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Pondering

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2015/06/11/billions-of-dollars-later-u...

“We’ve spent money. We’ve wasted time annoying people,” says Bruce Schneier, a security expert and acerbic critic of the Transportation Security Agency. He coined the phrase now widely used to describe tough-looking but useless airport rituals: “security theatre.”

I never heard it before but I think it is a very useful term.

Maybe this thread could be for examples of security theatre.

First entry, Bill C 51

Jacob Two-Two

I use this phrase all the time. Our society has become addicted to pointless spectacles of evaluation and exclusion that keep nobody safe from anything but promote the proper image of the community being "gated" somehow in order to quell our cultural anxiety with "gatecrashers". It sickens me on an almost daily basis.

mark_alfred

Pondering wrote:

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2015/06/11/billions-of-dollars-later-u...

“We’ve spent money. We’ve wasted time annoying people,” says Bruce Schneier, a security expert and acerbic critic of the Transportation Security Agency. He coined the phrase now widely used to describe tough-looking but useless airport rituals: “security theatre.”

I never heard it before but I think it is a very useful term.

Maybe this thread could be for examples of security theatre.

First entry, Bill C 51

No.  Bil C-51 is a serious breach of civil liberties.  It is a breach of the Charter.  Any politician who failed to unequivocally voice opposition to it should not be voted for.  Bill C-51 is not an example of trite security theatre.  It is a serious and potentially dangerous breach of rights.

quizzical

mark_alfred wrote:
Pondering wrote:

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2015/06/11/billions-of-dollars-later-u...

“We’ve spent money. We’ve wasted time annoying people,” says Bruce Schneier, a security expert and acerbic critic of the Transportation Security Agency. He coined the phrase now widely used to describe tough-looking but useless airport rituals: “security theatre.”

I never heard it before but I think it is a very useful term.

Maybe this thread could be for examples of security theatre. First entry, Bill C 51

No.  Bil C-51 is a serious breach of civil liberties.  It is a breach of the Charter.  Any politician who failed to unequivocally voice opposition to it should not be voted for.  Bill C-51 is not an example of trite security theatre.  It is a serious and potentially dangerous breach of rights.

i agree and am concerned at pondering's attempt to minimalize it as being less than what it is.

Pondering

Hold on there, useless massive security at airports costing billions of dollars and invading people's privacy is not minor.

I have read that the security services aren't getting enough funding to actually do what they are already authorized to do therefore Bill C 51 won't have any actual practical effect. It will be fought at the Supreme Court and aspects that contravene the charter will be struck down.

Calling it theatre isn't minimizing it, it's invalidating it. Bill C 51 is smoke and mirrors intended to leave the impression that it will make us more secure. Just like the elaborate airport security measures it won't help protect against genuine risk.

Jacob Two-Two

That's true, but unlike airport "security", C-51 does have a real purpose besides giving an illusion of safety, which is to move Canada away from being a democracy. So while the justifications for it are theatre, the bill itself, and the implications of it, are very serious and very real.

Sean in Ottawa

Airport security is a condition for getting on an airplane. It can be avoided if you don't choose to fly.

C-51 applies to everyone including people with so little money they cannot consult a lawyer and get legal advice. Airport security checks are fleeting in effect as intrusive as they may be and they must be founded in law. Whatever is found by airport security is dealt with in existing legal frameworks. Bill C-51 is a whole new legal framework.

Bill C-51 is the structure that makes the airport security checks (along with many other things) intergrate into a police state that encompasses everyone. C-51 is what allows for information from airport security checks (and many other sources) to devastate many more people who pose no threat to security.

C-51 criminalizes and provides the legal structure for all future state abuse. Airport security is just a tool - one abuse if you like - but it is not a legal basis that removes and/or re-orders rights in the way C-51 does.

No comparison at all.

 

Pondering

Oh okay. Harper didn't use Bill C-51 as political theatre to make it appear as though he was improving security.

He was totally upfront.

Jacob Two-Two

And the award for missing the point entirely goes to... Wow! Pondering again! The 48th time in a row. She really has a lock on this category. Some people say this competition is rigged, but I maintain she's just a natural talent.

Using security as a smokescreen for the bill is theatre. The bill itself is anything but. It is a deadly serious step towards a fascist country. To dismiss it as theatre is to ignore the very real effect this bill will have on dissent and democracy. Theatre is designed to distract. When your civil rights are being taken away, it goes far beyond theatre.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Here is an actual example of security theatre. This is to get onto our vital transportation links.  There is no threat only state sponsored paranoia.

 

NDPP

Most of the recent or current imperial enterprises and the attendant manufacture of consent for these - Iraq wars, Libya, Syria, defence of Israel, Russophobia, 'pivot to Asia' could also be regarded as 'security theatre'. These projects are highly successful in Canada, parliamentary parties normally acquiece readily with minimal protest from the citizenry.

ikosmos ikosmos's picture

The Harper regime has been running ads lately, quite a few, around the "new disaster reporting system" or some such terminology. It looks like another marketing attempt to jack up public anxiety, distress, etc. Ostensibly related to "natural" disasters, it is, of course, an easy and expected transition to all "disasters", real or man-made, an Americanization of public life with their ubiquitous "yellow", "red" and other "alerts".

How about a celebration "alert" ? Every time a conservative drops dead - especially significant ones - every time the police are made to look stupid, every time some security debacle exposes the wasteful, Orwellian, anal retentive National Security State practices, then we celebrate with a "pink" alert, "rainbow" alert, and "fugesicle" alert.

ooh rah.

 

Pondering

Noting the security theatre aspect of C 51 in a thread about security theatre is not minimizing C 51.

We have a thread about C 51. C 51 is mentioned in multiple political threads. I have said I am 100% against the bill in multiple threads. Do I have to say it in every thread?

Ya know who is minimizing bill C 51.  YOU ARE by using it as yet another vehicle to attack me with.

All you want to do is talk about me and my views in general. Apparently I am at the center of Canadian politics.

Even if I didn't object to the civil liberties aspect at all this discussion is about security theatre not my views on C 51.

You are being disruptive and disrespectful of everyone by coming in here with your stupid little vendettas.

ygtbk

Schneier's blog is here:

https://www.schneier.com/

He wrote a very good textbook on cryptography.

 

Pondering

ikosmos wrote:

The Harper regime has been running ads lately, quite a few, around the "new disaster reporting system" or some such terminology. It looks like another marketing attempt to jack up public anxiety, distress, etc. Ostensibly related to "natural" disasters, it is, of course, an easy and expected transition to all "disasters", real or man-made, an Americanization of public life with their ubiquitous "yellow", "red" and other "alerts".

How about a celebration "alert" ? Every time a conservative drops dead - especially significant ones - every time the police are made to look stupid, every time some security debacle exposes the wasteful, Orwellian, anal retentive National Security State practices, then we celebrate with a "pink" alert, "rainbow" alert, and "fugesicle" alert.

ooh rah.

Yes, while cutting back on actual emergency services that respond to disasters he is trying to appear that he is increasing our security and making us safer though the reporting system.