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babble Hall of Fame: version X.2.1

I tried finding the old babble hall of Fame, but could go back only to October, 2008.

In any case, skarredmunkey's response to genstrike's question here,  

"Who exactly sees Ignatieff as the second coming of Trudeau?" here is a beaut.

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A classist, priveleged twit and an ostensible liberal with delusions of grandeur who goes back and forth between ideas and policies that are everything from "centrist" to outright fascist, and will probably, sadly, become Prime Minister some day by attempting to look young fresh and new?

I'd say the comparison is fair.

al-Qa'bong

Say, why can't I edit that first post?  There's an extra "here" there.

martin dufresne

"will probably, sadly, become Prime Minister some day "

Not if Quebec can help it.

Fidel

[url=http://www.rabble.ca/babble/national-news/son-long-gun-registry-contd#co... Paine[/url] on gun control:

 

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You want gun control?  Start a website devoted to arming the left.  Education on weapons, how to purchase, how to navigate the regulations, etc.

You'd have gun control faster than Flaherty at a blind man kicking contest.

mahmud

 NorthReport on Liberal Party of Canada
"I also notice Warren Kinsella has bowed out or got the boot, not sure which.
 Not that it matters, as he usually does more harm than good to whoever he is
promoting, which is usually himself."
 
-NothReport (November 21, 2009) in
http://www.rabble.ca/babble/canadian-politics/wife-former-leader-stephane-dion-lambastes-liberal-party-facebook

Slumberjack

Fidel, taking a creative pause from the usual toadies and lapdogs routine...

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Harper is just a shoulder parrot for Uncle Peg-leg next door. Harper and his reformaTories are full of baloney on their best of days. If we can't take him seriously, how can leaders of real countries treat him like a real leader? Harper is a stooge.

George Victor

Contrarianna succinctly wrapping a long thread with finesse:

 

"Defenders of the large population, (of the future, and current) are correct when they point out 2 realities--but when these truths are considered simultaneously, they do not give cause for environmental complacency, or hardly reason for hope.

 

 

 The first is that truth that as societies move from "developing" status to "developed", it usually entails decreasing family size.

 

The second is that consumption and eco-footprint of individuals in "developed" countries are many times that of "developing" societies.

The coupling of global capitalism, (with its appetite for cheap, plentiful, disposable labour) with the universal human desire for self-advancement and  "getting things", both needed--and ultimately unneeded, will continue the current mass extinction event and result in the desertification of the planet."

 

Tommy_Paine

 

On his timeless album wich included "the seven words you can't say on T.V."  the late and very much missed George Carlin also treated us to combinations of words that you just don't hear, like "hand me that piano".

 

But Oldgoat found one that Carlin missed:

-DUCK! It's a flying buttress!

 

http://www.rabble.ca/babble/international-news-and-politics/berlusconi-h...

 

Polly B Polly B's picture

Bagkitty shadow moderating the personal attack thread...

 

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Hey, this is a thread about personal attacks, not techo-babble. Either launch a personal attack or go elsewhere.

al-Qa'bong

oldgoat, uniting discussions from a couple of threads, while displaying the comedic eye and timing of a virtuoso:

 

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-. ..- -- .--. - -.--

George Victor

Fotheringay-Phipps:

"It's all well and good to wag a finger at sinners, but virtue gets harder every day simply because of the way the Almighty Market is constructing our society. You can exhort people to live a healthy life and get the righteous thrill of being Jeremiah in a jogging suit. Or you can actually help them by trying to build a healthier society."

 

("Jeremiah in a jogging suit" will be placed in a frame.)

G. Muffin

Sweet Jeremiah in Sneakers!

G. Muffin

Polly B wrote:

Bagkitty shadow moderating the personal attack thread...

 

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Hey, this is a thread about personal attacks, not techo-babble. Either launch a personal attack or go elsewhere.

 

Good call, Polly!!!

G. Muffin

Fidel wrote:

[url=http://www.rabble.ca/babble/national-news/son-long-gun-registry-contd#co... Paine[/url] on gun control:

 

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You want gun control?  Start a website devoted to arming the left.  Education on weapons, how to purchase, how to navigate the regulations, etc.

You'd have gun control faster than Flaherty at a blind man kicking contest.

Want gun control?  Listen to Nada Stotland (former director of the American Psychiatric Association) say that keeping guns away from crazies is all discriminatory and harsh and judgmental and unfair, like.  Anybody think EFA should carry a gun?

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500_Apples wrote:

Sven,

I think the individualism you promote would have been very sensible in the 18th century, when the state of philosophical knowledge was as it was. The simple fact is that a lot of these individualist theories have been comprehensively discredited by reasoned arguments and detailed research. They simply don't hold. I don't buy into the environmental determinism of a few on this thread but they very much have a point and they're closer to reality than you are. I'll address some of your points.

Sven wrote:

In reality, many problems require a combination of systemic solutions and personal initiative.  If a society has poor roads and a virtually non-existent transportation infrastructure, even Herculean personal efforts will not result in a competitive economy.  If laws don't prohibit hiring and firing for discriminatory reasons, both society and the individuals effected by those discriminatory actions will suffer.

 

This for example is a completely false dichotomy. The example that immediately comes to mind is the 1960s USian civil rights act, which a lot of charlatan libertarians like to argue forced a behavioral system on innocent business owners by government fiat. It was nothing like that... it was the business owners forcing their backwards way of mind onto African Americans for hundreds of years. The nominal change that there was was not brought in "by government", but actually by the collective individual actions of millions of people who were actively fighting the system and bringing tremendous pressure on the Johnson administration.

Sven wrote:

You're failing in school?  Huh.  It must be that the school's fault.  The fact that you spend hours every day playing video games instead of cracking open your books couldn't possibly be the cause of your failure.  Instead, the school needs more money - that is "the solution"!!

 

Blaming video games is a nice populist theory but it doesn't hold up to scrutiny. There simply are better schools, better learning environments and better teachers and these make a tremendous difference. There's an excellent article in this month's The Atlantic which investigates 20 years of data that Teach for America has collected on the rrecent graduates it sends to inner city schools. They try and select for better teachers, and now they find that 44% of their teachers succeed in raising their students test scores by over 1.5 grade levels. If teachers didn't matter as you imply then that wouldn't be the case.

In all schools, there's a distribution of the amount of time kids spend on video games, as there is between schools as well. It's not the games. It's everything. Teachers, schools, home environment, etc.

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If anything, going after simple explanations like "video games" is not jut false, it's lazy. You're being frightened away from the underlying complexity of reality, because you don't want to think that hard and you might not like the answers.

 Thank you very much.

 

G. Muffin

Actually, some of those simple explanations do work. Video games ... ADHD ... Ritalin ... crystal meth ... violence is a progression that makes sense to me. It's not the answer to the whole problem, by any means.

Same with mental illness. Instability ... drug dabbling ... further instability ... 911 ... bad experience ... more drugs ... more instability ... and then pretty soon the police all know your name.

George Victor

Beacause they are "simple explanations", they are used by the Bushies and Harpers on their law and order crusades...without doin' a damned thing about causation. 

But let's leave this thread open for babbler's famous phrases, GM.

G. Muffin

Fidel wrote:

[url=http://www.rabble.ca/babble/national-news/son-long-gun-registry-contd#co... Paine[/url] on gun control:

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You want gun control?  Start a website devoted to arming the left.  Education on weapons, how to purchase, how to navigate the regulations, etc.

You'd have gun control faster than Flaherty at a blind man kicking contest.

Happiness Is A Warm Gun.

I need a firearm like I need a hole in my head.

RevolutionPlease RevolutionPlease's picture

Tommy_Paine wrote:

Well, there is the thousand David Frum rule, I'll give you that.   

 

But without mummy, and unless marrying astutely is a journalistic skill, there's not much between him and "would you like fries with that?"

 

From here:

 

http://rabble.ca/babble/canadian-politics/next-liberal-leader-political-...

Lard Tunderin Jeezus Lard Tunderin Jeezus's picture

GOD wrote:

B9sus4 wrote:

I read a piece today from a guy who sat down and carefully read the Revelations part of the bible. He said if you read it close there's certain things that become clear. According to that stuff in order to get "raptured" you have to be a male Jewish virgin and there's only 144,000 tops that are going. Period. No women. No gentiles. No men who have been "defiled" (sic) by women (that's what it says.)

There's an awful lot of hillbillies that are going to be very disappointed. I 'spect they'll try to get their money back.

 

Don't worry, I changed my mind on that when I realized I was going to have to spend eternity with Ezra Levant!

from here

G. Muffin

Who the fuck is Ezra Levant?

Lard Tunderin Jeezus Lard Tunderin Jeezus's picture

I only wish that I was unaware of the existence of the fat little fascist that goes by the name of Ezra, GM. This is definitely a case where ignorance is bliss.

Slumberjack

From here:

Frustrated Mess wrote:
In fact, a true conservative would look at the huge amounts put away by Norway over a relatively short period of time and recognize Alberta as financially imprudent, at best, and probably stupefied by an idiotic ideology that argues you put yourself first by screwing thyself and beggaring thy neighbour while handing all thine wealth to huge corporations that will leave your home a smoldering ruin when they're done. What a bunch of fucking idiots.

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A very good point about those who defend Israeli aggression hereabouts:

Slumberjack wrote:

Open apologists of the former South African apartheid system, defenders of everyday systemic forms of oppression in this country, and those who excuse and support violent colonialism in other places traditionally have been ushered to the exits here. Can anyone explain the lenient standard applied in terms of the level of tolerance for hate against Palestinians and support for tyranny against them in threads of this nature? What any sensible person can clearly define as brutal oppression apparently is a matter of debate and merely comes down to ones point of view.

Instead of isolating them from meaningful dialogue as the pariahs they are, spitting distain without regret through the act of expelling their reprehensible excuses and ideology from a community which speaks of valuing human decency over the monstrosity that these interlopers pathetically represent, they are continuously permitted to assault reason, honesty, justice, and dignity with every fetid post that documents not only their shame, but our own in not calling for their immediate removal whenever they rear their ugly heads on this board.

 

N.Beltov N.Beltov's picture

al-Qa'bong wrote:
Come on; who else defends ethnic cleansing, theft and murder because God is their realtor?

 

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George Victor

al-Qa'bong , on March 21 observed:'

"If one takes the steamengine of thought that runs from Rousseau through Kant to Hegel, one sees that the state is an expression of the will of either God or The People (or the two are the same).  One state (or the manifestation of the will of one people) is no better than another state, nor is one people any better than another.  There may be regimes that at any time may be qualitatively better or worse than another, but we're all peoples of the world, and none of us is better than another."

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Genstrike cuts through the bullshit, in the I support Cheri Dinovo thread:

genstrike wrote:

KeyStone wrote:

OK, so Cheri isn't perfect. Who is?
And so, not every one of her views aligns perfectly with the self annointed progressive left.

She's still better than most of the other politicians out there, by a long shot...

I don't understand these kinds of comments.  They're portraying the people who are crticial of DiNovo with all these stereotypes of people on the left.  That we're purists who denounce anyone who strays from the party line, that we're doctrinaire, wtc.

We need to remember, that it was DiNovo who denounced us and called people nasty things on facebook and whatnot.  Why aren't people saying "Okay, so the IAW folks aren't perfect.  Who is?  But so, not every one of their views aligns perfectly with the self-anointed adjudicator of what is acceptable on the left, Cheri DiNovo"

I mean, this is really showing some messed up and unbalanced power relations between activists and politicians on the left.  It's almost saying that we need to quickly forgive them for their transgressions, while they are free to constantly denounce us for our principles.

Fidel

[url=http://www.rabble.ca/babble/canadian-politics/continued-swiss-military-m... is Harry Patch.

FrmrSldr wrote:
I don't see a need for NATO in Europe. NATO should have gone the way of the Berlin Wall, East Germany, communism in Europe, the U.S.S.R. and the Cold War.

You can accomplish far greater things through trust, dialogue and cooperation than by fear, mistrust and antagonism.

Lard Tunderin Jeezus Lard Tunderin Jeezus's picture

Really, is there anything left to say after this one?

Gunner188 wrote:

Well the problem with a monument to the victims of capitalism is that you need to put an electronic ticker on it to keep tallying up the victims...

Stargazer

I love this one by Lou Arab in the Guys Being Confused thread:

 

"Guys being confused"???

 

Might as well call the thread "sky being blue."

Cueball Cueball's picture

Joey Ramone wrote:

What a moron.

Responding to this:

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I think there are US style Trotskyists who feel that socialism can't possibly survive without first condemning the Soviets, Koreans and Cubans as having been the evil empire. They feel obligated to legitimize themselves in the presence of liberals and conservatives. And I find they tend to sound a lot like American and Canadian conservatives at times when regurgitating the rabid anti-communist cold war era rhetoric.

 

found here: North Korea

j.m.
Unionist

[url=http://rabble.ca/babble/canadian-politics/jakc-layton-does-lets-make-dea..., nominated by [url=http://rabble.ca/babble/canadian-politics/jakc-layton-does-lets-make-dea... Boom[/url], reflecting upon the latest round of advance-guard rationalization in case the NDP supports the next Harper budget:

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Apparently there's such a clamour out there for making parliament work with the harpocrites, that it compels opposition parties through the sheer weight of public opinion to bend their entire ideology to the task.

Slumberjack

al-Qa'bong wrote:
You suggest you have the key to the solution. Please stop being so coy. Can you add any substance to these hints, or is yapping all you'll contribute?

Take your time responding, though; I have to take my zoot suit to the cleaners now and won't be back for a while.

A little Wednesday afternoon burlesque, starring George and al-Q.

http://www.rabble.ca/babble/international-news-and-politics/latest-obama-thread

al-Qa'bong

N. Beltov, on solidarity.

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Those who preach cynicism about social change are worse enemies than the "real" enemies. Their efforts demoralize others and poison them with the same virus that they are infected with.

N.Beltov N.Beltov's picture

[Billy Bragg and Woody Guthrie have some excellent quotes, better than mine and worth looking up, that address cynicism in politics.]

RevolutionPlease RevolutionPlease's picture

For North Report and I liked it too:

 

Radiorahim wrote:

Relax trippie this is a party of one.

Slumberjack

Yeah, but what about my spit in the face one...eh?

Lard Tunderin Jeezus Lard Tunderin Jeezus's picture

From over here:

Maysie wrote:

Btw, just because you put the word "radical" in front of something, doesn't actually make it radical.

Ergo:

"The magical, chocolate-dipped, groovy, most excellent, fabulous, innovative centre."

See? And I got nauseous while typing that.

P.S. I think I said what Slumberjack just said. Only wittier. Tongue out

Love it!

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Jingles wrote:

The Hens were fed up. Fox lay in the corner of the henhouse, and grinned through bloody teeth. "We must rise up and defeat Fox", said Hen, "for we shall never be free while he's in here, and our chicks will never be safe!"

Fox grinned through bloody teeth. "Sister Hen" he said, "Don't concern yourself with such matters. Lay eggs, see that I am fed, and I will protect you from harm"

Hen had had enough. One morning, while Fox slept, the hens attacked. But what could they do, with stunted beak and wing, to defeat Fox, whose teeth gnashed and spit blood and feathers?

"We must have help", said Hen.

"Someone help Sister Hen!" cried Rat, looking through the boards at the fight inside. "Fox will kill them all!" Rat gnashed his teeth with worry, but his beady eyes beheld the eggs.

"We must help Sister Hen!" cried Badger. "There is much we can do to stop Fox". She shed tears and gnashed her teeth, and her black eyes beheld the chicks.

"We will help Sister Hen" cried Wolf. "My pack and I have the tools to stop it. We shall ask our Sister Bobcat, and our Brother Eagle to help us save the coop! For Hen shall live in freedom, and never more fear Fox's gnashing teeth." And their cold, white eyes beheld the warm nests within.

So Fox was vanquished. And Wolf, and Bobcat, and Eagle, and Badger, and Rat, rested contentedly and righteously, their teeth red with blood, and their beds soft with feather.

Cluck, cluck.

Unionist

Jingles!! Thank you for being here!!

 

N.Beltov N.Beltov's picture

ya. beauty.

Lard Tunderin Jeezus Lard Tunderin Jeezus's picture

500 Apples says what needs to be said, and does so succinctly, here:

500_Apples wrote:
al-Qa'bong wrote:

We should have a special section on babble for whining.

I'm not sure if you realize the irony of your post.

al-Qa'bong

You could have cited some Alanis Morrisette, which would have given that quote some context.

RevolutionPlease RevolutionPlease's picture

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Alan -- I agree.

The media, owned by big business love him, and enough voters either want a tax cut because they are doing well; hope to do well and use the tax cut later; or are stupid enough to think that policies designed to help those better off than them are somehow in the end going to help them and the apathetic.

We already have a coalition of sorts: the greedy, the stupid and the apathetic and the currency is propaganda.

al-Qa'bong

Sean in Ottawa nails the difference between Tunisian and Canadian democracy here:

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If everyone on the left just lit themselves on fire the Cons would buy marshmallows.

 

 

Lard Tunderin Jeezus Lard Tunderin Jeezus's picture

M. Spector wrote:

josh wrote:

Walkom's whole thesis fails because of a faulty premise.  It wasn' t vote splitting in Ontario that was responsible; it was Liberals voting Conservative.

This is true. Liberals seem to believe they are "entitled" to the support of NDP voters in close races with the Cons.

In my riding, Etobicoke Centre, the incumbent Liberal lost to the Conservative by 26 votes (there will be a recount). The Liberal blames the NDP, who ran third. In actual fact, the Conservative vote increased by 2,822 and the Liberal vote decreased by 2,902; those Con votes didn't come from the NDP, but from the Liberals.

Personally, I blame the Marxist-Leninists for the Con win. Their 149 votes exceeds the Conservative margin of victory! [img]http://i32.tinypic.com/oi5aw2.jpg[/img]

post #25, here

Tommy_Paine

Doug, helping the Liberal Party find an Intrim Leader: 

"They may as well make Dr. Kevorkian the interim leader."

 


http://rabble.ca/babble/canadian-politics/chretien-pushing-rae-interim-l...

 

N.Beltov N.Beltov's picture

Here's ghoris on the hasty re-write of a canned, puff piece by The Province (Vancouver) following BC Premier Clark's narrow victory over NDPer David Eby ...

ghoris wrote:
As the saying goes, I'd use The Province for toilet paper, except it's already covered in crap.

Vancouver-Point Grey By-Election thread

Lard Tunderin Jeezus Lard Tunderin Jeezus's picture

In a discussion of debt-financed consumerism:

milo204 wrote:

it's the "company store" on a national level.

from here

 

 

Tommy_Paine

"DSK is about as threatening to global imperialism as Tony Blair."

genstrike, throwing the truth around with wild abandon, # 38, here:

 

http://rabble.ca/babble/international-news-and-politics/head-internation...

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