What can be done to de-radicalize extremist white nationalism

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As white people, it was our turn to experience the cold shock of discovering that a significant part of our community has been radicalized, sometimes over the Internet, into a form of intolerant extremism that rejects conventional Western values and threatens the integrity of entire countries. That it has so far manifested itself in ballots rather than bombs shouldn’t mask its gravity: Because we are so numerous, our zealots are capable of paralyzing nations.

We need to do what we have long told other groups to do when they face an extremism problem: Speak up about it, identify it, try to understand what has happened to so many people like us, find a way to lead them away from extremism.

[url=http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/us-election/the-real-reason-do... real reason Donald Trump got elected? We have a white extremism problem[/url]

Pondering

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As white people, it was our turn to experience the cold shock of discovering that a significant part of our community has been radicalized, sometimes over the Internet, into a form of intolerant extremism that rejects conventional Western values and threatens the integrity of entire countries. That it has so far manifested itself in ballots rather than bombs shouldn’t mask its gravity: Because we are so numerous, our zealots are capable of paralyzing nations.

We need to do what we have long told other groups to do when they face an extremism problem: Speak up about it, identify it, try to understand what has happened to so many people like us, find a way to lead them away from extremism.

[url=http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/us-election/the-real-reason-do... real reason Donald Trump got elected? We have a white extremism problem[/url]

Interesting article written to protect neoliberalism.

After all, the tragedy this week was not just that a radical faction within the white community broke away from the rest of the United States and elected an extremist, but that they abandoned the Democratic and Republican parties in the process, leaving mainstream politics without a language that can lead to victory.

The problem is radicals not the system.

It might be worth facing the problem directly: If the strongest predictors of white radicalization are a lack of postsecondary education and residence in an ethnically segregated non-urban community, it’s worth thinking of reducing the number of people who live this way. Increasing the proportion of adults with university or college educations is both economically sensible – since this is where the middle-class incomes are found – and also politically wise. Canada has a considerably higher rate of postsecondary education than the United States, and it may be one reason why these currents of intolerant racial politics have not washed up here significantly.

No middle-class jobs without a college education. All the service jobs can continue to be done by an underclass. Fast food, retail, garbage collection, road work, if it doesn't require college it isn't a middle class job.

“I’m interested in how reframing the language of national identity can have an effect,” he says. Instead of celebrating “diversity” as a virtue in itself, it may be better to focus on the other side of the immigration coin, the near-universal tendency of newcomers to adopt universal values, to become part of mainstream society, to intermarry, to become "normal."

Here you go, we need to focus on assimilation.

Great example of the kind of people blaming this on racism.

 

 

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

In Québec,asshole extraordinaire Frankie Legault has come out to praise Trump.

In Ontario,a judge showed up to work in a Trump hat.

In Canada,Kellie Leitch has said she wants to campaign like Trump.

Forget about the States. We need to ensure that provincially and federally that the current American experience cannot and will not happen here.

I think we should get involved right now,today,to make sure fascism is stopped at the border.

Don't think it can't happen here.

Pondering

alan smithee wrote:

In Québec,asshole extraordinaire Frankie Legault has come out to praise Trump.

In Ontario,a judge showed up to work in a Trump hat.

In Canada,Kellie Leitch has said she wants to campaign like Trump.

Forget about the States. We need to ensure that provincially and federally that the current American experience cannot and will not happen here.

I think we should get involved right now,today,to make sure fascism is stopped at the border.

Don't think it can't happen here.

So what do you think is the cause and the solution?

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Pondering wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

In Québec,asshole extraordinaire Frankie Legault has come out to praise Trump.

In Ontario,a judge showed up to work in a Trump hat.

In Canada,Kellie Leitch has said she wants to campaign like Trump.

Forget about the States. We need to ensure that provincially and federally that the current American experience cannot and will not happen here.

I think we should get involved right now,today,to make sure fascism is stopped at the border.

Don't think it can't happen here.

So what do you think is the cause and the solution?

The cause? Maybe 30 years of neo-liberalism. The solution? At any and all costs.

NDPP

The Myth of the Reactionary White Working Class

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/11/12/pers-n12.html

"This identity-based presentation of Tuesday's election is a fake narrative exploded by the most basic analysis of the data."

ikosmos ikosmos's picture

The "liberal" media only discovered the existence of the working class in order to criticize a large part of it. The rest of the time they simply deny that the working class exists at all, and, at best, wallow in post-modern identity politics that is easily co-opted into policies virulently antagonistic to working people.

So any claims by the same media that got the election so wrong are still suspect. Here's a little related humour.

All sorts of bigots are claiming Trump as their own. Let's see what he actually DOES before passing judgment.

mark_alfred

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[url=http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/us-election/the-real-reason-do... real reason Donald Trump got elected? We have a white extremism problem[/url]

Thanks.  Good article.

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

Wow.  Makes you nostalgic for 2008, and 2012, before the white extremists.

swallow

[url=https://www.buzzfeed.com/mirajacob/a-letter-to-my-brown-son-about-trumps..."If Trump doesn’t like boys who look like me, does that mean the government won’t like me? The army? What about the police?”[/url]

mark_alfred

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/10/opinion/america-elects-a-bigot.html

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It is hard to know specifically how to position yourself in a country that can elect a man with such staggering ineptitude and open animus. It makes you doubt whatever faith you had in the country itself.

Also, let me be clear: Businessman Donald Trump was a bigot. Candidate Donald Trump was a bigot. Republican nominee Donald Trump was a bigot. And I can only assume that President Donald Trump will be a bigot.

It is absolutely possible that America didn’t elect him in spite of that, but because of it. Consider that for a second. Think about what that means. This is America right now: throwing its lot in with a man who named an alt-right sympathizer as his campaign chief.

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That is not a person worthy of applause. That is a person who must be placed under unrelenting pressure. Power must be challenged, constantly. That begins today.

lagatta4

Historically, European fascism took hold in times of economic and social crisis. Remember the wheelbarrows full of currency to buy groceries?

And it was a means to quash working-class and leftist movements (if only that were such a factor nowadays!)

But they drew upon ancient racist and other discriminatory beliefs and modernized them into a modern killing factory. 

I want to point out a horrible recent case: a white supremacist who killed an innocent, elderly African-American man, one of those pensioners who collect and recycle bottles and cans, as "practice" for systemic killing of Black people. And so far Trump hasn't denounced THIS terrorist. 

Killing innocent human beings as "practice" is racist murder in the Nazi or Klan sense. 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/28/white-supremacist-...

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

At least he has been charged with a terrorism offence.

"A white US Army veteran accused of fatally stabbing a 66-year-old black man has been charged with murder as an "act of terrorism" after telling police he was planning a race-based killing spree."

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/03/james-jackson-charged-terrorism-ki...

lagatta4

That doesn't make the act of using an innocent human being as "killing practice" on the basis of his skin colour any less horrific, but at least it is some kind of recognition. These bastards are VERY dangerous. Remember when Zündel and his followers were dismissed a cranks? 

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

White Nationalists, Neo-Nazis & Right-Wing Militia Members Clash with Antifa Protesters in Berkeley

In Berkeley, California, at least 20 people were arrested as fights broke out between white nationalist Trump supporters and antifascist protesters during competing rallies on Saturday. Photos show some of the Trump supporters posing with the Nazi salute. Police say at least one person was stabbed during the clashes. Several more were injured. In one instance, a known white supremacist was videotaped punching a young antifascist woman named Louise Rosealma in the face. The man who is seen punching her is Nathan Damigo, a former marine who founded the white supremacist organization known as "Identity Europa." For more, we speak with award-winning reporter Shane Bauer. His most recent article is titled "I Went Behind the Front Lines with the Far-Right Agitators Who Invaded Berkeley."

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SHANE BAUER: Well, he was—he was saying something that I heard from a lot of people, that they came out for free speech. He also came from another part of the country, which was true for a lot of the people that I spoke to. What was really surprising to me about this demonstration and this rally was the kind of—the coalition that came together. I mean, there were white nationalist groups, like Identity Europa. There was one group that spoke at the rally called the Pink Pistols, which is an LGBT group that are Second Amendment advocates and supporters of Trump, because they support the Muslim ban. There were African-American speakers that spoke in favor of Trump. There were—was a writer from AltRight.com who, you know, spreads the conspiracy theory of white genocide. I mean, it was a really strange coalition of people that were coming together under this kind of one banner of free speech and, you know, being able to say what they want.

lagatta4

Pinkwashing is very dangerous, from the Netherlands to Tel Aviv.  Peter Drucker analyses this phenomenon in his latest book: Warped: Gay Normality and Queer Anti-Capitalism. http://www.brill.com/products/book/warped

quizzical

​didn't want to start a new topic.

An eminent Canadian historian whose writings on the Holocaust in Poland have attracted death threats said Tuesday that fierce criticism of his research is an unjustified attack on academic freedom.

In an interview, University of Ottawa Prof. Jan Grabowski, 55, said he would not allow the "campaign of hate" to distract him from delving into what he called an ugly, but little-told, piece of history.

"I feel personally attacked but this is for me a much more dangerous and general problem that has to be dealt with," Grabowski told The Canadian Press from Ottawa. "It's a pure and simple attack on basic academic freedoms, which we take for granted here in Canada. I'm dismayed."

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/canadian-prof-says-hes-a-target-of-...

NDPP

United Anti-War Coalition Conference, Part 1 of 2

https://www.blackagendareport.com/node/5884

"Against war, injustice and repression. And end to the wars, occupations at home and abroad."

 

UNAC Conference Highlights Part 2 of 2

https://www.blackagendareport.com/node/5883

The building of such movements here is an answer to the question posed by this thread.