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BC Election May 9 '17

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NorthReport

Not a chance!

Canada’s New Democrats Can Learn from Trump - Or Lose

Trump won because he targeted working class voters. Will NDP finally do the same?

And that means class is back as the most dominant factor in politics, including here in Canada and British Columbia.

And that means class is back as the most dominant factor in politics, including here in Canada and British Columbia.

If the NDP looks past the Trump trash talk and focuses on his incredibly successful targeted message, it could benefit mightily in B.C. and across the country.

But if it replicates Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton’s spectacularly failed campaign, more depressing defeats are inevitable.

Clinton did not make the same direct appeal to workers as Trump. Instead, she used identity politics. 

As author John D. Judas wrote in the Washington Post: “Many Democrats have believed that a coalition of minorities, millennials and single women would help create a new Democratic majority for years to come. Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign was counting on it.”

“Why did the Democrats’ strategy fail so miserably? Ultimately, because they overestimated the strength of a coalition based on identity politics,” he concludes.

Class trumps race, gender and sexual identity and policy issues like climate change, health care, education, foreign relations or anything else. 

That’s because class is still the single strongest indicator of voting preference — not the only one, just the most significant. And it has always been critical in B.C.

If you asked me to identify how a roomful of strangers would vote in a provincial election and I could only ask them one question, it would be “what is your income?” If you gave me two questions, I’d ask their occupation next. 

Ironically, the NDP — founded by labour unions, farmers and progressives in 1961 — talks almost exclusively about the “middle class” rather than the working class, while billionaire businessman Trump doesn’t hesitate to use the term or appeal directly to workers. 

While Clinton’s slogans were “Stronger Together” and the self-important “I’m With Her,” Trump was identifying both the problem and his solution in just four words: “Make America Great Again.”

And while Clinton talked about her aspirations for the country, Trump spoke directly to his working class target audience about their fears and needs — in their language.

“The political establishment that is trying to stop us is the same group responsible for our disastrous trade deals, massive illegal immigration and economic and foreign policies that have bled our country dry,” Trump said in “Argument for America,” a two-minute video shared online in the last week of the campaign which has more than 8 million views.

“The political establishment has brought about the destruction of our factories and our jobs as they flee to Mexico, China and other countries all around the world. 

“It’s a global power structure that is responsible for the economic decisions that have robbed our working class, stripped our country of its wealth and put that money into pockets into a handful of large corporations and political entities,” Trump says.

“The only thing that can stop this corrupt machine is you. The only force strong enough to save our country is us... you the American people.”

Pow! Powerful language — “robbed our working class” — that borrows from and goes even further than labour leaders and left-wingers like Clinton’s Democratic nomination opponent Bernie Sanders. 

In fact, Sanders said of Trump’s victory: “Donald Trump tapped into the anger of a declining middle class that is sick and tired of establishment economics, establishment politics and the establishment media.

 

 

http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2016/11/15/NDP-Can-Learn-from-Trump/

iyraste1313

Thanks for this!

iyraste1313

“Democratic Socialism” in America, Blueprint for a New Party: Bernie Sanders By Sen. Bernie Sanders and Seth Ackerman Global Research, November 16, 2016 Monthly Review 16 November 2016

Treetop

B.C. Liberals announce former Global morning anchor Steve Darling as new candidate. Darling joins former Global senior reporter Jas Johal as party candidate

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/steve-darling-global-bc-l...

 

The BCL had to can a previous hack in Randy Rinaldo for the nomination earlier this year when some of his previous tweets came back to haunt him. 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/randy-rinaldo-withdraws-b...

"Child poverty is a cultural problem' and many people 'shouldn't be having kids"

 

quizzical

2 pre-election actions by the BC Liberals should be payed attention too imv.

if we don't we're going to get them after the election if the BC Liberals get again. the Liberals will say we announced prior to the election.

1. a huge jump in ICBC rates maybe 45%

2. a BC hydro transmission rate

and here's John Horgan pissing around with making a half assed commitment on grizzly hunts. not a mention of increassed ICBC rates and imposing transmission fees.

ffs how can i vote them?

 

NorthReport

John Horgan thinks banning Grizzly Beat Hunting in BC is going to win the election for the BC NDP.  Idiots are in control of the BC NDP.

mark_alfred
NorthReport

Good luck running against this sentiment. My hunch is that the BC NDP running against jobs will lose around 10 seats in '17 

Oil Rally Makes It All Good for Canadian Markets

Canada’s getting its mojo back.

Prospects for the country turned a corner this week as OPEC put a floor under oil prices, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau approved two oil pipeline projects and economic data surprised to the upside, offering relief after two years of lackluster growth on crude’s rout.

The trifecta of good news, along with forecasts for a Trump-inspired resurgence in the U.S., prompted some analysts to post bullish forecasts for the economy and the stock market -- already the best-performing among the world’s best developed markets.

“The resource opportunity for Canada is something that’s worked out well and should continue,” said Derek Young, president of Fidelity Investments’ Global Asset Allocation unit, in a phone interview from Boston on Thursday. Fidelity manages about $2.1 trillion in assets. “In terms of commodity exposure, Canada is well-positioned.”

The benchmark S&P/TSX Composite Index closed down 0.4 percent to 15,027.53 in Toronto on Thursday, just off its highest level in 18 months after completing the fifth straight month of gains in November -- the longest stretch of wins since April 2014. The market has advanced 16 percent this year, well ahead of second-place Norway at about 10 percent.

Matt Barasch, chief Canadian equity strategist with RBC Capital Markets, expects Canadian equities to continue their bull run over at least the next year, forecasting the S&P/TSX to surge to a record 16,300 over the coming 18 months -- implying about a 12 percent total return from current levels.

Already Celebrating

This coming year “sets up well for Canadian stocks,” with the potential to extend its streak of outperformance against U.S. stocks for at least another year, Barasch said in the report.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-12-01/it-s-all-good-for-can...

NorthReport

Sure the NDP is going to do well in May '17, sure they are!  Frown

Unfortunately NDPers are not selling what voters want. Like good jobs to help families pay their mortgages, feed their families, and pay for their kids to get a decent education and to cover their health care costs. The BC Liberals on the other hand do know what voters want and are offering it. 

It's all over now but the counting of the ballots. Too bad!

Right wingers rank as most popular premiers in Angus Reid Institute poll

http://www.straight.com/news/844396/right-wingers-rank-most-popular-prem...

quizzical

could ya shrink the graph?

Basement Dweller
kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

[quote=Basement Dweller]

Well this is unfortunate: http://www.straight.com/news/849096/vancouver-island-new-democrat-georgi...

WTH

Death threats?!

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Here's a link. Its hard to know what to make of the story since there are so few facts in it.

http://www.straight.com/news/849096/vancouver-island-new-democrat-georgi...

Centrist

[quote=kropotkin1951]

[quote=Basement Dweller]

Well this is unfortunate: http://www.straight.com/news/849096/vancouver-island-new-democrat-georgi...

WTH

Death threats?!

[/quote]

Here's a link. Its hard to know what to make of the story since there are so few facts in it.

http://www.straight.com/news/849096/vancouver-island-new-democrat-georgi...

[/quote]

 

Well... here...

 

https://www.scribd.com/document/335326856/Copy-of-leaked-lawyers-letter#...

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

[quote=NorthReport]

Sure the NDP is going to do well in May '17, sure they are!  Frown

Unfortunately NDPers are not selling what voters want. Like good jobs to help families pay their mortgages, feed their families, and pay for their kids to get a decent education and to cover their health care costs. The BC Liberals on the other hand do know what voters want and are offering it. 

It's all over now but the counting of the ballots. Too bad!

Right wingers rank as most popular premiers in Angus Reid Institute poll

http://www.straight.com/news/844396/right-wingers-rank-most-popular-prem...

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The BCNDP couldn't support Kinder Morgan and still be different from the BC Liberals on anything important.  There's no way to do environmentally safe megaprojects and Kinder Morgan doesn't even offer all that many jobs. 

Edzell Edzell's picture

http://www.straight.com/news/849096/vancouver-island-new-democrat-georgi...

[QUOTE]"Looking back on the campaign and the political process generally, partisan politics can cause people to say things about each other that might not otherwise be said more charitably or with more understanding. In so many cases, it seems to me there is a better way than the current partisan process to move what is really at issue forward in a positive and productive way. Empathy and equanimity are key. I am resolute in my belief that there is a better way to do politics and I look forward to continuing to work within and for my community toward a better future for all."[/QUOTE]

If this is genuine I'd vote for this woman any day; but she'd never survive in Canadian politics - more's the pity.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

[quote=Centrist]

[quote=kropotkin1951]

[quote=Basement Dweller]

Well this is unfortunate: http://www.straight.com/news/849096/vancouver-island-new-democrat-georgi...

WTH

Death threats?!

[/quote]

Here's a link. Its hard to know what to make of the story since there are so few facts in it.

http://www.straight.com/news/849096/vancouver-island-new-democrat-georgi...

[/quote]

 

Well... here...

 

https://www.scribd.com/document/335326856/Copy-of-leaked-lawyers-letter#...

[/quote]

Thanks for that. The party needs to step up to the plate and at minimum censure the person responsible for the inappropriate e-mails and issue a sincere apology and an open door to continue on seeking the nomination.

Basement Dweller

[quote=kropotkin1951]

Thanks for that. The party needs to step up to the plate and at minimum censure the person responsible for the inappropriate e-mails and issue a sincere apology and an open door to continue on seeking the nomination.

[/quote]

Agreed, just because the offender has obviously been around for a long-time and has connections should not keep him from getting the appropriate discipline. This kind of crap drives a lot of good people from politics.

 

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

Agreed.  

 

NorthReport

The BC NDP already with their no jobs policy, and now this stink, will no doubt be losing seats this coming election. My hunch is the BC NDP will drop 10 seats on May 9 '17. The Greens may pick up a few seats though.

[quote=kropotkin1951]

[quote=Centrist]

[quote=kropotkin1951]

[quote=Basement Dweller]

Well this is unfortunate: http://www.straight.com/news/849096/vancouver-island-new-democrat-georgi...

WTH

Death threats?!

[/quote]

Here's a link. Its hard to know what to make of the story since there are so few facts in it.

http://www.straight.com/news/849096/vancouver-island-new-democrat-georgi...

[/quote]

 

Well... here...

 

https://www.scribd.com/document/335326856/Copy-of-leaked-lawyers-letter#...

[/quote]

Thanks for that. The party needs to step up to the plate and at minimum censure the person responsible for the inappropriate e-mails and issue a sincere apology and an open door to continue on seeking the nomination.

[/quote]

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

The BCNDP does not have a "no jobs" policy. 

Basement Dweller
epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

Democracy Watch takes B.C. conflict case to court

British Columbia's Supreme Court will be asked to hear a case Thursday that seeks to set aside two rulings made by the conflict of interest commissioner involving Premier Christy Clark.

Democracy Watch co-founder Duff Conacher says his group will be in court in Vancouver to argue that its petitions to overturn the rulings should go ahead.

Conflict commissioner Paul Fraser has applied to have the case dismissed, arguing his rulings are protected by legislative privilege and are not subject to review by the courts.

The rulings made last May and August cleared Clark of conflict allegations connected to her attendance at B.C. Liberal party fundraising events.

Conacher says the Conflict of Interest Act doesn't include any clauses that would prevent a judicial review.

The officer of the conflict of interest commissioner declined to comment on the case....

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

It’s time to confront the exploitation of B.C.’s environment

The environment in British Columbia has taken a beating since the arrival of Captain James Cook at Nootka Sound in 1778, when his crew traded small items for rich sea-otter furs.

The pelts were later sold in China for up to $300 apiece, which would be equivalent to roughly $5,000 today. So the fur trade stirred its own kind of gold fever, and in no time Pacific Coast sea otters were on the verge of extinction.

In 1858, the Fraser Canyon gold rush pushed resource extraction to a whole new level, as 30,000 gold seekers sluiced gravel on every bar and at every stream mouth from Hope to Lillooet. Nobody ever recorded what environmental damage was done in that frenzy, but that's where a lot of the Fraser's salmon spawned. At any rate, it set a pattern that has been repeated since, with resource extraction taking precedence over habitat protection and aboriginal rights.

Gold. Fur. Forests. Coal. Hydro power. LNG. Oil....

NorthReport

The politically deaf BC NDP don't stand a chance

Thank goodness the clueless BC NDP will be crushed in the May 9th election

https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/bc-ndp-leader-joh...

NorthReport

Thanks for this John Horgan Carol James and Craig Keating

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/national/mike+smyth+legal+threats+afte...

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

So NR who are you supporting the BC Liberals or the BC Conservatives?

NorthReport

Avoiding the issue does not make it go away, and krop your response is just another example of the typical useless NDP responses to serious problems which will now probably cost the NDP that seat. You might want to pray that the damage to the NDP is limited to that one seat.

NorthReport

It's already over and we are still 4 months away from the election. Unfortunately this time it will be a rout.

Christy Clark dons hard hat in quest for 5th Liberal mandate, hammers out jobs platform

http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/christy-clark-dons-hard-hat-in-quest-for-...

NorthReport

It's already over and we are still 4 months away from the election. And this time it will be a rout.

Christy Clark dons hard hat in quest for 5th Liberal mandate, hammers out jobs platform

http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/christy-clark-dons-hard-hat-in-quest-for-...

jerrym

[quote=NorthReport]

Avoiding the issue does not make it go away, [/quote]

 

Yes the issue of global warming isn't going away, despite your and Christy's ignoring its impacts.

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 To date, including 2015, 15 of the 16 warmest years on record have occurred during the 21st century. 1998 is currently tied with 2009 as the sixth warmest year on record.

Overall, the global annual temperature has increased at an average rate of 0.07°C (0.13°F) per decade since 1880 and at an average rate of 0.17°C (0.31°F) per decade since 1970.

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https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/201513

 

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

So you didn't answer me NR. We know you don't support the BC NDP so who is it you think should be Premier? Are you endorsing Christie?

wage zombie

NR is getting even more bullish about Christie Clark than he was about Mulcair.

quizzical

so many things to say so little time......

the globe and mail article though true in some ways it makes me question its real propaganda point. its got no solution no way forward just the same usual appealing to splitting the vote on the left imv.

the whole of Canada is one big resource extraction pit and has been since the beginning of colonialization. BC is no more unusual than any other province or country in the world both now and throughout history.

i'd love for it all to stop and the production and use toxic chemicals but i need to see a vision of how we can get there not more articles on what we already know. it makes me feel hopeless and feel just maybe all humans should go extinct.

it's not healthy to feel like this and it's no wonder so many people are freaking about sjw.

it's like an abusive partner always critical and demeaning but partaking of the same damn products brought to us by resource extraction we all have an use.

 

 

Edzell Edzell's picture

quizzical, I think the only way Canada could get away from being a mainly resource-extraction economy would be for the population to take on some of the character of early settlers who were prepared to endure harsh, even impoverished conditions to build what it was they wanted to achieve. I see no sign of that on the horizon. I'm saying something like "you can't build a manufacturing economy while prematurely enjoying the lifestyle it would ultimately support."

 

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

..txs for your post quizzical. your post remined me of this poet who speaks of a colonialization.

Rafeef Ziadah - 'We teach life, sir'

jerrym

More evidence that the change from fossi fuels to renewables is causiing a major shift global investments. The question that remains is will it be fast enough. Note that the data is from business and investment organizations, not simply a reflection of environmentalists' dreams. 

 

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Bloomberg New Energy Finance has a must-read piece for investors on how the smart money is beginning to notice the quicksand on which fossil fuel stock prices are built.

clean energy investment

We reported back in April that BNEF said 70 percent of new power generation capacity added between 2012 and 2030 will be from renewable technologies (including large hydro).

Indeed, BNEF founder Michael Liebreich posed a good news, bad news story back then:

“By 2030, the growth in fossil fuel use will almost have stopped,” Liebreich told renewable-energy investors…. “We’re told that it needs to happen by 2020” in order to prevent irreversible climate damage. “That won’t happen. But by 2030, it pretty much will.”

Yes, homo “sapiens” will miss by just 10 years or so the window to avert catastrophic climate change — resulting in possibly hundreds of years of misery for billions and billions of people. The tragic irony is the fossil fuel industry is essentially doomed no matter what — but humanity wouldn’t be, if we were just a tad more “sapiens.”

We reported in August that a Goldman Sachs research paper concluded the “window for profitable investment in coal mining is closing” — same for for coal exports.

Now BNEF points out that much the same is true for oil investments:

Last month 70 investors representing $3 trillion of assets under management sent letters to oil-and-gas companies asking them to disclose plans for adapting to a world that may be edging closer to peak fossil fuels. That’s the point when humans stop increasing their annual burn – either because the environmental danger makes it too costly or because buildings and cars run more efficiently. BNEF says peak demand could happen in 2030.

The risk: Oil and coal companies worth more than $7 trillion may be sinking billions of dollars today into projects that will never make sense to finish.

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jerrym

 

This investment in renewable energy has led to a dramatic growht in employment related to renewable energy.

 

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More than 8.1 million people are now employed by the renewable energy industry worldwide, an increase of five percent over last year, according to the International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA).

The number of renewable energy jobs worldwide went up in 2015 while jobs in the broader energy sector fell. In the United States, for example, renewable energy jobs increased six percent, but employment in oil and gas fell 18 percent.

That’s perhaps not surprising, as renewable energy continues to break records. According to the US Energy Information Administration (EIA), utility-scale electrical generation from renewable sources like solar and wind hit an all-time high of 16.89 percent of the country’s total electricity generation in the first quarter of 2016. During the same time period in 2015, renewable energy's share of net generation was just 14 percent. Distributed solar photovoltaic and wind energy have also continue to grow quickly, the EIA found.

China has seen huge growth in its clean energy sector and now employs 3.5 million people, whereas oil and gas employ just 2.6 million. The countries with the most renewable energy jobs in 2015 were Brazil, China, Germany, India, Japan, and the US, according to IRENA.

 

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https://www.desmogblog.com/2016/05/27/renewable-energy-jobs-keep-growing...

 

 

jerrym

In 2016, the business magazine Fortune reported that "US solar jobs soar while oil, coal struggle".  There are large opportunities in this and other renewable industries in BC and Canada if we shift our investments, both public and private, in that direction.  

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The rapid rise of solar continues as some traditional fossil fuel industries shed jobs.

More Americans are now installing solar panels on building rooftops than mining coal or extracting oil and gas, according to a report released Tuesday by the non-profit solar advocacy group The Solar Foundation. ...

The U.S. solar industry grew dramatically in 2015, and is expected to continue to do so this year. The industry now employs 209,000 workers after adding over 35,000 jobs last year. By the end of this year, its ranks are expected to grow to 240,000 workers.

The solar sector employs 77% more workers than the U.S. coal mining industry does today, according to The Solar Foundation report. The coal industry now employs a little less than 70,000 workers, notes the report. ...

There were 185,000 workers employed in the business of extracting oil and gas in the U.S. as of the end of 2015. ...

While the sheer numbers of solar workers is large, it’s the growth rate that’s more impressive. The solar industry’s employment has grown 123% since 2010. It grew 20.2% just over the past year.

Last year, the solar sector added workers at a rate that was almost 12 times faster than the overall economy, says the report. In fact, 1.2% of all jobs—or 1 in 83 jobs—created in the U.S. last year were solar jobs.

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http://fortune.com/2016/01/12/solar-jobs-boom/ 

 

 

 

jerrym

The business news network Bloomberg News 2016 report is summarizes the situation in its title "Wind and Sollar Are Crushing Fossil Fuels".

BC and Canada as a whole seems by and large to not recognize how profound this shift from fossil fuels to renewables actually is, and continues on the fossi fuel path. It iis thus in danger of being left behind in the buggy whip industry of the 21st century.  

 

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Wind and solar have grown seemingly unstoppable.

While two years of crashing prices for oil, natural gas, and coal triggered dramatic downsizing in those industries, renewables have been thriving. Clean energy investment broke new records in 2015 and is now seeing twice as much global funding as fossil fuels.

One reason is that renewable energy is becoming ever cheaper to produce. Recent solar and wind auctions in Mexico and Morocco ended with winning bids from companies that promised to produce electricity at the cheapest rate, from any source, anywhere in the world, said Michael Liebreich, chairman of the advisory board for Bloomberg New Energy Finance (BNEF).  

"We're in a low-cost-of-oil environment for the foreseeable future," Liebreich said during his keynote address at the BNEF Summit in New York on Tuesday. "Did that stop renewable energy investment? Not at all."

Here's what's shaping power markets, in six charts from BNEF:

Renewables are beating fossil fuels 2 to 1Investment in Power Capacity, 2008-2015Investment in Power Capacity, 2008-2015  Source: BNEF, UNEP

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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-04-06/wind-and-solar-are-cru...

 

 

jerrym

On the other hand, the global energy picture is changing extremely rapidly with renewable energy investment increasing sixfold in the last decade to surpass fossil fuel investment, stimulating a large growth in green energy jobs globally. At the same time, fossil fuel investment and jobs are in decline. 

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The race for renewable energy has passed a turning point. The world is now adding more capacity for renewable power each year than coal, natural gas, and oil combined. And there's no going back. 

The shift occurred in 2013, when the world added 143 gigawatts of renewable electricity capacity, compared with 141 gigawatts in new plants that burn fossil fuels, according to an analysis presented Tuesday at the Bloomberg New Energy Finance annual summit in New York. The shift will continue to accelerate, and by 2030 more than four times as much renewable capacity will be added. 

"The electricity system is shifting to clean,'' Michael Liebreich, founder of BNEF, said in his keynote address. "Despite the change in oil and gas prices there is going to be a substantial buildout of renewable energy that is likely to be an order of magnitude larger than the buildout of coal and gas."

The Beginning of the EndPower generation capacity additions (GW)

Power generation capacity additions (GW)  Bloomberg New Energy Finance

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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-04-14/fossil-fuels-just-lost...

 

Edzell Edzell's picture

[quote=jerrym]

[quote=NorthReport]

Avoiding the issue does not make it go away, [/quote]

Yes the issue of global warming isn't going away, despite your and Christy's ignoring its impacts.

[/quote]

This thread, and NR's comment quoted above, are about the BC election, not global warming

Edzell Edzell's picture

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jerrym

The Pembina Institute has created a Clean Energy map of BC showing where renweable energy jobs exist in BC and is growing despite the relatively little support it receives from the BC Liberals. 

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Their study found 14,100 jobs in the renewable energy sector in British Columbia. Penelope Comette, director of clean energy economy for the Pembina Institute, says they created the Clean Energy Jobs Map to visualize what and where these jobs are. (In the interest of transparency, Green Energy Futures is a project of the Pembina Institute).

The map shows 5,800 jobs with conventional large hydro and the remaining 8,300 jobs split between run-of-river, biogas, biomass, wind and solar. About 7,700 of those jobs are direct jobs. ....

For Robert Baxter, the journey to green jobs began with a few solar courses at BCIT, after completing his liberal arts and business university degrees. His job in the beginning involved bolting solar modules on buildings. Now he designs systems and his renewable energy coop is hiring. That is the story of renewable energy, many jobs spread out over a wide geography.

Surprisingly, B.C. has very little support for renewable energy itself.

“If we were to see something like a feed-in tariff program here in BC, I think things would go absolutely crazy,” says Baxter. “There’s so much pent-up demand. Right now, the economics are still fairly long term. If we can make the economics more short term, we’d definitely see a huge increase in business.”

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http://www.greenenergyfutures.ca/episode/renewable-energy-jobs

 

 

 

Edzell Edzell's picture

[quote=jerrym] NR's whole argument for voting BC Liberal is based on it providing lots of jobs. I dispute this electoral approach[/quote]

If that's truly his whole argument, then that's what you should respond to, or start another thread instead of brutally hijacking this one.

Edzell Edzell's picture

jerrym you have wrongly attributed a comment to me which I did not make. It is  in fact your own comment. See below, and please correct.[quote=jerrym]

 

[quote=Edzell]

[quote=jerrym]

[quote=NorthReport]

Avoiding the issue does not make it go away, [/quote]

Yes the issue of global warming isn't going away, despite your and Christy's ignoring its impacts.

[/quote]

This thread, and NR's comment quoted above, are about the BC election, not global warming

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What one believes about global warming and employment related to the type of energy jobs developed in BC will be central in this election. In addition, NR's whole argument for voting BC Liberal is based on it providing lots of jobs. I dispute this electoral approach on both environmental, economic and employment grounds.

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epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

..edzell there is a history re north report that goes a long way into the pipeline lng threads. he of course being in favour. others provided much info showing what a disaster this would be. nr could not provide info to counter this. instead he has used the manipulations by the bc gov over the electoral process as proof and validity of his position.

jerrym

[quote=quizzical]

the whole of Canada is one big resource extraction pit and has been since the beginning of colonialization. BC is no more unusual than any other province or country in the world both now and throughout history.

i'd love for it all to stop and the production and use toxic chemicals but i need to see a vision of how we can get there not more articles on what we already know. it makes me feel hopeless and feel just maybe all humans should go extinct.

it's not healthy to feel like this and it's no wonder so many people are freaking about sjw.

it's like an abusive partner always critical and demeaning but partaking of the same damn products brought to us by resource extraction we all have an use.

[/quote]

 

You should not consider Canada's record with regard to combatting global warming typical of the rest of the world. It isn't. We were ranked dead last in combating global warming amongst developed nations under Harper. Trudeau's climate change plan is now countered by his pipeline approvals, which when combined with Trump's Keystone pipeline upcoming approval and BC's LNG projects, leaving us largely dependent on fossil fuels, as much of the rest of the world shifts away from fossil fuels.

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there's one category in which Canada ranks dead last among industrialized nations: its efforts to combat climate change.

"The Climate Change Performance Index," published annually by Germanwatch and Climate Action Network Europe, lists Canada among the world's worst at no. 58.

climate change rankings

The report assigned scores to different countries based on factors such as emission levels, efficiency, renewable energy and climate policy.

And while the authors say that "no single country is yet on track to prevent dangerous climate change," they are especially tough on Canada, saying it "still shows no intention of moving forward with climate policy and therefore remains the worst performer of all [industrialized] countries."

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http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/10/21/canada-climate-change-ranking-oe...

 

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Canada “has the dubious honor of being the only developed country with an environment score which has gone down since we first calculated the CDI [in 2003],” the report said. “This reflects rising fossil fuel production and its withdrawal from the Kyoto Protocol, the world’s only treaty governing the emissions of heat-trapping gasses. Canada has dropped below the U.S. into bottom place on the environment component.”

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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/canada-dead-last-in-oecd-ranki...

 

jerrym

As the last post noted, 15 of the last 16 years have been the warmest ever. 2016 will make it 16 out of 17.

While it will be a few weeks before the official final analysis of data for 2016 is tabulated and released, The United Nations' World Meteorolgoical Organization stated in November that 2016 will be the warmest year ever since data began being collected in 1880, breaking the previous record set in 2015, which broke the record set in 2014. 

Governments and people will ignore this at their peril. Those who ignore Nature's warnings always lose in the long run.

 

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World Meteorological Organisation figures show global temperature is 1.2C above pre-industrial levels and will set a new high for the third year running

A heatwave in India where temperatures were recorded at 51.0C. Climate change means the occurrence and impact of extreme weather events has risen.  

A heatwave in India where temperatures were recorded at 51.0C. Climate change means the occurrence and impact of extreme weather events has risen. Photograph: NurPhoto/Getty Images

2016 will very likely be the hottest year on record and a new high for the third year in a row, according to the UN. It means 16 of the 17 hottest years on record will have been this century.

The scorching temperatures around the world, and the extreme weather they drive, mean the impacts of climate change on people are coming sooner and with more ferocity than expected, according to scientists.

The World Meteorological Organization (WMO) report, published on Monday at the global climate summit in Morocco, found the global temperature in 2016 is running 1.2C above pre-industrial levels. This is perilously close to to the 1.5C target included as an aim of the Paris climate agreement last December.

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https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/nov/14/2016-will-be-the-hot...

 

Edzell Edzell's picture

[quote=jerrym]Sorry about the misquote above Edzell.[/quote]

You could have left it at that but you took it the opportunity to pile on more wads of stuff supporting your personal beliefs.

If you think I'm going to spend hours of my time wading through the barrage of glaring eye strain you try to beat us over the head with, you're out of your tree.

The irony is I probably agree with a lot of it but I'm not putting on my hip waders to work my way through the thick swamp of it, to find out. Your posts are like the concerts I've walked out of because however much I might like the music, it's just too bloody loud and an arrogant affront to my ears.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

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..edzell there is a history re north report that goes a long way into the pipeline lng threads. he of course being in favour. others provided much info showing what a disaster this would be. nr could not provide info to counter this. instead he has used the manipulations by the bc gov over the electoral process as proof and validity of his position.

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Just sent you a pm with a question about this.  Thought I'd mention that here since the alert system for pm's doesn't seem to exist anymore.

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