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Hatred and Ignorance of Hip-Hop

Rexdale_Punjabi
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I wanna start off by saying that the fact that hip-hop is the primary way today POC esp youth express ourselves.

 

The fact that it's dismissed outright is white supremist and racist.
The fact that the only type that's played today is the one primarily consumed by white ppl and owned by them lets call it shit hop.

Also take in the fact taht look how many oppurtunities there are for indie rocc artists in terms of radio, grants, etc.

Hiphop aint got shit and we got 1 hiphop station in the GTA n really it includes RnB as well as the mainstream shit hop.

That's white supremist and racist.

 

Even the fact that rocc being seen as a white invention and whtie ppl music is white supremist and racist because in fact it aint. Elvis copied chucc berry and various other brothas and was basically a white man singing like a brotha.

 

The fact that ppl try to degrade hiphop by saying how it all just degrades women, is violent etc shows the racism in that the idea is that POC and colored musicians esp all think, act, and talk a certain way. That all we can put in our music is that and we cant have any other thoughts.

 

Hiphopz history well I cant find the video but ima quote something remember this it got deep roots.

"In today's society, most are under the impression that Hip Hop is a recent phenomena that began in 1973. In fact, more often then not, people over the age of 50, will say that Hip Hop is what is destroying the minds of Black youth. Are they sure that's not 'rap' doing that? Do most people even know that there is a difference between the two(rap and hip hop)? I doubt it.

No matter where we go, the one thing we never leave behind is our culture. Even in the harshest of situations, it always seems to resurface itself, but in a different form. I know most think that there is little to nothing African about Blacks in America. But on the contrary, there is something very African about them.

Hip Hop has always been here. Its just a matter of recognizing how it manifests itself.

Don't believe me?

Let's see then.......

Ceremonial dancer is today's break dancer

The Ancient drummers are today's DJs

The Priest who led all ceremonial and traditional events is the MC aka Master of Ceremonies

In KMT, we had Hieroglyphs. Today, we have graffiti.

Is this all by coincidence?

One of the most important aspect of Hip Hop that is often overlooked, is its linguistics. The linguistics of Hip Hop is Ebonics. Though considered to be a single language, Ebonics is actually a family of languages(sound familiar?). This family includes, but is not limited to: Creole, Patwa, and African American/Black Vernacular English. The language itself, is actually a carry over from our Ancestral tongues.

The reason why its difficult for us to pronounce certain words is because some of the syllables in those words, are non-existent in our Ancestral tongues.

The connection to our ancestors is amazing isn't? "

 

Stop dismissing it nigga itz here to stay n it coming out full force hiphop lives in the north the excuses that there arent any "ghettos" in KKKanada or it aint good are just excuses designed to hide the very euro-centric, racist, and whit esupremist ideals behind them.

 


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Rexdale_Punjabi
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bump n yall wanna learn real shit n issues that you wouldnt understand otherwise? pac explains it to yall go listen as long as u claim to be working for anti-racism but u cant understand the issues real talk u jus talkin shit


Rexdale_Punjabi
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guess this topic dont matter? why this shit bein ignored?


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I don't know anything about hip hop. Please give me an example of what you're talking about - not the stuff white folks consume, but what you consider to be worthwhile.

 


Rexdale_Punjabi
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read my post u want a list aii let me think

WC
Ice Cube
Immortal Tech
Raekwon
Nas
Nuff Rex niggas
Camoflauge (TO One)
K'Naan
Dead Prez
Mos Def
Common (he aii imo some ppl listen to him)
Talib Kweli
Chief Kamachi
Blu & Exile or w.e they called
Lench Mob
Game n Yung Jeezy had a couple traccs about the hood that were real
NWA (some of em)
Couple SPM Traccs
Northside Ppl Nuf Artists
50 centz 1st album (power of the dollar)

 

U want it shortened basically

Immortal Technique

WC

2 pac

Nas

Dead Prez

Old Ice Cube and Lench Mob

Camofluage (Toronto One)

Those would be like concious traccz some of em what you would call hood hop too like WC. But ye

 


Rexdale_Punjabi
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WC - This Is Los Angles Both Music Vidz (hood tracc others concious)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5mwWPyuBIc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFuVLLyevZY

WC - Guilty By Affiliation (Reason album named after it)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2xTD96ojx0

WC - Dodge Ball
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U8s9HMF7QY

WC - Gang Injunctions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wXNMzHa4C0

u can say what u want but he real n he bein slept on gotta give a look out one of my cousinz niggas from the Wood

n Immortal Technique Is proly the best underground artist PERIOD

Industrial Revolution - DAMMM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeNT2X05F_A

Dance with the devil

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qggxTtnKTMo

Obnoxious (funny tracc bout it lol but he still spits knowledge on it)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LUkErRmHTc

Harlem Streets - This Tracc is So Big it Aint funny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVL4IAKA9Lc

Peruvian CoCaine - Talkin about the realness of the gov sponsered war on the poor n what it do

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrBRJVGLRPo

Point Of No Return - This Tracc is big too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Igt-jW4e8ts

Leaving The Past - Peaceful but tru
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jjp8yuEBjxs

 


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Honestly Listen to Immortal Technique 1st yall wont get WC unless u from the hood n Immortal Tech will teach u something u can keep those aint close to his best traccs just the 1st youtube hits.

Get Revolutionary Vol 1 & 2 and The 3rd World I never bought em aint gonna lie just listen

 

Just Listen to Industrial Revolution, Harlem Streets, Point of No Return, and Leaving The Past 1st. Dont listen to dance with the devil 1st cuz u wont get what it about ull be like every otha nigga who think it about rape. (aint spolin dat g Tongue out)


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Thank you. I'll sample them when I get home.


Bookish Agrarian
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Most of today's hip hop is commercialized blather, including a number of the acts you linked too. 

 

Youth culture often gets co-opted by corporate greed - hip hop is in a long line up in that regards.

 

Hip hop used to be about something - Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five comes to mind, some early Public Enemy or even Gil Scott-Heron (if you want to stretch the definition of hip hop). However, like punk, folk-rock, funk and on and on it is now just a way to make money.

 

Your passion though is good, it is just you could find someone saying the same thing about genre's dating back to the Lindy.


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which one's that I linked to are commercialized? hiphop was real up to the early to mid 90z. the early 90z had an explosion of artists like a Tribe called quest, Afrika Bambaata was still big it was mid 90z shit started to turn around. N even then it was starting to come bacc from lke 2000-2004 but then just stopped.


remind
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Smokey Robinson was on Spectacle Friday night, it was an excellent show.


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I listen mostly to classic folk, rock, blues, and Motown, and a bit of Bob Marley/Peter Tosh reggae. I've never really been exposed to any hip hop other than occasionally hearing it on TV. I guess I don't fit the hip hop demographic, whatever that is. Same with Michael Jackson and Madonna - their music never appealled to me at all.  FWIW, I never listened to the Eagles and a whole bunch of other rock acts. My favourites include mostly acts from the 1960s and 1970s such as Elvis Presley, the Beatles, Rolling Stones, Bob Dylan, Crosby Stills Nash and Young, Pete Seeger, Peter Paul and Mary, Cream, Hendrix, John Mayall, Joni Mitchell, Steppenwolf, Mitch Ryder and The Detroit Wheels, and virtually every Motown act from the period (except the Jackson Five which I never liked).

New recordings I listen to include Joan Osborne, Nanci Griffith, Suzanne Vega (especially her signature album, Songs In Red and Gray).


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I like a lot of Hip Hop, but some of people who linked to have homophobic and sexist lyrics. 50 cent especially is one of the worst! I am not sure why you would link approvingly to 50 cent on this board.

Here are some lyrics from the 50 cent song "Fuck Dat Bitch" from the Power of the Dollar album, which will give you an idea of why some people may hate 50 cents music and why it is definitely not due to ignorance:

 

Quote:

(Fifty talking)

If a bitch don't like me

somethin's wrong with the bitch...(fuck that bitch)


(Dave Hollister singing)

Why...oh why...why..you wanna fuck with me now?


(Fifty talking)

Yo Dave, that shit come with the game baby, the money, you know,

thats how this shit works, you know?

they supposed to love me now baby,

I'm hot now baby, I'm doin' it now.


Chorus (Dave Hollister singing)

Girl, what makes you wanna fuck with me now?

I've been wantin' to fuck wit' you for quite a while

is the money makin' you wanna fuck with me?

Whoa...if money's gonna make me slam these hoes..then alright.

 

 

One reason hiphop has gotten a lot of bad press etc. is due to the "artists" who are disgustingly misogynistic with atrocious videos.

 


Rexdale_Punjabi
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his 1st album power of the dollar.... when he was underground not the co-opted bullshit he put out since.

 

Good Die young

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btTQHA4kFYA

Ghetto Qu'Ran

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I34hn-vgbTc

Make Money

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ciy5x8MXe8

But honestly Fucc 50 listen to ppl from ur side of the border

Camoflauge - Ninja Swordz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr59HVsR0Hg

 

edit- Aii he got those kindz of traccz but look at the rest of the album


Ghislaine
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Rexdale_Punjabi wrote:

his 1st album power of the dollar.... when he was underground not the co-opted bullshit he put out since.

 

Good Die young

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btTQHA4kFYA

Ghetto Qu'Ran

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I34hn-vgbTc

Make Money

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ciy5x8MXe8

But honestly Fucc 50 listen to ppl from ur side of the border

Camoflauge - Ninja Swordz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr59HVsR0Hg

I just posted the lyrics to "Fuck Dat Bitch" from the Power of the Dollar album. It is undeniably misogynist. I didn't want to post it here, but I'm sick of your disrespect in discussing women. And now you are on here defending 50 cent on a progressive board??


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last time I checced there 18 traccs on it Good Die young n Ghetto Quran really the only ones I bump still

edit- n Go listen to the other shit I posted like immortal tech, wc n camoflauge

 


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Rexdale_Punjabi wrote:

last time I checced there 18 traccs on it Good Die young n Ghetto Quran really the only ones I bump still

edit- n Go listen to the other shit I posted like immortal tech, wc n camoflauge

Well do you really want such a misogynistic creep having influence over young people and girls internalizing all these ideas that they are just gold-digging bithces and hos who should put out whenever a guy wants? Low self-esteem in girls is a huge issue and some of these songs and videos contribute to this. It is really offensive to have it linked to here. I am trying to figure out how the hell one shields kids from this kind of stuff these days?


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Ghislaine wrote:

Rexdale_Punjabi wrote:

last time I checced there 18 traccs on it Good Die young n Ghetto Quran really the only ones I bump still

edit- n Go listen to the other shit I posted like immortal tech, wc n camoflauge

Well do you really want such a misogynistic creep having influence over young people and girls internalizing all these ideas that they are just gold-digging bithces and hos who should put out whenever a guy wants? Low self-esteem in girls is a huge issue and some of these songs and videos contribute to this. It is really offensive to have it linked to here. I am trying to figure out how the hell one shields kids from this kind of stuff these days?

itz why I never linked those other ones I told u the only 2 traccs I really listen to if I do at all from that album been listening to WC, Immortal Tech n Pac more recently

edit - TBH I never really liked 50 cent period u know

 

edit - See tho u cant shield no kid in the hood from shit he sees that.

edit- Like most likely when u mean shielding kids u mean lil white middle class kids but the thing is those kids aint gonna take shit seriously. They'll listen to it hiphop like lets say Lil wayne think it sounds good but never really understand it even if the shit is stupid. Or if u meanin keepin kids in the hood on a positive tip ye Rexpect to that


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Rexdale_Punjabi wrote:

 

edit- Like most likely when u mean shielding kids u mean lil white middle class kids but the thing is those kids aint gonna take shit seriously. They'll listen to it hiphop like lets say Lil wayne think it sounds good but never really understand it even if the shit is stupid. Or if u meanin keepin kids in the hood on a positive tip ye Rexpect to that

No, I mean girls from anywhere - poor or middle-class who are internalizing these ideas. And boys from anywhere who are going to think that they would be so "cool" if they treated women like that.


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Ghislaine wrote:

Rexdale_Punjabi wrote:

 

edit- Like most likely when u mean shielding kids u mean lil white middle class kids but the thing is those kids aint gonna take shit seriously. They'll listen to it hiphop like lets say Lil wayne think it sounds good but never really understand it even if the shit is stupid. Or if u meanin keepin kids in the hood on a positive tip ye Rexpect to that

No, I mean girls from anywhere - poor or middle-class who are internalizing these ideas. And boys from anywhere who are going to think that they would be so "cool" if they treated women like that.

my point was that outside the hood the kids cant understand shit so they dont even take it in seriously middle class boyz aint hustlaz who go from ragz to riches and middle class girls aint the ones who end up hangin around for free cracc. It aint as simple as ur making it. Hiphop is bein used as a weapon against the ppl who created selling it to white ppl is just profit.


Ghislaine
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RP - I am talking about kids in the hood. It clear from some of your posts here that you have gotten some pretty awful opinions and ideas about women and girls.


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I think if we stacked up our individual musical interests here for comparison sake, and used the respective selections as the basis upon which we'd accordingly judge and interact with people, my guess is that we would have total anarchy.  And if that is what we're aiming for, then I'd have little choice but to respond with a George Jones anthology.


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Ghislaine wrote:

RP - I am talking about kids in the hood. It clear from some of your posts here that you have gotten some pretty awful opinions and ideas about women and girls.

aii but na still I jus get misrepresented cuz we talking about fuccing n that the only way I know how to say anything about that lol. Dont worry yo ya boi might say shit but in the end I got rexpect for women I know u aint got no reason to believe me but w.e u know


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Pffft


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Why this is still tolerated is beyond me.  I just don't get it.


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Rexdale_Punjabi wrote:

which one's that I linked to are commercialized? hiphop was real up to the early to mid 90z. the early 90z had an explosion of artists like a Tribe called quest, Afrika Bambaata was still big it was mid 90z shit started to turn around. N even then it was starting to come bacc from lke 2000-2004 but then just stopped.

Much of hip hop - like it's whitebread cousin Heavy Metal is just an excuse to market mysogyny and hatred.  Both appeal to the poor areas they come from, but also have become a commercial ticket to make boat loads of money for a very small minority owners.


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Bookish Agrarian wrote:
Much of hip hop - like it's whitebread cousin Heavy Metal is just an excuse to market mysogyny and hatred.  Both appeal to the poor areas they come from.... 

That's a fairly...sniff....elitist view wouldn't ye think?

"Janel Hobson, assistant professor in Women's Studies at State University of New York, Albany, says the misogynistic images in rap videos are found in country, rock and heavy metal music videos, too."  "I think it's a dicey argument when you start to blame rap music. This marketing of violence and misogyny is reinforced in mainstream society, not just in rap music," said Hobson, who teaches a course titled Black Bodies, Blonde Ambitions, Global Trends: Women and the Media. "We have to be careful not to condemn rap as the only culprit; that just isn't true."

MISOGYNY IN MUSIC


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How so - I didn't single out hip hop - I pointed out that heavy metal - marketed to another demographic basically appeal to the same thing.  And heavy metal grew out of the same sort of poverty/class struggle as hip hop or rap.  Obviously though without the anti-racist issues. 

I could have listed any other musical form, but picked heavy metal since they are different, but similar.


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And certain forms of music are 'more in your face' than, say, country or folk.


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You could list any sort of music, apart from samples without lyrics such as the elevator variety, and find instances of misogyny.  You singled out hip hop as being the problem, while tossing in Heavy Metal as it's sidekick, but without the emphasis being placed where it belongs.  An overall context would see corporate marketing as the culprit behind it all, as opposed to highlighting one genre which happens to have more mainstream mass appeal than most at present.  It's just another form of exploitation alongside all the other ways and means.  What occurs as a result is that the dominant patriarchy has it's cake and feasts on it as well, simultaneously exploiting and blaming the exploited, while managing to convince others that certain segments of society are more prone to violence and misogyny than others.


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Boom Boom wrote:
And certain forms of music are 'more in your face' than, say, country or folk.

Have you ever seen a Toby Keith video?


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