Does john horgan have what it takes to lead the bc ndp?

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NorthReport
Does john horgan have what it takes to lead the bc ndp?

Just askin'

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

OK...do YOU think he does or not?  What's your take on the guy, North?

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

Yes. Which should immediately disqualify him for the job. [/rim shot]

felixr

No. He came third to Dix. Both he and Farnworth should sit this one out. Renewal is needed, no more retreads.

NorthReport

So who else is leaving the sinking ship

Two down or is it three now but lots more to go eh!

The province columnist today says he has pissed off people with his fiery temper

Maybe we need some of that because whatever it is we are doing is certainly not working

NorthReport

The bc ndp has been wearing blinkers for a long time now

Ideally we find someone from outside but who is the question

Most people probably think the leadership is not worth persuing

And who can fault them for that.

The party iis going broke so fast it will make you heads spin.

Right now and anything i have witnessed since the electiom makes it apparent that the bc ndp will come in 3rd in the next election assuming there will only be 3 parties contesting in 2017

Policywonk

NorthReport wrote:
The bc ndp has been wearing blinkers for a long time now Ideally we find someone from outside but who is the question Most people probably think the leadership is not worth persuing And who can fault them for that. The party iis going broke so fast it will make you heads spin. Right now and anything i have witnessed since the electiom makes it apparent that the bc ndp will come in 3rd in the next election assuming there will only be 3 parties contesting in 2017

To whom? The Greens haven't got the organization or the culture to win more than a few seats on the Island in a best case scenario next election, and their culture prevents them from developing the organization.

Stockholm

felixr wrote:

No. He came third to Dix. Both he and Farnworth should sit this one out. Renewal is needed, no more retreads.

That's a ridiculous attitude - just because someone ran and lost two years ago shouldn't disqualify them from running next time and winning. In 1969 Tom Berger narrowly beat Dave Barrett in a hotly contested leadership contest. Berger went on the lose the 1969 election. Barrett was then crowned as new leader and he went on the win in a landslide in 1972.

I can think of a few other electorally successful politicians who won their parties leadership on a second try - Jean Chretien, Brian Mulroney...also John Diefenbaker ran and lost in TWO attempts to win the federal PC leadershiup before finally winning it and then sweeping the country!

NorthReport

Major major changes are required to ever again seriously consider the bc ndp has a chance to win an election

quizzical

NorthReport wrote:
Major major changes are required to ever again seriously consider the bc ndp has a chance to win an election

pretty dramatic but i agree major changes are needed like David Eby becoming leader. John nice as he is isn't it.

i remember my first time voting and voting for the BCNDP when they had 2 mla's.

Policywonk

NorthReport wrote:
Major major changes are required to ever again seriously consider the bc ndp has a chance to win an election

I would agree that major changes are needed and leadership is only one of them; and probably not the most important one.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Fortunately the President and other members of the old guard are not going to be running the party soon. It will be interesting to see who gets elected to run the party next. Anyone from the 1990's BCNDP need not apply for the job of Leader since it will only lead to sorrow. If Horgan or Heyman or Farnsworth become leader the party is bound to lose.

jas

"...[S]ince there's little likelihood the NDP will win an election in three years time with the tired tropes that have got it nowhere for half a generation now, why not spend the time in Opposition vigorously opposing our descent into climate chaos, and harnessing the NDP wagon to a world-leading strategy for a clean energy future? An actual one, not just another serving of petro pablum.

...British Columbians know the jig is up on our carbon-saturated economy. There is a real appetite, dare I say a craving for articulate, trustworthy, serious and disruptive leadership around this issue, which is the issue of our time and our place. Horgan's first official event? To go to Western Stevedoring's terminal in North Vancouver and don not just a hard hat, but steel-toed boots. Good thing about those boots, because without the courage to lead, John Horgan's NDP seems locked and loaded for a long season aiming at its own foot."

http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2014/05/20/John-Horgan-Climate-Change/

Tired tropes is right. I don't think Horgan will change a thing. The NDP won't take a stance, won't offer us any new direction, won't provide any exciting alternative to vote for. Could be some good opportunities for the Greens in the next few years, but they'd need to show they can offer more than just an environmental platform.

Mean Moe

They need to do the opposite, they need to show more willingness to embrace development and jobs. Otherwise they will not win. "Green" voters in BC only effect 3-4 seats concentrated in Vancouver and S Island, while moving away from them will open up to 10 seats elsewhere in the province. Sounds like some pretty easy math to me. 

Mean Moe

They need to do the opposite, they need to show more willingness to embrace development and jobs. Otherwise they will not win. "Green" voters in BC only effect 3-4 seats concentrated in Vancouver and S Island, while moving away from them will open up to 10 seats elsewhere in the province. Sounds like some pretty easy math to me.