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skdadl
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skdadl
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Oh hai.

I know that there are some constitutional-law-thinkin'-type people hereabouts, so I came to ask a question.

Let's say that a particular bill has passed second reading and is in committee (however dysfunctional the committee). And then a snap election is called.

Is it true that the bill would survive the election, or would it have to be reintroduced into a new Parliament?

Thanks very much to anyone who can answer. We all need to learn so much more about how our Parliament works. I can do the U.S. Senate in my sleep, but I'm still doing just baby-steps with the Commons.


DrConway
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Wouldn't it die on the order paper? I seem to recall something like this happened in the 2004 election.

remind
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Bills that have not passed in the current government setting, automatically fall away, if there is new general election called. They would then have to be re-introduced in the new parliament.

skdadl
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Well, I hope that that is so, Doc and remind (nice to talk to you both), and it has certainly been my experience in the past, hoping against hope since the late 90s that the amendments to the Criminal Code re cruelty to animals might get through, which they never do.

However, we are being told something different about C-484, so I thought I'd ask the resident tall foreheads.


M. Spector
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quote:Originally posted by skdadl:
...hoping against hope since the late 90s that the amendments to the Criminal Code re cruelty to animals might get through, which they never do.
Are you referring to Bill C-373?

skdadl
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Well, I didn't know that I was, since I have srsly lost track over the years, but I'm definitely interested in anything you can tell me about C-373 as well, M. Spector.

Sheesh. I come here to ask a simple question about women's reproductive freedom, and suddenly I'm doing teh wee critturs at the same time.


remind
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skadal, well they would be in error, the technical term is that a "Bill dies on the Order Paper" when government is under prorogation.

However, it can be brought back at the same stage it was at before the prorogation, but there has to be a floor motion for it to happen, first.

So, let's say an election was called, all Bills "die on the Order Paper", whether it be in the House, or the Senate, if they have not yet received Royal Assent.

Then, when the election is over, and government is sitting again, there has to be a motion(s) from the floor, from a member(s) of the new parliament, requesting that such and such Bill be put back on the Order Paper, in the status of where it was, in the former government. The memebers vote on this, if passed, the Bill resumes where it was. If not passed, the Bill stays dead and has to be re-introduced starting from the beginning again.

ETA: Nice to speak with you again as well

[ 23 August 2008: Message edited by: remind ]


skdadl
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Aha! That is what I was looking for, remind. Thank you very much.

PS: You had better be right, chick. [img]wink.gif" border="0[/img]


Cueball
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I like that Memebers, as in "Meme", a Richard Dawkins term by the way.

quote: n.
A unit of cultural information, such as a cultural practice or idea, that is transmitted verbally or by repeated action from one mind to another.

Meme

And no its not a flame... I am the worst speeller as you well know... just struck me as funny in the present context.

[ 23 August 2008: Message edited by: Cueball ]


Michelle
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I don't know for sure, but I seem to remember from past elections that any Bills before the House that haven't been passed into law yet die.

Of course, it would just figure if I were wrong and Bill C-484 passed. [img]mad.gif" border="0[/img]


M. Spector
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quote:Originally posted by skdadl:
...I'm definitely interested in anything you can tell me about C-373....
Well, we had a thread about it, natch. [img]wink.gif" border="0[/img]

Boom Boom
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Hi, sk, dollink. [img]smile.gif" border="0[/img]

skdadl
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Well, I think this might be the thing that was misleading our informant:

quote:Originally posted by remind:

However, it can be brought back at the same stage it was at before the prorogation, but there has to be a floor motion for it to happen, first.

Must catch up on how Parliament works. I shock myself sometimes when I realize how little I know.


remind
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Your welcome.

With Epp retiring, at least I think I heard that, am pretty sure I did, somewhere [img]wink.gif" border="0[/img] it would mean that, someone else would have to take up his private members Bill c484 and request that its return, be debated and then voted upon, before it could continue.

I would doubt that anyone would take up his private members Bill, in another minority government, especially seeing as how it is such a huge target for backlash these days, and try to have it resurrected.

However, if there is a Con majority government all bets are off.


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