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Continued from here.


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Slumberjack
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moved...


Northern Shoveler
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Unionist wrote:

Rabble article by Gail Davidson, from Lawyers Against The War:

Occupy Vancouver the safest place for abandoned people

Removal of the tents from the public square on the north side of VAG would deny the Occupy Vancouver people their Charter-protected right to publicly protest and to engage in public education and debate on the quickening erosion of the most basic freedoms. It would also expose the vulnerable residents of Occupy Vancouver to greater harm.

I thought I would bring this forward to the next thread.  Gail is right of course.  The only protection for the Occupy sites is for far more people than have been there to date to arrive as reinforcements.  There is no right to protest in Canada.  There is merely a right to protest until told to stop by a court.  They make the laws to chain us well.

 


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one small thing ...

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Occupy Vancouver is doing meaningful work for democracy and needs to be supported. Many people can't make it down there but need somewhere to express their support.

So I signed a petition to City of Vancouver, which says:

"The supporters of Occupy Vancouver need to make their voices known. The City is preparing an injunction on the grounds of health and safety. We all know this is a political issue. We're calling on the city to support democracy in action.

Occupy Vancouver is part of a growing worldwide movement to brings governments back to the people. We oppose systemic inequality, militarization, environmental destruction, and the erosion of civil liberties and human rights. We seek economic security, genuine equality, and the protection of the environment for all. We can not be at the Vancouver Art Gallery but we believe in this movement. We are also voters. We call on the city to:

1. Stop bowing to political pressure to remove the camp and acknowledge that a political protest is protected under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

2. Acknowledge that the City is playing politics with health and safety and the VFD is being used to pursue the political goal of rem oving the camp before the election.

3. Recognize that encampments are integral to Occupy Vancouver and the movement as a whole. Talk of splitting the two is a disingenuous way to split the issue. The protest is the encampment is the movement.

4. Acknowledge that Vancouver, like many other cities, has numerous citizens who are disenfranchised and addicted to drugs.

5. Acknowledge that people overdose and die on the streets of Vancouver every day.

6. Follow the lead of Irvine, California and Los Angeles, California and endorse the occupation."

Will you sign the petition too? Click here to add your name:

http://signon.org/sign/i-support-occupy-vancouver-1?source=s.fwd&r_by=1530134[/quote]

 


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Coalition of so-called progressive electors issues mealy-mouthed statement of support for Occupy Vancouver

They support the "goals and message" of the Occupy movement, but nowhere do they support the legal and moral right of the occupiers to remain undisturbed by the City and the cops.

They want city officials to "work carefully" to ensure the health and safety of the Occupy Vancouver demonstrators - which of course is what the city officials are saying is their true objective in ousting the demonstrators! COPE is saying, in effect, "be careful not to hurt anyone as you break up their protest".

And by expressing support for "taking this movement beyond the Vancouver Art Gallery" COPE is in effect telling the demonstrators to pack up and go home.

COPE supports Mayor Robertson's bid for re-election, so they don't want to say anything against his assault on the Occupy movement and its rights to protest.  

 


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..yesterday i arrive at the occupy from the howe and granville near 6pm. i see a firetruck parked near a vehicle entrance to the art gallery/occupy. i head over to it to see what's going on. there's firemen and other people standing around talking but not to each other. there is no sense of emergency. this must be a new fixture. i decide to go see what's on the hornby st. side. i first see 2 policemen standing and talking. i see another firetruck parked across the street. in font of it were 2 smaller fire dept trucks. i look away for a moment and look back. the policemen are gone. were did they go i wonder and look down the block. the cops are now talking to fire dept people outside a fire command vehicle (a specialized motor home). wow i'm thinking big time bucks being spent = big time crisis to get rid of the occupiers.

..i'm in time for open mike another hour to assembly. there are about 30 maybe 40 people standing around, there's a woman at the mike who has a mission. she's telling the occupation that they are waisting there time and that they are stupid. there are 2 young girls cheering her on and videoing her. next up is a 1st nations woman who sang a couple songs. then came a guy who was a member of the bcgeu and worked for the gov. he spoke of his low wage and the length of time since his last increase. He said he was a born again christian and that he was not like sarah palin. and that all born agains should come and support the occupy. a poem was read, a nurse spoke out a warning saying that there was a black heron going on that is leading to people dying. and more until it was time for assembly.

..there are around 100 people and it begins with some exercises, breathing and the kind that shakes your body around. then reports from committees:

health and safety (under discussion)

  • buddy system when using. if you don't have one come to the info tent and you will be provided one.

  • tent checks

  • provide a space for users to use. none judgemental. no one has ever died using at incite.

infrastructure and finances

  • in answer to how will we ever survive the winter. reports on big tents housing little tents will make things warmer and dryer. more of the total occupy area is being covered in everyday. creating dry spaces to eat, talk and enjoy yourself.

  • we have succeed in getting a bank account under the name occupy vancouver. it was tricky but van city credit union created a first. we have over $5000 in that account and another $2000 coming in from pay pal

..there was more reports but these caught my attention the most.

..the assembly then dealt with a motion to adopt a letter that would go out to the media and the internet re the death of ashlie gough. the 2 people who blocked spoke then another person who was ashlie's friend. what came trough was the family did not want the death to be used for political purposes and that ashlie was not a part of the movement. the motion was withdrawn.

..a native woman in a scooter came forward to ask for a moment of silence and to speak about the death of ashlie and others. she spoke about an event that occurred today. a collaboration of indigenous people and occupy vancouver. it called for unity in opposing the enbridge pipeline and mining. and how the native community came out in numbers she hadn't seen in a long while.

..and much much more. occupy vancouver is alive and well!

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theleftyinvestor
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Man, the municipal debate tonight between Gregor Robertson and Suzanne Anton was a shitshow.

The Occupy protesters, over the course of the evening, kept drowning out the debate to the point that sometimes even the audience members asking questions couldn't finish their sentences. Reverend Gary Paterson (Tim Stevenson's husband) played a very effective and sympathetic dialogue role with the protestors in getting them to have more respect for the space (the debate was in a United Church), but at a certain point in the evening his patience was incredibly tested. When some of the shouters even suggested they'd riot if they couldn't get all their questions answered (and the debate had already run overtime), he actually went so far as to sing until the protestors would quiet down. A number of people who walked into that room quite sympathetic to the Occupy movement walked out hanging their heads in shame.


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The traditional institutions of the state, churches included, are obviously unacquainted with having their voices drowned out and silenced.  We usually find the reverse, in that such limitations are ordinarily imposed upon the everyday experience of the many who have come to invest some of their hope into this movement.  It's the various manifestations of power who typically dispense silence and drowning.


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Occupy Vancouver: Government by Injunction

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According to media reports, the City of Vancouver will be in B.C. Supreme Court later today to apply for an injunction that would have the effect of evicting the Occupy Vancouver crowd from the Art Gallery grounds.  City Manager Penny Ballem is treating the matter as a fait accompli, and she’s probably right to do so, for the British Columbia courts have rarely shied away from granting such orders to government or corporate applicants.

However, in my humble opinion, using the civil court processes of injunction orders coupled with the prospect of contempt of court sanctions to control public behaviour is a wrongful abdication of responsibility.

 


theleftyinvestor
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The United Church is hardly a "traditional institution of the state"... The majority of the audience - dare I say nearly 99% - was there to listen to rational debate, not a vigilante mob. The protestors did not win any friends last night, that's for sure. For a movement that proclaims to represent the masses, this was not a step in the right direction. Also the problem with the "people's mic" in a cavernous church is, a few dozen screaming voices in approximate unison does not comprehensible speech make. Most of the room was unable to make out any meaning from the noise and offers to take questions from the same group were met with only more screaming. The overall effect was to drown out one discourse without actually adding any discernible contribution.

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I'm thinking it wasn't the protestors who made a farce of the mayor election, in which both leading opposing candidates first made a wedge issue out of the occupation and then duly agreed with each other to evict them. All this cynically based on the overdose death of a young woman in a neighbourhood in which more than 60 such deaths happen each year. Then the 25% or so of eligible voters who actually vote in civic elections wring their hands about hearing the "debate" on homelessness. Pope could write no better satire.


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I had wondered what would be the means by which the Occupy movement will eventually have to end or move away from its current form. I'm now pretty sure it's going to consist of a growing split between people who give precedence to the ideas and people who give precedence to the physical setup of tents. The former has the potential to bring more public opinion onside and perhaps even lead to substantial change. The latter is going to bleed away support until none is left.


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Catchfire wrote:

I'm thinking it wasn't the protestors who made a farce of the mayor election, in which both leading opposing candidates first made a wedge issue out of the occupation and then duly agreed with each other to evict them. All this cynically based on the overdose death of a young woman in a neighbourhood in which more than 60 such deaths happen each year. Then the 25% or so of eligible voters who actually vote in civic elections wring their hands about hearing the "debate" on homelessness. Pope could write no better satire.

I know it's bad form to quote entire posts when one has little to add, but this one merits an exception. Nothing to add.

 

 


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theleftyinvestor wrote:
The latter is going to bleed away support until none is left.

I don't understand that at all. It seems to me that the antagonism to the tents is completely superficial--as if those now objecting are relieved that they have a publicly acceptable reason to abandon the protest, irrespective of the actual logic of the objection. The anxiety piqued by the possibility of change now dissolved, they can return to the warm embrace of ideology.

ETA. Cross-posted with Unionist. *blush*


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If there is anything I learned last night, it's that Vancouver's mental health crisis is definitely more profound than I could have imagined.

It's impossible for me to "abandon the movement" when it was never mine to start with. I am simply incompatible with any movement where only the people who shout loudest get to make the decisions. Perhaps it is not surprising that I shy away from violently agitated people, as someone matching those same adjectives once stabbed me twice in the back slightly more than two years ago. I'm not keen to relive that experience, whether for real or as a trigger.

Warm embrace of ideology sounds much nicer to me.


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Northern Shoveler wrote:

The only protection for the Occupy sites is for far more people than have been there to date to arrive as reinforcements.

One major obstacle to a large show of solidarity for Occupy Vancouver is that the major unions in this city are all backing Vision Vancouver and Mayor Gregor Robertson's reelection bid. They are unlikely to come out and show support for Occupy Vancouver at this juncture.

The official noon-time rally of last week's CUPE national convention, denouncing greed, corporatism, and income inequality, was specifically NOT held at Occupy Vancouver, but rather on the plaza outside the Vancouver Convention Centre. 500 CUPE members did then march up to Occupy Vancouver, but this action was NOT supported by the CUPE leadership.

[edit: I originally posted the erroneous claim that CUPE had not endorsed Occupy Vancouver. I heard this from a friend, who heard it from CUPE members. I have since heard from another friend who is herself a CUPE member that the union has endorsed Occupy Vancouver and has sent them a $5000.00 cheque. I apologize to any members of CUPE who were offended by my original claim.]


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Yesterday I wrote an open letter to Gregor Robertson in response to his November 6th statement on Occupy. I encourage everyone who is concerned by the similarities between Anton and Robertson's pro-business, anti-justice platforms to consider doing the same.

I don't want to post the letter in its entirety here as it is a page long, but it can be viewed at www.ktrascal.com


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Left Turn wrote:
CUPE is the largest union in Vancouver, and it has specifically NOT endorsed Occupy Vancouver, most likely because of its support for Vision Vancouver and Mayor Gregor Robertson.

I thought it was moreso an endorsement of the COPE/Vision allince, and the belief that Gregor Roberston is the lesser of 2 evils and that the left will have more sway under him than under the NPA, as opposed to outright endorsing Vision per se?


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ktrascal wrote:
Yesterday I wrote an open letter to Gregor Robertson in response to his November 6th statement on Occupy. I encourage everyone who is concerned by the similarities between Anton and Robertson's pro-business, anti-justice platforms to consider doing the same.


I don't want to post the letter in its entirety here as it is a page long, but it can be viewed at www.ktrascal.com

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While I had hoped that your government would stop the gentrification of the Downtown Eastside,support affordable housing initiatives, and encourage civic engagement, I now realize that your progressivism is much more concerned with supporting individualized feel good actions than it isabout making the necessary, meaningful changes required to correct Vancouver's exceptionalinequalities. Your government has continued to help make Vancouver a playground for the rich atthe expense of its middle and lower class citizens. We are the most expensive city to live in NorthAmerica, and yet we have the lowest corporate tax rate. We are a city whose development planscentre on the production of luxury condominiums that the majority of your citizens will never beable to afford. How can we hope to be the greenest city when unsustainable housing prices forceworking families to move further and further into suburban enclaves? What you promised was aprogressive vision. What you delivered was a garden at City Hall and a handful of bike lanes: theveneer of progressivism masking a "business as usual" agenda.

Outstanding, ktrascsal! Thanks for sharing.


Aristotleded24
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Catchfire wrote:
ktrascal wrote:
Yesterday I wrote an open letter to Gregor Robertson in response to his November 6th statement on Occupy. I encourage everyone who is concerned by the similarities between Anton and Robertson's pro-business, anti-justice platforms to consider doing the same.


I don't want to post the letter in its entirety here as it is a page long, but it can be viewed at www.ktrascal.com

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While I had hoped that your government would stop the gentrification of the Downtown Eastside,support affordable housing initiatives, and encourage civic engagement, I now realize that your progressivism is much more concerned with supporting individualized feel good actions than it isabout making the necessary, meaningful changes required to correct Vancouver's exceptionalinequalities. Your government has continued to help make Vancouver a playground for the rich atthe expense of its middle and lower class citizens. We are the most expensive city to live in NorthAmerica, and yet we have the lowest corporate tax rate. We are a city whose development planscentre on the production of luxury condominiums that the majority of your citizens will never beable to afford. How can we hope to be the greenest city when unsustainable housing prices forceworking families to move further and further into suburban enclaves? What you promised was aprogressive vision. What you delivered was a garden at City Hall and a handful of bike lanes: theveneer of progressivism masking a "business as usual" agenda.

Outstanding, ktrascsal! Thanks for sharing.

Didn't Vancouver vote out the NPA in 2008? From what has been happening according to this letter, it doesn't sound that way to me.


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It's ashame, because this particular protest actually made demands, and, relative to populist sentiment, a good list of them, too:

 

http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20111104/bc_occupy_vancouver_demands_111104/20111104?hub=BritishColumbiaHome&utm_source=ctvbc.ca

 

A draft list of "demands" has emerged on the Occupy Vancouver website, with 60 items ranging from the closure of tax loopholes for the wealthy to the release of non-violent prisoners.

 

The authors of the list, which was posted Friday on the website's message board, are not named, but it is said to have been compiled over the course of several days by members of the Occupy general assembly.

 

Occupy Vancouver press liaison Sarah Beuhler told ctvbc.ca that the list is "definitely not official," and was formed by a group of about six individuals.

 

"Certain people found it very important that a list of demands be generated, though others disagreed," Beuhler said.

 

"I have personally heard a lot of discontentment with this particular list, in that it's not particularly well-crafted and it seemed to have some people's pet issues on it."

 

Beuhler confirmed that the list was written by members of the general assembly, but said that body includes anyone who chooses to protest at the site. She estimated between 200 and 300 people show up on a daily basis.

 

An official list of demands could be voted on in the future, Beuhler added, and would likely be boiled down to a few key issues that a majority of the general assembly could agree on.

 

The so-called "draft list" appears below in its entirety:

 

Rough Draft of Demands for Occupy Vancouver

 

In sum, we demand the creation of a just and sustainable society.

 

If we remove too many demands from the final version we risk having an unjust and unsustainable society. That is unacceptable .

 

Economic demands

 

1. We demand that the wealthiest 1% pay their fair share by the closing of tax loopholes such as dark pools of liquidity and employer-side payroll taxes. Progressive taxation principles must prevail, income from capital must be taxed at the same level as wage income.

 

2. We demand that the banks be nationalized and limit interest payments to 1%. The Board of Directors of the Bank of Canada and top tier of management must now include at least 50% representatives for Labor/wage earners and the balance must contain a mix of academics, as well as business people. The mandate of the Bank of Canada must now include the pursuit of low unemployment in addition to low inflation. (An alternative demand to nationalization of the banks is: "We demand a cap on interest rates at 5% plus prime.")

 

3. We demand that crimes committed by banks and corporations be prosecuted more rigorously – a dedicated justice fund for white-collar crimes must be created. Canadian corporations must also be held accountable for crimes (such as bribery and pollution) committed abroad.

 

4. We demand that all income tax for those who make less than the living wage be eliminated.

 

5. We demand that a "ministry of whistle-blowing" be created with the power to protect any whistle blower – corporate or otherwise – from harm of any kind. We need to be able to safely call attention to injustice. Previous failed attempts to do this should be learned from.

 

6. We demand a higher minimum wage – one that equals a living wage. Those unable to work due to disability or infirmity should have a guaranteed income which will allow a dignified existence.

 

7. We demand that Canada pulls out of all free trade agreements - including repealing NAFTA - which are actually "investors rights" agreements and have little to do with trade. We demand an end to future attempts at "free trade" agreements and/or the North American Union. All monopolies – national or international – must be prohibited.

 

8. We demand that EI payments from people not eligible to receive from the program be eliminated.

 

9. We demand that supply management of agricultural products be ended.

 

10. We demand that the federal government keep out of private sector union negotiations.

 

11. We demand the prohibition of self-regulation by large-scale industries.

 

12. We demand that corporate person-hood is repealed.

 

Political demands

 

13. We demand the influence of lobbyists and influence peddlers be reduced by requiring all lobbyists and corporate representatives conduct all meetings with representatives out in the open, with records of what was said and what was spent easily accessible to the public.

 

14. We demand the electoral playing field be leveled by limiting each political party to equal small amounts of taxpayer money. We demand the elimination of campaign contributions entirely.

 

15. We demand the installation of a proportional representation system in all municipal, provincial and federal elections. We demand the adoption of Swiss-style direct democracy and Nunavut-style consensus-decision-making into all political processes.

 

16. We demand an immediate end to Canada's role in the war in Afghanistan. We demand Canada pulls out of NATO.

 

17. We demand the government makes sure the CBC is independent from influence by powerful groups by getting enough funding so it can go commercial free so it no longer must depend on big business for advertizing, and that it becomes immune from future budget cuts.

 

18. We demand the elimination of the Anti-Terrorism Act of 2001, which criminalizes activities similar to the ones conducted by the French Resistance in WW2 and Nelson Mandela's ANC in South Africa.

 

19. We demand Canada pulls out of the SPP – the "Security and Prosperity Partnership" – the military and economic harmonization between Canada and the United States. Canada must remain sovereign.

 

20. We demand the return of the long form census and an end to the practice of outsourcing census work to multinationals such as Lockheed Martin.

 

21. We demand that Statistics Canada and the Parliamentary Budget Office be made arms-length organizations outside the direct jurisdiction of partisans.

 

22. We demand that publicly funded science be made available to the public. No tax-payer-funded scientists should be gagged or censored in any way.

 

23. We demand that the science minister be replaced with an MP who recognizes the realities of evolution and global human-caused climate change.

 

24. We demand an end to all gag-orders on public servants.

 

25. We demand an independent investigation into 9/11 which will examine all evidence including that which would support a false-flag explanation.

 

26. We demand that "none of the above" be an option on all electoral ballots.

 

Societal demands

 

27. We demand - as Bertrand Russell suggested - there be two police forces – one to prove your guilt and another to prove your innocence. We demand lawyers be required to work in pairs so that a lack of resources won't be a factor in deciding a case. (Alternative: We demand increased funding for legal aid.)

 

28. We demand a majority of the defense budget be redistributed to health, education and housing.

 

29. We demand massage, dental and eye care be covered under the health care system.

 

30. We demand an end to gender and racial discrimination in the workplace. We demand pay equity and employment equity. We demand equal pay for different but equivalent work.

 

31. We demand the right of self-determination for all indigenous nations. We demand a speedy resolutions to all outstanding land claims acceptable to all parties concerned.

 

32. We demand the repeal of the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act. All synthetic drugs and hard drugs (including cocaine and heroin) must be distributed by prescription through a pharmacist.

 

33. We demand that all botanical drugs be distributed like coffee beans. Human medical autonomy must now be respected by all.

 

34. We demand that all harmless people be protected in the constitution. If a new law is written and a new set of people are to be criminalized, the burden of proof will now be on the government to provide evidence that this new group of criminals is inherently harmful to others. This will end scapegoating.

 

35. We demand that post-secondary education be free with no hidden user fees. We demand that most outstanding student loans should be forgiven based upon income.

 

36. We demand that herbalists and naturopaths have their services covered by the health-care system.

 

37. We demand that judicial sentencing discretion should be preserved.

 

38. We demand that the omnibus crime bill be eliminated.

 

39. We demand that prostitution be legalized and regulated as it is in New Zealand.

 

40. We demand public universities and colleges stop taking money from the corporate sector.

 

41. We demand the release of all non-violent prisoners.

 

42. We demand an end to the corporate funding and control of collages and universities.

 

Environmental demands

 

43. We demand that subsidies shift from fossil fuel and nuclear energy to renewable resources such as sun, wind, wave, geothermal and cellulose-based ethanol.

 

44. We demand that GMO's – extra-natural genetic modification - be banned because there is no consensus that they increase yield, are safe to consume, are safe for the environment and pose no threat to global food security but there is general agreement that they allow seed monopolies and lawsuits based upon pollen drift. The patenting of life must be illegal and terminator seeds banned from sale in Canada.

 

45. We demand that chemical fertilizers and pesticides be phased out over the next five years while farmers learn to use organic methods because chemical fertilizers and pesticides are unnecessary and kill the soil vitality needed for human survival.

 

46. We demand that "open-net/open water" fish farming be banned.

 

47. We demand that environmental laws be enforced more rigorously.

 

48. We demand that soil vitality be a priority.

 

49. We demand that the nuclear industry be phased out.

 

50. We demand that the health and environmental costs be factored into the cost of each product, and taxed appropriately.

 

51. We demand the shutting down of the Tar Sands project.

 

52. We demand that fracking – hydraulic fracturing - be prohibited.

 

53. We demand the removal of all the red tape around the growing of industrial hemp.

 

54. We demand Canada pull out of the Keystone Pipeline.

 

55. We demand the prohibition of all off-shore drilling. We demand maximum liability on all oil spills.

 

56. We demand a national ban on products and packaging that can't be recycled locally.

 

57. We demand a ban on factory farming or CAFO's (concentrated animal feeding operations).

 

58. We demand an end to all logging in old-growth forests and an end to clear-cutting everywhere.

 

59. We demand protection of water rights and transparency in all Canadian water deals.

 

60. We demand Canada adopts the Bolivian Earth Charter.

 


Aristotleded24
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I have one item that I have to seriously quibble with:

Jacob Richter wrote:
9. We demand that supply management of agricultural products be ended.

The issue around supply management is a hot topic in the Prairies with the struggle to save the Canadian Wheat Board. It's supply managed sectors like the CWB which ensure a fair return for farmers, and without it, even more farmers would go under. Supply management should actually be extended, and I cannot figure out why Occupy would take said position.


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I have my issues with some of the demands by their nature ("nuclear industry be phased out" technically includes fusion power R&D), and with some other demands with regards to how they're worded ("massage" comes ahead of "dental and eye care"?).

By and large, they're good, and I will highlight in colour the ones I really like shortly.

Crap, the text above isn't showing the red highlights.  Well, here's an alternative:

http://www.revleft.com/vb/death-occupy-vancouver-t163873/index.html?p=22...


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Jacob Richter wrote:

3. We demand that crimes committed by banks and corporations be prosecuted more rigorously – a dedicated justice fund for white-collar crimes must be created. Canadian corporations must also be held accountable for crimes (such as bribery and pollution) committed abroad.

41. We demand the release of all non-violent prisoners.

Heh, okay... so... rigorously prosecute the white-collar criminals and then let them out of prison immediately?


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theleftyinvestor wrote:

Jacob Richter wrote:

3. We demand that crimes committed by banks and corporations be prosecuted more rigorously – a dedicated justice fund for white-collar crimes must be created. Canadian corporations must also be held accountable for crimes (such as bribery and pollution) committed abroad.

41. We demand the release of all non-violent prisoners.

Heh, okay... so... rigorously prosecute the white-collar criminals and then let them out of prison immediately?

You're assuming these crimes are non-violent. What about criminally negligent disregard of safety regulations leading to injury or death on the job?


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61. Socks.

62. Sheets.

63. Shirts.

64. Shorts.

65. 2 quarts of skim

66. Partridge in pear tree.

On a more serious note, if you want to divide the 99% into 99,999,999 factions, start issuing ill-thought-out programmatic "demands". What's wrong with the current basis of unity? the 1% against the 99%? the 99% shouldn't pay for the problems created by the 1%? I think it's one of the clearest and most stimulating demands to be put forward in many years, and the proof is the echo that it has achieved. The next step is surely to bring the same simple message into every corner of the society where people live, work, study, play, and integrate with people's real-life needs and struggles. Why would we need all the 99% agreeing with (or even debating) all these individual issues?

 


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Aristotleded24 wrote:

Left Turn wrote:
CUPE is the largest union in Vancouver, and it has specifically NOT endorsed Occupy Vancouver, most likely because of its support for Vision Vancouver and Mayor Gregor Robertson.

I thought it was moreso an endorsement of the COPE/Vision allince, and the belief that Gregor Roberston is the lesser of 2 evils and that the left will have more sway under him than under the NPA, as opposed to outright endorsing Vision per se?

CUPE is a double edged support group for Vision.  Many non union voters and all anti-union voters think of that type of endorsement from the City employees union to be a conflict of interest. Are you sure there has been a public endorsement announcement from CUPE?


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Why I chose to disrupt Vancouver's mayoral debate

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My question is to the people in the audience, and the people out there watching this and other Occupy actions, who are angry and frustrated with us not respecting the well-worn paths and processes that are presented to us: mainly the ballot box, but also the petition, the march, the single-issue rally where you show up, say your piece, and go home. My question is this: why do you aim your anger at us, and not at the institutions that are failing all of us?

Why, when Robertson and Anton are dodging questions and outright lying to us all in what is supposed to be a process of democracy, is it me that people are asking to be quiet when I shout out the truth? Instead of asking me to stop shouting, ask yourself why it is that things have gotten so bad that marching in and shouting is the only way for people to be heard. Ask yourself if you really think that your politicians represent you in the way that you'd like, or that they understand your concerns, your life, your perspective. If the answer is emphatically “yes”, then I'm happy for you— you're very lucky. For most people, the answer is probably somewhere between “once in a while” and an indignant laugh of cynicism.

 


Stockholm
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Perhaps this person should have run for mayor. If they really represent as many people as they claim to represent - they would win easily and we can see them put their ideas into action!


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Stockholm wrote:

Perhaps this person should have run for mayor. If they really represent as many people as they claim to represent - they would win easily and we can see them put their ideas into action!

Yeah, and she should get a job too, eh?

If you had bothered reading the whole article (thanks, Catchfire!), you'd have known she's female, not plural.

And thanks for clarifying that elections in our society are regularly won by those who truly represent the masses, rather than those who pander to power and wealth. It will come as a welcome and enormous revelation to almost all the polticians now in government at all levels.

 


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