Canada's massive military budget is off the table in federal election?

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humanity4all
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Wow, no comments?! For me it confirms, once again, that the peoples occupying these lands we call canada, are very violent and enjoy in endorsing their elites in destroying other peoples throughout this planet.


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That piece of shit excuse for a PM is avoiding all scrutiny this week, letting Layton take all the heat. He shrugs off any questions about the F35s, because he believes he will be back in office on May 3rd, and we can all go f*ck ourselves, because He will carry on as before, driving this country into the ground. Vote the bastard out, and lets join Layton in a national discussion on national defence needs.

 


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Okay I am ready for this new political trick in Canada.  The Liberals always run form the left and govern from the right.  I am now waiting for the NDP to run from the centre and govern from the left.  At least that is what many around here seem to expect.


humanity4all
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BECAREFUL! Layton might imitate obama!


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I doubt it.  However they both come from settler elite families.  Jack's Dad was a politician and Obama's mother's family was very politically connected in the Hawaiian settler community. The difference is that Obama went to Harvard and was taught that American exceptionalism is an excuse for any behaviour.  He was taught that the century and a half old Yankee gunboat diplomacy was a positive force in the world.  Jack was educated at McGill and grew up and went to university when there was a national Canadian consensus against the Vietnam war and Pearson was laying out Canada's potential to stand between warring parties to provide space for cease fires to take hold. 

I hope he has the courage and vision of a Barrett and sets up legacies similar to the bold ALR policy. I fear he will be a Romanow or a Doer and thus almost indistinguishable from a liberal.  I hope he puts his ideas around housing into effect immediately and also goes ahead with massive green infrastructure projects.  Then if he only lasts for a single term he will have left a legacy like the farmland in the Lower Mainland.  Thanks Dave


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Time will tell..... I will not be disapponted, there are many examples in history on people changing once given power. When you tell me he went to mcgill, I laugh, there were many psychological experiments done there by pentagon in the sixties. If he was so progressive, how could he support sending his queen's armies, to kill the poorest peoples in the world?


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I agree and the NDP's call to bomb Libya literally made me cry.  But since I have hoped for an NDP government for 40 years I couldn't stay at home and not vote for whatever change they will ultimately bring.  I prefer to be optimistic while trying not to be naive.


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When I refer to the poorest people in the world, I am referring to Afghanistan, as Libya is the wealthiest country in Africa. After this invasion by the mafia family of nations, it will also become poor!


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Yes I understand that totally. I was in Afghanistan in the early '70's and the poverty was everywhere and crushing.  I can only imagine Kandahar now after 30 years of civil wars.  It had some beautiful sections with nice tree lined streets because it was originally built around an oasis.  In images I see from there I see nothing good.  The people of Afghanistan will drive out the NATO invaders like the British before them a century ago.  When NATO leaves, just like when the British left, there will be few if any collaborators alive within a week.


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I am sorry, you cannot have a civil war once you are invaded!


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humanity4all wrote:

I am sorry, you cannot have a civil war once you are invaded!

Actually you can have one and then the other and then back again with overlap in between.  The socialists won power peacefully and the US armed fundamentalists who were pissed at the government and its progressive policies like rights for women.  Russia provided military aid and then troops at the behest of the government to put down the Western backed insurgents. The Russian invasion caused the socialist government to loose all credibility with the people and it becomes a liberation struggle against the Russian invaders. Many Canadians of my generation appreciated the high quality black hash that the Afghan freedom fighters managed to smuggle out during that period.  [see Ollie North saga]  After driving the Russians out of the country the Afghan fighters split into factions.  The warlords who controlled the government were so brutal that the war weary people cheered the Taliban's defeat of the Northern Alliance in the civil war after the Russians where driven out.  They from all accounts ruled brutally until the US in a hissy fit decided to invade and convinced its NATO lapdogs to join in.  Since then it has been an unending war with Canada as the new invasion force.  Civil war for parts of it and two different wars of liberation with one still going on. You can call it anything you would like it still means continuous death and destruction for more than a generation.


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Not sure where to put this - just heard on CBC that the Cons are going to restore "Royal" to the Canadian navy, and maybe other branches of the military.

 

 

 

ETA: Navy, air force to get back old 'royal' names


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The terminology of maritime command did not fit into NATO's command structure easily is my guess for the reason for the change. Our military is back to its position before the '30's as subordinate part of a larger imperial war machine.  Our Butcher of Libya has always had a Commander in Chief and he doesn't reside in Ottawa.  


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I should have deleted my post - there's a new discussion of the name change in the other thread.


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Canada's Hawkish Foreign Policy  - by Paul Weinberg

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/08/16-0

"...Furthermore, the Canadian mainstream political parties, right and left, appear to have developed a common consensus on the necessity for increased defence expenditures - it leads us to situations like Afghanistan and Libya, where all parties agree among themselves to be quiet and not say much...A weak anti-war movement at home has made countering this a challenge.."

 


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