewing the tanker ban proposal, which has yet to be passed as legislation, West Coast identified numerous loopholes and exclusions that allow for the continued transport of oil on B.C.’s north coast via foreign fuel barges and even, potentially, in supertankers full of refined oil products like jet fuel....

quizzical

i hope you're being sarcastic.

i'm not surprised in the least.

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..yes. trudeau comes up a dollar short and a pound light every time.

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..video 52 min.

Anti Kinder Morgan TMX Panel on Nlaka'Pamux Territory,

The Traditional Nlaka'Pamux Gathering in "Merritt BC", on unceded Nlaka'Pamux Territory took place on January 22, 2017. This is the guest panel featuring Jody Leon from Secwepemc Nation and Christine Jack from St'at'imc Nation speaking about the impacts of Kinder Morgan's proposed Trans Mountain pipeline expansion project on their respective territories.

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