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I'm only going to say that after the final ballot has been counted on Tuesday, May 14, 2013, and the BC NDP have been elected in a majority of seats.
I have recently been reviewing the BC 2009 election results, and many of the ridings were won by very close margins.
Yup I agree with you NR, it ain't over until it's over. The thought of BC NDP Leader Adrian Dix becoming Premier of BC prompted me to create this thread. I am going along with the "positive" strategy.
If BC voters bring the Liberals back again, then BC deserves what they vote for. On the chance that BC brings the NDP into power, I feel as worried as the man looks in the photo above, given the state of affairs in this province. Positively.
I don't know how the business community can attack Adrian mmphosis but they will anyways, as his mentor is Glen Clark, and who since he left politics, has had a brilliant career rising to 2nd in command of the Pattison empire. Jimmy Pattison I understand is the wealthiest person in BC.
Do you think that it is admirable for the former leader of a social democratic party to become the 2nd in command to an oligarch in this corrupt plutocracy? If so, you certainly see things differently than I do.
I think it's helpful to get to know the details before jumping to conclusions, and sometimes generalizing doesn't quite cut it.
Who do you think hires construction workers?
Do you think it was the unions that offered Glen a job after his stint as Premier?
I'm sorry, but I don't think I understand what you are arguing. It seems that you are saying that because construction jobs (and almost all others) come from the corrupt, unfair crony capitalist system, becoming a willing servant of that system, rather than an opponent, is morally correct. Once again, I see things much differently than you do.
Whether or not the system is corrupt, it's not rocket science. Construction workers are dependant upon contractors for a living. So whether or not you like the contractor he is the one who pays the bills, and if you don't do as he asks you to do at work, within reason obviously, you don't get to pay your bills, feedd your family, etc.
Glen Clark after his stint as Premier was looking for a job. It wasn't the unions that hired him. It was Jimmy Pattison. Go figure. Maybe Glen would have preferred working for a union, but he was not offered a job by any of trhem.
Glen, like many of us, had bills to pay, and a family to feed.
Most people are not necessarily doing the work they want to be doing, as their first choice.
But Glen, regardless of who he is working with, or for, is an NDP supporter. He always has been, and always will be.
Perhaps his name should be Anakin Clark.
I wouldn't be so keen on congratulating someone on associating with Jimmy Pattison. Pattison is the antithesis of socialism.
Maybe if the Labour movement had bellied up to the bar, Glen would be a union executive somewhere That's where he came from, but that did not happen. Go figure.
Amazing Comebacks Christy Clark Hopes to Emulate
Four election shockers that keep BC's New Dems up at night.
This warms my heart.
BC Conservatives add new candidates to election roster
Like you actually have any idea who offered Glen jobs after his resignation. I don't believe for a minute you are his confidante and in fact I think you are just spouting nonsense. I am sure the BCGEU or the Fed would have offered him a job if he wanted one Svend was hired by BCGEU to work in their legal/advocacy department.
I don't know what happened but I would guess Glen made his mind up for a variety of reasons. His commitment to social change reminds me of Gary Doer. Gary though is promoting rampant capitalism on the big stage not working in the wings like Glen to enhance the 0.01%.
The question for me is do you support the status quo or are you working towards changing our society for the better. Pimping advertising for Jimmy is just supporting the status quo for personal gain and is not admirable.
Bet your booties Glen could have worked anywhere he wanted after his exit. He chose to work for Pattison.
Comment when you know what you are talking about.
Follow your own advice.
Not rocket science NR. Glen had tons of support within a large sector of the labour movement when he exited. He could have had a job there if he wanted it.
To be fair, when Glen was turfed, I doubt he wanted a job anywhere for a while. And going back to unions is a lot like going back to politics. I can sympathise with him not wanting to go back there.
But dont go trying to portray him as noboby else would give him a job. And he knew what it meant going to work for Pattison, of all people.
Well he has told me otherwise Ken.
Pollsters have scary news for Christy Clark
But that’s where the other scary polling number comes in for the Liberals, this one courtesy of Ipsos Reid.
The pollster asked voters their opinion of the Liberals’ balanced budget and only 12 per cent said they believed the books are really balanced.
An astonishing 72 per cent said they think the books are cooked and the balanced budget is actually a deficit.
The bottom line: When more than half of voters want a change of government, that’s a big problem for the Liberals.
But when more than two-thirds also think the Liberals are lying about their central re-election pitch, that’s a portent of doom.
Up next for the Liberals: Taxpayer-financed TV commercials bragging about a budget many believe is fudged.
Good luck with that.
Here are two interestingly timed announcements. One day Bell resigns for health reasons and then the next day another story breaks.
The CBC reports this news.
A CBC News investigation has uncovered serious allegations against the B.C. government and provincial Jobs Minister Pat Bell related to the proposed Wood Innovation and Design Centre project in Prince George.
Bell and the government are accused of promising to influence what was supposed to be an independent bid process in favour of two developers with ties to the B.C. Liberal party.
The allegations are contained in a written complaint filed last November by two Prince George businessmen and submitted to Jane Shackell, the lawyer charged with overseeing the fairness of the bid process.
Edited to fix link mistake, Thx BB
The NDP may get a push from the environmental movement as well. I have a lot of respect for Alexandra and know many people in the riding who normally vote NDP but many of them would likely vote for her even though Claire is a decent MLA.
Dix needs to come out with real positions on the fish farm issue and the LNG issue. The former is ruining the wild salmon industry and the latter will likely kill farming and other industries in the interior.
Krop - I'm confused - your first link in that post above is to this thread.
ETA: I see it's been fixed - thanks.
Daniel Veniez: NDP Leader Adrian Dix bears no resemblance to B.C. Liberals' caricature
Wow. Let the meltdown continue!
NDP leader Adrian Dix looks to Okanagan for election win
I spent parts of today reading across various BC newspapers, media and related blogs. All I can say is wow and is the BC Liberal govt and party "dirty".
And the crossover of operatives, from Conservatives and federal Liberals stands out. Thus for anybody to think that the BC lib party is only made up of old social credit is totally wrong. Those 2 parties are corporate parties through and through and use the same tactics and strategies in their quest for power, public money and eventual paybacks.
Which is why people out here laugh out loud when the idea of an electoral coalition federally with the Liberal's is floated. Lets see Kevin Falcon is Conservative federally and Christy Clark is Liberal. No NDP'er will go anywhere near either of them or the federal party they prefer. Then of course there are Bob and Ujjal who have spent a decade attacking the NDP party. Ujjal in particular, after his epiphany on the road to Damascus, made a career out of vile insults directed at the NDP.
The latest Christy Clark scandal is now being dubbed "ethnicgate" and has reached such a fever point that Clark has called an emergency cabinet meeting for Sunday, although it is not expected she will resign. The NDP released a Liberal memo outlining how they could stay in power with a few "quick wins" amongst ethnic voters.
The response has been from the 'ethnic' communities and Liberal party members has been overwhelming.
The title of the following articles say it all: "Chinese Community Outraged At Liberal 'Ethnic Vote' Plan" and "James Plett Slams Premier, Calls BC Liberals Crooks". James Plett resigned today as Vice President of the Liberal Surrey Tynehead Riding Association. He is the fourth riding executive in four different ridings to resign in protest in just a few days.
Here is part of Plett's press release: "My resignation has nothing to do with the riding per se, nor with Dave Hayer — the best MLA in BC — nor with the riding’s acclaimed candidate, Amrik Virk, but rather with the pattern of arrogance, deceit, and downright unethical behaviour of the BC Liberal Party.
The most recent scandal — “ethnicgate” — is one of the most appalling things I have read about this party doing. Government staffers, who are required to be non-partisan, put together a document explaining how the BC Liberal government could take advantage of horribly racist crimes in order to get a jump in the ethnic vote. The document talked about leveraging an apology for the Chinese Head Tax and the Komagatu Maru incident, to name two. This document was circulated among some of the highest levels of provincial government......
What makes it so repugnant is that the government misused taxpayer dollars to put together a document explaining how the government could misuse taxpayer dollars further and to offer apologies for absolutely horrible things all for a bump in the polls. Not to actually apologize for the events, but with the end goal of winning popularity points...."
CBC News reports that a group of "ethnic" Liberal party members held a breakfast this morning in advance of the 4 PM emergency cabinet meeting to discuss the ethnicgate scandal. After the meeting, a group of them said that Clark should resign at the 4 PM meeting in order to give the Liberals some chance of winning the May provincial election.
BC has the most interesting (as in the Chinese 'ethnic' connotation of this word) politics in the country.
It sounds very much like Clark will be forced out today. At least that's what it seems like in Toronto.
What do you British Columbians think?
Clark only has a prayer of a chance.
"B.C. Liberals In Damage Control - Premier And Cabinet To Hold Emergency Cabinet Meeting Sunday"
Although the Liberal cabinet is rallying around Clark in public after their emergency 4 PM meeting on Sunday concerning ethnicgate, there is a lot of dissension in the party as the following article notes. Leaders of the Indo- and Chinese-Canadian community have also spoken out against ethnicgate. This scandal increases the chance of an NDP victory from highly likely to extremely likely.
"Party insiders told The Vancouver Sun the meeting was called on short notice to deal with internal unrest over how Clark has reacted to the scandal that erupted Wednesday. That's when the NDP leaked the memo that set out a strategy for the Liberals to use government resources to help the party woo ethnic voters in the coming election. Use of taxpayer funds for political purposes is strictly forbidden.
Vikram Bajwa, a former Surrey mayoral candidate and spokesman for the group, said the party members "strongly feel" Clark's decision to bid for the Times of India awards was an extension the Liberals' strategy to woo ethnic voters in advance of the May election. The awards, which recognize popular Bollywood films, will cost B.C. taxpayers about $11 million. They are to be held in Vancouver April 4 to 6. Bajwa said contacts in India have told him Clark wanted to bid for the Times of India event rather than the competing International Indian Film Awards - a more established event equivalent to the Academy Awards - because the latter would be held in June, after the provincial election.
"We felt as Liberal members that this is going to backlash on our Indo-Canadian community during the run-up to and after the election."
Bajwa said there are about 10 seats in Surrey and Richmond that will be decided by ethnic voters and Indo-Canadian Liberal candidates feel they could lose over the issue.
The resignation of Haakstad is not enough, Bajwa said. "We have to be very blunt that the buck doesn't stop with Kim (Haakstad). Premier Christy Clark ... is the only elected official, she's the premier who made the deal in Bombay for the Times of India Awards. She should be coming forward and show some leadership qualities and resign," he said.
Failure on Clark's part to do so would be "handing the B.C. government to the NDP on a silver platter," he said.
Bajwa added hundreds of Liberal party members in Surrey met at Sikh temples around the city Sunday to discuss the scandal, which has precipitated four high-profile departures from Surrey riding associations."
You know, there is a part of me that says so what? The Libs have been doing this since the days of Pearson. Why is everyone so surprised. My current MP is unabashedly in your face honest about this. I don't in some ways really see what the big deal about the Libs dong this. They've been doing it for years. Why is everyone so suddenly surprised and outraged?
Here's hoping she sticks around.
The phrase the "ethnic vote" is itself a repulsive racist viewpoint. Both the Chinese community and the South Asian community have been in BC for over a hundred years. Do they ever become Canadians like the descendants of people from England, Ireland, Poland, Russia and Finland etc.?
I heard Christy's latest version of an apology this morning. She said she was sorry for the "inappropriate language" in the document. No apology for the misuse of government resources. I also heard the Liberal spin doctors in full flight saying that when Dix added a date to a memo in the 1990's he got severance and look her girl Kim got nothing. ergo the Liberals are the cleaner of the two parties.
This is one thread title I can agree with. Barring any last minute miracle, Christy Clark and the BC Liberals will lose the election.
And that's a good thing. When one party has been in power for so long, voters want a change. It's also healthy for democracy to have a changeover in parties and new blood from time to time. The BC Liberals have been in power for too long.
And of course, it will help improve the federal Liberal brand in BC in the next federal election not to have the dead weight of the BC Liberals in office.
Only to the extent that people don't know that there is no connection beyond the name and a few members in common.
Are there federal Liberals hoping privately that the Ontario Liberal government loses power well before the next federal election?
[/quote] Are there federal Liberals hoping privately that the Ontario Liberal government loses power well before the next federal election?[/quote]
As I have always suspected Debator, oh sorry, you-know-who. This explains why you guys never talk about your record. You hope people don't remember, buy your latest set of lies, and elect you to POWER. It has NOTHING to do with governance.