BC NDP start nominations for possible fall election

Mean Moe
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What news do Babblers have on BC NDP nominations?

Carole James announced she will run again. Sue Hammell and Lana Popham have been acclaimed. Anyone have local news from Interior or North?


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Northern Shoveler
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The NDP/BCGEU in Burnaby North just nominated a nice caucasian union leader to run instead of an awesome community activist with deep roots into all the immigrant communities from having worked for Bill Siksay for years.  I don't believe that the poor people of Burnaby really need a woman who will defend the interests of the BGEU in Cabinet.  Janet is a very accomplished woman with a long trade union history but no connections into any of the immigrant communities in Burnaby.  The powers that be are again doing their best to ensure democracy does not break out in the nomination battles.

The machinations behind the scenes and the heavy hand of the real Moe was actually visible.  He has also told the search committee for another Burnaby riding that he has a "star" candidate the party wants nominated.  But then Moe made his name by stalking meetings in the '90's.  He is still the same so I actually am not surprised and when he became President I knew he would do exactly as he is doing. 

The BC Neo-Democratic Party should chance its name because it functions as a top down centrally controlled organization with only a facade of democracy.  

When the central headquarters inserts itself into nominations it destroys the riding memberships rightful role as the proper body to choose who should run to represent the members of that riding in an election.  


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Were there any irregularities or anything undemocratic about the nomination meeting or was that the losing candidate just didn't get enough of her supporters to turn out at the meeting?

I don't know any of the people involved, but I've seen this story before where so-and-so who is supposed to have all this great grassroots support loses the nomination. I'm left wondering how much grassroots support the person had in the first place if they couldn't get the relatively small number of people it typically takes to win an NDP nomination to show up at a meeting.


Northern Shoveler
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I said the central office was actively involved in the nomination battle.  That IMO is anti-democratic.  Given your posting history its my guess you like the top down approach.  Decisions like this need the guiding hand of the control freaks on Kingsway seems to be the approach.

So Stockholm do you think it is democratic for the Provincial President to try and tell a riding who to have as a candidate?  Just as a general approach not specifically this case.


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Northern Shoveler wrote:
So Stockholm do you think it is democratic for the Provincial President to try and tell a riding who to have as a candidate?  Just as a general approach not specifically this case.

We had that happen in Manitoba where a right-wing school trustee was accalaimed as the NDP candidate in Brandon West, even though others were interested.


Stockholm
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The party Brass has a right to express a preference and the members are free to disregard that preference if they want


Northern Shoveler
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Stockholm wrote:
The party Brass has a right to express a preference and the members are free to disregard that preference if they want

 

That fits with your view of democracy. I accept that even if it doesn't fit mine. Party Brass sure sounds like Union Boss.  IMO They are both oxymorons in democratic organizations.  But suitable terms for the Conservatives or CLAC.


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Any of our BCNDP friends hear more about these possibilities:

Nic Slater, recent Federal candidate in Delta South? (seems like a very conservative seat to me)

http://www.straight.com/article-399520/vancouver/nic-slater-planning-provincial-run

Paul Faoro - CUPE

http://www.straight.com/article-399512/vancouver/union-leader-eyes-vancouverfairview

A couple of Vision Van (good thing or bad thing?) municipal politicians: George Chow (Fraserview again Yiu maybe?) and

Raj Hundal (in surrey? i don't like the idea of people running in cities/ridings they don't live in, thats just me)

http://www.straight.com/article-396942/vancouver/vision-politicians-may-be-eyeing-ndp-ridings

 

 

 


Mean Moe
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Seems Vaughn Palmer has taken an interest in that Kamloops North Thompson nomination race:

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Opinion+Recall+campaign+used+springboar...


Mean Moe
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Kamloops nomination heats up with some negative campaigning.

http://www.bclocalnews.com/bc_thompson_nicola/kamloopsthisweek/opinion/1...

 


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Looks like Vancouver ridings are becoming a battle for NDP nominations, i think thats healthy and telling about how good the NDP fortunes might be: 

 

 George Heyman(director of the Sierra Club) and Paul Faoro (a CUPE president) both going after Fairview

http://www.straight.com/article-405084/vancouver/faoro-still-mulling-ndp-run-fairview

 

But this is the one that looks exciting and controversial

Chow (city Councilor) vs Yiu (robbed last time) personally, i like Yiu and think if he wins the nom, he has a good shot at winning the riding too. Chow should

have ran in his how riding or ran in Point Grey if Eby decides not to run (which i think is a mistake too)  

http://www.straight.com/article-404559/vancouver/significance-george-chows-ndp-challenge-against-gabriel-yiu-vancouverfraserview

 


Northern Shoveler
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George Heyman extraordinary back room operator.  Exactly the wrong kind of person to have in cabinet.  He has the charm of a snake oil salesman and the integrity of a used car salesman.


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...that makes me confident that he would be the better candidate.


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Stockholm wrote:

...that makes me confident that he would be the better candidate.

Kiss

 


lil.Tommy
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For the upcoming by-election in Port Moody-Coquitlam, theCBC is saying its quite the coup for the NDP to have Trasolini (former 4term mayor) run as the candidate. Now it sounds like he was very close to Clark and the Liberals until recent years. BCers know anything more about him? 2009 ranked Port Moody as the best run city in BC so he might bring some needed fiscal experience, but does he also bring to much of a centre-right feel? Previous commenters said for the NDP to win these wealthier, traditional liberal ridings they would need to run more centrist candidates, sounds like someone was listening. Anyway Dix's is coming off looking great in the MSM

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2011/11/23/bc-joe-t...


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Dix seems to really have exceeded everyone's expectations as NDP leader. He seems to have reunited the party and to be assembling a good team of people and for someone depicted by the media as some "far-left Stalinist" (sic.) he seems to have a knack for attracting middle of the road candidates and voters!


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Stockholm wrote:

Dix seems to really have exceeded everyone's expectations as NDP leader. He seems to have reunited the party and to be assembling a good team of people and for someone depicted by the media as some "far-left Stalinist" (sic.) he seems to have a knack for attracting middle of the road candidates and voters!

Thats more or less what Tim Stevenson just said in a Georgia Straight piece on what the NDP can learn from Vision:

http://www.straight.com/article-546491/vancouver/vision-builds-broad-coalition

 "In an interview two days after his reelection, Stevenson noted by phone that although many say B.C. NDP leader Adrian Dix is "too ideological", people are now "finding he's very pragmatic"."


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Stockholm
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That Chilliwack-Hope byelection could get very interesting...it is one of the safest BC Liberal (or should i say "non-NDP") seats in the whole province and in the last election the popular vote was about BC Liberals 53%, NDP 33% and BC Cons 10% or thereabouts. But by all accounts the BC Conservatives are seriously on the move now and a riding like Chiliwack-Hope that is quintessential Bible Belt social conservative territory would be an IDEAL place for John Cummins to try to make a breakthrough...if the BC Liberals follow though and nominate the woman mentioned in the article above who is a former federal Liberal candidate it will further fuel the stampede of small-"c" conservative voters away from the BC Liberals and towards the Conservatives. Who knows if there is a perfect three-way vote split - the NDP could even win the seat!


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lil.Tommy wrote:

For the upcoming by-election in Port Moody-Coquitlam, theCBC is saying its quite the coup for the NDP to have Trasolini (former 4term mayor) run as the candidate. Now it sounds like he was very close to Clark and the Liberals until recent years. BCers know anything more about him? 2009 ranked Port Moody as the best run city in BC so he might bring some needed fiscal experience, but does he also bring to much of a centre-right feel? Previous commenters said for the NDP to win these wealthier, traditional liberal ridings they would need to run more centrist candidates, sounds like someone was listening. Anyway Dix's is coming off looking great in the MSM

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2011/11/23/bc-joe-t...

In municipal politics in the Lower Mainland Port Moody has often stood shoulder to shoulder with Burnaby in opposing stupid BC Liberal ideas especially in transit, roads and bridges. If nothing else his running for the NDP tells me he sees it as the party to get him a cabinet seat.

What is really fascinating is he was considered not just a political ally of Crusty Clark he was considered a CLOSE PERSONAL friend.


Stockholm
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To know Christy Clark is to hate her!


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I'm probably dreaming, but I always thought the NDP under performs in the Fraser Valley. We do ok in areas north of the river like Mission, but get consistently clobbered in Abbotsford and Chilliwack. I've never bought the excuse that it's the bible belt. I think there is a lot of suburban/working class/commuter voters that should be more open to the NDP.

In any event, a by-election in Chilliwack could be interesting. It gives the NDP the chance to put some resources into the area normally reserved for more winable seats. Who knows what could happen?

I hope I'm right.


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Lou, thats a good point... i've noticed that the Fraser acts like this dividing line... the NDP performing pourly in those communities like Langly, Abbotsford, chilliwack on the South side... and in Pitt Meadows, Maple Ridge and the Coquitlams all North of the River where they perform better. Why is that BC'rs?

Well the Liberals would be giving this riding to the NDP... or even the Conservatives if they nominated a Federal Liberal. They need to maintain themselves as the Centre Right option, both these upcomming by-elections will be a test to see if all this hype about the Conservatives pans out, and if the NDP can turn this momentum into results


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FYI - Chiliwack is actually geographically north of the Fraser river!


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Um, no it's not. Are you sure your name's not Stockwell, rather than Stockholm? Wink


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Stockholm wrote:

FYI - Chiliwack is actually geographically north of the Fraser river!

The riding of Chiliwack Hope is both north and south of the Fraser since it runs THROUGH it. This is a good test for both the Conservatives and the NDP.  This is a seat that the BC Cons need to either win or come very close in because it is a Conservative stronghold federally and has been for a very long time.  If they don't do well here there credibility heading towards the next election will be damaged.  

The NDP if it can come close and make it a three way race it will be considered a success.  Coming up the middle is the dream scenario but I think a strong second behind the BC Cons would be ideal.  The BC NDP wins ever election where their are two viable right wing parties.  The worst case scenario for the NDP is a collapse of the BC Cons in this by election.

As for North and South of the Fraser it has to do with the urban centres and the commuting times.  The Tri-Cities, Ne West,  Burnaby and Vancouver are much like Toronto, Scarborough and North York used to be when they were "separate" cities.  Without a map an out of towner has no idea where the city limits are.  Living across the Fraser has always meant a long commute and a far less densely populated area .  In the core cites the development is primarily high rise condos and a few town house complexes and no subdivisions of single family homes.  Across the river they built mostly single family home in subdivisions and town house complexes.  As well the housing prices are substantially cheaper in Surrey and Delta compared to the cites where you don't have to cross a bridge to get to the City.


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I wonder whether as Vancouver grows and as sky-high housing prices force younger, and lower-income people to move further and further east in the Lower Mainland to find a place to live - eventually there will be demographic changes and some parts of Langley, Abbotsford and Chiliwack could start to become winnable for the NDP?


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Stockholm wrote:

I wonder whether as Vancouver grows and as sky-high housing prices force younger, and lower-income people to move further and further east in the Lower Mainland to find a place to live - eventually there will be demographic changes and some parts of Langley, Abbotsford and Chiliwack could start to become winnable for the NDP?

You can get a break on housing outside the urban core but you pay for it in increased commute times and costs and often in reduced earning opportunities.  Most of the professional jobs are in places like Burnaby and Vancouver where there are diversified economies that include a thriving high tech sector and the main sound studios for the BC film industry.  

The idea of kids who grew up in Burnaby moving to Abbotsford would be considered a joke by young adults like my son and his friends who did grow up here.


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I keep hearing from middle aged people I know in vancouver that housing is so expensive that their kids in their 20s have to move as far as Langley or Abbotsford to be able to live anywhere...eventually those places will change and become more urbanized...the northern half of Surrey wasn't always an NDP stronghold either - places evolve.


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Stockholm wrote:

..the northern half of Surrey wasn't always an NDP stronghold either - places evolve.

The first riding called Surrey was created in 1966.  The NDP won and continued winning until Vander Zalm came along. As the ridings in Surrey multiplied with population growth it has always been a competitive election area.  Like all cities some neighbourhoods are more fertile than others for NDP candidates.  Parts of Surrey are indeed NDP strongholds and always have been. 

 


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To be perfectly blunt, a lot of the moving out to the Fraser Valley is "white flight". I'm not talking about hot-headed racism, just discomfort with a rapidly changing city.


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Will the next B.C. provincial election be fought along the same riding boundaries as exist now, or will they be redrawn due to the census held earlier this year?

 


theleftyinvestor
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David Young wrote:

Will the next B.C. provincial election be fought along the same riding boundaries as exist now, or will they be redrawn due to the census held earlier this year?

 

Probably the same boundaries, because BC already redrew boundaries in advance of the 2009 election using the 2006 census. The next redrawing would presumably occur after the 2016 census, in time for the 2017 election (assuming the next government is a majority).


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Basement Dweller wrote:

To be perfectly blunt, a lot of the moving out to the Fraser Valley is "white flight". I'm not talking about hot-headed racism, just discomfort with a rapidly changing city.

Well if that's the case they may not have much luck - Abbotsford is already 25% South Asian!


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History is everything. Our history is extremely racist and maybe that is why I love living in a city, that despite the white supremacy past in our province, is as diverse as Burnaby.  BC is very white when you get out of the Lower Mainland.  Not as white as the maritimes or the prairies but in comparison to the GTO or Metro Vancouver very pale. I spent a few weeks every summer for about 6 years in the late '90's early '00's and it was like a cultural shock to walk around Moncton. Almost everyone looked like me. It was really odd. 

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On September 7, representatives from five communities–Chinese, Japanese, South Asian, aboriginal, and labour–will commemorate Vancouver's anti-Asian riot of 1907.

On that day a hundred years ago, a Caucasian mob attacked local residents and smashed storefront windows in Chinatown and Japantown. The riot took place after a march organized by the Asiatic Exclusion League that wound up in a rally at City Hall, which was then located on Main Street. With banners reading Stand for a White Canada, the demonstrators, including politicians and labour leaders, called for an end to Asian immigration to British Columbia.

Henry Yu, an associate professor of history at UBC, explains that the 1907 riot is a link in the chain of Canada's racist history. In an interview with the Georgia Straight, he noted that the rising anti-Asian sentiment at that time was occurring as First Nations peoples were in the process of being moved to reserves.

Yu pointed out that white supremacy was the political tool that united Caucasians in what he said was essentially a land grab of traditional Native territories and the removal of Asians from jobs to make way for new settlers. "What did they unite around?" he asked. "Two main things: one, get rid of the Natives; two, get rid of the Asians."

http://www.straight.com/article-107637/commemorating-a-race-riot


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Looks like the NDP is already making strategic announcements around trying to win in those two by-elections:

http://www.straight.com/article-549936/vancouver/ndp-leader-adrian-dix-targets-wedge-issue-bc-liberal-position-homophobic-bullying

 

Port Moody-Coquitlam : A little extra icing here, not only a long-term popular (yes? no?) mayor as a candidate but what i would assume is a community that would support a move towards a provincewide anti-bulling scheme specific for GLBT...

Chilliwack-Hope : If they get a strong candidate (the NDP), as many have stated this is a relatively socially conservative area, the NDP would be the rallying point for moderates/progressives and the Conservatives for the evil-doers; and the Liberals picking up the leftovers.

 I think wedge issues are pretty dirty tactics if thats the only point, i think many NDPers legitimately believe in this policy (i'd say a majority of them) as long as this is pushed as serious party policy and not just an attack to wedge the Liberals. Like the articule says this is going to be a hard fence to sit on, Christy either risks Urban seats or Rural seats... She can'ty grow anymore on her left; thats pretty dead... her only hope is to try and save the right wing of the party from bolting.


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In Burnaby the homophobic Burnaby Parents Voice received a significant vote and in a PR system should have had one seat on the Board.  The right leaning TEAM Burnaby lost those votes and it got shut out of school board.  While it claims not to be a BC Liberal offshoot its leading counsel candidate did run for them in the last election. This is a significant regional issue and the Tri-Cities are Burnaby's neighbours.  It is a little bizarre because similar policies were passed in other school districts around the province before Burnaby without any significant outcry but the homophobes chose to fight it here.  These are voters who mostly belong to the anyone but NDP crowd so it is significant that this issue caused such a single issue party to rival the TEAM slate. 

The NDP members who ran for the BCA swept all seats with the highest total being 18,478 and BCA's lowest to take the final seat 13,438.  The TEAM front runner got 7,673 but the top Parents Voice took 7,326 and they were a single issue party.  Protecting rights is a winning strategy in  this part of the world.  It not only makes one feel good but it divides your enemies.  What is not to like about the BC NDP actively supporting rights.  By the way the top Burnaby Green candidate came in 16th for a spot on the 7 member board.

http://applications.burnaby.ca/mes/2011/Default.aspx


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I found this poll by accident while searching for something else. Gee, i wonder why the mainstream media hasn't publishing it:

"The Oracle Research survey shows the NDP with 43.8 per cent support among decided voters, the BC Liberals at 25.3 per cent, the Greens at 16.0 per cent and the BC Conservatives with 14.8 per cent"

"only 23.8 per cent of respondents had a favourable opinion of Christy Clark while NDP leader Adrian Dix scored a rating of 42.5 per cent."

http://www.wireservice.ca/index.php?module=News&func=display&sid=7060

One strange part is how people remember voting in the last election:

"It's a reversal of fortunes for the Liberals from how respondents had voted in 2009. According to the survey, 41.8 per cent voted Liberal, 34.5 per cent NDP, 15.8 per cent for the Greens and the Conservatives at 7.9 per cent."


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So people retrospectively overestimate having voted Green and to some extent Conservative but underestimate having voted NDP - that means that the NDP could actually be doing even better than that poll shows!


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Here is the full PDF poll:

http://www.integritybc.ca/images/pdfs/integritybcoracle2011.pdf

How do you forget who you voted for! Thats hilarious, i think their are those out there who just don't want to admit they voted Lib or NDP all of a sudden.... 2009 was BCL 46%; NDP 42%; Green 8%; Con 2%

Some more good news:

NDP voters least likely to change their vote (39%) Federal Vote if held today: 35% Tory; 32% NDP; 17% Liberal; 16% Green (image if the Greens out-polled the Liberals!)


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On May 2 the CPC was 13 points ahead of the NDP 46 to 33. This gap is now 3 points 35 to 32! I guess "Turmel-mania" is sweeping BC!


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I just wanted to toss this in here. RJ Aquino (defeated COPE candidate) tweeted a link to Ellen Woodsworth's final speech to city council. I replied to both: "So sad about COPE results. Would either of you consider running in a provincial or federal election?"

Ellen tweeted back a one word answer: "yes"

Are there any ridings it would make sense for Ellen to run in? She lives in the Commercial Drive area... but I assume Jenny Kwan and Shane Simpson aren't going anywhere. Nor is Mable Elmore, and obviously not Adrian Dix. Vancouver-Fraserview is the nomination George Chow ran for but didn't get.

False Creek would be a tough sell. Fairview was only a 5-point margin last election though. Could Ellen Woodsworth knock out Margaret MacDiarmid? Would she be seen as relevant enough to the neighbourhood?


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Aquino replied to me as well: "If the conditions are right & if I'm confident that I'm able to be an effective public servant, yes."


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theleftyinvestor wrote:

I just wanted to toss this in here. RJ Aquino (defeated COPE candidate) tweeted a link to Ellen Woodsworth's final speech to city council. I replied to both: "So sad about COPE results. Would either of you consider running in a provincial or federal election?"

Ellen tweeted back a one word answer: "yes"

Are there any ridings it would make sense for Ellen to run in? She lives in the Commercial Drive area... but I assume Jenny Kwan and Shane Simpson aren't going anywhere. Nor is Mable Elmore, and obviously not Adrian Dix. Vancouver-Fraserview is the nomination George Chow ran for but didn't get.

False Creek would be a tough sell. Fairview was only a 5-point margin last election though. Could Ellen Woodsworth knock out Margaret MacDiarmid? Would she be seen as relevant enough to the neighbourhood?

To win False Creek i think you need a Local candidate for sure, also someone with a business background. This is strong liberal as in fiscal conservative area, but i don't see it as a socially conservative one... A strong Moderate candidate could possibly win here.

I think Ellen sounds like a better fit for Fairview, and Ellen would be a well know and strong progressive candidate in this area. And with Meggs (who i heard might run here for the NDP) back on city council, who else would seek the nomination there? If she ran provincially, she has nowhere else to run... assuming Eby is running in Point Grey again.

That would leave Aquino nowhere but taking a stab at False Creek, which again would have some name recognition but i doubt he'd be a good fit.

Would Cadman run for the NDP anywhere?


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I don't know - but I think Cadman would also be a strong NDP candidate for any Liberal riding - evidenced by the fact that once the Vision banner unfurled, he was the only COPE candidate to do better than some of the Vision candidates.

I also don't know that Eby would necessarily pick VPG again - but again, all of his natural East Van constituency is spoken for. If Eby chooses not to take VPG again, by all means it would be a great riding for Cadman. Then again, I would also understand if Cadman is ready to retire from politics.


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Just when the Greens threaten to be a real party by electing an MP, or a city councilor, without any 'help' from another party they undermine themselves by deciding to sit out the upcoming by-elections.

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The British Columbia Green Party has decided not to run candidates in two coming by-elections, said leader Jane Sterk.

"The last by-elections have not been very good for us," she said. "They aren't really a friend to smaller parties. They may be friendlier to the Conservatives. We'll see."

Running candidates would also trigger the need for an audit, if the party has raised $10,000 or more in the year, Sterk said. "It's a very time consuming and money consuming process," she said. "It seems punitive from our perspective."

First of all, the Conservatives are also a 'small' party, though should the Liberals continue to stumble they'll have access to more resources than the Greens could hope to access.

Also, by-elections seem tailor made for a small party. They can raise their profile, concentrate their resources in a way they can't during a general election, and attract attention that they normally wouldn't get. This is especially important for the Greens seeing as they don't have any seats.

Finally, the audit 'logic' makes no sense. On the one hand if they don't raise more than 10K in a year, how do they expect to fund a province-wide campaign, when an election actually happens? On the other, how does it make sense to not raise money when you claim to need more money to audit the money you've raised in the first place? Running in the by-election would inspire people to donate to them. Which also begs the question, if they could afford to enter by-elections before, what's changed so that they're such an onerous for them now? I have no knowledge of the internal condition of the Green Party, but it sounds to me as if they're in complete disarray. Either that or Sterk has no political skills, as either a strategist or an administrator.


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Stark must be a Liberal puppet. She's been told not to run, to minimize the vote loss for the Liberals. The Liberals know they can't win Pomo this time, but at least make it look not so bad.

PoMo is potentially prime territory for a true green party. Lots of affluent, young, outdoorsy voters.


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Green parties in Canada are in general in serious disarray and are incredibly incoherent and inconsistent. Someone told me that the Ontario Greens had welfare cuts in their platform, I think? 

I saw Sterk at the debates when she tried running in Vancouver-Fairview. I wasn't particularly impressed, and now even less so every since she jumped on the anti-wi-fi bandwagon. Perhaps they're not running candidates because they can't find a venue without cellphones :P

I do hope though that Carr's win at the municipal level will force BC Greens to actually articulate something more coherent going forward.


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theleftyinvestor wrote:

Green parties in Canada are in general in serious disarray and are incredibly incoherent and inconsistent. Someone told me that the Ontario Greens had welfare cuts in their platform, I think? 

I saw Sterk at the debates when she tried running in Vancouver-Fairview. I wasn't particularly impressed, and now even less so every since she jumped on the anti-wi-fi bandwagon. Perhaps they're not running candidates because they can't find a venue without cellphones :P

I do hope though that Carr's win at the municipal level will force BC Greens to actually articulate something more coherent going forward.

That disarray is a huge opening for the NDP to win back some green lefties who drifted over. If the Party can articulate the green economy, and the hows and costs, those are great voters to have in our back pockets. The ONDP offered some great pieces in the OCT provincial around cycling policies... and Olivia is pushing for rules to mandate truck guards to protect cyclist. Much more is needed but i think its an opportunity while the greens are becoming more rediculous for the NDP to become the rallying point for the enviros


theleftyinvestor
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Well, I will be volunteering this weekend at the BCNDP convention and the federal leadership forum will take place tomorrow. So it will be interesting to see how the folks here respond to various green proposals coming from the fed candidates. 

I think it's fair to assume that Green support would split between many parties as a second choice. The voters who put Carr on council probably included people who largely supported the NPA, or Vision, or even COPE. Provincially the Green voters are just as likely to be pulled back to BC Libs as BCNDP. Yes I know, the BC Libs are not exactly green but I still believe this is truthful. Campbell/Clark can wave the carbon tax in the air triumphantly to distract the right-green voters from the Northern Gateway Pipeline.


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Is there any evidence that the so-called Carbon Tax in NC has actually been responsible for GHG emissions being reduced one iota???


Newfoundlander_...
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Andrian Dix is supposedly hiding something. 

http://cantafforddix.ca/


Aristotleded24
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Newfoundlander_Labradorian wrote:
Andrian Dix is supposedly hiding something. 

http://cantafforddix.ca/

The BC Liberals are scared. They are also attacking the BC Conservatives


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