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BC NDP Leader Adrian Dix will become Premier of BC

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NorthReport
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I'm only going to say that after the final ballot has been counted on Tuesday, May 14, 2013, and the BC NDP have been elected in a majority of seats.

I have recently been reviewing the BC 2009 election results, and many of the ridings were won by very close margins. 


mmphosis
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Yup I agree with you NR, it ain't over until it's over.  The thought of BC NDP Leader Adrian Dix becoming Premier of BC prompted me to create this thread.  I am going along with the "positive" strategy.

If BC voters bring the Liberals back again, then BC deserves what they vote for.  On the chance that BC brings the NDP into power, I feel as worried as the man looks in the photo above, given the state of affairs in this province.  Positively.


NorthReport
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I don't know how the business community can attack Adrian mmphosis but they will anyways, as his mentor is Glen Clark, and who since he left politics, has had a brilliant career rising to 2nd in command of the Pattison empire. Jimmy Pattison I understand is the wealthiest person in BC.


Michael Moriarity
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NorthReport wrote:

I don't know how the business community can attack Adrian mmphosis but they will anyways, as his mentor is Glen Clark, and who since he left politics, has had a brilliant career rising to 2nd in command of the Pattison empire. Jimmy Pattison I understand is the wealthiest person in BC.

Do you think that it is admirable for the former leader of a social democratic party to become the 2nd in command to an oligarch in this corrupt plutocracy? If so, you certainly see things differently than I do.


NorthReport
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I think it's helpful to get to know the details before jumping to conclusions, and sometimes generalizing doesn't quite cut it.

Who do you think hires construction workers?

Do you think it was the unions that offered Glen a job after his stint as Premier?


Michael Moriarity
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NorthReport wrote:

I think it's helpful to get to know the details before jumping to conclusions, and sometimes generalizing doesn't quite cut it.

Who do you think hires construction workers?

Do you think it was the unions that offered Glen a job after his stint as Premier?

I'm sorry, but I don't think I understand what you are arguing. It seems that you are saying that because construction jobs (and almost all others) come from the corrupt, unfair crony capitalist system, becoming a willing servant of that system, rather than an opponent, is morally correct. Once again, I see things much differently than you do.


NorthReport
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Whether or not the system is corrupt, it's not rocket science. Construction workers are dependant upon contractors for a living. So whether or not you like the contractor he is the one who pays the bills, and if you don't do as he asks you to do at work, within reason obviously, you don't get to pay your bills, feedd your family, etc.

Glen Clark after his stint as Premier was looking for a job. It wasn't the unions that hired him. It was Jimmy Pattison. Go figure. Maybe Glen would have preferred working for a union, but he was not offered a job by any of trhem.

Glen, like many of us, had bills to pay, and a family to feed.

Most people are not necessarily doing the work they want to be doing, as their first choice.

But Glen, regardless of who he is working with, or for, is an NDP supporter. He always has been, and always will be.


Michael Moriarity
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Perhaps his name should be Anakin Clark.

 


Boom Boom
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NorthReport wrote:

I don't know how the business community can attack Adrian mmphosis but they will anyways, as his mentor is Glen Clark, and who since he left politics, has had a brilliant career rising to 2nd in command of the Pattison empire. Jimmy Pattison I understand is the wealthiest person in BC.

I wouldn't be so keen on congratulating someone on associating with Jimmy Pattison. Pattison is the antithesis of socialism.


NorthReport
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Maybe if the Labour movement had bellied up to the bar, Glen would be a union executive somewhere That's where he came from, but that did not happen. Go figure.

 


NorthReport
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Amazing Comebacks Christy Clark Hopes to Emulate

Four election shockers that keep BC's New Dems up at night.

 

http://thetyee.ca/News/2013/02/25/Christy-Clark-Comeback/


NorthReport
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This warms my heart. Laughing

BC Conservatives add new candidates to election roster

http://thetyee.ca/Blogs/TheHook/2013/02/25/Three-New-Conservatives/


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NorthReport wrote:

Maybe if the Labour movement had bellied up to the bar, Glen would be a union executive somewhere That's where he came from, but that did not happen. Go figure.

Like you actually have any idea who offered Glen jobs after his resignation.  I don't believe for a minute you are his confidante and in fact I think you are just spouting nonsense.  I am sure the BCGEU or the Fed would have offered him a job if he wanted one  Svend was hired by BCGEU to work in their legal/advocacy department.

I don't know what happened but I would guess Glen made his mind up for a variety of reasons.  His commitment to social change reminds me of Gary Doer. Gary though  is promoting rampant capitalism on the big stage not working in the wings like Glen to enhance the 0.01%.

The question for me is do you support the status quo or are you working towards changing our society for the better.  Pimping advertising for Jimmy is just supporting the status quo for personal gain and is not admirable.


KenS
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Bet your booties Glen could have worked anywhere he wanted after his exit. He chose to work for Pattison.


NorthReport
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Comment when you know what you are talking about.

KenS wrote:

Bet your booties Glen could have worked anywhere he wanted after his exit. He chose to work for Pattison.


KenS
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Follow your own advice.


KenS
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Not rocket science NR. Glen had tons of support within a large sector of the labour movement when he exited. He could have had a job there if he wanted it.


KenS
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To be fair, when Glen was turfed, I doubt he wanted a job anywhere for a while. And going back to unions is a lot like going back to politics. I can sympathise with him not wanting to go back there.

But dont go trying to portray him as noboby else would give him a job. And he knew what it meant going to work for Pattison, of all people.


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Well he has told me otherwise Ken.

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Pollsters have scary news for Christy Clark

 

But that’s where the other scary polling number comes in for the Liberals, this one courtesy of Ipsos Reid.

The pollster asked voters their opinion of the Liberals’ balanced budget and only 12 per cent said they believed the books are really balanced.

An astonishing 72 per cent said they think the books are cooked and the balanced budget is actually a deficit.

The bottom line: When more than half of voters want a change of government, that’s a big problem for the Liberals.

But when more than two-thirds also think the Liberals are lying about their central re-election pitch, that’s a portent of doom.

Up next for the Liberals: Taxpayer-financed TV commercials bragging about a budget many believe is fudged.

Good luck with that.


http://www.theprovince.com/news/Pollsters+have+scary+news+Christy+Clark/...


kropotkin1951
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Here are two interestingly timed announcements.  One day Bell resigns for health reasons and then the next day another story breaks.

http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/Canada/BC/ID/2336370329/?page=2

The CBC reports this news.

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A CBC News investigation has uncovered serious allegations against the B.C. government and provincial Jobs Minister Pat Bell related to the proposed Wood Innovation and Design Centre project in Prince George.

Bell and the government are accused of promising to influence what was supposed to be an independent bid process in favour of two developers with ties to the B.C. Liberal party.

The allegations are contained in a written complaint filed last November by two Prince George businessmen and submitted to Jane Shackell, the lawyer charged with overseeing the fairness of the bid process.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2013/02/25/bc-pat-b...

 

Edited to fix link mistake, Thx BB


Boom Boom
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Krop - I'm confused - your first link in that post above is to this thread.

ETA: I see it's been fixed - thanks.


kropotkin1951
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The NDP may get a push from the environmental movement as well.  I have a lot of respect for Alexandra and know many people in the riding who normally vote NDP but many of them would likely vote for her even though Claire is a decent MLA.

Dix needs to come out with real positions on the fish farm issue and the LNG issue. The former is ruining the wild salmon industry and the latter will likely kill farming and other industries in the interior. 

http://thetyee.ca/Blogs/TheHook/2013/02/26/Morton_may_run/


NorthReport
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Daniel Veniez: NDP Leader Adrian Dix bears no resemblance to B.C. Liberals' caricature

 

http://www.straight.com/news/357896/daniel-veniez-ndp-leader-adrian-dix-...


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The latest Christy Clark scandal is now being dubbed "ethnicgate" and has reached such a fever point that Clark has called an emergency cabinet meeting for Sunday, although it is not expected she will resign. The NDP released a Liberal memo outlining how they could stay in power with a few "quick wins" amongst ethnic voters. 

The response has been from the 'ethnic' communities and Liberal party members has been overwhelming. 

The title of the following articles say it all: "Chinese Community Outraged At Liberal 'Ethnic Vote' Plan" and "James Plett Slams Premier, Calls BC Liberals Crooks". James Plett resigned today as Vice President of the Liberal Surrey Tynehead Riding Association. He is the fourth riding executive in four different ridings to resign in protest in just a few days. 

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/03/01/bc-ethnic-vote-plan-chinese-comm...

 

Here is part of Plett's press release: "My resignation has nothing to do with the riding per se, nor with Dave Hayer — the best MLA in BC — nor with the riding’s acclaimed candidate, Amrik Virk, but rather with the pattern of arrogance, deceit, and downright unethical behaviour of the BC Liberal Party.

The most recent scandal — “ethnicgate” — is one of the most appalling things I have read about this party doing. Government staffers, who are required to be non-partisan, put together a document explaining how the BC Liberal government could take advantage of horribly racist crimes in order to get a jump in the ethnic vote. The document talked about leveraging an apology for the Chinese Head Tax and the Komagatu Maru incident, to name two. This document was circulated among some of the highest levels of provincial government......

What makes it so repugnant is that the government misused taxpayer dollars to put together a document explaining how the government could misuse taxpayer dollars further and to offer apologies for absolutely horrible things all for a bump in the polls. Not to actually apologize for the events, but with the end goal of winning popularity points...."

http://powellriverpersuader.blogspot.ca/


Boom Boom
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Wow.  Let the meltdown continue! Laughing


NorthReport
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NDP leader Adrian Dix looks to Okanagan for election win

http://www.vernonmorningstar.com/news/194061871.html


janfromthebruce
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I spent parts of today reading across various BC newspapers, media and related blogs. All I can say is wow and is the BC Liberal govt and party "dirty".

And the crossover of operatives, from Conservatives and federal Liberals stands out. Thus for anybody to think that the BC lib party is only made up of old social credit is totally wrong. Those 2 parties are corporate parties through and through and use the same tactics and strategies in their quest for power, public money and eventual paybacks.

 


kropotkin1951
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Which is why people out here laugh out loud when the idea of an electoral coalition federally with the Liberal's is floated.  Lets see Kevin Falcon is Conservative federally and Christy Clark is Liberal.  No NDP'er will go anywhere near either of them or the federal party they prefer.  Then of course there are Bob and Ujjal who have spent a decade attacking the NDP party. Ujjal in particular, after his epiphany on the road to Damascus, made a career out of vile insults directed at the NDP.

 


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CBC News reports that a group of "ethnic" Liberal party members held a breakfast this morning in advance of the 4 PM emergency cabinet meeting to discuss the ethnicgate scandal. After the meeting, a group of them said that Clark should resign at the 4 PM meeting in order to give the Liberals some chance of winning the May provincial election. 


jerrym
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BC has the most interesting (as in the Chinese 'ethnic' connotation of this word) politics in the country.


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