Why I hate white ‘anti-racists’

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Why I hate white ‘anti-racists’

 

Makwa Makwa's picture

From "Resist Racism: [url=http://resistracism.wordpress.com/2008/04/05/why-i-hate-white-anti-racis... the good of your immortal soul[/i]:[/url]

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I would laugh if it weren’t for the fact that so many discussions of racism end up with white people similarly claiming all the air in the room for themselves. Once during a discussion of systemic institutionalized racism, a white man talked about the racism he too had suffered. He talked about how black people were racist too. And when asked what he was referring to, he said a black boy had thrown pebbles at him once when he was walking down the street.

I AM NOT MAKING THIS UP.™

At another community meeting convened to discuss problems of racism in the schools, a white woman took up a large portion of time while she cried. She said that she had tried, really tried, to be nice to black people. But sometimes they were mean to her.

And of course, people of color should be extra-nice to white people who deign to come and help us out with our “plight.” We should give them cookies and be very grateful. Because of course, racism isn’t their responsibility.


[ 06 April 2008: Message edited by: Makwa ]

martin dufresne

These situations where Whites insist on "their" issues always remind me of one of the most heart-breaking moments of The Color Purple, when Sofia is let out of jail to accompany Millie, the White mayor's wife, around in her new car. (Sofia is in jail - after having been mobbed - for having talked back to the mayor's wife in the first place.) As I recall, Sofia goes to visit her children who haven't seen her in a long time and it's a very moving scene. But Millie - who has stayed outside in the car - grows jealous and starts driving the car around in circles as if she was completely helpless and needed for Sofia to remain with her instead of her own children. Sofia and her family look at her with pity but also with fear since her self-conscious pique threatens them all and Sofia must attend to her and leave.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

I remember that scene. However, a small correction about what happened it in:

Originally, the plan had been for Sofia to attend Christmas dinner with her family and for the white woman to drive the car home herself. However, the car got stuck in the mud and the woman got flustered and scared, and thus insisted that Sofia drive her back(and, implicitly, that neither Sofia drive back to her own relatives alone in the car or that any of Sofia's young relatives drive the woman back and then return with the car).

Thus, Sofia had to give up Christmas and go back to her employer, because the white woman couldn't be seen as having failed to drive the car properly.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

(Back on thread).

Makwa, out of respect, this is going to be my last post in this thread.

When I hear of other white people doing that, it makes me cringe. I can only hope I've avoided doing it myself unconsciously, and I apologize to any POC if I ever DID do it.

Discussions of racism are discussions where white people should just sit and listen.

I realize my two posts here make it sound somewhat contradictory for me to say that, but I'm going to end now by loudly telling myself:STFU, idiot!

Cueball Cueball's picture

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Originally posted by Ken Burch:
[b](Back on thread).
Discussions of racism are discussions where white people should just sit and listen.
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Care to elaborate on that? [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

Not for all the haggis in Scotland.

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(and that actually IS my last post in this thread. Really am just gonna sit and listen from now on.)

Seddig

I don’t think white folks should stop talking when there is discussion of racism. I do however think that white people should absolutely refrain from changing the discussion to make it about themselves and start feeling sorry about themselves. They shouldn’t change the topic to other forms of oppression either. All kinds of oppression should be discussed at the right time and right place but almost every time there is discussion about racism some white folks start talking about “other” forms of oppression such as oppression of “short people”, “ugly people” , etc. This is just an attempt to minimize impact of racism and a way of bringing attention to themselves not to mention their desperate attempt to hang on to their white privilege.

White people can contribute to combating racism by talking about white privilege and how white folks are contributing to racism. It actually would be much easier for a white person to talk about white privilege than a person of colour because people of colour don’t know white privilege the way white folks know it. We know how it is like to be subject to racism and have to fight for everything while white folks seem to be handed the same things as if it is god given right. We don’t know how it feels like to be given things without a fight. We know that even after a lot of fight we may occasionally get a portion of what we are entitled to.

So, please do speak but not the way white folks usually speak.

martin dufresne

A few things I have learned is that allegedly sympathetic members from dominant groups need to
a) not just talk when there is so much to do;
b) resist the temptation to argue back, addressing their fine points and distinctions to the people from the oppressed groups, instead of turning around and putting pressure on their group.

viigan

I range from dark brown in the summer to a sort of olive lighter brown in the winter. Can I post here seasonally, or not at all Ken?

Erik Redburn

I wouldn't advise it Viigan as you're obviously just another rightwinger who doesn't take any of this seriously and apparently feels no need to. (relative shades of skin tone is only one meaningless feature that people still identify with "race", as anyone who knows anything should know by now; "white" being just a particular code for the mostly Northern Caucasians who invaded the rest of the world several centuries back, tans being a meaningless seasonal variation that us whites for a time thought fashionable and healthy looking)

lagatta

His hatred centres on the Quйbйcois people anyway (even if they are brown or black).

But he has come up with rightwing stuff about all kinds of things.

Not surprising, as angryphones are a deeply reactionary species.

(By the way, so is a certain variety of "racial" Quйbйcois nationalist, centred around Raymond Villeneuve and les Chevaliers of something or other, but those infect French-language sites). Shut Villeneuve and Galganov up in the same room and let them reduce each other into purйe...

Frustrated Mess Frustrated Mess's picture

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Discussions of racism are discussions where white people should just sit and listen.

I don't think white people should even be [i]exposed[/i] to discussions of racism. All discussion of racism should deliberately exclude whites. That will teach 'em.

Usagi Yojimbo

Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.

The Netherlands and Belgium are just as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.

Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.

What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?

How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?

And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn’t object to this?

But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.

They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.

Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

Thanks for your refreshing take, sir. And don't let the door hit you on the way out.

ralphspengler

Tell us why fewer and fewer white people is "a good thing".

Tell us why whites must agree to and celebrate our own extinction,while the non-white world does not agree to or celebrate their own extinction.

Tell us why we should not call you so-called "anti-racists" anti-white geNOcide advocates.

Tell us how you anti-whites forcing us whites to "Celebrate Diversity" which obviously leads to fewer whites is not "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group".

Tell us why your scam should not be exposed at every opportunity.

Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

And sayonara to you as well, friend.

milo204

if the only way our shitty race can survive is to inflict horrible suffering and injustice on other people IT SHOULD BE EXTERMINATED starting with these two.

And what exactly are the attributes that make you so proud to be white?  capitalism, slavery, sitcoms, nuclear weapons, environmental destruction?

great job guys keep up the good work! 

theleftyinvestor

Blink blink. This is a bit of an old thread isn't it? Someone decided to reanimate it after three years.

I, for one, am doing my part to reduce the population of white-privileged individuals, by fornicating exclusively with other men :P

Seriously though - yes there is a part for white participation in anti-racism, namely because the people who are privileged by racism cannot change without being involved. But for lack of the actual experience of being hurt by racism, a lot of listening must be involved in that participation.

Lefauve

Calmez-vous le ponpon! first of all, trying to define who should fight again racist is racist in it self everybody have the right to take position,

Second, racism doesn't know racism, meaning that everybody whatever there race religion or group appartenance can display racism.

3th. we need to differenciate ignorance from racisme and bigotery. Ignorance, you just got to fill the hole, racism, there is no clear guide how to fight it

@usagi-yojimbo, @ralphspengler

Welcome to babble.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

Uh, lefauve, both of the people you just welcomed(and in all liklihood, "they" were the same person posting under different names)were banned immediately after their first posts.

Lefauve

Ken Burch wrote:

Uh, lefauve, both of the people you just welcomed(and in all liklihood, "they" were the same person posting under different names)were banned immediately after their first posts.

oups!

sorry!

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

No worries.  Just wasn't sure you realized it.  Have a good day.