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Alberta election thread #3

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Howard
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Brian Mason's plan to re-regulate electricity prices picks up support from a columnist in the Calgary Herald link


bagkitty
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@NorthReport... hmmm, and I was going to write pointing out that their voter compass was actually bordering on being accurate this time (I got 84% convergence with the ANDP) - of course I do not know how they are differentiating between the Liberals and the PCs.


Northern-54
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Latest poll results from Alberta:

 

Wildrose 36%

Conservative 34%

NDP 13%

Liberal 13%

 

http://www2.canada.com/story.html?id=6433862


Ippurigakko
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If two different right winger (PC and WRP) party vote split it would likely NDP / Libs gonna more gain seats i guess?


Lou Arab
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Northern-54 wrote:

Latest poll results from Alberta:

 

Wildrose 36%
Conservative 34%
NDP 13%
Liberal 13%



The Edmonton regional breakdown is very encouraging:

Con: 33
Wildrose: 24
NDP: 23
Lib: 15

In the last election, the NDP got about 16% in greater Edmonton (18% in the city itself), winning two seats and narrowly losing two more. This time, the NDP is up 7% and there are better vote splits shaping up.

Howard
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Lou Arab wrote:

Northern-54 wrote:

Latest poll results from Alberta:

 

Wildrose 36%
Conservative 34%
NDP 13%
Liberal 13%



The Edmonton regional breakdown is very encouraging:

Con: 33
Wildrose: 24
NDP: 23
Lib: 15

In the last election, the NDP got about 16% in greater Edmonton (18% in the city itself), winning two seats and narrowly losing two more. This time, the NDP is up 7% and there are better vote splits shaping up.
The gap between the Con and Wildrose is large enough that you may also be able to avoid "strategic voting." The NDP is almost in second place.

Aristotleded24
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Howard wrote:

Lou Arab wrote:

Northern-54 wrote:

Latest poll results from Alberta:

 

Wildrose 36%
Conservative 34%
NDP 13%
Liberal 13%



The Edmonton regional breakdown is very encouraging:

Con: 33
Wildrose: 24
NDP: 23
Lib: 15

In the last election, the NDP got about 16% in greater Edmonton (18% in the city itself), winning two seats and narrowly losing two more. This time, the NDP is up 7% and there are better vote splits shaping up.
The gap between the Con and Wildrose is large enough that you may also be able to avoid "strategic voting." The NDP is almost in second place.


The flip side of that could see Wildrose supporters voting strategically for the PCs to stop the NDP.

Hurtin Albertan
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To stop the NDP from what exactly?  I just don't see anyone doing that kind of math.  I think the NDP will do well this election but considering they currently have 2 seats it's hard to envision a scenario where they could do worse.  If anything I'd think it more likely that a WRA supporter, especially in Edmonton, would vote strategically for the NDP to stop the PC's from winning one more seat.  Far as I know the NDP only wins seats in Edmonton and maybe Calgary, for whatever reason they don't seem to win outside of the big cities.

Anyways some polls out now have the PC's tied with the WRA.  I still think the PC's will hold on for one more election victory.  At the end of the day I think a lot of people will go into the voting booth and end up saying "Why rock the boat?  I'm doing OK under the PC's.  Why take a chance with this new party?"

Sure is making for an interesting election this time around.


Howard
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I guess if I was the NDP, I would look for opportunities to get away with the "we're in second place in Edmonton" argument. That way, the NDP can be the voice for change, if people want it, in Edmonton.

Strategic voting in this next election is going to be either for or against the WRA. They are the lightning rods of this campaign. In Edmonton, a strategic vote to throw the PCs out might actually be an NDP vote. For instance, the NDP has a chance to pick off a PC incumbent in Edmonton-Glenora.


Robo
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Hurtin Albertan wrote:

Far as I know the NDP only wins seats in Edmonton and maybe Calgary, for whatever reason they don't seem to win outside of the big cities.

The 1986 and 1989 elections were the apex of NDP support in Alberta. In those two elections, the NDP won two seats in Calgary and the ridings of Stony Plain (near Edmonton) and Vegreville; as well Athabasca-Lac La Biche was won in 1986 and West Yellowhead was won in 1989.

adma
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And, of course, Grant Notley represented a rural riding: Spirit River-Fairview.


Wilf Day
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Robo wrote:
Athabasca-Lac La Biche was won in 1986 and West Yellowhead was won in 1989.

In the 2008 election, the NDP got 24.70% in Peace River, 15.07% in Dunvegan-Central Peace, 13.49% in West Yellowhead, and 11.13% in Athabasca-Redwater.

Howard wrote:
the NDP has a chance to pick off a PC incumbent in Edmonton-Glenora.

Where the NDP got 15.11% in 2008.


Howard
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bekayne
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Wilf Day wrote:

Howard wrote:
the NDP has a chance to pick off a PC incumbent in Edmonton-Glenora.

Where the NDP got 15.11% in 2008.

Mainly due to vote splitting & a prominent candidate. PC incumbent, former Liberal MLA, former NDP leader, Mayoralty runner up as the Wildrose candidate. Even the Alberta Party candidate is a former interim leader of the party. Might be able to win with under 30%.


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Howard
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The debate tonight could very well give the Alberta NDP a boost. The NDP often (not always) gets a boost just from having the publicity alone. The NDP's ideas are not as unpopular as the party's polling numbers suggest. It's also a story of no one noticing the NDP('s ideas). Most Albertans will not watch the debates, but some will, and the media will certainly be tuned in and report on it.


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NorthReport
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Some of the mainstream press are suggesting Smith lost tonite - did anyone here watch it?


Lou Arab
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How did the debate affect your thoughts on each leader?
Brian Mason - net improvement of 27%
Danielle Smith - net improvement of 10%
Raj Sherman - net improvement of 1%
Alison Redford - net worsening of 15%

 

Link


bekayne
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Lou Arab wrote:

How did the debate affect your thoughts on each leader?
Brian Mason - net improvement of 27%
Danielle Smith - net improvement of 10%
Raj Sherman - net improvement of 1%
Alison Redford - net worsening of 15%

 

Link

Here's the complete Ipsos poll:

http://www.ipsos-na.com/news-polls/pressrelease.aspx?id=5587


Howard
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Does anyone know if Lori Sigurdson (candidate in Edmonton-Riverview) is related to Tom Sigurdson?


Northern-54
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Interactive poll about the debate at the following url:

 

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/Poll+Alberta+leaders+debate/6450297/...


NorthReport
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Thanks Lou, that's great news, as it appears that Wildrose will have the most number of seats after all is said and done.

Lou Arab wrote:

How did the debate affect your thoughts on each leader?
Brian Mason - net improvement of 27%
Danielle Smith - net improvement of 10%
Raj Sherman - net improvement of 1%
Alison Redford - net worsening of 15%

 

Link


quizzical
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NorthReport wrote:
Some of the mainstream press are suggesting Smith lost tonite - did anyone here watch it?

It was a disgusting display. And shame on Carrie Doll for allowing Smith and Redford to be  ugly in personal attack words and tone all debate, making it so no one could get a word in edgewise.  NDP dude was trying to get 'em to stop even. I switched it off as it was so toxic.


West Coast Greeny
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Don't suppose you watched the Republican debates, did you quizzical?

I find it hard to see many PC/Wildrose voters crossing over to vote Liberal/NDP, so in my head I'm starting to break down the race into three separate battles.

1) The battle between Redford and Smith for the conservative vote
2) The battle between Sherman and Mason for the progressive vote 
3) The battle between Redford and Sherman and Mason to capture progressive votes inclined to vote stratigically against Wildrose

I'd say that Smith has just locked the conservative vote, Mason came across as a far more credible progressive leader, and Redford hasn't drawn many more progressives into her shrinking (Alberta-)centrist PC tent.

Frankly, Redford's campaign strategy is terrible. She seems to be making a play for progressives by touting her Red Toryness. This kind of strategy is only losing her every single seat in Rural Alberta and most seats in Calgary.  

What, she should be doing, frankly, is trying to scare the daylights out of Albertans about the prospect of a radical, inexperienced, Smith government. It's probably the only way she'll win this campaign. 


Lou Arab
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Howard wrote:

Does anyone know if Lori Sigurdson (candidate in Edmonton-Riverview) is related to Tom Sigurdson?

She's not related. 

But we all agree on the need for another Sigurdson in the legislature.


quizzical
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West Coast Greeny wrote:
Don't suppose you watched the Republican debates, did you quizzical?


What, she should be doing, frankly, is trying to scare the daylights out of Albertans about the prospect of a radical, inexperienced, Smith government. It's probably the only way she'll win this campaign. 

na am barely Canadian political tryin hard though on that front

i actually went to watch the Big Bang Theory and found the debate or would'nt've seen the mash up.

maybe if albertans who are commatose get a good dose of the 'religious' radical fringe they will rethink everything??? okay maybe that is taking it too far but somethin over there has gotta give.


Howard
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Lou Arab wrote:

Howard wrote:

Does anyone know if Lori Sigurdson (candidate in Edmonton-Riverview) is related to Tom Sigurdson?

She's not related. 

But we all agree on the need for another Sigurdson in the legislature.

Smile

Tom Sigurdson was a great MLA. One of the bright spots of this campaign is the quality of the Alberta NDP candidates. The Edmonton slate in particular, is something to be proud of.


NorthReport
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When is E-Day - Monday, April 23 ??


NDP rally for final push to the ballot box


http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/rally+final+push+ballot/6455425/story.html


NorthReport
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Trouble for frontrunners in provincial election

http://edmonton.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20120406/CGY_provincial_...


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