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NEB to continue hotly contested review of Kinder Morgan and Energy East

Natural Resources Minister Jim Carr told reporters Wednesday that ongoing oil pipeline reviews will continue on as usual, despite a promise by the federal Liberal government to make the environmental assessment process more robust.

“They have not stopped,” Carr said. “The process continues.”

Ongoing National Energy Board reviews will continue for projects like the Kinder Morgan Trans Mountain pipeline expansion even though the Liberal party platform promised an immediate review of the process, saying the renewed assessments will “restore robust oversight and thorough environmental assessments” and “restore lost protections” resulting from weakened environmental laws under the Stephen Harper government.

Minister Carr indicated the National Energy Board review process will undergo a transition but until that time, project reviews will remain unchanged.

“There will be a transition as we amend the ways in which the National Energy Board goes about the process of evaluating these projects,” Minister Carr said, “and we will announce those changes as soon as we can, but the process continues.”

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Cost of Kinder Morgan's Trans Mountain expansion quietly rises to $6.8 billion

The preliminary capital cost for Trans Mountain’s expansion has quietly risen 25 per cent—from $5.4 billion to $6.8 billion. Kinder Morgan Canada president, Ian Anderson, flew down to Houston last month to ensure U.S. investor analysts were informed, but hasn’t advised any of us here in Canada....

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I think that the government pretty much has to let the existing NEB process continue to unfold as it is, until they issue formal directives of things/queries to be added to the NEB process, before the board makes its determinations.

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..yes but there isn't much time. the report is to come down this january. eta: and in aug harper appointed a paid kinder morgan consultant to the neb. there is a lot of change that needs to be looked at including the enviromental assesment.

KenS

I did not know it is so soom for the TM. Which is concerning. But still, even if the govt has plans to make sure some addition is made to the process in time.... it is [formally] an independent board and process, so they would still have to SAY right now that the process goes ahead as is.

So nothing can be inferred from what the Minister said about 'process goes ahead.'

If they make additions to the process they can also lengthen, but it has to be a formal directive. A formal directive just hitting the pause button might be a bit dodgy.

 

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Burnaby Mountain Anniversary Gathering

Sunday, November 22

12:00pm - 8:00pm

1607 East Hastings Street, Vancouver

Presented by the Tsleil-Waututh Sacred Trust, UBCIC, and many allied organisations, join us for a day of learning and celebration to mark the one-year anniversary of the Burnaby Mountain mobilization. This is a day for learning about "reconciliation in action." We celebrate our victories and strengthen our Indigenous and settler alliances in preparation for the ongoing work of stopping the Kinder Morgan pipeline expansion.

///// Evening Speakers 5:30-8pm \\\\\
Grand Chief Stewart Phillip (UBCIC)
Ta’ah Amy George (Tsleil-Waututh)
Melina Laboucan-Massimo (Lubicon Cree)

///// Daytime Speakers 12noon-5:30pm \\\\\
Cecilia Point (Musqueam)
Brandon Gabriel (Kwantlen)
Chief Bill Williams, Squamish
Charlene Aleck (Tsleil-Waututh)
Rueben George (Tsleil-Waututh)
Khelsilem (Squamish)
Eugene Kung (WCEL)
Harsha Walia
Stephen Collis
Ruth Walmsley
Kaleb Morrison
John Konovsk

https://www.facebook.com/events/1657462621205830/permalink/1660485710903...

quizzical

ya guys just keep ignoring me when i tell you doesn't matter what Burnaby wants Transmountain is going to be a go.

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..i am not ignoring you. i just don't agree with you. and i've said this to you before.

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Carr said. “I also understand that (that the oil and gas downturn) has human dimensions and human consequences, that people are fearful for jobs, investors are looking cautiously at opportunities. But I am hopeful that over time and working carefully with industry, with indigenous people and provincial government, we will find the sweet spot that will enable us to move forward in a sustainable way......”While the Liberal government is opposed to the Northern Gateway pipeline, the Liberals have said that proposals for TransCanada’s Energy East pipeline to New Brunswick and Kinder Morgan Inc.’s Trans Mountain pipeline expansion, to B.C.’s Lower Mainland, remain under review.

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Carr's words are not new. The term "sweet spot' is newly applied to the pipelines question, but we already know this government would like to find a way for one or both to happen, and sufficient aboriginal 'buy-in' [whatever that is] clearly is a key part of it. Nothing new.

To you, that makes it as good as done. Lots disagree with you. Further is or is not discussion is pretty pointless.

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quizzical

..i'm very aware that the fed gov will most likely approve of kinder morgan..if it gets a chance. but there is much yet to be played out on the ground.  the cost and damage of a tanker spill to the southern coast is just to great a risk to take to be accepted.  this is not just a bby struggle but bby mountain is a sampling of what can occur..even if it is approved. then there's the court challenges. and what happened to the torries in bc during the election can easily be recreated to include the liberals. also kinder morgan's internal problems are in play as well.

..as a result my position is that there is no way the pipeline is assured. far from it. can you address this please?

eta: cross posted with ken

KenS

Trudeau has also promised that the reviews of the pipelines will be expanded.

They would never add in anything to the process to intentionally gum up the process. But ANYTHING added to the process slows it down, and that has a dynamic of its own, with no clear end.

That's why Harper chopped the process up and set hard limits. Once that gets undone, even if it as not as much as expected......

In the already changed world, even under Harper, passing time is not in favour of approval ever.

Opposition keeps building, and finds new ways to manifest as well.

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..i'm very aware that the fed gov will most likely approve of kinder morgan..if it gets a chance. but there is much yet to be played out on the ground.  the cost and damage of a tanker spill to the southern coast is just to great a risk to take to be accepted.  this is not just a bby struggle but bby mountain is a sampling of what can occur..even if it is approved. then there's the court challenges. and what happened to the torries in bc during the election can easily be recreated to include the liberals. also kinder morgan's internal problems are in play as well.

..as a result my position is that there is no way the pipeline is assured. far from it. can you address this please?

eta: cross posted with ken

i agree it's too great of risk but they're not going to stop.

i also believe train hauling is too big of risk and we've got them screaming through here every 20 mins all day but they're not going to stop.

transmountain is bragging about how wonderful their spill response is and they just had a big training exercise they say.

so imv with JUSTIN restarting the kits coast guard station they'll sell it as double the protection.

there's been too much money laid out here in BC for it not to happen imv.

KenS

Far more money was laid for building Keystone. So that doesn't cut it as a trump reason that TM cannot be stopped.

KenS

 

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..i'm very aware that the fed gov will most likely approve of kinder morgan..if it gets a chance. but there is much yet to be played out on the ground.  the cost and damage of a tanker spill to the southern coast is just to great a risk to take to be accepted.  this is not just a bby struggle but bby mountain is a sampling of what can occur..even if it is approved. then there's the court challenges. and what happened to the torries in bc during the election can easily be recreated to include the liberals. also kinder morgan's internal problems are in play as well.

I would like to build on this a bit.

There is no question that the NEB will eventually approve this. [That still leaves Cabinet approval needed.] But sticking with the NEB: when is this likely to happen? Unless the govt is going to wash out on its promises completely, the NEB review is going to take longer.

Tick, tick, tick.

Then there is the higher standard of indigenous approval that the govt has called for. Who knows what this will mean. But even "just going through the motions" will take more time. 

Tick, tick, tick.

Then it is directly in Trudeau's court to approve or not. Even right now Trudeau would be in a hard place. I dont doubt the govt would prefer to approve TM. But political costs matter. So approval would be no sure thing, even if Trudeau's decision was now.

And the actual decision is quite a ways off still.... lots more water to flow by before then. And for the pipelines so far, more time has meant more time for the whole thing to fester and opposition to build.... raising the political cost of approval for Trudeau....

 

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i also believe train hauling is too big of risk and we've got them screaming through here every 20 mins all day but they're not going to stop.

..i find this distressing.  much more needs to be done around the risk possed by trains carrying dilbit. and i hope this comes about before and not after a derailment.

 

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Far more money was laid for building Keystone. So that doesn't cut it as a trump reason that TM cannot be stopped.

oh KenS you don't know this at all. you've no idea how much money has been put out in other measures and under other names and titles to get this done.

and btw the NEB currently controls all the water and water ways the transmountain pipeline goes by and under. now why would this be so?

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i also believe train hauling is too big of risk and we've got them screaming through here every 20 mins all day but they're not going to stop.

..i find this distressing.  much more needs to be done around the risk possed by trains carrying dilbit. and i hope this comes about before and not after a derailment.

we've fought as a community to have them slow down at least when going through town. didn't happen. they've a signed contract to say how fast they can go like it or lump it.

almost every rail car going south is full of it. there was a while over the summer when they were court forced to haul grain and it was a relief.

if it happens like at Megantic at the town core almost the whole town will be gone as it angles through the community. if it happens where other derailments have happened then a whole subdivision will be gone as well as a large wildlife habitat.

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..txs for the info quizzical. here are a couple links to rail struggles around dilbit. 

A city bylaw can protect us from hazardous oil

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Spraytech v. Hudson upheld bylaws passed by many cities, including Toronto, that protected residents’ health by stopping the use of weed-killers on lawns. It overruled a protest by the chemical companies that regulation such chemicals lay outside municipal jurisdiction.

The Supreme Court has also cited the “precautionary principle”, whereby “environmental measures must anticipate, prevent, and attack the causes of environmental degradation”, even if there is a “lack of full scientific certainty” regarding “serious or irreversible damage”.

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California cities take a stand on toxic oil

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In Addition to Davis, three other California cities – Berkeley, Richmond, and Oakland – have passed motions to halt the rail corporations in their goal to transport tar sands through their communities.

The strong stand of the City of Davis, overwhelmingly adopted by council members on Earth Day, April 22, 2014, states in part:

Be it resolved that the City Council of the City of Davis hereby opposes using existing Union Pacific rail lines to transport hazardous crude oil through the City of Davis and adjacent habitat areas.

 

quizzical

thanks epaulo, it's too bad we didn't know this 18 months ago before the election of a extremely right wing mayor in favour of all things bad for the environment (god will take care of it) a long as it has money contained within it.

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thanks epaulo, it's too bad we didn't know this 18 months ago before the election of a extremely right wing mayor in favour of all things bad for the environment (god will take care of it) a long as it has money contained within it.

..next time maybe. i don't know your situation but if possible now is a good time to begin as it takes a while to organize. maybe a city councillor can raise the issue or present a motion. something you can build solidarity around.  

quizzical

epaulo we've 3 more long years ahead. we had a progressive mayor and council and now we have gone backwards 10 years. but the regional district went the other way and they have a lot of say here too.

quizzical

yup and NEB has control of the whole Fraser and North Thompson watersheds and this is why epaulo i figure its a mugged game and the fact Trudeau is just allowing what's going with Transmountain and the NEB to just go ahead while banning tar sands tanker traffic in ONLY the northern channels.

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Downe is particularly concerned by the Harper government’s move to block the Trudeau government from making any appointments to the National Energy Board for several years.

“I have never heard of the like of that ever – that’s amazing, that’s a big story. Particularly with the National Energy Board they were trying to tie the hands of the future government which is not fair game at all.”

Downe said he believes the government can cancel the appointments, if it desires, even the ones that were made subject to good behaviour.

http://ipolitics.ca/2015/11/23/doomed-harper-government-made-49-future-p...

 

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quizzical

..i agree the game is rigged and i've never disputed that. in spite of it, knowing the athabasca tar sand began in 2008, not one pipeline outside of alberta has been built. this has meaning. people can creatively resist and be successfully in forcing alternatives. this is where the hope lies in the making of a better world.

quizzical

there's pipelines up in the Ft St John area and they just put in a new one this spring.

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there's pipelines up in the Ft St John area and they just put in a new one this spring.

..your right of course. there are also plans for another in the area to be completed by 2017. i was referring though to pipelines carrying dilbit.

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Yeah, while I agree with KenS that things will slow down more under the Liberals (they know they're caught between a rock and a hard place, so that is their best option), I don't think they will stop for Trans Mountain; that one is too close to being a done deal, and it'd be dangerous for us to slow down ourselves and become complacent about red tape doing the work for us.  The greed for fossil fuels is still greater than the common desire for greener energy, and for as long as the tar sands are being exploited, we have to worry about more pipelines and trains.  I am expecting them to ramp up the Arctic proposal as well since Keystone has gone away for the time being.

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How Big Oil lobbied itself out of its biggest projects

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“So the 'Let’s get shovels in the ground faster' request that industry had made to government, that’s not happening,” Johnston notes. “The weakening of environmental laws has not gotten those shovels in the ground faster. It’s not working for anybody.

“What’s occurring instead is that people who have been shut out of the regulatory process have become frustrated and so are either taking to the streets or taking to the courts to try to have their voices heard and their concerns considered.”

Peter Robinson, CEO of the David Suzuki Foundation, agrees. He points out that not only did the Harper government gut several regulations designed to protect the environment, but they used the Canadian Revenue Agency to audit environmental non-profits (of which the David Suzuki Foundation was one)—which was both costly and chilling for the targeted groups.

For all that, Robinson says the tactics backfired.

“You had considerably more resistance at the local level, community level. You had widespread criticisms of the process. You had groups speak up. There’s a good lesson about how government approaches challenges. To come out fairly aggressively and in a way that provokes groups, the result may not be what you intended to do.”

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B.C. city loses Trans Mountain court battle, ordered to pay company's costs

The City of Burnaby's bylaw battle against the Trans Mountain pipeline has been shut down by a B.C. Supreme Court judge who has declared that the National Energy Board rules take precedence over the city's.

The Metro Vancouver city has tried to hamper preliminary planning in advance of laying the 1,100-kilometre-long pipeline between Alberta and coastal B.C. through two separate bylaws.

But Justice George Macintosh said in a ruling posted online Monday that the National Energy Board has the constitutional power to direct or limit the enforcement of Burnaby's bylaws.

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B.C. city loses Trans Mountain court battle, ordered to pay company's costs

The City of Burnaby's bylaw battle against the Trans Mountain pipeline has been shut down by a B.C. Supreme Court judge who has declared that the National Energy Board rules take precedence over the city's.

The Metro Vancouver city has tried to hamper preliminary planning in advance of laying the 1,100-kilometre-long pipeline between Alberta and coastal B.C. through two separate bylaws.

But Justice George Macintosh said in a ruling posted online Monday that the National Energy Board has the constitutional power to direct or limit the enforcement of Burnaby's bylaws.

i knew they would lose. it saddens me too but the reality on the ground was it's going to go no matter what Burnaby does. or anyone really.

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New calf born to endangered orca population in British Columbia waters

Researchers say a new calf has been born into an endangered orca population off British Columbia's coast.

The Center for Whale Research says the baby named L123 is the seventh calf born into the Southern Resident population in the past year.

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the National Energy Board has the constitutional power ...yea reminds me of the bylaw enforcement in Toronto shutting down the Occupy protest camp overiding the constitutional rights to freedom of speech and Assembly....and yet people here still believe in our institutions of justice and the political institutions which bend over in full support of such legal institutions....

whew!

What's the next step.....grass roots citizen boycotts...of everyone remotely associated with the pipline and company...the banks, the investment institutions...whatever...and international legal remedies? But of course that takes some concerted effort by a few people to carry things through......

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..drift

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Local Activists Halt Spectra Pipeline Construction as Part of Global Mobilization Demanding Action on Climate Change Resist AIM activists deploy inflatable barricades blocking Spectra construction in Cortlandt as coordinated actions take place in Paris, London, and New York City....

quizzical

maybe good news epaulo......

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Near Default

Kinder Morgan tumbled 18 percent in three days after announcing plans Monday to raise its stake to 50 percent from 20 percent in Natural Gas Pipeline Co. of America LLC. The day after the announcement, Moody’s Senior Vice President Terry Marshall described Natural Gas Pipeline’s capital structure as "untenable," and said Kinder Morgan will have to inject cash to prevent a default.

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Kinder Morgan makes final pitch for Trans Mountain expansion to energy board

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Fresh water environments can 'recover' from oil spills

As for the risk of an oil spill hitting fresh water, Denstedt said "the ecological effects could be reversible."

"The evidence shows fresh water ecologies recover from oil spills in a relatively short amount of time," he said.

The lawyer also chastised a City of Vancouver report that said the project's potential for a catastrophic oil spill represented unacceptable environmental and economic risks. Denstedt said Vancouver's claim was “not credible” and was “a flight of fancy to serve a predetermined position."

Vancouver and Burnaby mayors and councils have long opposed the heavy oil pipeline expansion. A heated protester conflict over the company’s pipeline drill tests on Burnaby Mountain also saw more than 100 citizens get arrested last winter.

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Why wasn't Kinder Morgan's pipeline review re-started?

Hopes were high a new Liberal government would change the way pipeline reviews were conducted, despite early signs that Justin Trudeau himself appeared to support the project. In 2014, the then-Liberal-opposition leader told a Calgary newspaper:

"I certainly hope that we’re going to be able to get that pipeline approved. And I hope that Kinder Morgan learns from Enbridge’s experience of short-cutting or going too light on community buy-in,” Trudeau told the Metro Calgary.

But when asked to clarify his position last summer, Trudeau told the National Observer that Liberals would overhaul the environmental review of pipelines.

“Make no mistake about it —Canada needs to get its resources to market. But we need to do that in a way that actually respects the long term interests of Canadians and of our future,” he said in June.

Then in October, newly elected rookie Liberal MP —Burnaby North Seymour's Terry Beech —suggested Kinder Morgan might face an entirely new review. He told the Burnaby Now: "Kinder Morgan will have to go through a new, revised process."

But last week, Trudeau's Minister of Natural Resources Minister Jim Carr appeared to contradict that. The Winnipeg MP told the House of Commons that the overhaul of pipeline reviews will not reset Kinder Morgan's process.

“Mr. Speaker, for those projects that are currently under review, the proponents will not be asked to go back to square one,” said Carr.

quizzical

the lying liar Liberals strike again. feel bad for environmentalists and Elizabeth May for putting their trust and hope into Justin.

at least some tankers potential has stopped, for now at least.

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DELTA, Canada -- Environmental concerns appear to have dashed plans for a liquefied-natural-gas project on the land of a pro-development First Nation near Vancouver, says the chief.

Of the 139 members of the Tsawwassen First Nation who voted Wednesday, 53 per cent opposed plans that would have seen three- to five-million tonnes of LNG processed annually on the First Nations' territory.

Chief Bryce Williams encouraged members last month to support the plans, saying potential benefits outweighed the limited drawbacks.@

Williams said Thursday members were concerned about the environmental impacts of the project and natural-gas extraction and he was proud of how they handled the consultation process.

"Throughout the whole process, I was somewhat on the fence and leaving the decision up to the members," he said.

 

 

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awesome drift....more tsawwassen vote.

Tsawwassen becomes latest First Nation to reject LNG

Members of the Tsawwassen First Nation rejected plans for an LNG terminal on their lands near the ferry terminal 74-65 yesterday. “As a consequence of this result, TFN will not be moving forward with any additional discussion regarding this proposed LNG concept,” notes a media advisory issued by the band.

The plan in question was for an LNG plant, situated on an 80-acre waterfront plot designated for industrial use, that would have produced 3-5 million tonnes a year for export.

The vote saw just shy of a 50% turnout from TFN members, including some from off-reserve. Said Chief Bryce Williams on the result:

"With today’s vote, TFN Members have made the decision that the proposed LNG concept on Tsawwassen Lands is not one they support, and therefore we will not be pursuing it any further."

In his comments on CBC radio this morning, Chief Williams acknowledged that concerns over where the gas for LNG would come from and its impacts on northeast BC through the fracking process were a key factor in the community’s decision to turn down the plant....

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Kinder Morgan’s fairy tales on climate change and Indigenous rights

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Assessing Kinder Morgan’s “Aboriginal Policy”

The company’s approach to Indigenous legal rights, outlined in their Aboriginal Policy, suggests that senior management's grasp of Indigenous land claims and associated inherent legal rights in British Columbia is about as well-informed as Disney’s Pocahontas.

The policy begins:

"Kinder Morgan Canada is committed to working with Aboriginal communities in a spirit of cooperation and shared responsibility; and building and sustaining effective relationships based on mutual respect and trust to achieve respective business and community objectives."

These are fine sentiments, but they are not followed with any pertinent analysis. This is not surprising, as to date the company has been reading investors the kindergarten version of Indigenous legal rights.

In the past, Company spokesperson Ali Hounsell has indicated that Kinder Morgan “has engaged in meaningful consultation with 133 First Nations to date over the project,” and "deeply respects Aboriginal rights and title in Canada."

If Ms. Hounsell were to accurately report to investors on the status of the company’s engagement with Indigenous landowners—after re-reading the Supreme Court of Canada’s Tsilhqot’in decision— she would have to provide an update.

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The company’s approach to Indigenous legal rights, outlined in their Aboriginal Policy, suggests that senior management's grasp of Indigenous land claims and associated inherent legal rights in British Columbia is about as well-informed as Disney’s Pocahontas.

The policy begins:

"Kinder Morgan Canada is committed to working with Aboriginal communities in a spirit of cooperation and shared responsibility; and building and sustaining effective relationships based on mutual respect and trust to achieve respective business and community objectives."

i don't believe this for a second. they know exactly what's contained in the legal rights.

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These are fine sentiments, but they are not followed with any pertinent analysis. This is not surprising, as to date the company has been reading investors the kindergarten version of Indigenous legal rights.

In the past, Company spokesperson Ali Hounsell has indicated that Kinder Morgan “has engaged in meaningful consultation with 133 First Nations to date over the project,” and "deeply respects Aboriginal rights and title in Canada."

i think they mean 133 FN's individuals, not Bands. sneaky wordage is all. they only hire FN's or FN's companies already for maintenance of the pipeline.

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If Ms. Hounsell were to accurately report to investors on the status of the company’s engagement with Indigenous landowners—after re-reading the Supreme Court of Canada’s Tsilhqot’in decision— she would have to provide an update.

after reading your links, imv the Indian Band, who is located a couple of km's away from the terminal, feelings won't be taken into consideration.

the NEB has the right to and controls all the watersheds and waterways which will be effected by the Transmountain pipeline and their export shipping.

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the NEB has the right to and controls all the watersheds and waterways which will be effected by the Transmountain pipeline and their export shipping.

txs quizzical

..i agree that kinder morgan knows exactly what the legal rights contain and the sneaky words.

..i posted this in the west-east thread. i believe it's a solid argument

First Nations group goes to Supreme Court in protest of pipeline

A local band councillor is part of a group taking the federal government to the Supreme Court to stop an Enbridge pipeline.

The Chippewas of the Thames are mounting the challenge, saying the pipeline violates Canada’s constitution.

Band Councillor Myeengun Henry says under the constitution, there’s a duty to consult First Nations peoples, but the government instead chose to allow the National Energy Board to consult with them on their behalf.

“Our argument is that they’re not the government, and we need to have a nation to nation relationship with the government in their duty to consult,” says Henry.

“We don’t think it’s adequate that they can move that over to a third party.”

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“This decision will have an impact on other decisions throughout Canada — the Keystone project [and] the Kinder Morgan project [are] looking to this to deal with First Nation issues where pipelines are of concern,” Henry says.

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..here's a video report

Chiefs of Ontario support fight against Enbridge’s Line 9 pipeline

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National Energy Board refuses to accept study on diluted bitumen

One of the most important reports submitted to the National Energy Board’s review of Kinder Morgan’s proposed Trans Mountain Pipeline expansion has been denied, according to a biologist with one of the hearing’s intervenors.

The Raincoast Conservation Foundation and the Living Oceans Society, both intervenors in the hearing, submitted a motion to the NEB on December 9 asking the board to accept a new study on diluted bitumen (also called dilbit), although the deadline for evidence had passed six months previous. The study, Spills of Diluted Bitumen From Pipelines, was released by the Washington, D.C.–based National Academy of Sciences (NAS) on December 8.

The City of Vancouver signed in support of the request, as did the Upper Nicola Band, the Tsawout First Nation, and two other nonprofits. On December 17, the NEB ruled against the request.

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the NEB has the right to and controls all the watersheds and waterways which will be effected by the Transmountain pipeline and their export shipping.

txs quizzical

..i agree that kinder morgan knows exactly what the legal rights contain and the sneaky words.

..i posted this in the west-east thread. i believe it's a solid argument

First Nations group goes to Supreme Court in protest of pipeline

A local band councillor is part of a group taking the federal government to the Supreme Court to stop an Enbridge pipeline.

“Our argument is that they’re not the government, and we need to have a nation to nation relationship with the government in their duty to consult,” says Henry.

“We don’t think it’s adequate that they can move that over to a third party.”

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“This decision will have an impact on other decisions throughout Canada — the Keystone project [and] the Kinder Morgan project [are] looking to this to deal with First Nation issues where pipelines are of concern,” Henry says....

it's a fine line Harper was walking when he gave control to the NEB. as a Board of Government, it could be considered government. i would like to see what the SCC is going to say.

one of the reasons i'm so furious with our new government is their refusal to change what's before the NEB right now. it's bs and not what they campaigned on.

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..trudeau meets with obama in march.

Market access jitters

US move to resume oil exports could undo Canadian hopes of selling crude in Asia

TransCanada, Enbridge and Kinder Morgan are making what could be their last attempts at persuading Canada’s new government to ultimately approve plans for three of the biggest crude pipelines in the country’s history and open the way for exports beyond North America.

But the already shaky hopes for the three proposals to move an incremental 2.2 million barrels per day out of the Alberta oil sands may have taken a fatal setback with the U.S. Congress vote to end a ban on oil exports that has been at the core of U.S. energy policy for more than 40 years.

This dramatic shift in the U.S. could signal that Americans are more than willing to put economic interests ahead of environmental concerns at a time when the administration of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is tying itself to commitments made at the just-completed United Nations climate change summit to move the world away from fossil fuels and advance a greener energy sector.

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A recent poll by the Pew Research Center showed 48 percent of Canadians opposed TransCanada’s Keystone XL pipeline from Alberta to Texas compared with only 38 percent of U.S. respondents....

 

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Kinder Morgan (KMI) Stock Takes a Hit, Oil Futures Tumble on Excess Supply

Kinder Morgan (KMI - Get Report)  shares are tumbling 2.23% to $15.72 on Monday morning as oil prices were dropping on OPEC's data suggesting a supply glut. 

Specifically, there is an excess supply of over 2 million barrels a day which is equivalent to over 2% of global demand, Reuters noted.

Adding to this bearish news, oil prices were pressured by signs that a further demand stimulus from low crude prices may be limited....

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eta..you see this often in quebec, i think, where at times a community works in unison to express themselves. or so i see.

People, place and power

In the 2015 federal election the Conservatives experienced a net loss of fewer than 235,000 votes across the country. But they took heavy damage in British Columbia, especially in coastal communities. In fact, the Tories lost more votes (- 96,524) in ridings touching the Pacific Ocean than in the other nine provinces and three territories combined. Our research at Dogwood suggests the Harper government’s aggressive promotion of pipeline and oil tanker proposals was a significant factor in how the election played out in B.C.

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Vancouver Climate Convergence Meeting

    Wednesday, January 13, 2016 - 19:00

    Grandview Calvary Baptist Church

    1803 East 1st Avenue

    Vancouver, British Columbia

    Climate Convergence is a network, meeting place and clearing house of information and ideas for individuals and groups, a place to find each other, support each other, find allies, and negotiate collective aims.

    We are dedicated to working in solidarity, creating intelligent radical strategies to address the climate crisis, as world powers continue to destroy the natural world, essentially threatening our own existence by climate change. The agenda for this meeting will include the Kinder Morgan  NEB hearings.

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    DEP fines Kinder Morgan for Philadelphia storage tank violations

    Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection has fined Kinder Morgan $745,000 for violations at the company’s two Philadelphia liquid storage facilities. The bulk of that fine, $570,000, stems from a spill of about 8,000 gallons of fuel grade ethanol from an above ground storage tank at the Kinder Morgan Liquids Terminal along the Delaware river in the Port Richmond section of the city....

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    Kinder Morgan NEB hearings-

    FIRST DAY MARCH & RALLY!

    Tuesday, January 19 at 12:00 PM - 2:00 PM

    Meet at Jim Lorimer Park, just south of Gilmore Skytrain Stn., Bby: https://goo.gl/maps/3c7aGqNt3Jr

    12pm March from Jim Lorimer Park to NEB Hearings. 1-2pm Rally in front of Burnaby Delta Hotel, 4331 Dominion Street—a block from the intersection of Willingdon Ave. and Highway #1 - unceded Coast Salish Territory

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    NEB hearing in a casino! How appropriate, gambling with our children's future. All you need is a pipe line and a super tanker to get in the game!

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    ..wow!!!! the prov gov sees the political writing in the sand

    Province of B.C. formally opposes Kinder Morgan expansion

    The B.C. government will formally oppose the Trans Mountain oil pipeline expansion in a written submission to the National Energy Board on Monday.

    Environment Minister Mary Polak told The Vancouver Sun that the government believes that pipeline proponent Kinder Morgan has failed to provide the NEB with an adequate plan to prevent or respond to an oil spill.

    “We are asking them not to recommend approval,” Polak said.

    The B.C. government laid out in five conditions in 2012 that it said all oil pipeline projects would have to meet before they would be allowed in the province.

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    sadly epaulo this is pure smoke.

     

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    ..what do you mean quizzical?

    eta..this is what i believe is going on.

    Why the BC Liberals could easily win the next election

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    All can be forgotten

    Gone will be all the arguments about LNG, dead children in government custody, deleting of emails, the shocking health department scandal, lying ministers much including the Premier, the Mount Polley coverup and so on and so forth.

    Today’s announcement by the Liberal Government that it’s opposing Kinder Morgan’s pipeline proposal is a reminder that they’re not to be underestimated politically and creates yet another messaging problem for the Official Opposition.

    quizzical

    pretty much the same epaulo.

    they never really said they wee opposing it. they said unless the 5 conditions were met or the NEB just says yes.

    they're going to let it fall on the NEB to say yes.

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