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Portugal 14 years after decriminalizing heroin:

http://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/portugal-cuts-addiction-rates-half

 

lagatta

I'm not at all surprised, but that won't convince the Cons.

We've been having a serious problem here in Montréal with very dangerous street drugs, as you may have read.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Marijuana has  a multitude of medicinal properties. Ecstasy is an effective way to treat PTSD and psylocibin helps people to quit smoking cigarettes.

The science has spoken.

Unfortunately we are immured in Conservative power,a world void of science and facts.

Doug Woodard

Scientists push to renew psychedelic drug research for psychiatry:

http://www.cbc.ca/1.3104349

 

milo204

Of course, we all know the drug war was never about "protecting" people from the supposed harms of recreational drug use.  It was about waging war on poor communities, the prison industry, wars in central america, afghanistan etc.  and more generally about enforcing an economic model and political system steeped in blind obedience to stupid laws....

i think it was Terrence Mckenna who said something about how smoking herb makes your shitty meaningless job look at lot less attractive, and motivates you to do things you're actually interested in doing...that's why it's illegal.

 

shartal@rogers.com

I hate what overuse does to people but prohibition is not and has not ever worked. The violence is part of prohbition like Al Capone. Legalization and regulation is better than unsafe and jail.

Doug Woodard

Medical marijuana legal in all forms, Supreme Court rules - Federal health minister 'outraged":

http://www.cbc.ca/1.3109148

I see that the accompanying CBC poll has 95% of repondents in favour of medical marijuana.

Does Harper really want to make an issue of this?

Make our day, punk.

bekayne
bekayne

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/marijuana-dispensary-regu...

"I am deeply disappointed by the City of Vancouver's decision to 'regulate' illegal marijuana storefronts across the city," wrote Ambrose in a statement Wednesday.

"Storefronts selling marijuana are illegal and under this Conservative government will remain illegal. We expect the police to enforce the law."

Rona Ambrose is disappointed. This is so heartbreaking to see. 

Doug Woodard

Chile lawmakers approve marijuana decriminalization bill:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-33438405

 

Doug Woodard

UK - The burning conservative case for legalising cannabis:

http://gu.com/p/4b3hh/sbl

 

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Doug Woodard wrote:

UK - The burning conservative case for legalising cannabis:

http://gu.com/p/4b3hh/sbl

 

Finally a piece from an established media outlet laying out the same plan I've been pushing for 30 years.

Too bad we live in a totalitarian state. As long as Mussolini remains PM,the WORSE marijauna policy will become. We're going backward. And your typical Canadian is blissfully ignorant to the fascistic state of Canada.

Doug Woodard

Why are drugs illegal? by David Nutt; UK point of view:

http://gu.com/p/4dky5/sbl

 

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Iran to legalize cannabis and opium.

It's pathetic when a theocracy is more progressive than so-called 'democratic ' Canada.

Hell,for years the Iranian state paid for sex change assignment. I believe now they changed that to a system like our University loans and grants program.

Doug Woodard

Treating alcoholics with wine:

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-36717557

 

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quizzical

thanks for this Doug.

Doug Woodard
Doug Woodard

People using medical marijuana take fewer prescription drugs, study says:

http://www.cbc.ca/1.3667375

 

Doug Woodard

Israel plans to export medical marijuana in two years:

http://www.breakingisraelnews.com/74746/agriculture-minister-israeli-far...

I have to admit that as a hot dry country Israel probably has the climate for it.

Doug Woodard

High Hitler: how Nazi drug abuse changed the course of history:

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/sep/25/blitzed-norman-ohler-adolf...

He doen't mention Hermann Goering whose addiction problem went back to air crash injuries suffered in the 1920s, and was responsible not only for the Luftwaffe but also partly for the war economy.

I recall that Paul Richey mentioned in his memoir "Fighter Pilot" about his experiences in the Battle of France, the rumours about drug use by German pilots and that he and his colleagues seemed to have a slight superiority in reaction time over the Germans; he wondered if there was a connection.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

I'm very skeptical when anyone,over 70 years after the fact,can find something new about Hitler.

Latest thing said about him (apart from allegedly having bad gas and a micro penis) is that he was doing methamphetamine. It raises questions. I've been involved with 'drug culture' for a long time and as I understand it,meth first hit the streets in the late 60's as 'crank' and even that was not what is sold today as meth.

When people come up with new 'information' pertaining to Hitler,it just comes across as a smear. He's long dead. Move on,already.

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

Well, on the flip side of it, we've all heard all the counter-trivia about Hitler -- that he was a tea-totaler and a vegan.  So if he was hitting some meth, that's vaguely interesting, maybe.

If you're in the mood for a slightly eerie (but short) YouTube, here's The 5 Creepiest Sounds of War, and one of them is Hitler's natural speaking voice.  We've all heard his "stadium speech" voice, but here he's just talking.

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People like to overlook the fact that he was a Christian,anti-union,anti-communist right wing ideologue, Come to think of it,he'd fit in just fine with today's Conservatives (worldwide)

He used socialism but was not a socialist in the sense of social justice. The Nazis were socialist by party brand exclusively. They and Hitler were totalitarians and authoritarians (sorry for the redundancy)

In any case soldiers,including American and Canadian soldiers,were quite possibly using amphetamine. It's a drug made for killing machines.

But meth? I think you'd have to be on meth to believe that.

BTW,thanks for the link,Magoo.

 

Doug Woodard

alan smithee wrote:

I'm very skeptical when anyone,over 70 years after the fact,can find something new about Hitler.

Latest thing said about him (apart from allegedly having bad gas and a micro penis) is that he was doing methamphetamine. It raises questions. I've been involved with 'drug culture' for a long time and as I understand it,meth first hit the streets in the late 60's as 'crank' and even that was not what is sold today as meth.

When people come up with new 'information' pertaining to Hitler,it just comes across as a smear. He's long dead. Move on,already.

Hitler's drug problems, his doctor's involvement, and the use of drugs by the German armed forces are things that have long been known in a vaguer, more disconnected way. I think that a systematic expansion of this knowledge has usefulness in increasing our understanding of history.

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Doug Woodard wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

I'm very skeptical when anyone,over 70 years after the fact,can find something new about Hitler.

Latest thing said about him (apart from allegedly having bad gas and a micro penis) is that he was doing methamphetamine. It raises questions. I've been involved with 'drug culture' for a long time and as I understand it,meth first hit the streets in the late 60's as 'crank' and even that was not what is sold today as meth.

When people come up with new 'information' pertaining to Hitler,it just comes across as a smear. He's long dead. Move on,already.

Hitler's drug problems, his doctor's involvement, and the use of drugs by the German armed forces are things that have long been known in a vaguer, more disconnected way. I think that a systematic expansion of this knowledge has usefulness in increasing our understanding of history.

OK. I'm not totally informed about Hitler's drug use. But methamphetamine did NOT exist in the 1930's and 40's. Heroin,cocaine,quaaludes and amphetamine existed.

I believe LSD was discovered in 1943 but clearly,the Nazis were not tripping. As an aside,LSD was used experimentally by the US military in the 50's. Their findings were the soldiers could not or would not make them capable of combat.

So if 5 years from now someone 'discovers' Hitler was a crackhead. It would be obvious hyperbole and just another smear against him to 'dehumanize' him. And people have been doing it for years.

What I don't get is that Hitler doesn't need to be shamed or dehumanized. He accomplished that himself.

I don't think it's a stretch to tie the Nazis with amphetamine. Amphetamine is still used to this day by militaries.

But no one was smoking or injecting methamphetamine. Especially smoking something since the Nazis and Hitler in particular were very anti-smoking.Plus,that drug didn't exist back then.

mark_alfred

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OK. I'm not totally informed about Hitler's drug use. But methamphetamine did NOT exist in the 1930's and 40's. Heroin,cocaine,quaaludes and amphetamine existed.

It seems some nerd who writes for Wikipedia disagrees with you.

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During World War II, methamphetamine was sold in tablet form under the brand name Pervitin, produced by the Berlin-based Temmler pharmaceutical company. It was used extensively by all branches of the combined Wehrmacht armed forces of the Third Reich, and was popular with Luftwaffe pilots in particular, for its performance-enhancing stimulant effects and to induce extended wakefulness.[134][135] Pervitin became colloquially known among the German troops as "Stuka-Tablets" (Stuka-Tabletten) and "Herman-Göring-Pills" (Hermann-Göring-Pillen).

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

mark_alfred wrote:

was sold in tablet form under the brand name Pervitin.

Yes a strong amphetimine. Not meth.

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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But methamphetamine did NOT exist in the 1930's and 40's.

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Three decades later, in 1919, methamphetamine hydrochloride was synthesized by pharmacologist Akira Ogata via reduction of ephedrine using red phosphorus and iodine.

Do you have a source we could look at, alan?

wage zombie

alan smithee wrote:

I'm very skeptical when anyone,over 70 years after the fact,can find something new about Hitler.

Latest thing said about him (apart from allegedly having bad gas and a micro penis) is that he was doing methamphetamine. It raises questions. I've been involved with 'drug culture' for a long time and as I understand it,meth first hit the streets in the late 60's as 'crank' and even that was not what is sold today as meth.

When people come up with new 'information' pertaining to Hitler,it just comes across as a smear. He's long dead. Move on,already.

I heard that Hitler was a vegetarian using methamphetamine at least 15 years ago.

Wikipedia will tell you that methamphetamine was discoverd in 1893.  That sounds about what I might have guessed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methamphetamine

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During World War II, methamphetamine was sold in tablet form under the brand name Pervitin, produced by the Berlin-based Temmler pharmaceutical company. It was used extensively by all branches of the combined Wehrmacht armed forces of the Third Reich, and was popular with Luftwaffe pilots in particular, for its performance-enhancing stimulant effects and to induce extended wakefulness.[134][135] Pervitin became colloquially known among the German troops as "Stuka-Tablets" (Stuka-Tabletten) and "Herman-Göring-Pills" (Hermann-Göring-Pillen).

I have also heard that Japanese Kamikaze pilots were taking meth, but there doesn't seem to be much online corroboration of that.  Although methamphetamine was first synthesized in Japan so it seems feasible enough.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

It just struck me as odd. I thought or at least believed that 'meth' didn't come about unbtil the end of the 60's,an apparently very popular and cheap drug sold by bikers and it was called crank.

Now if a tab is as much or more effective than what your present day addicts usually smoke or inject, I can see how I was wrong to assume such thing.

Fact is amphetamine was popular with soldiers in combat,still is actually.

I think amphetamine is the ultimate killing machine maker. When you're awake for 3 days you get manic. I can't imagine coming down after days of combat without sleep.

Drugs play a key role in war. Whether it be soldiers used as guinnea pigs to see if LSD would be effective tool for war or motorheads fighting a war.

BTW,there is a drug native to Columbia that when inhaled causes the person to become a zombie who can't resist suggestion and will empty their bank accounts and forget about the entire act.

Maybe this is Trump's plan. Bomb ISIS with bombs filled with that drug and suggest on loud speakers that they should pick up their rifles,stick them in their mouths and pull the trigger. Better plan than the 'Coalition of Nations' has come up with in 15 years.

 

 

cco

alan smithee wrote:

BTW,there is a drug native to Columbia that when inhaled causes the person to become a zombie who can't resist suggestion and will empty their bank accounts and forget about the entire act.

It's called scopolamine and is way more commonly used in medicine than you make it sound. If you've ever used a motion sickness patch, you've used it. Nor is it a magic bullet for turning someone into a zombie -- it reduces inhibition and affects your memory, but so does alcohol. It does, however, check all the boxes for a media-driven moral drug panic. See what foreign product will steal your children from you next!

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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Better plan than the 'Coalition of Nations' has come up with in 15 years.

Operation Pinata.

Drop a bomb on your enemies, and trust that when it lands, they'll immediately eat whatever is inside the bomb.

I think that's actually a bit of a Hail Mary, really.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

In large doses a lack of free will, Amnesia can occur, leaving the victim powerless to recall events or identify perpetrators.

I don't recall saying anything about 'blowing it in one's face' I did say inhale.

Nevertheless,

Usual dose is 1mg when used medically. So I'm gonna go on a limb and say shower all the rebels and jihadists (like there's a difference) , large doses of scopolamine absorded through the skin would render helpless. Or for maximum effect,pollute their drinking water with it.

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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large doses of scopolamine absorded through the skin would render helpless.

You understand that even if a drug is administered transdermally, that doesn't mean that sprinkling some on your arm will work, yes?

cco

alan smithee wrote:

In large doses a lack of free will, Amnesia can occur, leaving the victim powerless to recall events or identify perpetrators.

The same's true of the stuff they gave me for my dental surgery. In that case, an anesthesiologist was monitoring my breathing, though. Amateur mass drugging is a little trickier.

alan smithee wrote:
So I'm gonna go on a limb and say shower all the rebels and jihadists (like there's a difference) , large doses of scopolamine absorded through the skin would render helpless. Or for maximum effect,pollute their drinking water with it.

Do you have a method of targeting chemical weapons superior to all their previous users? If not, how is this tactic any different than "bomb their territory into oblivion"? Because it leaves the furniture intact?

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Quite honestly,I'm so sick of the Middle East if a non-chemical bomb could solve the problem by rendering the enemy (which at this point I have no idea is) powerless where we can at least round up as much as possible and lock them in a cage for the rest of their lives. How about Europe,you ask? I don't have an easy answer. They have a REAL problem with terrorism and radical Islam. Makes me laugh to this day of the 'terror attack' in Ottawa. Treated like 9/11 all to the advantage of Harper's Canadian Patriot Act.

But back to the subject. Donald "Duck" Trump is making broad claims linking drugs with terrorism. He openly wants a National Police State. When Cheeto face wins the election,medical marijuana and legal marijuana --- good bye. And a repeat of the Reagan/Bush Sr. drug policy of the 80's or at best the Clinton model of drug enforcement

Anyway.Smokes thems while you gots them. They're not coming for anyone's gun. They're not waging a war against Terrorism. The war is against us and we as a human race are to blame for it.

Peace.

wage zombie

MDMA lollipops via air drop, all over the middle east.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

What's so silly about drugging their water supply. It would not only be more effective than bombs but it wouldn't kill anyone either. Keep up with the jokes. Have a better plan?

wage zombie

My better plan is MDMA lollipop air drop.

Drugging the water supply is some ridiculous hippie fantasy that would never actually be feasible, for piles of various reasons.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

'hippie fantasy'

That's one of the nicest things someone has retorted back at me with here at babble in all my years.

I toast you (and myself) :cheers:

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

All you'd need to do is:

1.  go to Google Maps and type in "the water supply".  The red pin on the map will tell you where to go

2.  the water supply is probably just some big open, unguarded thing, so driving up there to dump some chemicals shouldn't be a problem

3.  dump them in!  As a basic recipe, a half milligram per litre of water should suffice, so maybe... I don't know, 50 kilograms??

4.  as a courtesy, perhaps send an anonymous e-mail to local hospitals advising them to be on the lookout for scopolamine overdoses (Did we do the math right?  Maybe it was only supposed to be FIVE kilograms!??)

5.  airdrop bags of pretzels and salty nuts.  This only works if everyone pretty much drinks a litre of water immediately

6.  wait an hour or so until the locals are all good and suggestible, then air-drop the Bibles and democracy pamphlets!

7.  it's got a half-life of about five hours, so soaking those Bibles and pamphlets in more scopolamine might not be the worst idea

8.  likewise, more pretzels and peanuts

wage zombie

alan smithee wrote:

I toast you (and myself) :cheers:

cheers :)

Doug Woodard
Doug Woodard

Preventing a cannabis lobby:

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23331082-300-preventing-big-canna...

The writer thinks that Canada's plans are a good example for others to follow.

Registration required.

quizzical

i don't want to sign up. what does this mean preventing a cannabis lobby?

 

Doug Woodard

quizzical wrote:

i don't want to sign up. what does this mean preventing a cannabis lobby?

Sorry, that was a bit unclear. The idea is that the Canadian government's plan will prevent the formation of a big-business industry group interested in expanding cannabis sales regardless of the public good, similar to the tobacco industry, and the writer approves.

Doug Woodard

Marijuana's health impacts reviewed in U.S. report:

http://www.cbc.ca/1.3932812

 

Edzell Edzell's picture

Doug Woodard wrote:
Marijuana's health impacts reviewed in U.S. report:

">http://www.cbc.ca/1.3932812

I was skeptic about medicinal cannabis until a blood relative with a serious progressive illness discovered CBD oil (not cheap.) Although he has tried various treatments, it alone has made a significant difference.

From what we've been able to read, CBD (cannabidiol - a marijuana extract) is not psychoactive like THC. Different strains of the plant vary in the ratio of CBD to THC they contain.

Seems to me the surest way to prevent the formation of a commercial cannabis lobby would be to remove the restriction on growing your own - maybe with some reasonable limit on the quantity. Many people in our position will probably just do it anyway.

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Next month I'll report what the current policy of marijuana possession is in Canada.

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