BC May 9, 2017 Election Results and Comments

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jerrym

The bitumen coming out of a Kinder Morgan proposed enlarged pipeline may have been the deciding factor in the Greens deciding not to support the Liberals.

On CBC, Norman Spector, who was involved on behalf of the Greens in inter-party negotiations, said the negotiations with both the Liberals and NDP were amiable, but when Weaver brought up the blocking of the pipeline because of possibility of bitumen flowing into Vancouver Harbour and got no support from the Liberals, Weaver physically recoiled from the table and soon told Liberal Brad Bennett (Premier Bill Bennett's son) "We need a timeout".

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jas wrote:

Wow. When I read Stockholm's prediction today, I thought "Dream on..." I am also happy to be wrong.

However, this is a very tenuous arrangement. Weaver still has the upper hand. If there is any collusion with the Libs, Weaver can bring down the govt on a moment's notice. With this degree of instability, I would have rather it be the Libs at the helm. Better to deep-six them with.

This would be politically dumb and electoral suicide for the Greens.

The Greens want a four year agreement in order to bring in a proportional representation system, which will take a minimum of two years, probably longer with a referendum. Such a system would have given the Greens 15 seats instead of 3 in this election. Defeat the NDP and the chance to introduce a change that would be most favourable to the Greens is gone. 

Defeating the NDP, would mean most Green voters would not trust whatever they put forward as a platform, not simply  because they did not live up to the agreement with the NDP, but because they also failed to try implement as much of the proportional representation or the environmental, educational, childcare, healthcare and transit policies as they could and that they previously said were core issues. 

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Here's hoping the Greens and the NDP eventually merge but that requires work to be started ASAP!

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But Horgan needs to move quickly and do all the heavy lifting and the dirty or rather uncomfortable and unpopular work now, the sooner the better. For example let's have Labour Project Agreements with Organized Labour for any project whatsoever that has any government connection.

For example do people have a clue when the last time a school in BC was build by Organized Labour? 

Let's immediately gut the Labour Relations Board and for once put people who represent the workers in charge!

Let's make BC the easiest jurisdiction on the planet to organize!

JKR

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Here's hoping the Greens and the NDP eventually merge but that requires work to be started ASAP!

If proportional representation is established there will be no need for a merger.

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If the NDP and the Greens merged they would become unbeatable.

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waitng on christy now.....

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So is Kevin but not for much longer.......

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Macleans, eh!

The right-wing knives are already out.

NDP-Green pact lowers curtain on B.C. Liberal reign

A whirlwind of wheeling, dealing and cruel politicking puts an end to the Libs’ 16-year run. They have no one to blame but themselves.

Fighting words those may be, but the reality is: the gig is up. Clark could attempt to table a Throne Speech and budget, but it will be defeated, unless she somehow manages to turn an NDP MLA. She could ask Lt. Gov. Judy Guichon to call an election, but with a viable governing alternative waiting in the wings, that request would surely be denied. She could try to run the clock by declining to recall the assembly before summer, hoping angst over pipelines, progressive governance and a new voting system hit a boil, then go to Guichon, pointing to a hopelessly divided populace.

“Sure she can,” political scientist David Moscrop admits, a play he describes “Harper-ish.” But he considers it unlikely. UBC political scientist Max Cameron notes the Clark government will “run out of money by September, so must convene the legislature by [fall] at the latest.” Both Moscrop and Cameron expect she will resign. For them, the only remaining question is when.

http://www.macleans.ca/politics/ndp-green-pact-lowers-curtain-on-b-c-lib...

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epaulo13 wrote:

..i guess i win the prediction :)

..sorry i never meant to take anything away from stockholm's dramatic prediction.

..in fact mine was made to counter the gloomy predictions being made by some folks at the time.

..i like others am happy to see the libs gone if in fact they are. i'm sure they are now desperately searching for ways to hang on to power.

 

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The Green's ran on Vote Change and they have followed through on it. Congratulations to them and the NDP for hammering out a deal.  For some reason this tune came to mind.

">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHJoj9IqeKg

Or how about this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKR0l7odlVI

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Cabinet Suggestions
Jobs Carole James
Education Rob Fleming
Labour Harry Bains
Environment David Eby
Seniors Selina Robinson
Small Business Jagrup Brar
Technology Michelle Mungall
Health Judy Darcy
Transportation Bowinn Ma
Attorney General Leonard Krog or Bruce Ralston
Finance Mike Farnworth or Melanie Mark
Agriculture Lana Popham
Visible Minorities including First Nations Mable Elmore
Blue Collar Trades Raj Chouhan
Universities Katrina Conroy
Parks, Recreation & Sports Katrina Chen
Recycling & Libraries David Suzuki

jas

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Another right-winger shares his point of view!

http://www.burnabynow.com/opinion/columnists/opinion-b-c-election-was-an...

He makes a good point. What is interesting to me is how it matches the rural/urban divide for the Manitoba NDP during their long reign.

And I would caution the NDP in getting complacent with its newfound urban constituency. They're a fickle bunch and I think they have the NDP on notice.

JKR

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If the NDP and the Greens merged they would become unbeatable.

I think a merger would be the way to go for the NDP and Greens if FPTP is the system used in the next election.

jas

Here's hoping for a floor crosser or two from the Libs to the Greens (least unlikely scenario). I wonder if there would be any active courting going on.

Not comfortable with the single-seat margin.

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NDP & Greens agree to end Liberal era

https://thetyee.ca/News/2017/05/29/Greens-NDP-Ally/

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Maybe they should reopen or have inquiries into BC Rail, The trumpted up nonsense against Glen Clark, ICBC, Agriculture Land Reserve, Work Safe BC, BC Ferries, Labour Relations Board, BC Hydro etc

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Open Letter: 2017 BC Election - British Columbians have spoken

Dear Premier Christy Clark, John Horgan and Andrew Weaver:

From April 28th to May 9th nearly two million British Columbians took to the polls to give expression to their deep concerns relative to the previous sixteen years of a BC Liberal majority rule.  Clearly, Sixty percent of those British Columbians have overwhelmingly voted for change.

Six years of a heavy-handed Clark majority government has left British Columbians deeply mired in an overwhelming debt, subsequent to a litany of highly outdated, unfeasible and environmentally destructive mega projects, including the Site C Dam, the Kinder Morgan Trans Mountain Pipeline Expansion Project and the fading market-dead LNG pipe dream.

British Columbia’s economy has become reliant on an industry propped up by a temporary and transient workforce precariously perched on archaic notions requiring the complete destruction of our pristine air, land, and waters, and on an industry which runs rough-shod over the democratic and human rights of Indigenous and non-Indigenous communities alike.

British Columbians demand a different way of governing and have called for a dramatic shift from protecting foreign corporate interests to ensuring the health, safety, well-being and the long-term, sustainable livelihoods of our families and communities.

The Union of BC Indian Chiefs (UBCIC) calls on the newly elected government of BC to enact the change British Columbians have called for. More specifically, we call on the government of BC to immediately implement the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, to enact the 94 Calls to Action of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, and to begin to implement the principles and provisions of the Supreme Court of Canada’s ruling in Tsilhqot’in Nation v. British Columbia. 

The Province’s piecemeal approach of agreement making with First Nations across BC can no longer stand in place of recognizing Indigenous peoples’ Inherent Title, Rights, jurisdiction and especially First Nations’ right to consent.

We must immediately begin to make significant changes to strengthen the BC Environmental Assessment process by disposing of the problematic and dangerous MOU between the BC Environmental Assessment Office and the Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency allowing BC to substitute its EA process for projects where both provincial and federal EAs are required, and to promote the wellbeing of communities across BC. 

First Nations have called for significant engagement that is both genuine and meaningful.

Further, we must work together to address the destructive policies and practices permeating the state of child and family care in BC. A new BC government must not only provide safe healthy environments for children but must ensure future opportunities for their growth and development, to do so we must address the funding and resourcing shortfalls of First Nations education and health care services throughout the province.

Homelessness and affordable housing must also become immediate priorities of the new government. BC must also take significant movement to address and effectively end the devastating opioid crises gripping numerous BC communities.

The new BC government must make great strides to rebuild the trust of British Columbians and to protect the future of our environment and our communities.

On behalf of the UNION OF BC INDIAN CHIEFS

[Original signed]

Grand Chief Stewart Phillip
President

Chief Robert Chamberlin
Vice-President

Kukpi7 Judy Wilson
Secretary-Treasurer

ghoris

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Cabinet Suggestions Jobs Carole James Education Rob Fleming Labour Harry Bains Environment David Eby Seniors Selina Robinson Small Business Jagrup Brar Technology Michelle Mungall Health Judy Darcy Transportation Bowinn Ma Attorney General Leonard Krog or Bruce Ralston Finance Mike Farnworth or Melanie Mark Agriculture Lana Popham Visible Minorities including First Nations Mable Elmore Blue Collar Trades Raj Chouhan Universities Katrina Conroy Parks, Recreation & Sports Katrina Chen Recycling & Libraries David Suzuki

Pretty good list. I won't even attempt to guess who will get which portfolio. I fully expect that Horgan will name a cabinet with gender parity. Assuming he does, and there are no Greens in cabinet, here's who I expect will make the cut:

Vancouver Island: John Horgan, Carole James, Rob Fleming, Claire Trevena

Vancouver: George Heyman, Adrian Dix, Melanie Mark, David Eby

Burnaby / Tri-Cities / New West: Anne Kang, Judy Darcy,  Mike Farnworth

Surrey/Delta: Jinny Sims, Harry Bains, Jagrup Brar, Bruce Ralston

Interior and North: Michelle Mungall, Katrine Conroy, Jennifer Rice

 

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Cabinet Suggestions Jobs Carole James Education Rob Fleming Labour Harry Bains Environment David Eby Seniors Selina Robinson Small Business Jagrup Brar Technology Michelle Mungall Health Judy Darcy Transportation Bowinn Ma Attorney General Leonard Krog or Bruce Ralston Finance Mike Farnworth or Melanie Mark Agriculture Lana Popham Visible Minorities including First Nations Mable Elmore Blue Collar Trades Raj Chouhan Universities Katrina Conroy Parks, Recreation & Sports Katrina Chen Recycling & Libraries David Suzuki

Pretty good list. I won't even attempt to guess who will get which portfolio. I fully expect that Horgan will name a cabinet with gender parity. Assuming he does, and there are no Greens in cabinet, here's who I expect will make the cut:

Vancouver Island: John Horgan, Carole James, Rob Fleming, Claire Trevena

Vancouver: George Heyman, Adrian Dix, Melanie Mark, David Eby

Burnaby / Tri-Cities / New West: Anne Kang, Judy Darcy,  Mike Farnworth

Surrey/Delta: Jinny Sims, Harry Bains, Jagrup Brar, Bruce Ralston

Interior and North: Michelle Mungall, Katrine Conroy, Jennifer Rice

 

This may take a while. Christy doesn't have to convene the Legislature until the fall.

jerrym

I'm surprised that Christy didn't drag out her time in office until September. I will give her some small credit for not doing that. 

cco

Can any BC procedure wonks answer this question: Is the process for choosing a Speaker in BC like the federal procedure? Will Clark put forward a Liberal to be dragged to the big chair, since she's intending to meet the house?

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cco wrote:
Can any BC procedure wonks answer this question: Is the process for choosing a Speaker in BC like the federal procedure? Will Clark put forward a Liberal to be dragged to the big chair, since she's intending to meet the house?

I'm not sure about the procedure, however I don't think Clark has a choice but to accept a Speaker from within her own ranks. The NDP and the Greens both want to have power in the Ledge, so that rules out any of their members getting the post.

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jerrym wrote:

I'm surprised that Christy didn't drag out her time in office until September. I will give her some small credit for not doing that. 

When is she convening the Legislature?

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Christy Clark to Recall Legislature, Expects to Be Defeated

Christy Clark says her BC Liberals will move to test the confidence of the legislature rather than step aside and allow an NDP-Green coalition to take power in British Columbia.

Clark made the announcement Tuesday during a press conference in Vancouver, calling the situation one that “comes with responsibilities” to voters.

“We will live up to those responsibilities that we have,” a seemingly nervous Clark told a pack of reporters. “The responsibilities that voters have asked us to carry out. We have a duty to meet the house and test its confidence.”

She acknowledged her party will likely not last long, but said she would not ask B.C.’s Lieutenant-Governor Judith Guichon to send British Columbians back to the polls if the government is defeated in a confidence test.

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Sometime in June

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NDP and Greens Promise Electoral Reform Referendum, Big Money Ban and Higher Carbon Tax

With support from the BC Green Party, an NDP minority government will hold a referendum on proportional representation, reform political donation laws, move the fixed election date to the fall and increase the carbon tax.

The details were included in a 10-page document that defines where the two parties will cooperate.

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Specific commitments include:

* Holding a referendum on electoral reform in conjunction with the 2018 municipal election. The parties will consult British Columbians on the form of proportional representation proposed and if approved it will be in place before the next provincial election;

* Moving the fixed election date to the fall so that it will be possible to pass a budget before British Columbians vote;

* At the first sitting of the legislature they will ban corporate and union donations, as well as contributions from people who live outside the province. They will also place limits on individual contributions;

* Reviewing the Lobbyists Registration Act and increasing penalties for violations under the act;

* Raising the carbon tax by $5 per tonne per year starting on April 1, 2018 and extending it to cover fugitive emissions such as gas that escapes from pipelines and carbon from the burning of slash piles. They would also include rebate cheques so that the majority of British Columbians are better off after the tax has been raised;

* Referring the Site C dam project to the B.C. Utilities Commission so the independent regulator can look at the economic viability of the project and whether the timing is right to build it. The referral will be made as soon as an NDP government is sworn in;

* Using “every tool available” to stop the expansion of Kinder Morgan’s Trans Mountain pipeline;

* Establishing a “fair wages commission” that will work towards a $15 minimum wage, at least, and oversee regular rate reviews;

* Working with the Mayors’ council in Metro Vancouver on a transit and transportation plan;.....

 

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Who knew!

It will be rammed though in the "national interest"

http://globalnews.ca/news/3490363/trudeau-bc-election-trans-mountain/

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cco

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It will be rammed though in the "national interest"

Perhaps someone who's a constitutional law expert can correct me on this, but it seems to me that even if the pipeline itself is federal jurisdiction, BC can do a lot to stop it if they decide to play for keeps. What if they ban trucks from all roads in a 50km radius of pipeline sites? Ban BC Hydro from providing power to any pipeline construction sites? Impose taxes of $10 million per pipe segment in the corridor? It'd take a pretty massive use of the declaratory power to strip BC of all its constitutional tools, and the federal court fight would take far longer than 4 years.

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cco wrote:
NorthReport wrote:

It will be rammed though in the "national interest"

Perhaps someone who's a constitutional law expert can correct me on this, but it seems to me that even if the pipeline itself is federal jurisdiction, BC can do a lot to stop it if they decide to play for keeps. What if they ban trucks from all roads in a 50km radius of pipeline sites? Ban BC Hydro from providing power to any pipeline construction sites? Impose taxes of $10 million per pipe segment in the corridor? It'd take a pretty massive use of the declaratory power to strip BC of all its constitutional tools, and the federal court fight would take far longer than 4 years.

They can also refuse to issue construction and other permits to slow down the process. 

In addition, Trudeau should look at the political costs in BC, Alberta and Quebec. 

Not building the pipeline would put at risk the 4 Alberta and 1 Saskatchewan Liberal seats. 

Forcing the pipeline through BC, could potentially cost the Liberals most of their seats in BC, especially because 16 of their 17 seats (the other is Kelowna-Lake Country) are in the Lower Mainland where opposition to the pipeline is greatest. 

Quebec not only does not want the Canada East pipeline, it would be opposed to the federal government overriding any provincial government decision on pipelines, presenting a great election issue for the PQ and QS, and potentially put many of the 40 federal Liberal Quebec MPs at risk.

Does Trudeau want these headaches?

Aristotleded24

Ever notice that when the federal government tries to actively manage the oil resources so that they benefit the country it's Alberta's oil, but when other provinces express concerns about the impact of oil moving through their provinces it's Canada's oil?

Make no mistake, I hope Notley does prevail in 2019. But she is shooting herself in the foot by burning her bridges in the rest of the country by being so stubborn about this, especially given that she campaigned on diversifying Alberta's economy so it's not so dependent on oil exports in the first place. Especially since it's doubtful she will get any credit for any pipelines that do go through. She certainly won't get credit for Keystone, which obviously went through because of a changing of the guard in the US, not due to any lobbying efforts of the Alberta government.

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Let's just say I don't think I'll rush to buy the stock - how much did the price fall today!

http://globalnews.ca/news/3490363/trudeau-bc-election-trans-mountain/

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Notley, the right-wing giant-killer is focused on Alberta which is what she needs to be doing, and she is doing it well. How quickly we forget!

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The shredding contractors will be arriving at the Legislature soon enough, but it is sad to see another of the many Canadian political leaders who just don't know when to quit such as
Tom Mulcair
Adrian Dix
Carole James

And now we can add Christy Clark to that list

https://thetyee.ca/News/2017/05/30/Clark-Wont-Quit/

jas

I don't see a problem with what she's chosen.  I would do the same, in her shoes. That she promises to convene the house soon is respectable. She could have pulled a Stevie and waited all summer. That said, let's hope she is being genuine.

I read somewhere that waiting til June meant that the transition documents would not therefore be available to the incoming gov; that this was a comment by Horgan. Why or how would this be so? If the civil service is required to prepare such things, then they would be available whenever the transition occurs.

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