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The John Horgan - BC NDP Good News Government

is just beginning!

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The John Horgan - BC NDP Good News Government follows through on their election promise and raises disability and welfare rates 

https://www.google.ca/amp/vancouversun.com/news/local-news/ndp-follow-th...

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Ms. Sanford will work in the premier's office, meaning taxpayers will be covering her salary. The New Democrats declined to say how much Ms. Sanford will be paid, whether she will have any additional staff, or the size of the new secretariat's budget. They said those details will come out later, once the party has transitioned into government.

Wow.  So the NDP and Greens can't just get along.

The taxpayers have to pay some sort of "life coach" to help them get along.

What's the "Good News" part of this, NorthReport?  Try to answer without even once saying "Liberals".

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On Vaughan Palmer's show last night it was suggested that something like the secretariat would be needed anyway, to keep the Geeens well-informed because they could not be present at cabinet or NDP caucus meetings. I may have the wording wrong but that was the gist of it. To me that makes a certain amount of sense (but I'm not politically astute :))

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something like the secretariat would be needed anyway, to keep the Geeens well-informed because they could not be present at cabinet or NDP caucus meetings. I may have the wording wrong but that was the gist of it.

Couldn't the NDP just share information with their partners FOR FREE?

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Of course it makes sense the only issue is whether the political parties or the taxpayers should pay for it

Perhaps that is an Issue that can be addressed when the changes come in election  financing

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Of course it makes sense the only issue is whether the political parties or the taxpayers should pay for it

Um, in dollars and cents, how many dollars and cents should it cost for two groups to just not be asshats and get along?

I'm asking for a NUMBER here.  A number of dollars and cents.

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This had got to stop

Limits need to put on these payouts

Severance packages for Liberals cost taxpayers millions

 

http://www.theprovince.com/news/politics/severance+packages+fired+libera...

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This had got to stop

Limits need to put on these payouts

Severance packages for Liberals cost taxpayers millions

Did you mean to say "severance packages for terminated employees"?

In the Sears restructuring thread you adorably suggested:

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Those workers should launch a class action suit against governments where Sears operated

... but now you think severance needs to end?  Or wait... just severance "for Liberals"??

Here's another way to have to pay less severance:  don't fire everyone just so you can replace them with your hand-picked friends!  That would work too, yes?

quizzical

make no mistake they and more need to be fired.

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BC voted for change, so change is what we are going to get

Unfortunately these obscene severance packages have to be paid Perhaps Horgan will be able to put a cap on them. Here's hoping!

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Unfortunately these obscene severance packages have to be paid

Not necessarily!

BC could apply for creditor protection, just like Sears did.  Or else, yes, they will have to be paid, at least within the statutory limits. 

It's fascinating to me that your animosity toward "Liberals" has such a grip on you that you're actually suggesting they shouldn't.

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Unfortunately these obscene severance packages have to be paid

Not necessarily!

BC could apply for creditor protection, just like Sears did.  Or else, yes, they will have to be paid, at least within the statutory limits. 

It's fascinating to me that your animosity toward "Liberals" has such a grip on you that you're actually suggesting they shouldn't.

It will be interesting to see if the same people arguing against severance packages now will be singing the same tune when an NDP government is replaced. With the merger of the right in Alberta, it looks like many people working for the Notley government there will be getting severance packages in a couple of years.

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We don't even need to wait.  From NR's own article:

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In 2001, when the B.C. Liberals transitioned in to power after defeating the NDP, the severance bill was $9 million, which, adjusted for inflation, puts it slightly higher than the amount spent by the NDP.

Now I suppose one could spin that as "look at those f**king Liberals wasting our money" rather than as "look at that sacked NDP deadwood and their sense of entitlement", but this is, after all, solely about "Liberals".  One day they're spending too much, the next day expecting too much!

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lol jkr.

the AB right is united only until the leadeship convention is over.

each of the 3 factions believes their own choice will win. hard feelings will be everywhere.

and what the real PC's will do is up in the air.  will they stay with the AB party or vote NDP? 

urban vs rural will play into it.

 

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Severence pay is just another sop to the rich whether it be Sears executives or political hacks 

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Severence pay is just another sop to the rich whether it be Sears executives or political hacks

I see.

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quizzical wrote:

lol jkr.

the AB right is united only until the leadeship convention is over.

each of the 3 factions believes their own choice will win. hard feelings will be everywhere.

and what the real PC's will do is up in the air.  will they stay with the AB party or vote NDP? 

urban vs rural will play into it.

 

Yeah, there'll be a lot of bitter feelings after the United Conservative leadership convention, but I don't think it'll be enough to prompt another schism. They'll go into the next election with only one right-wing party of any significance, and, much as I don't like to acknowledge this, the NDP is probably unpopular enough in Alberta that most people leaning toward the UCP will get off the couch and vote, rather than staying home, regardless of how alienated they feel from the party leadership. 

But yeah, the Red Tory/Alberta Party axis might be something to watch, especially if traditional Tories are still itching to get rid of the NDP, but view the UCP as dominated by the Lake Of Fire crowd.  

 

 

 

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Starke just announced he will not be joining or representing the UCP as MLA for Lloydminister. he's right pissed.

what happens from here who knows. independant, AB Party, or NDP?

the 95% numbers they're chucking around are pretty funny. 95% of how many?

i heard the voter numbers were small in both parties and if not for derek getting the numbers out it would've been even fewer. if true he could end up winning leadership even. a hilarious visual.

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quizzical wrote:

Starke just announced he will not be joining or representing the UCP as MLA for Lloydminister. he's right pissed.

what happens from here who knows. independant, AB Party, or NDP?

the 95% numbers they're chucking around are pretty funny. 95% of how many?

i heard the voter numbers were small in both parties and if not for derek getting the numbers out it would've been even fewer. if true he could end up winning leadership even. a hilarious visual.

News Flash!!

"Alberta and British Columbia" are actually separate provinces. John Horgan is only premier in one of them and none of  these folks are part of his B.C "Good News" government.

JKR

voice of the damned wrote:

quizzical wrote:

lol jkr.

the AB right is united only until the leadeship convention is over.

each of the 3 factions believes their own choice will win. hard feelings will be everywhere.

and what the real PC's will do is up in the air.  will they stay with the AB party or vote NDP? 

urban vs rural will play into it.

 

Yeah, there'll be a lot of bitter feelings after the United Conservative leadership convention, but I don't think it'll be enough to prompt another schism. They'll go into the next election with only one right-wing party of any significance, and, much as I don't like to acknowledge this, the NDP is probably unpopular enough in Alberta that most people leaning toward the UCP will get off the couch and vote, rather than staying home, regardless of how alienated they feel from the party leadership. 

But yeah, the Red Tory/Alberta Party axis might be something to watch, especially if traditional Tories are still itching to get rid of the NDP, but view the UCP as dominated by the Lake Of Fire crowd.  

 

The right in Canada understands how vote-splitting affects FPTP elections so they merge political parties when vote-splitting puts them at a disadvantage. It will be interesting to see how the left in Alberta reacts when the UCP wins a huge phoney FPTP majority and the Alberta NDP gets decimated.

It will be sad watching the Alberta NDP support electoral reform again when they are back sitting on the opposition benches. Maybe they should try enacting electoral reform while they are still government?

quizzical

John was too funny yesterday in his Ottawa press conference.

loved loved loved his "spills can happen anywhere".

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Interestin' how desperate the Liberals are for credibility with the progressive crowd although they are anything but.......

John Ivison: Trudeau and new B.C. premier agree — don't mention the pipeline

http://nationalpost.com/opinion/john-ivison-trudeau-and-new-b-c-premier-...

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Excellent article.

A good start would be for all BC citizens to do their banking in BC with a local credit union where investment decisions are made in BC rather than in TO, New York or Abu Dhabi.

Big Job for NDP: End Decades of Disempowerment in BC’s Interior

Returning control over resources and benefits to rural workers and communities should be top of list.

Raw logs

Recently, groups and municipalities in the Fort Nelson/Northern Rockies region have called for more say over forest lands, as well as the establishment of large community forests, while others in the Northwest region have proposed mechanisms for the sharing of resource revenues.

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One particular concern has been who controls the forests in terms of tenure and management. Of growing concern also is who controls the revenue generated by the workforces and communities acting on the resource base, whether it be forestry, mining, hydro-electric generation, or oil & gas. With more control, opportunities open up. But with little or no control, and big corporate and foreign interests calling the shots, is it any wonder there is opposition to some projects?

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Over the decades, a few empowerment mechanisms have been put in place, such as the Community Forest concept and the Fair Share program in the Peace country. But these, while small steps forward, are limited in scope given the magnitude of the problem.

It is a sad fact that the people and communities of the region are alienated from the rich resources that surround them. Key decisions about these resources are mostly made in the boardrooms of globalized mega-corporations or far off government offices. And the same holds true for resource revenues and reinvestment.

There are alternatives. One is the Regional Management Board concept, which gives regions and communities more say in forestry decisions. Another is the Forest Trust concept, which provides communities with direct control over the forestry resource through a democratic process, while entrusting environmental and other regulation to the provincial government.

And there are proposals to require corporations to reinvest revenues in the communities where the revenues are generated rather than whisking them away to be invested in mills in the U.S. and other countries, which is now happening at an alarming rate. This could be a broader version of the old appurtenancy requirement (eliminated by the BC Liberals in 2003) that stipulated that logs be processed in or near the communities where they were harvested.

The current wildfires devastating the region are even more reason for adopting further community empowerment mechanisms, especially if, as some are predicting, these wildfires become the new normal as a result of climate change and other factors.

This is not a left versus right issue. Neither is it an NDP-Green versus Liberal issue. Nor should it be. Such party pigeonholing is archaic and only serves to divide people. Rather it is a community, regional and provincial issue and a matter of deepening, expanding and renewing the democratic process.

A new government is in place. At the very least, it should consider running pilot projects of various kinds that put more control into the hands of workers, communities and regions, and the Opposition should support these initiatives.

Empowerment is the answer to disempowerment. We need new ways to deal with a changing world.  [Tyee]

https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2017/07/26/NDP-Ends-Disempowerment-Decade/

 

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Agreed, big time!

Let's for a change in Canada have a government of the people, by the people, for the people.

Horgan’s challenge: rein-in the B.C. government’s expensive propaganda and secrecy beasts

http://thebreaker.news/miscellany/government-info/

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Eliminate the tolls on the bridges, reduce MSP premiums by 50% on January 1st and eventually eliminated,  $15 minimum wage, $10 child care

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Eliminate the tolls on the bridges, reduce MSP premiums by 50% on January 1st and eventually eliminated,  $15 minimum wage, $10 child care

Sure sound like a people's agenda and that John Horgan is in charge

 

Premier John  Horgan delivers his marching orders err mandate orders to his new BC Cabinet Ministers

They are all here

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/british-columbia/john-horgan-delivers...

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How much more of the USA BS are we going to subject ourselves to before we say fuck NAFTA it ain't worth the paper it is written on, eh!

https://www.google.ca/amp/globalnews.ca/news/3628180/john-horgan-softwoo...

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Read the whole article as this actually is about John Horgan who by-the-way is looking better and better with each passing day

http://www.straight.com/news/943116/christy-clarks-ideological-contortio...

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Read the whole article as this actually is about John Horgan who by-the-way is looking better and better with each passing day

Better enough that you're ready to pull a hard 180 and say that he SHOULDN'T step down, now?

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You continue to do one hell of a job Christy!

Clark’s exit strengthens NDP power grip

http://www.nsnews.com/opinion/columnists/baldrey-clark-s-exit-strengthen...

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Do you even read the comments or responses of other babblers?

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quizzical wrote:

lol jkr.

the AB right is united only until the leadeship convention is over.

each of the 3 factions believes their own choice will win. hard feelings will be everywhere.

and what the real PC's will do is up in the air.  will they stay with the AB party or vote NDP? 

urban vs rural will play into it.

 

JKR is just bitter because the NDP won a solid majority in the last Alberta election on its own, proving that his proposal for dissolving the NDP and essentially forcing its members into a "unified" anti-PC grouping(which would have been nothing but a forced political marriage in which all non-reactionary Albertans would have been expected to vote for a program that was nothing but the most right-wing planks of the Alberta Party platform, with no progressive policies included at all)was proved unnecessary.  What he doesn't get is that, if that had been done, any government elected on such a non-platform would have been doomed to failure as a government-assuming it wasn't defeated by the voters simply due to the participation of the Alberta Liberals, the most hated party in the province-and thus be in even worse shape in the polls than the Notley government.

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Ken you are not doing the NDP who you profess to support any favours by your personal attacks Please just try sticking to debate topics and leave posters personalities out of it if you can

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And yes more very good news from Premier John

BC's Human Rights Commission has been restored by the NDP

JKR

Ken Burch wrote:

quizzical wrote:

lol jkr.

the AB right is united only until the leadeship convention is over.

each of the 3 factions believes their own choice will win. hard feelings will be everywhere.

and what the real PC's will do is up in the air.  will they stay with the AB party or vote NDP? 

urban vs rural will play into it.

 

JKR is just bitter because the NDP won a solid majority in the last Alberta election on its own, proving that his proposal for dissolving the NDP and essentially forcing its members into a "unified" anti-PC grouping(which would have been nothing but a forced political marriage in which all non-reactionary Albertans would have been expected to vote for a program that was nothing but the most right-wing planks of the Alberta Party platform, with no progressive policies included at all)was proved unnecessary.  What he doesn't get is that, if that had been done, any government elected on such a non-platform would have been doomed to failure as a government-assuming it wasn't defeated by the voters simply due to the participation of the Alberta Liberals, the most hated party in the province-and thus be in even worse shape in the polls than the Notley government.

I was and still am ecstatic the NDP won in Alberta. I also very much prefer the Alberta NDP's policies over their competitors' policies. But my support for the NDP does not blind me to political reality. We'll see how things work out for the Alberta NDP at the 2019 election and beyond that. My guess is that the Alberta NDP will find itself back in opposition while people on the left in Alberta will wish the NDP government had established electoral reform when they had the chance. With the right of centre no longer splitting the vote in Alberta it looks like the left will be back on the sidelines for at least another few decades in Alberta.

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First sending Site C for  review and now this - how refreshing to have a Premier that keeps his word and also tries his best to protect the interests of all BC citizens instead of the priviledged few

https://www.google.ca/amp/vancouversun.com/news/local-news/premier-horga...

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Good thing he didn't retire when you told him to.

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Come on John, let's have a big corruption inquiry now!

https://dogwoodbc.ca/big-money-inquiry-fast/

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