Alberta Polls

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ilha formosa

Winston wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

It sure looks like Prentice, Harper, and Trudeau are fucked in Alberta

Let's not break out the bubbly just yet. At least a quarter of the votes Alberta's NDP is going to get tomorrow are from dyed-in-the-wool Harper supporters. It's a populist vote, more than a left-wing one.

The results of this election will need to be well-spun from now until Sunday to have an impact federally. Incidentally, I am sure they will be! 

Can’t translate it into federal results so easily. The Alberta PCs have held power for 44 years, and the Notley factor is huge. Also, the provincial NDP needs to be very judicious in its first days. Stupid moves, which I don’t foresee, would trigger a backlash and conceivably a federal Conservative majority.

I’m thinking the actions of the voters who elected Nenshi as mayor will decide if it’s a majority or minority NDP government.

Howard

I can't allow myself to believe the polls because the disappointment will be too great when on election night we see the usual and expected result of the conservatives forming government. Factors that I think will narrow the gap:

1) PC electoral machine

They have a GOTV effort that is vastly superior to that of any of the competitor parties and they know how to make contact with their membership and mobilise them.

2) Regional numbers

Forum's latest poll had the NDP at 45%. Stunning result, but...look at all of the regional breakdowns outside of Edmonton and Calgary and the Wildrose and NDP are statistically tied. This is the problem, if the "change" voters are overpolled (and for several elections now conservative voters have been underpolled), then the result in these areas is a toss-up. Calgary also has the outlines of a race where the NDP would win some but not all seats. Edmonton looks like an NDP landslide. To win the government, the NDP needs a lot more than just Edmonton, so it remains to be seen if Calgary can provide enough seats to cover for what is looks to be a weaker performance in the other (North, South, and Centre) regions of the province.

3) Who gets polled

Alberta has experienced so much growth over the last ten years that it is hardly any wonder how hard it is to poll. Cities, housing, everything has not been able to keep up with the pace of growth at times. Polling companies are no different. Managing to build good call and poll lists must be a major challenge- it's hard enough in provinces that have been relatively static just because of the decline of land lines. Edmonton and Calgary have over 2 million inhabitants between them, and are easier to poll than the rest of the province but only represent half the population and half the seats.

We'll have to wait and see. On the conservative side, Lorne Gunter's column today read like the warm-up to a concession speech.

nicky

I agree that the numbers look too good to be true, but that doesn't mean they are not.

Slot the poll numbers into this simulator. ( I have used today's Forum numbers but you can put in anything you like)

The numbers are astounding.

http://www.tooclosetocall.ca/p/alberta-2015-simulator.html

It may be that the NDP concentration in Edmonton may limit gains elsewhere. But the NDP is running first everywhere except maybe the rural south.

The PC vote may be "efficient" at high levels becaus it is relatively even accross the province but it becomes very inefficient at the low levels relected in the polls precisely because there is no geographical concentrtion.

There is good reason to expect the PCs to be reduced to a handful of seats. Zero is an outside possibility.

Pierre C yr

Oddly as long as the NDP gets a majority Id be happier with the tories reduced to zero even if its with wildrose help, better without of course, as it would have serious ramifications for the federal tories.

 

 

Basement Dweller

A massive NDP majority would send the right-wing into disarray. This is important as it will allow a Notley NDP government some breathing room from corporate attacks.

GTY

Howard wrote:

I can't allow myself to believe the polls because the disappointment will be too great when on election night we see the usual and expected result of the conservatives forming government. Factors that I think will narrow the gap:

1) PC electoral machine

They have a GOTV effort that is vastly superior to that of any of the competitor parties and they know how to make contact with their membership and mobilise them.

2) Regional numbers

Forum's latest poll had the NDP at 45%. Stunning result, but...look at all of the regional breakdowns outside of Edmonton and Calgary and the Wildrose and NDP are statistically tied. This is the problem, if the "change" voters are overpolled (and for several elections now conservative voters have been underpolled), then the result in these areas is a toss-up. Calgary also has the outlines of a race where the NDP would win some but not all seats. Edmonton looks like an NDP landslide. To win the government, the NDP needs a lot more than just Edmonton, so it remains to be seen if Calgary can provide enough seats to cover for what is looks to be a weaker performance in the other (North, South, and Centre) regions of the province.

3) Who gets polled

Alberta has experienced so much growth over the last ten years that it is hardly any wonder how hard it is to poll. Cities, housing, everything has not been able to keep up with the pace of growth at times. Polling companies are no different. Managing to build good call and poll lists must be a major challenge- it's hard enough in provinces that have been relatively static just because of the decline of land lines. Edmonton and Calgary have over 2 million inhabitants between them, and are easier to poll than the rest of the province but only represent half the population and half the seats.

We'll have to wait and see. On the conservative side, Lorne Gunter's column today read like the warm-up to a concession speech.

 

I'm not sure the PC electoral machine is "vastly" superior in ALL of the 87 ridings.  Certainly, going into the election, they planned for and placed a lot of resources in what they expected to be the most competative ridings.  In the case where the NDP was competative going into the election a strong "Maginot Line" would have been put in place.  But the NDP has become far too strong in those competative ridings.

In many of the ridings where the PC's expected a cake walk, they may have a "superior" GOTV machine compared to other parties, but in actual fact innefectual to really make a dent in the numbers.

The Conservatives also have to face up against the mood of their own supporters.  Many of them also believe that it is time for a change.  Some of them may be very cranky and decide to stay at home.

I predict that PC E-day workers are coming up against supporters who don't want to vote, split households where they remind the NDP supporters to vote, as well as "supporters" who are no longer supporters.  That happens to all parties in all elections but it is going to be much more so for them in this election.

 

I understand the concept of the "change" voters seem disproportionately higher because they are believed to answer the polling questions rather than hang up.  But there has been a drop in PC support at the beginning of the campaign and during and after the leaders debate.  The NDP has picked up support from all the other political parties and that has not stopped.

Your comments regarding polls are valid and apply all over Alberta.  They have less meaning in Edmonton because the NDP is so far ahead of everyon else.

In Calgary, where the races are tighter is is meaningful to question the polls.  I'm just saying that because of the trends, your concerns would apply more a week ago than today.

jerrym

Basement Dweller wrote:

A massive NDP majority would send the right-wing into disarray. This is important as it will allow a Notley NDP government some breathing room from corporate attacks.

Do you really think coropoations that are members of the richest industry in the world would give up attacking the NDP after a massive NDP victory?

They would instead massively fund whatever exising right-wing party or create a new one, as well as even more ultra-right think tanks to manufacture abundant and widespread media copy, as happened after the NDP won a massive victory in BC in 1975. They funded the already existing Socred party (aka right-wing coalition of pre-existing Socred, Libs and Cons) and when that failed they funded the new BC Liberal party, which has more Cons than Libs. They also created the Fraser Institute as a megaphone to spread their views and drown out others.

Any kind of NDP victory or even near-victory will create an avalanche of support for whatever right-wing causes, think tanks, media or parties they think will bring them back to power. The NDP needs to be ready for this like a mountaineer going into avalanche country.

 

josh

Forum came closest to the NDP number.  Ipsos (not surprisingly) had the NDP lower than any other pollster.

Leger came closest to the PC number, while Leger, Forum and Ekos nailed the WR number.

 

http://www.tooclosetocall.ca/2015/05/how-did-polls-perform-for-2015-alberta.html

NorthReport

Election Results

NDP - 41%, PC - 28%, WR - 24%

Pollsters in their last poll who came the closest to the 3 parties above in best to worst accuracy order and by how much they were off:

Leger / -5%

EKOS / -7%

Ipsos Reid / -10%

Return on Insight / -10%

Forum Reasearch / -10%

Insights West / -11%

Mainstreet Technologies / -12%

ThinkHQ / -13%

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberta_general_election,_2015#Opinion_polls

NorthReport

Hey Presto - read this and weep!

No regrets about election outcome, say Albertans in new poll

THE UPSHOT?

In our next release, we will explore what Albertans say this election turned on. From these results, a few things that are evident.

First, this was a sweeping consensus for change rather than a divisive result. Few voters are unhappy, many are hopeful. Older voters are more anxious, but in this election, their preferences did not carry the day.

Second, Alberta has long been reputed to be quite conservative and hostile to left of centre politicians, but these results paint a more nuanced picture. That three of four say they could see themselves voting NDP if the Notley government performs well indicates that they think good performance is possible, regardless of partisanship.

Undoubtedly, many of these voters will be looking for pragmatic rather than ideological choices, and in a difficult economic and fiscal context, maintaining this level of  positive feeling among voters will not be easy. But the new Premier starts with much more “benefit of the doubt” than might have been expected. This was not a “hold your nose” choice nor is it characterized as a “devil you don’t know” outcome for the large majority of Albertans.

- See more at: http://abacusdata.ca/no-regrets-about-election-outcome-say-albertans-in-...

 

http://abacusdata.ca/no-regrets-about-election-outcome-say-albertans-in-...

NorthReport
Hunky_Monkey

Odd.  I think it's a rouge poll.  No actions taken or annoucements made would result in a drop to 31% and Wildrose to 40%.  Unless other polls show this, I think Mainstreet/Postmedia will take a hit over it.

NorthReport

Rachel Notley at 59% in latest poll out today by ThinkHQ

NorthReport
Aristotleded24

[url=http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/poll-alberta-pcs-tories-ndp-wildro... Jason Kenney?[/url]

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In the May, 2015 provincial election, the Progressive Conservatives lost all but 10 of their seats in the legislature and won just 27.8 per cent of the vote.

But support for the PCs has now bounced back to 38.4 per cent, according to a new poll conducted by the Citizen Society Research Lab at Lethbridge College.

The Wildrose Party is in second place with 25.7 per cent and Rachel Notley's governing NDP is in third place with 19.7 per cent, the poll suggests.

NorthReport

When's the next election?

jjuares

NorthReport wrote:

When's the next election?


2019. As for this poll I have never heard of this s group.It seems to be a product of the the U of L I r a professor from that university.

NorthReport

Lots of time yet to burst Kenney's bubble, eh!

What was his position on TFWs eh!

jjuares

NorthReport wrote:

Lots of time yet to burst Kenney's bubble, eh!

What was his position on TFWs eh!


I am not sure about what his position on TFW. A rise in oil prices is needed to probably save Notley.

Aristotleded24

jjuares wrote:
NorthReport wrote:

Lots of time yet to burst Kenney's bubble, eh!

What was his position on TFWs eh!

I am not sure about what his position on TFW. A rise in oil prices is needed to probably save Notley.

Why isn't Notley moving faster on her campaign promise to diversify Alberta's economy to make it less vulnerable to oil price crashes in the first place? I'm sure there's a great deal of public support for that idea within Alberta.

Aristotleded24

[url=http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/carbon-tax-poll-opposition-coal-fi... oppose carbon tax, coal plants:[/url]

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According to the survey released Friday by the Citizen Society Research Lab at Lethbridge College, 67.2 per cent of voting-age Albertans oppose the tax, which is set to take effect in 2017.

"Majorities in all regions of Alberta are opposed to the carbon tax plan," research chair Faron Ellis said in a release for the poll.

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The Lethbridge College opinion survey also asked voters what they think about the provincial government's plan to phase out coal-fired electricity by 2030.

Overall, a slim majority — 52.5 per cent — supports the plan, but a distinct rural-urban split emerges on the issue, the poll says.

"While slight majorities of Calgary (58.8%) and Edmonton residents (53.9%) are supportive, slight majorities of southern Albertans outside of Calgary (50.7%) and northern Albertans outside of the Edmonton-area (52.2%) opposed."

jjuares

Aristotleded24 wrote:

jjuares wrote:
NorthReport wrote:

Lots of time yet to burst Kenney's bubble, eh!

What was his position on TFWs eh!

I am not sure about what his position on TFW. A rise in oil prices is needed to probably save Notley.

Why isn't Notley moving faster on her campaign promise to diversify Alberta's economy to make it less vulnerable to oil price crashes in the first place? I'm sure there's a great deal of public support for that idea within Alberta.


She is trying but this is going to take a generation.

NorthReport

Notley has to start making moves now to win re-elections as Kenney will soon be the leader of the united right in AB 

NorthReport
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A friend took the bus from Calgary to Vancouver and told me she saw an amazing number of wind turbines in the foothills. Sounds like a good place to me!

NorthReport

Gap narrowing between Kenney and Notley in Alberta: Mainstreet poll

 

https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/gap-narrowing-between-kenney-and-notley-in-a...

voice of the damned

NorthReport wrote:

Gap narrowing between Kenney and Notley in Alberta: Mainstreet poll

 

https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/gap-narrowing-between-kenney-and-notley-in-a...

I agree with the analysis of the researcher, ie. Notley is more of an asset to the NDP than Kenney is to the UCP.

To a large degree, I think Kenney just fluked his way into the big-leagues provincially: it was inevitable that when Albertans eventually turned against the NDP, they'd be willing to take anyone else as an alternative, and Kenney just happened to be well-situated to re-unite the right. If he had taken over a right-wing party at any other time in recent history, he'd likely have met the same fate as Smith in 2012, if indeed he even managed to get that far. 

That said, personal popularity aside, a 25% lead for the UCP is gonna be pretty hard to beat.

quizzical

VoD all depends on who will really vote. 

and what a failure the yellow vest AB further becomes.

things are getting messy for Kenney and supporters of Jean's will not not be voting for him. 

voice of the damned

quizzical wrote:

VoD all depends on who will really vote. 

and what a failure the yellow vest AB further becomes.

things are getting messy for Kenney and supporters of Jean's will not not be voting for him. 

Yeah, and I'm also wondering if the geriatric(sorry, but that WILL be an issue for some voters) leader of the Alberta Party can scoop up voters who are irreversibly pissed off at the NDP, but don't feel like risking a tumble back into the Lake Of Fire. Not that I think the AP can come anywhere near power, but if they(along with the Liberals in certain constituencies) can pull enough seats away from the UCP, maybe we're looking at a minority?

I'd throw the Freedom Conservative Whatever into the analysis, there, but I have to imagine that being led by such a lowbrow scofflaw has made them into a laughingstock.

JKR

What are the odds the right will split the vote again in Alberta now that they have merged into the UCP?

voice of the damned

JKR wrote:

What are the odds the right will split the vote again in Alberta now that they have merged into the UCP?

Just to be clear, you mean parties that are currently outside the merger take votes away from the UCP?

If so, that's kind of what I'm wondering. UCP defectors can be pulled in at least two different directions, the Alberta Party to the left, and Freedom Conservatives to the libertarian right. But the AP only managed to field 36 candidates in the last election, and unless they've significantly upped their game, I don't think they're likely to do much better this time. And even if their candidates are somewhat evenly spread, I don't think they have a lot of appeal outside of urban areas.

As for the Freedom Conservatives, as I say, my guess is they're a joke, but I really don't know.  

NorthReport

Rachel is going to get her pipeline and very soon, and when the shovels go into the ground again albeit it is a large gap but it will definitely shrink 

voice of the damned

And while doing some research just now, I came across this...

EDMONTON—An openly gay member of the United Conservative Party has left over leader Jason Kenney’s “troglodyte words” about gay rights.

On Thursday, Cody Johnston, a board member and campaign manager for the UCP, sent a letter to executive director Janice Harrington saying he wanted to be removed from all party boards and have his membership cancelled.

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Johnston is also the communications and policy director for the Freedom Conservative Party, led by Derek Fildebrandt.

So, if I'm reading this correctly...

The guy was a "board member and campaign manager for the UCP" at the same time that he was "the communications and policy director for the Freedom Conservative Party"?

I realize there might not be a huge ideological difference between the two parties, but still, given the potential for vote-splitting, they would definitely consider themselves to be adversaries. Surprising to say the least that a guy could have occupied adminsitrative jobs in both groups simultaneously.

(Or were his UCP gigs all prior to his FCP gigs, and he was only maintaining membership in the former at the time of his departure?)

https://tinyurl.com/y6ubwo8z

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

quizzical

the religious and eastern European ethnic votes will be at play. petroleum industry people not so much those still working aren't planning on voting and those not working have gone home to their provinces of origin.

also the fight between the Ft McMurray mayor and the oil industry companies might come into play.

 

voice of the damned

eastern European ethnic votes

What issues are bringing Eastern European ethnic votes into play at the provincial level?

Historically, Edmonton municipal politics used to have a bit of a divide along ethnic lines, namely between Ukrainians and what for lack of a better word I'll call "old-stock" voters. Never really heard about that being much of an issue provincially. Some of the Ukrainians might have stayed away from the NDP because of anti-Communist sentiment, but apart from that, both the Liberals and Conservatives have had Ukrainian leaders at various points, and managed to take their turns sweeping Edmonton.  

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voice of the damned wrote:

And while doing some research just now, I came across this...

EDMONTON—An openly gay member of the United Conservative Party has left over leader Jason Kenney’s “troglodyte words” about gay rights.

On Thursday, Cody Johnston, a board member and campaign manager for the UCP, sent a letter to executive director Janice Harrington saying he wanted to be removed from all party boards and have his membership cancelled.

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Johnston is also the communications and policy director for the Freedom Conservative Party, led by Derek Fildebrandt.

So, if I'm reading this correctly...

The guy was a "board member and campaign manager for the UCP" at the same time that he was "the communications and policy director for the Freedom Conservative Party"?

I realize there might not be a huge ideological difference between the two parties, but still, given the potential for vote-splitting, they would definitely consider themselves to be adversaries. Surprising to say the least that a guy could have occupied adminsitrative jobs in both groups simultaneously.

(Or were his UCP gigs all prior to his FCP gigs, and he was only maintaining membership in the former at the time of his departure?)

https://tinyurl.com/y6ubwo8z

 

This guy joins a far right Conservative Party lead by Jason Kenney,to boot, and he's just realizing that movement is the troglodyte's garden? Has this man been in a coma his whole life? The dude would buy a 50 lb bag of ice while sitting up North on an ice glacier. What a gullible fuck.

 

 

 

 

 

Aristotleded24

Kenny to fight federal government stress test regulations if elected:

Quote:

"If you elect a United Conservative government, we are going to go to bat for (those) ... who are being pushed away from home ownership because of the prejudicial, regional, unfair stress test imposed by the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corp.," Kenney said Wednesday in a speech to Calgary real estate agents.

"The current NDP government has been absolutely silent about this. We will not be."

The stress tests are meant as a stopgap to make sure that anyone taking out home loans has the finances to weather increases in interest rates. Critics say the rules unfairly hinder home-buying and depress the market.

What's with the entitlement mentality of the right wing in Alberta? It's not as if other communities in the country haven't experienced the same problems during a downturn?

I did a quick Google search and only CBC and the Calgary Herald have picked this up so far. What's really instructive is that Kenney's getting the stuffing beat out of him in the comment section of both.

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