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[url=http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/993425--roswell-crash-was-stal...

"Area 51," a new book by investigative journalist Annie Jacobsen, says that Joseph Stalin plied his Auschwitz-honed black medical arts to turn 13-year-olds into alien-looking aviators who would pilot a version of a boomerang-shaped craft into U.S. airspace.[/url]

 

This one has it all, folks. Damn you, Josef, and your Auschwitz-honed black medical arts!!!!

 

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

Stalin ran Auschwitz?  Y'know...I kind of think the Pact was over by then...just sayin'...

Slumberjack

Which gets one to wondering if thats another genocide order he's scribbling on.

Papal Bull

NPR has a better article looking at the book.

 

It is one anonymus source that has a few pages at the back of the book discussing this theory. It doesn't seem too out of the realm of weird implausible possibilities to be a total joke, given the really fucked up science that occurred in the Soviet Union prior to the Cold War - nor given the context of the really fucked up science that happened regardless of ideological conflicts in the pre- and post-WW2 world.

Fidel

No, no, no, dumkopfs! The real truth is that the black sun wing of the SS were in kommunication with, and not Sov kommunists at the time but, entities from another dimension. Nazis were fascinated with the occult. They was tryin to create the superweapon and super science. What they had was die glocke or flying bell. It was shipped to Wright Patterson military base after the war. Area 51 is just a diversion - all the weird stuff is there at Wright Patterson AFB in Ohio. Barry Goldwater demanded to see real X-Files souvenirs and was told by Gen. Curtis Lemay, a war criminal and megalomaniacal psychopath leftover from WW II, to back off, way off. And the very hawkish Barry G. was miffed over that for quite some time afterward.

[url=http://geschaeftszentrumneuschwabenland.info/25/britische-ufo-akten-doku... Glocke[/url] or wunderwaffe.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

But where do the freemasons come into it?  And Henry Kissinger?

Fidel

Ken be serious.

ETA: I think I might even read Jacobsen's book of what she claims is "non-fiction". It sounds like it might even be more interesting than the usual tripe about this or that political person's deep-deep personal relationships with some other people in really thick book form.

NPR wrote:
"The idea behind it remains, why? Why were they looking for a flying disc? And conspiracy theorists have had their hands on this declassified file for over a decade now, and they say it proves that this flying disc came from outer space. If you read the documents, the takeaway that I found fascinating was that at the end of it, the Army admits finding the Horten brothers, and that the Horten brothers admitted their contact with the Russians and that's where the file ends. Everything after that is classified," she adds.

Well yeah? It has to be classified otherwise it's not an X-File!! Interesting, however, it's unbelievable. History buffs know that the Sovs air force was depleted and practically non-existent by the end of WW II and up to start of the Korean war. Stalin told North Korean leaders and Mao to back off with facing down UN troops on the peninsula for exactly that reason - the Sovs could not back them up with air power effectively against the U.S. air force, which was well stocked with planes and bombers of all manner by then by then.

And yet we are to believe that Stalin had a wunderwaffe? That's very interesting but totally unebelievable. Why didn't they use it against MacArthur as a show of force and especially after the disgraceful displays over Hiroshima and Nagasaki? It makes no sense to me. I've pretended to be a hawk for five minutes, and already I can't believe this propaganda.

ETA+: Okay I think I've solved it. Why would either of the cold warriors not want to use a super-duper weapon against the other? There is one good reason, if youre a clever militarist on either side.

Tommy_Paine

Dj'ever wonder that maybe conspiracy theories are a conspiracy to discredit actual fact based inquiry?  If I wanted to hide something, for example, why not at "Area 51" now? Perfect place.   And all those 8+1/ 7+4 (I won't say it) conspiracies kinda nixed any hard questions concerning real security lapses, deffence inabilities etc.  You'd think intelligence and USAF personel should have been fired/quit/committed suicide over just the accepted facts.

Conspiracy theories, I tell ya, are a conspiracy.

clandestiny

i have the 'metro' news articles right here. Someday, i dream Master pig gonna get his tip caught in a wringer- and everthing he does to escape just makes things more obvious to voters! The article in question starts with ...."Millions of pages of classified documents [from WW2] remain secret and need to be revealed...former U2 pilot mr superdooperman described his nerve wracking stealth flights over 400,000 square miles of Soviet Union in 1956 which brought back vital information that the Soviets were neither preparing for nor capable of the 3rd Word War."  The article goes on to ask "How did she get so many 'Cold Warriors' who have kept secrets for decades to talk?" Maybe she made them up, like Hollyweird made up Mr rambo?  Fact: The Soviet Union lost 25 million people in the 1939-45 war against fascism ; and it cost the USSR $128 billion in 1945 dollars- equivilent to its entire pre-1934 economy! Yet the USSR still was able to become a superpower contending with undamaged USA, it exploded its own nuke in 1949 and put man into space before US could even think of it! The Soviet Union fell because $trillions were spent forcing USSR to engage in a 'cold war' and space/arms races that it could not afford. Stalin WANTED TO share in Marshal Plan rebuild, and truman/churchill intentionally demonised blah blah blah....

I'm on a lefty website explaining the earth is not flat....fukkit 

Fidel

Yes they'd have some phony majority of voters believing that one person, Elvis bin Laden, outwitted a $40+ billion dollar a year intelligence agency. We'd have to be very naive to believe that fairy tale. Wouldn't we.

And never mind all those whistleblowers, bc they are like so many rape victims just trying to garner attention for themselves. All the world's a stage according to coincidence theorists. Better to write 9/11 off to foulups and wires crossed, that sort of thing. Like Dick Cheney said about Iraq - it was all the CIA's fault for embroiling US taxpayers in an expensive war with no basis in fact for that second false pretext for attack and invasion of an oil-rich desert country.

And look at poor Maddy Albright having to defend that wild coincidence to the press when asked about the premature deaths of anywhere from half to three-quarters of a million Iraqi children. These wild coincidences and intel foulups tend to always work in favour of the corruption in and out of government. Because govmint people don't lie only whistleblowers blowing whistles on the corruption and all around decay and rot in Washington. For some people, wild coincidence combined with gross criminal negligence and treason in general leading to mass murder and warfiteering in order to satiate the elites appalling greed is less plausible than simply: Oops! they did it again. 

Democracy should more appropriately be referred to as corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power. George Washington

Fidel

Tommy_Paine wrote:
If I wanted to hide something, for example, why not at "Area 51" now? Perfect place.

Why just Area 51? If they are hiding things in general, and what kind of undemocratic setup that would be I have no idea, why not maintain all kinds of secrecy about a hidden base as a diversion away from where the real secrets are stashed, like at any of the other dozens and dozens of high security military bases around the country? 

Government secrecy - and characterized by massive, simply massive and most expensive national security state apparatus in world history - and democracy are generally incompatible themes.

Tommy_Paine wrote:
And all those 8+1/ 7+4 (I won't say it) conspiracies kinda nixed any hard questions concerning real security lapses, deffence inabilities etc.

That's plausible, I guess. Except that there all those whistleblowers saying there is a massive cover-up. 

Rule 11 of 25 Rules of Disinformation wrote:
 11. Establish and rely upon fall-back positions. Using a minor matter or element of the facts, take the "high road" and "confess" with candor that some innocent mistake, in hindsight, was made -- but that opponents have seized on the opportunity to blow it all out of proportion and imply greater criminalities which, "just isn't so." Others can reinforce this on your behalf, later. Done properly, this can garner sympathy and respect for "coming clean" and "owning up" to your mistakes without addressing more serious issues.

More serious issues, like massive corruption in Washington and even treason for allowing 9/11 and worse to happen, like state dept officials selling nuclear weapons secrets on the black market to US-backed military dictatorships in the third world. Yes it's bad enough that so many people were duped into believing one man outwitted a $40B dollar a year intel agency. It's another leap of faith to believe they didn't know or were not warned about impending attacks. Coincidence theories are wacky and defy probability.

Fidel

Witness to Roswell: Unmasking the 60-Year Cover-up

Quote:
You will be shocked to learn that:

The Air Force used death threats against civilian eyewitness and their children to silence them.

The Air Force turned a small New Mexico town upside down and inside out...in search of a weather balloon?

The Air Force's next "official" explanation for Roswell will be its fifth!

The true number of witnesses supporting an extraterrestrial event at Roswell versus those favoring the Air Force's balloon explanation. Hint: It's like comparing the Empire State Building to a low-rise.

Witness to Roswell asserts that the truth cannot be forever suppressed: An alien vessel really did arrive, bodies were recovered, and they were not from here! Based on testimonies of 600 interviewees from the Roswell witness pool over two decades, including: military personnel involved with debris-recovery operations, civilians, and/or their survivors who testified to what they saw.

And unlike Jacobsen whose book is based on heresay of one or two people, the authors of this book named names when they published in 2007. But none of the lamestream news media reviewed Witness to Roswell, says Carey, a Pennsylvania businessman with an anthropology background.

Fidel

Tommy_Paine wrote:
Conspiracy theories, I tell ya, are a conspiracy.
 

I suppose, too, that sheep must think their herders are infallible and incapable of leading them astray. That is, until they are led into the valley of steel where they are made into lamb cutlets and to hang on high hooks. At some point it must dawn on them. bahahaha Smile 

Uncle John

Mmmm. Stalinist lamb chops.

Fidel

Uncle John wrote:

Mmmm. Stalinist lamb chops.

 

I hope youre not red-baiting. Not that anyone else here would object or anything, it's just that it used to be discouraged at one time. And I imagine you'd whine like a big babby with a dose of your own.

Uncle John

I tend to be as good at taking it as dishing it out.

..And there are plenty of Reds who don't like Stalinists:

Here : http://fifthinternational.org/

And Here: http://www.icl-fi.org/index.html

And Here: http://wsws.org

And I am sure there are more I haven't found yet lol

Fidel

Well I hate to be contrary for the sake of being contrary, but Stalin  is considered by Russians to be third greatest in history. If Russia had worst-past-the-post like here, there is a good chance Stalin might seize phony-majority dictatorial power if alive today. "Father Stalin" was Time Magazine's man of the year in 1942. Churchill and Roosevelt fully expected that Nazis would occupy the Kremlin six weeks from start of barbarossa. There he was holed up in the bowels of the Kremlin as millions fled the city and Panzer groups spying onion domes through binoculars. All they had to do was go get him.

And here The International congratulates rebs in Libya for attempting to overthrow Qadaffi the dictator. I'm pretty sure you don't agree with that, u.j. It seems you're on opposite sides of the fence to the NDP and The International on this one.

Uncle John

When it comes to the deep left like those, I am not sure what to believe, as if I settle on something, part of my brain will split off and form another tendency. Stalin executed his political enemies, including Bolsheviks.

Fidel

Uncle John wrote:

When it comes to the deep left like those, I am not sure what to believe, as if I settle on something, part of my brain will split off and form another tendency. Stalin executed his political enemies, including Bolsheviks.

 

There on some on the left saying he didn't go far enough in purging opposition to the revolution. I think there were many innocent people caught up Stalin's dragnet and some not so. Historians say that large numbers will remain fiercely loyal to an outgoing regime in time of revolution. The numbers vary from country to country from tens of thousands to a number of million. It's not an ideal situation.

clandestiny

plus, look at the tens a billions $ taxmonies SPENT demonising Joseph Stalin. I recall, as a kid, reading (crawdaddy mag? Ramparts mag?) that JF Dulles was once heard joking and crying with laffter at the way the bullshit media blamed Stalin for Trotsky's murder in Mexico- which was a playground of west intelligence orgs ie 'james bond' and company (the US occuppied Mexico in 1914, remember)  Just that little bitta trckery alone, taken to heart, destroyed much of what Stalin was trying to do- by making USSR look evil in 1940 when it needed the people of west's goodwill (hey, but who remembers all that stuff?)...the USSR lost 25 million people, and, western scholarship ESTIMATE lost $128 billion outta a $300 billion economy (in 1945 US dollars) fighting fascism to the death, yet, in defiance of even common sense Stalin WANTED to engage west in an arms/space race, wanted to spend fortune keeping Red Army in devastated east Europe; WANTED to crush the Soviet people under his jackboot, even though he actually AGREED at YALTA to, as Mister Roosevelt knew, SHARE IN THE MARSHAL PLAN!  but, again, who remembers all that messy detail stuff? And, ya know, old Roosevelt died suddenly just before end of the war (how convenient, eh, just like the WTC fiasco, or Oswald's job at the TSBDepository!) 

al-Qa'bong

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If Russia had worst-past-the-post like here, there is a good chance Stalin might seize phony-majority dictatorial power if alive today. "Father Stalin" was Time Magazine's man of the year in 1942.

 

My first reaction upon reading this was,"You didn't really write that, did you?"

 

Upon further reflection, I have to conclude that posts such as this are part of a greater conspiracy intended to discredit the Left in Canada.

 

Guess who Time picked as 1938's Man of the Year? I hope everyone appreciates the link.

Fidel

No it's straightforward FPTP electoral reality I'm afraid. Truman, Eisenhower, the doctor and the madman, Thatcher, Clinton dubya etc are all war crims and probably as electable today by a very dysfunctional worst-past-the-post system as would Stalin appeal to the more conservative base of voter support in Russia today. I didn't say that I am happy about it just introducing Uncle John to a bit of reality. And for what it's worth, I think Stalin would probably be more electable than Hitler in their respective countries based on their performances in WW II. As I understand it, the TV pollsters actually tried to persuade Russians not to vote for the man of steel- he was in first place at one point.