If time travel was ever possible, then why hasn't someone from the future come back to visit us?

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This clearly is not a very scientific discussion, but it might be helpful to clear up one thing. Physics does not at all say that time travel is impossible, but it is necessary to be specific about the different types of time travel. Time travel to the future is one of the central themes of Albert Einstein's theory of special relativity. If you travel near the speed of light, time in your reference frame slows down 'relative' to other reference frames so that you 'age' less and end up at a time equivalent to the fututre in the other reference frames. General relavity makes it all more complicated because it accounts for acceleration/gravity, but the basic ideas still hold and have been proven in spite of the fact that they are so counter-intuitive, which is one of the main reasons that Einstein is considered to be such a friggin' genius!

Fidel

Tacyons? What the...?

I think what they are saying above, people like Hawking, is that travel to the past is technologically impossible for us at the moment. Technologically. 

Evolution and technological advancement should change that situation for us in a mere few thousand years. By then, man should consider traveling to the future not the past. The future is where we want to go.

The Time Machine, 2002 wrote:
"We all have our time machines, don't we. Those that take us back are memories... And those that carry us forward, are dreams." Jeremy Irons as Uber-Morlock

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Of course people from the future don't want to visit us.  They don't want to touch us, because they know where we've been AND where we'll be.

jacki-mo

I have a possible answer to this speculation: there are no people in the future.....

Fidel

jacki-mo wrote:

I have a possible answer to this speculation: there are no people in the future.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presentism_(philosophy_of_time) wrote:

In the philosophy of time, presentism is the theory that only present things exist, and future and past things are unreal.  The opposite of presentism is 'eternalism', which is the belief that things in the past and things yet to come exist eternally.[1] Presentism is compatible with Galilean relativity, in which time is independent of space but is probably incompatible with...

And Jackie could be right. Perhaps we as a species have no future. But what about other more successful and highly evolved species out there in the universe? Could they visit us from the future? Or if parallel universes do exist, and which could be anywhere from very much older to younger than this one, could they visit us?

jacki-mo

Fidel: The answer is yes about parallel universes. Sarah Palin is from one of them.

Fidel

ha! Good one.

"...for us physicists believe the separation between past, present, and future is only an illusion, although a convincing one."  - Albert Einstein

Out of the singularity was created everything in perfect symmetry. The past, present, and future exist simultaneously in space-time. Space-time can be curved. And if we travel in curvilinear motion, we could be constantly accelerating while time slows to a crawl. That sums up everything I've read about time travel.

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How do we KNOW none of them have come back in disguise?

It's possible they may have sent advance parties(or retreat parties, considering the reverse chronological sequence involved)to scope out our times surreptitiously.

 

Fidel

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnkE2yQPw6s]Michio Kaku: Time Travel, Parallel Universes, and Reality[/url] YouTube

Many worlds? Yes, this is modern quantum theory. Time is a river that flows. And like a river, there can be whirlpools and even forks in the river of time. Time travel represents a problem for us though, because we would need to utilize the energy of a star to create a time machine.

[url=http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=150037]Futuristic energy consumption by advancing states of civilization type according to Kardashev[/url]

 

KenS

SPAM ALERT!

Spamming across the babbling universe...

Did anyone notice that BabbleTime is now Atlantic Time. Finally, the centre of the universe stumbles in on me.

Not quite sure when that happened. Recently anyway.

I always liked it when we were on Alaska Time. For the longest time we've been on that old standard of the centre of the universe. Boring.

Are these wanderings across time zones deliberate? Or are the the inadvertent outcome of doing some tinkering with the site?

jacki-mo
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Time Travel in Einstein's Universe: The Physical Possibilities of Travel through Time


 

Will We Travel Back (Or Forward) in Time? by RICHARD GOTT III

Fidel

[url=http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/26270/?p1=A5]New Type Of Entanglement Allows 'Teleportation in Time,' Say Physicists[/url] "A shortcut into the future"

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But there's a twist. Olson and Ralph show that the detection of the qubit in the future must be symmetric in time with its creation in the past. "If the past detector was active at a quarter to 12:00, then the future detector must wait to become active at precisely a quarter past 12:00 in order to achieve entanglement," they say. For that reason, they call this process "teleportation in time".

You're a man haunted by those two most terrible words, What If? - Über-Morlock to Hartdegen, Time Machine, 2002

 

Fallout

Boom Boom wrote:
I guess the idea of time travel has fascinated people for centuries, and movies have been made about the subject - most recently Back To The Future and The Butterfly Effect, and there was a television series not that long ago about someone who jumped back and forth in time although I forget the name of the series. I recall very dimly that the idea of time travel has been pretty well debunked by physicists but their names escape me. So, why the continuing fascination with what is an impossibility?Undecided

Actually, I believe Einstein said time travel IS possible, but only in a very practical way. If someone can travel at the speed of light then they will pass time more slowly than someone on earth. Not very awe inspiring, except for the speed of light part, I guess. But, the thing we all want and mostly refer to when speaking of time travel he said was impossible, that being travelling BACK in time.

If it were possible the world would suddenly become over populated in the year 1933 as every time traveller tries to kill Hitler. Really though I think the past being unchangeable is much more poetic, and if it were possible then we would never learn from past mistakes if the consequences could be changed so easily. Where would it end? Want to save the dinsaurs? Want to stop Lincoln's assasination? Want to marry that childhood sweetheart who got away? Want to.....

If we somehow managed to travel back in time life would become a predictable meaningless existence.

Papal Bull

We already live in an unpredictable, meaningless existence.

 

Time travel just makes it a more unpredictable, meaningless, but endlessly amusing existence.

KenS

Geez, you are still here.

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I wish Hollywood and the television studios would give the subject a break. It's getting idiotic, some of the stuff out there.

Fidel

Newton thought time is like an arrow. According to Newtonian physics, time goes forward, never deviates, and always goes in one direction. One second on earth is one second on Mars etc.

Einstein said, not so fast. Einstein concluded that time is like a river. It has forks and sometimes acts like a whirlpool.

Some time ago Stephen Hawking was famous for saying time travel is impossible. He asked, where are the tourists from the future?However as somone pointed out, technology for invisibility is only perhaps 10 or 20 years away and much more technically feasible for scientists to achieve in this century than time travel. Theoretically there could be time travellers all around us.

Ten years later, Stephen Hawking says he has searchd high and low for laws of nature and mathematics that prove time travel impossible. He hasn't found them, but, he says, that time travel would be impractical.

Some theoretical physicists are saying that to travel back in time would be to visit a different fork or tributary of time. Parallel universes? The new science says this is more likely than ever according to the latest theories of the nature of reality. There is more matter in this universe than previously thought, and the new science explains it in the way that there must be alternate universes of reality and expanding, like soap bubbles touching one another and growing larger. Apparently a mysterious force of nature holds it all together called dark energy. Or at least, that's what they believe is true of this universe. Known laws of nature may be similar, or even slightly or entirely different in parallel universes.

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Fallout

Fidel wrote:

Newton thought time is like an arrow. According to Newtonian physics, time goes forward, never deviates, and always goes in one direction. One second on earth is one second on Mars etc.

Einstein said, not so fast. Einstein concluded that time is like a river. It has forks and sometimes acts like a whirlpool.

Some time ago Stephen Hawking was famous for saying time travel is impossible. He asked, where are the tourists from the future?However as somone pointed out, technology for invisibility is only perhaps 10 or 20 years away and much more technically feasible for scientists to achieve in this century than time travel. Theoretically there could be time travellers all around us.

Ten years later, Stephen Hawking says he has searchd high and low for laws of nature and mathematics that prove time travel impossible. He hasn't found them, but, he says, that time travel would be impractical.

Some theoretical physicists are saying that to travel back in time would be to visit a different fork or tributary of time. Parallel universes? The new science says this is more likely than ever according to the latest theories of the nature of reality. There is more matter in this universe than previously thought, and the new science explains it in the way that there must be alternate universes of reality and expanding, like soap bubbles touching one another and growing larger. Apparently a mysterious force of nature holds it all together called dark energy. Or at least, that's what they believe is true of this universe. Known laws of nature may be similar, or even slightly or entirely different in parallel universes.

Parallel universes definitely opens up the possibility of travelling back in time, as it eliminates the question of why we haven't had any time travellers pop up. I've heard it said that for every possible outcome to a given situation, there is a corresponding universe. So in another universe Justin Beiber really doesn't deserve the attention he's getting, the U.S. is a fiercely loyal colony and Canada is made up of people who aren't really all that nice.

So maybe time travelling will ultimately be acheived by tuning into a different frequency, like changing the radio station. But if that is true then what is the real reality, and it still doesn't solve how we can change past events in THIS universe.

Fallout

Papal Bull wrote:

We already live in an unpredictable, meaningless existence.

 

Time travel just makes it a more unpredictable, meaningless, but endlessly amusing existence.

I can't see how the ability to travel back in time would make things UNpredictable. If you don't like what is in the present, just go to the past and change the genesis of said outcome. Boom, predictability. Except for the second guessing. If you kill Hitler but his contemporary is worse do you let Hitler live or kill his contemporary? Also, doesn't killing make you a murderer? Whether justified or not. So if you kill Hitlers contemporary and that results in another country, say Britain, to become consumed by Fascism do you then go back and kill the leader of britain, let Hitler's contempory live, kill him or let Hitler live?

Well I take my first sentence back, the ability to change the past would make life unpredictable, as the myriad of possibilities to a given decision would be unknowable.

Fidel

Perhaps we are living in a universe where Hitler and the Nazis were defeated by someone from the future travelling back in time to warn certain countries to prepare for a war of annihilation against Soviet communism. Perhaps Stalin didn't fully understand why he had a burning desire to increase steel production in Russia 500% by the mid 1930s. And perhaps both Hitler and Stalin were guided by foreknowledge from the future of an opportunity in time to either takeover the world or merely stop the other from doing so. Who knows? Hitler and the Nazis were said to have delved into the occult and even been in communication with beings from another dimension, or maybe just another planet not sure about that. Anyway it was revealed to me on the very credible TV show, UFO Hunters.

Papal Bull

Hahaha, Fidel. I love those shows. THE VRIL SOCIETY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fidel

Yes, the Vril society. That was it. They were on about super people and the ultimate super weapon. Apparently the Nazis were the source of a German Roswell myth. Fascism wasn't the only thing imported to America from Europe after the war.

Fallout

Fidel wrote:

Perhaps we are living in a universe where Hitler and the Nazis were defeated by someone from the future travelling back in time to warn certain countries to prepare for a war of annihilation against Soviet communism. Perhaps Stalin didn't fully understand why he had a burning desire to increase steel production in Russia 500% by the mid 1930s. And perhaps both Hitler and Stalin were guided by foreknowledge from the future of an opportunity in time to either takeover the world or merely stop the other from doing so. Who knows? Hitler and the Nazis were said to have delved into the occult and even been in communication with beings from another dimension, or maybe just another planet not sure about that. Anyway it was revealed to me on the very credible TV show, UFO Hunters.

But that begs the question, why isn't our society....better? I mean if someone is gonna engineer a future outcome, then why not a GOOD future outcome? Unless we are to believe endless war, starvation, disease, corruption and just a general ickyness, is a future someone engineered on purpose. If time travel to the past were possible then why are we all not living in a utopian socialist paradise?

Fidel

Fallout wrote:

Fidel wrote:

Perhaps we are living in a universe where Hitler and the Nazis were defeated by someone from the future travelling back in time to warn certain countries to prepare for a war of annihilation against Soviet communism. Perhaps Stalin didn't fully understand why he had a burning desire to increase steel production in Russia 500% by the mid 1930s. And perhaps both Hitler and Stalin were guided by foreknowledge from the future of an opportunity in time to either takeover the world or merely stop the other from doing so. Who knows? Hitler and the Nazis were said to have delved into the occult and even been in communication with beings from another dimension, or maybe just another planet not sure about that. Anyway it was revealed to me on the very credible TV show, UFO Hunters.

But that begs the question, why isn't our society....better? I mean if someone is gonna engineer a future outcome, then why not a GOOD future outcome? Unless we are to believe endless war, starvation, disease, corruption and just a general ickyness, is a future someone engineered on purpose. If time travel to the past were possible then why are we all not living in a utopian socialist paradise?

I don't know why our society isn't better than it is. We are the only species to threaten the existence of every other living thing on the planet. Excellent question.

But I remember am American comedy show, Saturday Night Live. I think it's still on. Back in the 1980s they did a low budget skit entitled, What if Superman had landed in Nazi Germany instead of Smallville, America? And I have pondered that question ever since.

I think there are special people all over the world working against the forces of chaos. Sometimes they lose, and sometimes they win. We're still here. In spite of a cold war and unprecedented nuclear threats, we are still here. However, I think the next 100 years is crucial to the future of human development as well as the overall sustainability of our way of life. We've made a lot of mistakes. It's time to start making a series of good choices for the sake of the present and future. We have arrived at a different kind of fork in the road ahead.

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Fidel wrote:
But I remember am American comedy show, Saturday Night Live. I think it's still on. Back in the 1980s they did a low budget skit entitled, What if Superman had landed in Nazi Germany instead of Smallville, America? And I have pondered that question ever since.

Why? Laughing

Fidel

Because if I don't, then the world will blow up.

I sometimes turn the egg timer on on the stove while washing dishes. I give myself so many minutes to wash and dry in order to save the world. Games are fun. I was more or less an only child while growing up.

Papal Bull

Boom Boom wrote:

Fidel wrote:
But I remember am American comedy show, Saturday Night Live. I think it's still on. Back in the 1980s they did a low budget skit entitled, What if Superman had landed in Nazi Germany instead of Smallville, America? And I have pondered that question ever since.

Why? Laughing

 

Superman: Red Son

 

Aka: what if Kal-El had crash landed outside of Kiev, USSR rather than Smallville, Kansas.

 

It is a really, really, really awesome read.

Fidel

[url=http://www.techeye.net/science/scientists-close-to-creating-time-travel]... close to creating time travel[/url]
According to a message from the future

Txt urself from the future?  Will the first msg be lottery numbers, or "beware Daleks"?

Fallout

Fidel wrote:

Fallout wrote:

Fidel wrote:

Perhaps we are living in a universe where Hitler and the Nazis were defeated by someone from the future travelling back in time to warn certain countries to prepare for a war of annihilation against Soviet communism. Perhaps Stalin didn't fully understand why he had a burning desire to increase steel production in Russia 500% by the mid 1930s. And perhaps both Hitler and Stalin were guided by foreknowledge from the future of an opportunity in time to either takeover the world or merely stop the other from doing so. Who knows? Hitler and the Nazis were said to have delved into the occult and even been in communication with beings from another dimension, or maybe just another planet not sure about that. Anyway it was revealed to me on the very credible TV show, UFO Hunters.

But that begs the question, why isn't our society....better? I mean if someone is gonna engineer a future outcome, then why not a GOOD future outcome? Unless we are to believe endless war, starvation, disease, corruption and just a general ickyness, is a future someone engineered on purpose. If time travel to the past were possible then why are we all not living in a utopian socialist paradise?

I don't know why our society isn't better than it is. We are the only species to threaten the existence of every other living thing on the planet. Excellent question.

But I remember am American comedy show, Saturday Night Live. I think it's still on. Back in the 1980s they did a low budget skit entitled, What if Superman had landed in Nazi Germany instead of Smallville, America? And I have pondered that question ever since.

I think there are special people all over the world working against the forces of chaos. Sometimes they lose, and sometimes they win. We're still here. In spite of a cold war and unprecedented nuclear threats, we are still here. However, I think the next 100 years is crucial to the future of human development as well as the overall sustainability of our way of life. We've made a lot of mistakes. It's time to start making a series of good choices for the sake of the present and future. We have arrived at a different kind of fork in the road ahead.

I've lost all faith in humanity. I do not believe the light shone by those special people will overcome the general direction of humanities destructive nature. I also do not believe in a God. Thus you can imagine my dinner table conversation is somewhat bleak. If time travel were possible I think I would kill myself at birth. This world is hideous.

Fidel

Fallout wrote:
If time travel were possible I think I would kill myself at birth. This world is hideous.

I think that theoretically it's possible, but then you would only cease to exist in that universe. There would still be many more copies of you in other worlds. You might have to spend eternity hunting yourself down. But don't quote me.

Here's an interesting verse from "the book":

In my father's house are many mansions. If it were not so, I would have told you. - John. 14-2

Canadian Tom Harpur says the old testament and gospel languages were often poorly translated when transcribed from scrolls to text over the centuries. He thinks the original word for mansions here actually should have been "resting places". He thinks resting places means that the Christian heaven is not a bleak existence of endless harp playing and people lounging on clouds eating manna and whatnot, but rather an interesting and, according to other verses in the original languages of the day, a challenging adventure for all of us for the rest of time. So apparently we will have important jobs in the afterlife, or something.

 

Slumberjack

Fallout wrote:
I've lost all faith in humanity. I do not believe the light shone by those special people will overcome the general direction of humanities destructive nature. I also do not believe in a God. Thus you can imagine my dinner table conversation is somewhat bleak. If time travel were possible I think I would kill myself at birth. This world is hideous.

Wouldn't non-belief in a god make for more inquisitive conversations?  When the traditional story about the way everything is supposed to turn out is turned upside down, it just seems that the potential exists for everything to be opened up to a range of inquiries that were once thought of as evident.  There are reasons to believe that all hope hasn't yet been extinguished.  Look to any natural or man made disaster where human catastrophe and suffering are the order of the day, and you will find plenty of reasons within the context of human to human interactions and communal survival mechanisms that emerge, despite the best management efforts of the corporate state to compel everyone to depend on them alone.  Look to the Katrina disaster, and that southern white dude telling a visiting Dick Cheney to go fuck himself.  It appeared to me as an indication that even that typically supportive demographic had seen enough from the liars at that point.

Fallout

Well, seeing as how I am existing only in the universe I am aware of, parralel universes don`t matter. The truisms of that book are human truisms not divine truisms.

Fallout

Slumberjack wrote:

Fallout wrote:
I've lost all faith in humanity. I do not believe the light shone by those special people will overcome the general direction of humanities destructive nature. I also do not believe in a God. Thus you can imagine my dinner table conversation is somewhat bleak. If time travel were possible I think I would kill myself at birth. This world is hideous.

Wouldn't non-belief in a god make for more inquisitive conversations?  When the traditional story about the way everything is supposed to turn out is turned upside down, it just seems that the potential exists for everything to be opened up to a range of inquiries that were once thought of as evident.  There are reasons to believe that all hope hasn't yet been extinguished.  Look to any natural or man made disaster where human catastrophe and suffering are the order of the day, and you will find plenty of reasons within the context of human to human interactions and communal survival mechanisms that emerge, despite the best management efforts of the corporate state to compel everyone to depend on them alone.  Look to the Katrina disaster, and that southern white dude telling a visiting Dick Cheney to go fuck himself.  It appeared to me as an indication that even that typically supportive demographic had seen enough from the liars at that point.

Oh there is always hope. But hope is always dashed in the face punch of reality. Why is life so cruel to some, yet so forgiving to others. That single question is the reason why I do not believe in an ultimate victory for humanity.

Oh yes, time travel, well what can we do with the ability to act as a God? Surely it wouldn`t be for selfish reasons.

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I think this is my favourite thread. Of all time. Laughing

Fallout

Boom Boom wrote:

I think this is my favourite thread. Of all time. Laughing

How`s the headaches, you ok today?

Slumberjack

Boom Boom wrote:
I think this is my favourite thread. Of all time. Laughing 

And we're left to wonder why that is. Tongue out

Fidel

Fallout wrote:
Well, seeing as how I am existing only in the universe I am aware of, parralel universes don`t matter. The truisms of that book are human truisms not divine truisms.

The Kingdom is all around you. Rejoice.

 

 

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Fidel

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Slumberjack wrote:

Fallout wrote:
Well, seeing as how I am existing only in the universe I am aware of, parralel universes don`t matter. The truisms of that book are human truisms not divine truisms.

Well, they certainly are truisms of a particular form of control. And when one thinks about it, it mightn't come as a huge surprise to realize that the moderate to most virulent forms of religious based 'trusims' finds a a suitable ally of convenience alongside the more modern and currently predominant 'truism' of the free capitalist market. And so you have these ancient remnants that have become increasingly discarded elsewhere, hunkering down in fortress Amerika to evolve as new strains of militant extremism.  In order to continue perpetuating its remaining capacity for brutal control awhile longer, it has become a natural pairing for them to support the relatively newer globalized corporate order, which in the North American context at least has managed to mutate everything into a Frankenstien creation stimulated by artificially designed connections between liberty, freedom, capital, and god. It's reminiscent of the symbiotic relationship between the former ruler of the seven seas, Great Britain, and current master of the universe, the US.

But I'm probably not explaining my understanding of it very well actually, or perhaps the understanding itself could use a little more work.

 

I agree. You explained it well and I agree. However, how about 'Love thy neighbor'. Is that not a truism rooted in the soul of humanity? "Do not unto others that which you wouldn't want done to you'. 'Lay not up your treasures where rust and dust doth corrupt'.

Although I am not a theologist I am quite confident in assuming all religions have versions of the same. Surely these truisms are deeper than a power structure control mechanism.

Fallout

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What's this? Are you angry with me fidel? Please speak your mind, I will not be offended.

Slumberjack

Fallout wrote:
However, how about 'Love thy neighbor'. Is that not a truism rooted in the soul of humanity? "Do not unto others that which you wouldn't want done to you'. 'Lay not up your treasures where rust and dust doth corrupt'.

Although I am not a theologist I am quite confident in assuming all religions have versions of the same. Surely these truisms are deeper than a power structure control mechanism.

More than likely, the 'love thy neighbor' truism pre-existed before being incorporated into the superstitious mechanisms of control as they developed. Putting 'soul' aside for a minute, 'love thy neighbor' can be seen as an adaptation for survival among hunter gatherer and early communal living societies. Even without an encompassing understanding of theology vs. anthropology, I believe its logical to imagine that loving the notion of belonging to a clan or a community, caring for those who inhabit ones surroundings in an era which contained a range of known and unknown dangers outside of ones immediate field of vision, combined with great ignorance and fear about the way the world and nature itself came into being, is entirely consistent with the development of 'love for one another,' beyond individual maternal/paternal instincts that are common to every living thing. Many superstitions that were handed down out of the earliest known societies included things that were already well developed, understood and practiced, all without the need of having them demonstrated for our benefit by a divinity. The religious ruling classes simply made into edicts and laws what ordinary people understood all along as common sense behavioral patterns which were vital for their own collective well being and survival. If only those classes had practiced what they preached throughout history. By and large, nothing has changed for them in 10,000 years. Judaism as expressed through Zionism, the Christian Religious Right, and factions within Islam are all evidence enough of the perpetual stasis.  But I'm afraid we've veered rather sharply now from the topic of this thread.

Slumberjack

Fallout wrote:
Well, seeing as how I am existing only in the universe I am aware of, parralel universes don`t matter. The truisms of that book are human truisms not divine truisms.

Well, they certainly are truisms of a particular form of control. And when one thinks about it, it mightn't come as a huge surprise to realize that the moderate to most virulent forms of religious based 'trusims' finds a suitable ally of convenience alongside the more modern and currently predominant 'truism' of the free capitalist market. And so you have these ancient remnants that have become increasingly discarded elsewhere, hunkering down in fortress Amerika to evolve as new strains of militant extremism.  In order to continue perpetuating its remaining capacity for brutal control awhile longer, it has become a natural pairing for them to support the relatively newer globalized corporate order, which in the North American context at least has managed to mutate everything into a Frankenstien creation stimulated by artificially designed connections between liberty, freedom, capital, and god. It's reminiscent of the symbiotic relationship between the former ruler of the seven seas, Great Britain, and current master of the universe, the US.

But I'm probably not explaining my understanding of it very well actually, or perhaps the understanding itself could use a little more work.

 

Fidel

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What's this? Are you angry with me fidel? Please speak your mind, I will not be offended.

No it's just that we were happily discussing time travel until a preacher came along and suggested they would like to kill themselves because there is no God. I was just wondering how it is that you can possibly know this? I'm not saying I know one way or the other, but you seem to be sure and pressing the issue. Fill us in on the details if you will.

Slumberjack

Even Dawkins describes himself as sitting somewhere around 9.9 on a scale of 10 supporting the non-existence of god.  The remaining .1 is left open for future scientific analysis should anything pop up.

Fidel

Dawkins makes money from book sales. Don't ask him to prove his claim to scientific knowledge of God or no God, because he can't. How can he possibly know? Dawkins and the charlatans he criticizes all worship at the temple of mammon.

Slumberjack

He's made no such claim that I'm aware of, apparently preferring instead to contemplate evidentiary likelihoods.

Fallout

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What's this? Are you angry with me fidel? Please speak your mind, I will not be offended.

No it's just that we were happily discussing time travel until a preacher came along and suggested they would like to kill themselves because there is no God. I was just wondering how it is that you can possibly know this? I'm not saying I know one way or the other, but you seem to be sure and pressing the issue. Fill us in on the details if you will.

I didn`t say there is no God. I said I do not believe there is a God. I am agnostic, if a definition is required. That`s right, a fence sitter, I hedge my bets. As far as time travel being happily discussed I`ve been here since the beginning of the thread and I thought it was evolving to the more relevant issue of why we want to travel in time to begin with. If selfish here then selfish there, so time travel would not be an enhancement to humanity, but a continuation of the same old.

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