BC's public education system is gone by 2015

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BC's public education system is gone by 2015

i was just going to make a comment in another thread then thought it actually deserved a topic discussion itself.

quizzical

the BC liberals are, now they believe they have a mandate to do so, going to impliment their new educational plan. and ta da!!!!! we find the new plan is: downsizing  of schools = privatization. or a public private partnership and downloading all educational costs to parents as the end result i should say. went to a meeting at my daughter's high school last night and found out all about it!!!

it all starts with a professor named john hattie who did a 15 year study on education studies and then wrote a book about  what he believed all the studies found. it's a dream come true for those who want to dismantle the entire north america public school system and privatize it all. he said he found "kids learn no matter what"!!!!

now in BC, "downsizing" is moving quickly and to be implimented in certain schools across BC this fall. school board reps certain teachers and principals were/are travelling off to San Diego and Colorado looking at schools who have "reformed" their educational delivery.

eagle rock a "professional development centre" is on their itinerary. and San Diego  is the hot bed for "school reform" or what i would call privatization base camp.

basically imv, the first step was to spend all the school boards assets. and  the BC liberal governement under fund too. leading to now they say they have to get rid of teachers we can't afford. and thirdly the schools will have to go to a flipped classroom model combined with moodle 'making a 21 century educational system'. and it translates to kids do all the school work on line at night and if they need to they can go to the school the next day and discuss what they did through moodling. course all education will be self directed 'personal development ' by the student. students teach themselves but need to have a "teacher" they can respect but who can know nothing about the topic at hand according to Hattie's findings.

once we all have got used to personal develoment as opposed to education they will start the "contracting out of educational services" to private 'developmental' concerns. actual qualified teachers will have moved on and outta BC we're to lose 3 teachers in the fall and more next year.....

i think some of the mid-level government flunkies running the school districts and maybe even schools are looking to feather their nests under the forthcoming Fall 2015 privatization. i think this mainly because it could be a why school district managers  across the province aren't freaking about the BC  libs underfunding our school system and have been wilfully running "deficits". fwi, mom says it's paralleling what Vander something did with the BC highways back in the day and it's following what private educators have been lobbying the BC libs for  since 2002. anyway here is a link to BCTF and has many links to what they've said so far...i don't think they realize the magnitude of what was called last night as "the inevitable".

if your from BC be outraged about our school system being torn apart and it's coming to a community near you this fall.

jjuares

What you say about the Liberals may very well be true but you are misinterpreting Hattie's book.

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

It's a fucking disaster. Great first post quizzical.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

BC already has one of the most privatized education systems in the country.  All private schools receive provincial funding not just Catholic or French schools as is constitutionally required in other parts of the country.  I will note that we just had an election campaign where education reforms were not a major plank of the NDP.  They certainly mentioned it but it was not highlighted very much.  The same can be said for health care which is also in a deplorable state.  The NDP's lack of focus on two of the big policy areas allowed people to think they had nothing much to say about fixing the real problems in both those areas.

quizzical

jjuares wrote:
What you say about the Liberals may very well be true but you are misinterpreting Hattie's book.

i guess i could've worded it differently in some places. :( i thought it was evident i was saying the ministry of education's school district's management teams including principals  and others like them elsewhere in NA were interpretting Hattie's work this way, as their toddling off to a school (eagle rock) owned by Honda to model BC "personal development centres' after it is pretty evident they think they can sell BCers on no public schools as they just are so not 21 century.

can you imagine with our free trade agreements corporations  like Honda will own access to all our educational systems. they can feed at the tax payer trough and fuck us all over.

ii haven't yet read the book he wrote they're interpretting from but i'm going to now.

jjuares

The private school movement is less about who gets in and more about who gets shut out.

tyoung

^apologies for the spelling and composition, it is difficult to edit from my phone... :)

tyoung

Buckle up, everyone. Christy made comments about a 10 year contract with teachers to the media after her caucus today. That contract will include contract strips to enable the bc ed plan of course, but given carte Blanche by BOTH the election win AND by the proven apathy of my bctf colleagues the opportunity for more changes presents itself. We have proven ourselves incapable of making any more than a very minimal personal sacrifice, and we are about to see the result. Our new imposed contract will include such strips as getting seniority provisions and draconian evaluations in the interest of allowing our principals sweeping powers to place "the right teacher in the right job". As far as the privatization agenda, I believe the intent is more to cut costs than promote private schools. The ability to deliver content on line and the ability to greatly expand the granting of graduation credit for non-school activities like hockey practice, bagging groceries, or playing the zither is what will facilitate the continued decline in our schools. The current funding formula is by "block" or course at the secondary level, so the fewer blocks you need to fund the better. If little johnny gets a few grad credits for riding around in his uncle's plumbing truck for a while, has his ultimate frisbee coach sign off on a bunch of hours,and completes a few other courses via canned content online, suddenly we have saved 20 percent on the cost of "graduating" this student. Expanded across the province it is literally thousands of teachers out of work if students are given the "flexibility" to "personalized" their education in this way. There may be benefits to the individual at the beginning of this process, but once the institution of the school as a cultural player is significantly diminished (as i the inevitable result in my opinion),the costs to future students and to our society at large are immeasurable. It is too bad that the voting public or the teachers are unwilling to support the only instrument left to stem the tide of this change. We have clearly demonstrated that we will not shut the system down to express our disagreement, and without that hammer, this unfortunate transformation is inevitable.

tyoung

Triple post: bad form I know, but this blog post helps express some of my frustration about our unwillingness to take drastic collective action: http://www.staffroomconfidential.com/2013/05/the-bc-election-and-public-...

Now,where's my "WALK OUT" button from the 2012 AGM...

quizzical

ya the principal here talked about teachers not comfortable with videoing themselves  to use in flipped classrooms will have to self-select out of the sytem. there's so much going on though it's hard to get a handle on it. the principal here through the ministry under the bus imo 'cause we were meeting to address some serious grievances we have with him. like calling students into his office and asking them if they're sexually active. he highjacked the meeting so it wouldn't happen and told  us a bunch of stuff. i don't think he really was really thinking people would follow up and do some serious research on his comments and info shared.

tyoung

School administration really calls on the best and the brightest, your example must be the exception that proves the rule. :D

quizzical

truthfully he's got some baffled with  bs including other school principals.  smart he is as it appears he's using  whats going down to further his career.  for ex. he tried to normalize whats going on in Logan Lake as the 21 Century Schools sytem and used Rossland to bolster this view.

i have the Hattie book on order. i think teachers would do well for themselves to read it too then they can counter what admins are using from it to destroy the ed system

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

The government is going to impose a collective agreement on the teachers.  If they are smart they will first consult and negotiate with the BCTF and then they will impose their negotiating package with a few minor concessions in irrelevant areas. It is unlikely that the SCC will find a Charter right to the outcome of bargaining so if the government is smart they will likely even win a a Charter challenge. If they are not smart and just impose a collective agreement then the BCTF will sue and it will take at least 6 years to reach the Supreme Court of Canada. Either way they will get what they want for the next four years. I do no think they will bargain in actual good faith with the unions in either education or health care but I think they will go through the motions before writing the new collective agreements for the parties.

jerrym

On  a Canada-US program called The Editors, chaired by our current Governor-General in the 1990s, there was a debate about what are the differences between Canada and the US. After a long debate, a right-wing commentator summed it up: there is one government-run sector in the US, euucation, and two in Canada, ecucation and health care; we'te working on privatizing both of them. 

jerrym

In Chicago, Philadelphia, New York and mnay other cities right across the US public schools are being closed supposedly due to a lack of funds. 

This year alone 50 public schools are being closed by Mayor Rohm Emmanuel, a former senior Obama White House advisor, on the grounds the city is going bankrupt one week after the city ponied up $125 million out of $195 million towards the building of a basketball arena where 18 games per year are played at private DePaul University. 

Quote:

The plan, according to reports from CBS Chicago, will require $125 million from taxpayers, with $70 million coming from a tax on hotel rooms and an additional $55 million coming from a common arena scheme known as tax-incremented financing (TIF).

http://thinkprogress.org/alyssa/2013/05/15/2016181/why-is-chicago-devoti...

In the last 10 years 100 schools in Chicago have been closed, initially by Arne Duncan, who is now Obama's Secretary of Education. Can you see where Obama is heading? The arena, according to Emmanuel, is for economic growth which is utter BS - they all lose money. Meanwhile the best economic growth machine in the history of the world - public education - is being destroyed. This will be coming to a city or town in Canada near you soon, if it already hasn't arrived. Obama also appointed Eric Holder, a Wall Street corporate lawyer, Attorney General of the US. Not surprisingly not one Wall St. bankster has been prosecuted even though Reagan Bush I put over 800 in jail over the much smaller savings and loans scandal. Obama and his minions provide the perfect cover for privatization. 

tyoung

Interesting stuff, but I maintain that the future of education in BC is more a simple agenda of cost cutting via irreversible restructuring than an obama plot of some sort. I guess I disagree with this thread's title as well. There is not some sudden unforeseen set of actions that will dismantle education as we know it by 2015, rather we will experience an acceleration of the decline that has been at play for the last 10 years. We, as teachers, have played a part in the decline by refusing to stand together, and now we are at the front line of the consequences as we weather the coming imposition of a "collective agreement".

tyoung

This is "bargaining":

http://www.vancouversun.com/touch/story.html?id=8432706

Christy has told us the length of our agreement, the wage increases she shall bequeath, and how class size and composition will be determined. What is left to discuss?

jerrym

tyoung wrote:
Interesting stuff, but I maintain that the future of education in BC is more a simple agenda of cost cutting via irreversible restructuring than an obama plot of some sort. I guess I disagree with this thread's title as well. There is not some sudden unforeseen set of actions that will dismantle education as we know it by 2015, rather we will experience an acceleration of the decline that has been at play for the last 10 years. We, as teachers, have played a part in the decline by refusing to stand together, and now we are at the front line of the consequences as we weather the coming imposition of a "collective agreement".

i never said what happens in BC is an Obama plot. But right-wing (or left-wing for that matter) politicians will imitate policies in a form modified for their regional circumstances of other similar idenlogical parties that have been reelected. Reagan imitated Thatcherite policies of privatization and probably even consulted her on how to do it without it being plotted out in advance. 

jerrym

jerrym wrote:

tyoung wrote:
Interesting stuff, but I maintain that the future of education in BC is more a simple agenda of cost cutting via irreversible restructuring than an obama plot of some sort. I guess I disagree with this thread's title as well. There is not some sudden unforeseen set of actions that will dismantle education as we know it by 2015, rather we will experience an acceleration of the decline that has been at play for the last 10 years. We, as teachers, have played a part in the decline by refusing to stand together, and now we are at the front line of the consequences as we weather the coming imposition of a "collective agreement".

i never said what happens in BC is an Obama plot. But right-wing (or left-wing for that matter) politicians will imitate policies in a form modified for their regional circumstances of other similar idenlogical parties that have been reelected. Reagan imitated Thatcherite policies of privatization and probably even consulted her on how to do it without it being plotted out in advance. Watch non-union charter schools and independent schools grow as the public system shrinks. 

ikosmos ikosmos's picture

The Liberal junta in Victoria wishes to impose a 10 year Collective "Agreement" and has instructed the BCPSEA to take note. The BCTF calls it "rescinding the current bargaining mandate".

 

The Clark regime did not bother to inform the other side. This is what fascists do. Dictat.

 

As a sidebar, the BCTF noted "respectful and quiet negotiations" over the past 4 months. Were they played by the Liberal stormtroopers? The NDP did not bother to campaign strongly in support of education ... and, in quiet negotiations, neither did the teachers.  

"Nothing worth having comes without some  kind of fight."

tyoung

Which is part of my point: we have repeatedly demonstrated that we are not willing to fight. A day of protest, yes, but prolonged action that continues until some just compromise can be reached? No. We are unfortunately complicity for our part (as teachers) for allowing it to come to this.

jerrym

 

 

tyoung wrote:
Interesting stuff, but I maintain that the future of education in BC is more a simple agenda of cost cutting via irreversible restructuring than an obama plot of some sort. I guess I disagree with this thread's title as well. There is not some sudden unforeseen set of actions that will dismantle education as we know it by 2015, rather we will experience an acceleration of the decline that has been at play for the last 10 years. We, as teachers, have played a part in the decline by refusing to stand together, and now we are at the front line of the consequences as we weather the coming imposition of a "collective agreement".

I never said what happens in BC is an Obama plot. But right-wing (or left-wing for that matter) politicians will imitate policies in a form modified for their regional circumstances of other similar ideological parties that have been reelected. Reagan imitated Thatcherite policies of privatization and probably even consulted her on how to do it without it being plotted out in advance. Watch non-union charter schools and independent schools grow as the public system shrinks. The BC Liberals have already privatized a large part of formerly the Hospital Employees Union (HEU) work. They have also made a rougly $500 million dollar repair to BC Place Stadium while closing over 100 schools. When one right-wing jurisdiction is successfully reelected after implementing privatization policies it encourages others to carry out similar policies. 

Incidently, despite Chicago being 42% African American, 88% of the students directly affected by school closures were African American and mostly poor. Yuu can expect that school closures here will also disproportionately affect the poor and NDP-held ridings. 

 

janfromthebruce

But Justin Trudeau  wished Clark the best and working for the middle class - this must be what he meant - no negotiations, imposed contracts for 10 years. Trudeau being a teacher and all would know what it's like on the frontlines.

tyoung

Justin Trudeau is a potted plant. Or a robot. No, wait, Justin Beiber is a robot. Whichever . The two of them are pretty much interchangable.

janfromthebruce

I know tyoung but Trudeau loves to wrap himself up in the mythical teacher image and yet, if you asked him he would not have a clue in what is going on in the contractual side in BC and would not care. Because this short term teacher didn't need to teach to live well. It would have been chicken feed while living off of his inheritance trust fund.

tyoung

Damn. I knew I wasn't smart enough to have an origipal idea: http://m.thetyee.ca/Opinion/2013/04/22/Justin-I-Mean-Trudeau/

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

He needs public speaking lessons. The fact that he uses fill in phrases and ums and ers while thinking makes him similar to most of us. I know that dealing with those types of habits was something I had to relearn when I went from being a trades person to being an advocate. It wasn't all that easy, sort of in the same realm as trying to break a smoking habit. I do know that if he didn't display any of those traits it would be proof positive that he is a conniving politician who has been practicing for years to deceive us all.

Trudeau should have nothing to do with BC's education system and the teachers contract with the provincial government. I would not have expected Mulcair to comment about NDP policy if Dix had not lost the election. Education is a provincial matter as is collective bargaining with the teachers and the health care workers.  I would hope that none of the federal leader's think they have the right to stick their noses into provincial affairs and that any of them if asked a specific question about BC's education system they would all say that it is a provincial matter.

tyoung

Good points. JT is a diversion in this thread anyway. C who must be obeyed has set the table: short timeline.e, new bargaining objectives that will allow a small,below-cost-of-living wage increase,with some tie to other public sector deals, and will proceed to use this "reasonable" image to tear into a whole bunch of other basic worker rights by stripping language on seniority,hiring, fair evaluation, extended work hours, working conditions such as class size and composition, and the slow but steady creep of invisible contracting out, which is an essential part of the bced plan: students obtaining grad credit from sources outside the school.

Fewer teachers, fewer services to students inside schools, lower costs . And teachers look totally unreasonable if we fight it because in the eyes of the public, we will be greedy and lazy for not jumping at the 1.62 percent or whatever crap they offer.

tyoung

Run-on sentence, anyone?^

janfromthebruce

kropotkin1951 wrote:

He needs public speaking lessons. The fact that he uses fill in phrases and ums and ers while thinking makes him similar to most of us. I know that dealing with those types of habits was something I had to relearn when I went from being a trades person to being an advocate. It wasn't all that easy, sort of in the same realm as trying to break a smoking habit. I do know that if he didn't display any of those traits it would be proof positive that he is a conniving politician who has been practicing for years to deceive us all.

Trudeau should have nothing to do with BC's education system and the teachers contract with the provincial government. I would not have expected Mulcair to comment about NDP policy if Dix had not lost the election. Education is a provincial matter as is collective bargaining with the teachers and the health care workers.  I would hope that none of the federal leader's think they have the right to stick their noses into provincial affairs and that any of them if asked a specific question about BC's education system they would all say that it is a provincial matter.

Trudeau has been on the paid public speaking circuit for years and talking about youth empowerment in platitudes. To suggest that he is not use to speaking is to have ignored all the thread concerning him being paid big bucks to speak to non private and schools/boards for years.

Sorry for the thread drift but his poor speaking abilities, in relation to big issues of the day is the lack of knowledge in the areas he is addressing and on the cuff. Dobbin stated this:

This level of political immaturity and inarticulateness is normally expected of people who devote virtually no time to thinking about politics.

Trudeau doesn't need public speaking lessons but needs to acquire inner knowledge and thought. Sorry for the thread drift.

tyoung

Let the drift take us where it may, the core topic here is so depressing. Mind you, equally depressing is the fact that I will have to see/hear JT everwhere I look for the next 8 years, spouting platitudes and doing the bidding of the backroom, say-anything-to-get-elected liberal puppeteers. *sigh* It makes me want to hurt myself.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Its not thread drift it is just Jan telling us how much she hates Trudeau.  It is a subject that she fits into every thread.  No matter what forum or what provincial matter we are talking about it is all about Trudeau. Frankly I am tired of having him show up everywhere but apparently many people in this country can't get over their obsession with him. 

In the meantime the BCTF is going to get hammered and as is the norm in this province the BC Fed will issue a strongly worded press release.

tyoung

Who knows? The president-elect of the bctf and the bc
fed leader may establish some kind of hair-and-moustache brotherhood thing. This could be a new era of supportive action by the fed in the bctf's favour.

infracaninophile infracaninophile's picture

John Hattie's book is a synthesis of research on a number of topics related to instruction and learning outcomes. His is primarily a meta-analysis with visual graphs to show the effectiveness of various teaching methods, organizational schemes, protocols, etc. No way does it support what the OP's local school pooh-bahs apparently advocated -- it's detailed, statistics- and research-heavy, and does not have any particular political bias, so far as I can see. Since it's not an easy read, I'll bet none of the administrators involved have actually read it, they have just repeated bilge they heard at workshops. I meet few in the education bureaucracy who are well-read or who actually know much about the policies they are in charge of implementing. 

I've gotten involved informally in advocating for parents, including some in my extended family, and have encountered such staggering stupidity in some cases I wondered how these people ( school administrators, some higher-up bureaucrats as well) graduated high school themselves.

Hattie's book, entitled Visible Learning, has a lot of data on what works for students in different contexts. Notably, it fails to confirm some of the favoured pet ideas, like dependence on technology, independent study (works for highly motivated students, not so well for many others), online learning, "discovery," etc. etc.  Guess what works, good TEACHERS directly TEACHING kids, imagine that. One of his most notable findings was the importance of immediate, regular, descriptive feedback from teachers to students (think coaching, music teaching..). Costs money though, not what they want to hear.

 

jerrym

kropotkin1951 wrote:

 The fact that he uses fill in phrases and ums and ers while thinking makes him similar to most of us. would all say that it is a provincial matter.

He looks reasonably competent in Question Period delivering a prepared statement but he is umming and urring all over the place during a scrum. Where this might trip him up is from an unanticipated question during a TV debate. Depending on the circumstances, this could be costly during an election campaign.  

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

tyoung wrote:

This could be a new era of supportive action by the fed in the bctf's favour.

The BC Fed always says the right things. I too would like to see a new era of action and not just words or a one day of action however the structure of the Fed is what ties its hands. It is an umbrella organization that has no power to tell any individual union what it should do around any issue especially one that involves union members being involved in job action.

tyoung

^I wAs making a sarcastic comment tagged on to the end of a moustache jab at the two Jims... the fed will do nothing for us.