So which LNG plants will be going ahead and in what order in BC?

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Maybe the plan with those Vancouver Island project proposals is to "just" increase the capacity of existing pipelines to the Island. That actually means new pipe. But thats a MUCH smaller hurdle than getting approvals for a new pipeline. [The right of way does not change. And there are none of the levels of controversy as there are with "adapting" Line 9 in Ontario.]

? The end game being to get the projects done sooner- before the increasing international competition closes the door ? 


Chief Aaron Sam of the Lower Nicola Indian Band wrote a letter to Harper critizing him over his lack of policies on climate change. The full letter can be found at the url below.


The chief of the Lower Nicola Indian Band south of Kamloops, B.C., whose territory is crucial to the $5.4-billion Kinder Morgan expansion project, wrote a strongly worded letter to the Prime Minister today about his "serious reservations" about the project.  

Kinder Morgan's pipeline recently spilled 12 barrels of oil in June 2013 on their Aboriginal territory, in the province's interior.

Chief Aaron Sam gives a sharp critique of Prime Minister Harper's lack of policies to address climate change, and said First Nations near Alberta's oil sands need more meaningful consultation in light of the environmental destruction on their territory. 

Kinder Morgan owns a pipeline that has transported oil from Alberta to Burnaby for 60 years.  It is now is applying to the federal government to twin the pipeline, to increase the oil flow from 300,000 to 890,000 barrels per day.

The project would increase the number of oil tankers in the Vancouver area from 60 per year, to more than 400, said the company.




The BC Liberal finaance minister, Simon de Jong, is already trying to soft pedal Christy's "trillion dollar" fantasy, calling its goals "aspirational" in light of the Apache pullout from what Christy called the "most advanced" LNG project.



Toward the end of the media briefing, de Jong was asked about the latest discouraging news on the liquefied natural gas front, the decision by Apache Corp. to bail out of its investment in the proposed Kitimat LNG project, where it has been partnered with Chevron.

When Premier Christy Clark launched her drive to develop an LNG industry three years ago, the Apache-backed Kitimat LNG project was cited as the “most advanced” of her hoped-for five export terminals.

Was de Jong concerned that in pushing for an unprecedented income tax on LNG, the Liberals might be discouraging investment and putting the revenue cart before the final-investment-decision horse?

“I haven’t seen the details of the Apache announcement so I’ll be cautious about speculating.” he replied. “What I can tell you is that we have worked closely in consultation with proponents in developing the overall strategy around taxation policy and are on track to meet the timeline commitments that we have made.” Those being to lay out the details in the fall session of the legislature.

“I also believe when that legislation reveals itself, the public and the proponents themselves will regard it as fair and balanced.”

As for whether the Apache departure is worrying: “In terms of the overall opportunity that is available here, as optimistic as we all are, you know that I have been cautious about counting chickens.”

I wondered if promising a $100-billion LNG-driven prosperity fund and painting “debt-free B.C.” on the side of the campaign bus was his notion of a “cautious” approach?

The Liberals were simply “being aspirational,” de Jong replied. “Setting a target, and setting objectives.”

Aspirational. Interesting word, minister. It’s right there in the thesaurus next to “hopeful” and not far removed from “wishful thinking.”



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Toxic fracking waste illegally dumped in BC water treatment system

Although city officials from Dawson’s Creek won’t disclose the names of the companies involved, they are confirming that fracking waste has been illegally dumped into the city’s water treatment system on at least two occasions.

Jim Chute, administrative officer for the city, told DeSmog Canada, that illegal dumping has occurred at least three times, but twice the waste was “clearly” related to fracking.

“It has actually been on three occasions in the last 18 months where we’ve caught inappropriate materials being dumped,” he said. “One of those was a load of contaminated diesel. It’s not clear to us exactly how that diesel got contaminated so we don’t know if that was frack-related or not.”

“The other two were a mix of compounds that were clearly flowback waste from a frack operation.”

Chute said the chemicals used in the fracking process can damage the city’s water and sewage treatment facilities which are unable to handle industrial waste. Chute told the Alaska Highway News the waste could cause irreversible damage to living organisms that play a crucial role in the city’s water reclamation system....

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Elsipogtog man says RCMP officers visited home with questions about Facebook comment

A man from the Mi’kmaq community at the centre of intense anti-shale gas protests says he was visited Wednesday by two plain clothes RCMP officers who were asking questions about a Facebook post calling for a protest on New Brunswick Day.

Brian Milliea, a Mi’kmaq man from Elsipogtog First Nation, said the two officers showed up at his house at about 2 p.m. looking for him. Milliea was in his office at the Elsipogtog forestry department when he received a phone call from his wife saying two men wanted to speak with him. Milliea rushed home to find the two officers waiting for him.

“They were parked in a gray van outside my driveway. One came out, and he had tattoos, while the other guy stayed in the van,” said Milliea, in a telephone interview with APTN National News. “He showed me his badge and said he was with the RCMP from a special task force.”

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The Common Sense Canadian’s Damien Gillis discusses the BC Liberal government’s real fiscal track record with CFAX radio’s Ian Jessop in Victoria.

The two contrast a history of serious cost-overruns on major infrastructure projects with the oft-repeated myth of the government’s sound fiscal management. From the Port Mann Bridge and Hwy 1 widening (550% of initial estimate) to the a new roof for BC Place Stadium (514% of original projection), emerges a shocking pattern of inept project management.



That is one of the cruel realities of Christie's trillion dollar fantasy. There is the potential that they will be so desperate to see these LNG projects move forward that they will wrap them up with especially dangerous 'targeted' investment tax credits. So that the projects not only dont bring in but a fraction of the revenue projections, they are actually a net drain on the provincial treasury, unless they are long term very successful financially.

So that netted out, they either bring in nothing or cost the provincial treasury a bit. But that is only looking at them in themselves. The full economic effect if there is gambling on desperate tax credits to make sure the projects happen, is that they bring in nothing while wracking up large public infrastructure expenditures, and cost the economy through the distortions of very temporary flash in the pan booms.

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..there's this from the pipeline thread.


..and this is important. all pipelines (except for kinder morgan) go through 2 territories in bc. see the link to the map. i thought i posteda  map showing exactly where the pipelines within the territories but i can't find it. anyway it's gitxsan and wet'suwet'en territory. both have rejected the pipelines. this is where i believe the state might focus it's assault. and this is why unist’ot’en and the camp is so important. edit one word


..and yes it must be hard as you point out. solutions are being sought. the struggle is wholistic. again i point to this piece to show the depth of the thinking. but we must first and formost support each other or all will be lost. and that means allowing for a much more radical thinking to enter the mainstream. were ready for that i believe. people crave change.


"Teachings of the canoe traditional law say to take a little and leave a lot," Frank quotes from the summit. Applying this law to economic development would make sure there is always something to go back for — and something to share.


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..and then the cost of the cleanup will follow.

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Leaked document reveals Chevron's oily intentions for the Pacific Trials Pipeline

A document leaked to the Unist'ot'en, which this reporter has seen, provides direct evidence that Moricetown Band Council has been negotiating to become part of the First Nations Limited Partnership (FNLP). FNLP is the body created by Pacific Trails Pipeline (PTP) to garner indigenous support by providing shares in the pipeline project and financial benefits....


“We've been quite insistent that we're not stopping one pipeline, we're stopping all of them. Because they're one big machine. It's obvious now with the disclosure of this agreement that oil and gas are basically the same. The Pacific Trails Pipeline was planning on selling their assets to a bitumen company that was interested in transporting bitumen after five years. And if Enbridge decides to admit defeat, who are they going to go to buy the pipeline from, and who's gonna sell it? It's really obvious now.”

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Understaffing, deregulation to blame for Mount Polley tailings pond disaster: critics

Deregulation and staffing cutbacks to BC government regulators may be to blame to Imperial Metals' Mount Polley tailings pond disaster, which dumped five million cubic metres of toxic waste near the Quesnel and Cariboo Rivers.

“The government isn't inspecting the mines, and the mining companies know it,” said Glenda Ferris, a longtime advocate for environmentally safe mining in British Columbia who has previously consulted with government and First Nations on mining issues. A landowner near Houston, BC,  she lives beside the now-closed Equity Silver mine, which dumped acid-generating tailings waste into the environment in 1982.

Ferris said the BC government has relied excessively on the mining industry to self-regulate itself as ministries underwent budget cuts in the 1990s, meaning that the problem could be systemic....


First Nations' urgent calls about Mount Polley tailings allegedly went unanswered for hours

Shuswap First Nation councillor Willie Sellars remembered picking up his phone to call Mount Polley Mining Corporation about the disastrous tailings pond breach after dawn on Monday. No one answered. He would spend all day on the phone, trying to find someone from the company to explain what was going on. 

"I think I found out about 6 a.m. in the morning. I phoned all day, and I didn't get somebody picking up until the afternoon," he said, guessing it could have been 2 p.m. when he finally heard a voice on the other line.

"It was an extension that some random person picked up, and I was passed on to the COO, Don Parsons. He couldn't give us any sort of response, and they still haven't been able to respond about what's going on up there. I think they didn't have a contingency plan in place."


Sellars said the mine actually had an obligation to inform the surrounding First Nation bands, but that the company never called about the disaster.

"It was discouraging for us, because we have an agreement with Imperial Metals about Mount Polley Mine. Part of the protocol is that they give us a call whenever there's any kind of incident -- we're supposed to be one of the first to find out. But we didn't find out about it from the mine itself. We found out about it from an employee at the mine.

"When we followed up to find out what was going on, the mine was in a state of chaos."

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"No Band Councils or Tribal Councils have jurisdiction over Unist'ot'en territory" An interview with Freda Huson

Interview with Freda Huson Friday August 1st 2014

TALBITS KWA, Sovereign Unist'ot'en Territory

Since 2010, the Unist'ot'en have occupied and defended their traditional territory from pipeline development in defiance of industry, the province of British Columbia, and the government of Canada. Recently they exposed secretive talks between the Moricetown Band Council and the Pacific Trails Pipeline (PTP).


Kitimat LNG is the most advanced of the proposals, approvals wise but is hung up on gas pricing.

Petronas is currently planning a FID for 2014 but it will likely be delayed due to both FEED concerns and lobbying for capital cost allowance acceleration via a change in category for the plant component.

The BC Government has announced plans to allow temporary workers from China to address 'labour shortages'. There is no labour shortage. What Canada has is a skills shortage that is entirely due to lack of access to apprenticeships and training.

BC also will drop the ball on timely tax legislation that gives tax certainty.


One should expect to see quite a bit of consolidation in the proposals. BG Group may be a good fit for Chevron or even Imperial Oil, who are not saying much after the ignominious collapse of the Mackenzie Gas Project.

No need for greenies to fear though. BC will manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory as cost overruns and global competition for capital sink its LNG aspirations.


Given that LNG will reduce reliance on coal in Asia with resulting emissions reductions, how does the climate change dynamic fit into LNG exports?


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Understaffing, deregulation to blame for Mount Polley tailings pond disaster: critics

Deregulation and staffing cutbacks to BC government regulators may be to blame to Imperial Metals' Mount Polley tailings pond disaster, which dumped five million cubic metres of toxic waste near the Quesnel and Cariboo Rivers.


Ferris said the BC government has relied excessively on the mining industry to self-regulate as ministries underwent budget cuts in the 1990s, meaning that the problem could be systemic....

Yes, but pointing to the '90s isn't entirely accurate, I don't think. (She goes on to talk about the "deregulation" of the '90s.) Mining was in a slump already in that period, I believe due to prices and, in the opinion of the BC mining industry, the "environmentally friendly" policies of the NDP. It was under the BC Liberals that mining took off again here but, as we see, in a more reckless and unaccountable fashion.

The loosening of regulations and decrease in mining inspections is most marked during 2001 - 2008, according to this report (posted by jerrym). The race to the bottom has clearly been a BC Liberal agenda. We certainly see this evident in continuing policy decisions that undermine environemntal values and past environmental achievements.

I think this BC Liberal government will go down as being one of the most destructive to BC environmentally.

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txs jas

..i remember the mid 80's..the solidarity days were bold actions were taken trying to stop the massive budget cuts, jobs eliminated, deregulation, privatization etc. proposed and implemented by a bennett socred gov. what i know re specifics around mining changes i'm learning here.

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Mount Polley bankruptcy could leave BC public footing cleanup bill

The clean-up costs for the massive tailing pond spill at Imperial Metals’ Polley Mountain mine have been estimated by some to range between $50 and $500 million.  In addition, legal action will undoubtedly be launched by individuals, businesses, and First Nations in the region which could result in hundreds of millions more in costs.  And then there are law firms launching suits on behalf of Imperial stockholders who have suffered huge stock losses when the company’s stock plunged over 40%.  Whatever the final amount, the issue comes down to – Who is going to pay?

On August 8, BC Environment Minister Mary Polak said: “We have a polluter-pay model in British Columbia and we expect the company will be the one paying for the cleanup and recovery” and that she has “heard commitments that [the company] is ready, willing and able to continue to fund what they need to”

However, comments from Imperial Metals president Brian Kynoch suggest that the situation may be a lot more dicey than this optimistic statement from the Minister.  According to one news report, Kynoch has committed to paying for the clean-up “to the best of [his] ability”.  But in contrast to Mary Polak’s statement that the company is “ready, willing and able” to pay for the spill, Kynoch is more equivocal and doubts that the company’s insurance will be high enough to cover the cost (for more on the insurance issue see Aug. 12 column).....



Energy Watch: First British Columbia LNG plant approved


Doesn't look like Chevron will be 1st

Decision on Kitimat LNG project 'economics-driven,' won't be rushed: Chevron


Of courese, and they have the right government in place to help them out.

B.C. LNG firms press Ottawa for tax break


Have Site C or LNG but not both, First Nations tell B.C. gov'tSite C dam


$30 billion LNG plant proposed for Vancouver IslandBritish Columbia


Petronas threatens to ‘call off’ $10-billion B.C. LNG project: report


Leader to sell NDP’s LNG plan to municipalities

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Rafe: Clark govt in over its head with big LNG players like Petronas

Petronas and that pesky “red tape”

The latest debacle with Petronas, the Malaysian energy giant, simply proves the point.

Petronas seems to make it clear that it cannot live with the terms proposed by the BC government, especially its proposed 7% tax. This objection was made very publicly by the CEO, Mr. Abbas, leaving in the minds of most of us no doubt but that the company was on the brink of pulling out. Moreover, Mr. Abbas made it abundantly clear that Petronas was not interested in any environmental regulations whatsoever. (Industry usually refers to such regulations as “red tape”.)

This event was shunted aside by the premier and her minister, saying that Petronas was merely negotiating in public, that all was well, and that in no time the government and Petronas would be holding a celebration.

In reading the statement by Petronas’ CEO, I was struck by the objection to  environmental regulations and my thoughts raced to the Mount Polley Mine disaster.

To large companies,”red tape” means regulations that make them behave themselves. This raises the question as to whether or not the province was being called upon to allow Petronas to do as it pleased, meaning that we could look forward to the kind of disaster we saw with Mount  Polley.

Are we being played?

What this all raises is the question, “just what the hell is going on?” Surely the public is entitled to know what the terms are for LNG plants coming to British Columbia – not just the financial terms but the environmental terms as well. Are we expected to forego environmental protections? What are the taxes that Petronas and others will be expected to pay? Is the 7% tax a fixed tax? What value does it offer if they can deduct their tens of billions of dollars in plant and pipeline costs before paying out a penny to taxpayers? Is such a tax in accordance with industry norms? If not, what is? Are we in fact being whipsawed by Petronas and others as they play off Australia, the United States and British Columbia against one another?...



BC Legislature begins to deliberate tomorrow how it is going to give away the store taxwise to petronas and con BCers into thinking they aRe getting a good deal

Just Another con job by Canadian politicians


LNG a chance, not a windfall, says BC throne speech



Christy's lost her bravado it seems. Doesn't look good.

LNG a chance, not a windfall, says BC throne speech



It was going to be 7%.

Another lie that the Liberals are now wriggling away from, with the help of the press, as they are both professionals at gobbledygook.

So much for reducing the debt.

Before she is done Clark could come close to bankrupting BC.

Energy giant rains on B.C. throne speech


Chisty & Co complete the talking point shift- "yeah, well, there is no trillion dollar windfall. [What election?]

Really, its about us losing what we have if we dont start exporting gas as LNG."

Vaughn Palmer: American shale gas boom a major threat to B.C. exports


“The Overnighters”: The haunting true story of a 21st-century boomtown

A lone pastor takes on a North Dakota town transformed by fracking in a modern-day, real-life Steinbeck yarn

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Why Petronas is out of step with Premier Clark's LNG dream

In the almost three years since Premier Clark declared B.C.’s LNG industry “the opportunity of a lifetime” - not a single LNG project has reached the “Final Investment Decision”

Last week, the CEO of Malaysian LNG mega-producer Petronas warned that the company would likely not proceed with its proposed $11B LNG plant in Prince Rupert. It's total hoped for investment in B.C., including gas plants and pipelines, exceeds $36-billion.

Mr. Abbas chided the B.C. government for the “lack of incentives” supporting his company’s project and hinted that BC’s glacial pace of regulatory approvals had lost it the race to supply Asian LNG markets.

Similarly, Apache Corp. jettisoned its stake in a large-scale LNG plant in Kitimat, leaving Chevron looking for a replacement partner and threatening to exit if it doesn’t find one.  Gas-driller Encana announced it is selling its gas plays in the Barnett shale formation.

In the almost three years since Premier Clark declared B.C.’s LNG industry “the opportunity of a lifetime” - not a single LNG project has reached the “Final Investment Decision” commitment point.  It leaves the B.C. government looking silly, as both the Canada West Foundation and the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives warned last year.

You may well ask why this widespread reluctance to commit to LNG. Bargaining tactics may be one reason, but look no further than the landed price of LNG in Asia for a more pressing reason. 

The Asian spot market price has plummeted from the dizzy heights of $18.50 per million British Thermal Units (mmBtu) in 2012 to its current level below $11/mmBtu - a level which, if sustained, would yield very slim pickings indeed for these companies, that have far richer veins of opportunity to tap with their scarce capital.

Industry experts think that $10/mmBtu is the break-even pricing for Asian LNG i.e. no profits!  Though longer-term contract prices are higher, customers are reluctant to sign these in a marketplace with rapidly declining prices....

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Indian Oil Buys 10% in Petronas Canadian Gas Fields, LNG Project


B.C.’s LNG bonanza is looking more like a mirage


Looks like the liberals have given away the province's natural resources lock stock and barrel so the lng's will probably going ahead

But forget all the nonsense about paying off bc debt bullshit, prosperity fund

BCers were blatantly lied to by the liberals
But who cares as their lying got them elected didn't it


Christy Clark forgot to translate for BCers what she really meant by the code word phrase "families first".

What Christy really meant by families first was "LNG Companies First and Fuck BCers".


Christy, dejong, and Coleman's brilliant negotiating strategy, or a course entitled how to give away the store: BC LNG Negotiations 101.

B.C. LNG tax rates lower than first promised

Opposition terms move a 'dramatic climb down'


LNG isn't BC's only economic option

Monday's throne speech offered British Columbians a seemingly simple choice: either choose LNG as the path to prosperity, or choose economic decline. Without developing LNG, the Lieutenant Governor implied, we are “choosing to tell our children they should expect nothing from us but a bill to pay.” I wish I were exaggerating.

The B.C. government has consistently overstated the potential benefits of LNG. Such polarizing rhetoric is unproductive at best. This single-minded focus on LNG fails to recognize abundant economic opportunities in other sectors and leaves B.C. without a plan B in case the economic windfall predicted from LNG doesn't materialize.


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Looks like the liberals have given away the province's natural resources lock stock and barrel so the lng's will probably going ahead But forget all the nonsense about paying off bc debt bullshit, prosperity fund BCers were blatantly lied to by the liberals But who cares as their lying got them elected didn't it

Glad you've finally voided all the KoolAid you drank on this issue, NR. Would you be willing now to change your thread title to one that's a little less boosterist?



Environmentalists deconstruct B.C. Liberals' new rules for LNG emissions, argue it's all about optics

Premier Christy Clark claims that liquefied-natural-gas exports will generate $100 billion in revenue over 30 years, but skeptics question her arithmetic.


I think Chevron, Petronas & Shell are the top 3 but nevertheless.........

BG Group to delay planned B.C. LNG terminal

Canadian executive says global gas market is too uncertain to build now


With the drop in fuel prices, and their giveaway the store mentality to secure these plants at any cost, it looks like the BC Liberals are a long way away from making BC debt free now. Remember Christy's debt-free BC campaign bus. 


Fracking On The Ballot

Measures to ban hydraulic fracturing or “fracking” appear on today’s ballot in nine municipalities and counties in Ohio, Texas and California. Fracking involves injecting pressurized liquids and sand into shale rock to extract natural gas or oil, making it possible to extract oil and gas from places where it would otherwise be difficult to recover. Shale gas production is booming in the U.S., with 215.9 billion cubic meters extracted last year, despite becoming one of the most controversial environmental issues in the United States over the past decade.

Opponents of fracking cite the large volumes of water required and concerns that chemicals used in fracking liquids could leak into groundwater. They also point to fracking’s potential to trigger earthquakes. Researchers linked a series of earthquakes in Harrison County, Ohio, to fracking operations, and fracking is suspected to have played a role in earthquakes in other midwestern states.

Supporters of fracking say that the natural gas it extracts provides clean energy that could help stem climate change (a contention contradicted by some recent studies), and that jobs associated with fracking operations provide an economic boost to some rural communities.

Anti-fracking measures are up for a vote in five Ohio communities (Athens, Gates Mills, Kent, Niles and Youngstown) one Texas city (Denton), and in California’s Mendocino, San Benito and Santa Barbara counties.

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Govt fears losing LNG, fracking social licence to social media: Internal briefing note

The BC government is worried it can’t control the way fracking and liquefied natural gas (LNG) are being criticized through social media, documents obtained through a Freedom of Information request reveal.

As a result, the Liberal administration fears losing the “social licence” required to advance its LNG strategy – the core policy of its recent election platform and economic vision.

The June, 2014 briefing note (view full document here) was dug up by Propeller Strategy, a non-profit group with a focus on environmental and public interest issues in BC. Prepared by staff for Minister of Natural Gas Development Rich Coleman, it compares criticism of fracking with the kind of fake news and tweets that surrounded the Boston Marathon Bombing several years ago.....


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