Burnaby South by-election Monday February 25, 2019

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voice of the damned

Geoff wrote:

WWWTT wrote:

Of the three major Canadian political parties the NDP is the most complex and least understood. The Notley vs Singh example is probably the best opportunity to explain the huge diversity of NDP membership. 

The differences between NDP memberships make us stronger not weaker!

I guess we'll test that theory in the upcoming federal and Alberta elections.

I doubt there are many potential federal NDP voters who are gonna think "Well, Singh SAYS he's against pipelines, but when you look at the Alberta party, I dunno. Maybe he secretly agrees with Notley?" I think it's generally understood in TROC that the Alberta and federal NDPs are marching to their own separate beats.

And as far as Alberta provincially goes, the hard-right thinks Rachel Notley is secretly anti-pipeline, and I think the floating middle and the left are sufficiently tuned in to political reality to realize that her stance is likely genuine, or at least not likely to be subject to any reversals in practice. I don't think either position(ie. Notley secretly hates pipelines; Notley sincerely champions pipelines) will be much influenced by what the federal party does.

 

gadar

It is about how the opposition will try to use it against the NDP, and how much time the AB NDP in the provincial election, and federal NDP in the federal byelection and the federal general election will have to spend in trying to explain it. Notley will be asked the same question everyday and Singh will be asked to respond to it everyday. That will be AB NDP's campaign in a nutshell.

Articles like this one will keep on popping up. It is from April but nothing has changed since.

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/star-columnists/2018/04/02/confused-abou...

voice of the damned

^ As part of its thesis that the NDP is now in Crazyland, that article also mentions the alleged oddness of the supposedly anti-American BC party allying with Jay Inslee, and of Singh being criticized by Avi Lewis.  

All of which is of interest to no one but political junkies, and will play next to no role in any election. I doubt that 1 in 10 NDP voters even knows who Avi Lewis is, with about 1 in 100(outside BC anyway) knowing Islee.

Inside BC, the Islee connection might raise a few eyebrows, but since the NDP is allying with him on a left-wing environmentalist stance, it's not likely to alienate many of their voters. There is a certain irony to the party that hosted the Waffle appearing to like an American politician more than they like a Canadian politician(ie. Notley), but that sort of thing is not what motivates voters.  

 

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Washington State is more progressive than BC in many things. That is what makes some people dream of a nation on the West Coast that streches from Northern Oregon to Alaska. Me I would prefer a Vancouver Island nation and would be happy to ally with Washington state on environmental issues since they are far ahead of us after all those years of BC Liberals and their extraction industry cronyism.

 

gadar

The idea of Cascadia sounds pretty good except the US love for guns. 

The nation of Vancouver Island would be amazing. But it needs to happen soon as some areas are being invaded by retired Albertans and their politics is starting to have an impact. Parksville is basically becoming Alberta West.

WWWTT

Geoff wrote:

WWWTT wrote:

Of the three major Canadian political parties the NDP is the most complex and least understood. The Notley vs Singh example is probably the best opportunity to explain the huge diversity of NDP membership. 

The differences between NDP memberships make us stronger not weaker!

I guess we'll test that theory in the upcoming federal and Alberta elections.

Sorry not a theory, it's a fact!

Here's another fact, there's a huge slab of redneck yahoo shit for brains stupid voters. Well proven!

WWWTT

voice of the damned wrote:

I doubt there are many potential federal NDP voters who are gonna think "Well, Singh SAYS he's against pipelines, but when you look at the Alberta party, I dunno. Maybe he secretly agrees with Notley?" I think it's generally understood in TROC that the Alberta and federal NDPs are marching to their own separate beats.

And as far as Alberta provincially goes, the hard-right thinks Rachel Notley is secretly anti-pipeline, and I think the floating middle and the left are sufficiently tuned in to political reality to realize that her stance is likely genuine, or at least not likely to be subject to any reversals in practice. I don't think either position(ie. Notley secretly hates pipelines; Notley sincerely champions pipelines) will be much influenced by what the federal party does.

Ya that's real complicated. Way beyond a "road sign shooting pick up driving beer chugging" red neck comprehesion.

I think Singh will do fine

voice of the damned

^ I agree it's beyond the comprehension of your "'road sign shooting pick up driving beer chugging' red neck". And since we're apparently doing stereotypes now, I don't think it's gonna be of much interest to the Foucault-reading, purple-haired barista living in the Annex either. The fact is, only political junkies really care about the kind of issues raised by that Star columnist. 

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

gadar wrote:

The idea of Cascadia sounds pretty good except the US love for guns.

There is good in it, but the source novel for the Cascadia idea "Ecotopia" by Ernest Callenbach, creates a society that is, in many respects, deeply problematic from a progressive standpoint:  It's rigidly closed borders go against the immigrant solidarity position which is now considered a standard "Left" position, and it was also a society in which people of color were almost entirely absent, other than the indigenous, who were in a not-entirely liberated position in Ecotopian society.  Anything based on the original "Cascadia" model would have to come up with an entirely different approach to race, culture, and immigration.

NorthReport

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jerrym

NorthReport wrote:

Too bad the poor have a few more years of waiting to get any assistance whereas the rich and powerful get their needs met immediately. Strange dat, eh!

https://globalnews.ca/news/4399941/federal-government-plan-reduce-poverty-canada/

I think it will take the Liberals the same amount of time to implement their proposed reduction in the poverty rate as it took them to reduce their proposed reduction in carbon dioxide emissions following the Kyoto Protocol. 

Jatt47 Jatt47's picture

Lel.

NorthReport
bekayne

Supporting thug regimes to own the Libs

gadar

Strong leaders are liked by a lot of people. The decision makers, who dont get bogged down by stuff like discussion, debate, human rights etc. Doug, Trump, Harper, Duterte, MBS and other like them. World remembers them. Nobody ever remembers wishy washy leaders.

gadar

Cons release their immigration plan. Which is 'fair, orderly and compassionate' and its going to be the bestest and the most glorious plan ever and it will make Canada great again. They may tell you what the plan is in future, but trust them it is going to better than anything anybody has ever seen.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservative-party-immigration-1.4794296

 

I hope Singh has a better plan.

Go Singh Go NDP

voice of the damned

Ken Burch wrote:

gadar wrote:

The idea of Cascadia sounds pretty good except the US love for guns.

There is good in it, but the source novel for the Cascadia idea "Ecotopia" by Ernest Callenbach, creates a society that is, in many respects, deeply problematic from a progressive standpoint:  It's rigidly closed borders go against the immigrant solidarity position which is now considered a standard "Left" position, and it was also a society in which people of color were almost entirely absent, other than the indigenous, who were in a not-entirely liberated position in Ecotopian society.  Anything based on the original "Cascadia" model would have to come up with an entirely different approach to race, culture, and immigration.

There was a strong neo-malthusian streak, including anti-immigration policies, in the environmental movement for a while. For the most part, I think that had mostly disappeared by the mid-90s, either because environmentalists think they need to make common cause with the pro-immigration left, or less cynically because the numbers just don't justify that kind of position.

gadar

They will probably take some input from a Canadian Senior named Diane Blain, a member of  Storm Alliance, a group very concerned about Canada's future as we all are. And who the PM was very rude to when she was asking some very valid questions.

gadar

voice of the damned wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

gadar wrote:

The idea of Cascadia sounds pretty good except the US love for guns.

There is good in it, but the source novel for the Cascadia idea "Ecotopia" by Ernest Callenbach, creates a society that is, in many respects, deeply problematic from a progressive standpoint:  It's rigidly closed borders go against the immigrant solidarity position which is now considered a standard "Left" position, and it was also a society in which people of color were almost entirely absent, other than the indigenous, who were in a not-entirely liberated position in Ecotopian society.  Anything based on the original "Cascadia" model would have to come up with an entirely different approach to race, culture, and immigration.

There was a strong neo-malthusian streak, including anti-immigration policies, in the environmental movement for a while. For the most part, I think that had mostly disappeared by the mid-90s, either because environmentalists think they need to make common cause with the pro-immigration left, or less cynically because the numbers just don't justify that kind of position.

Thanks to both Ken and VOD for providing some great info. I had just a vague idea about Cascadia. All I knew that it was a proposed coutry on the west coast. Thank you very much for sharing more information.

NorthReport

So now if you ask Canada's Oil King PM a question you are a racist!

voice of the damned

gadar wrote:

They will probably take some input from a Canadian Senior named Diane Blain, a member of  Storm Alliance, a group very concerned about Canada's future as we all are. And who the PM was very rude to when she was asking some very valid questions.

Okay, so when you say that you hope Singh and the NDP have a better immigration plan than the Conservatives, your idea of a "better plan" is one inspired by a breakway group from the Soldiers Of Odin?

Sorry to disappoint, but I don't think that's the sort of thing you're gonna get from the NDP.

gadar

NorthReport wrote:

So now if you ask Canada's Oil King PM a question you are a racist!

I didnt use the word racist, or race when I posted about the Honourable member of the Storm Alliance. And I did say that Lil Oil King Fancy Socks Pretty Hair Boy Justin was rude to her. Where did you get the idea that she is racist. She just cares about the direction the country is headed. People just throw the word 'racist' around too much.

gadar

voice of the damned wrote:

Okay, so when you say that you hope Singh and the NDP have a better immigration plan than the Conservatives, your idea of a "better plan" is one inspired by a breakway group from the Soldiers Of Odin?

Sorry to disappoint, but I don't think that's the sort of thing you're gonna get from the NDP.

Why is taking inspiration from Storm Alliance wrong? Some parties may agree with them.

I do not expect NDP to be inspired by concerned citizen groups like Storm Alliance (i still didnt say racist), I am sure they will be inspired by respect for all, that is why I expect their plan to be better. 

voice of the damned

NorthReport wrote:

So now if you ask Canada's Oil King PM a question you are a racist!

Well, there's arguably nothing wrong with just saying that the government needs to compensate Quebec for the money spent on absorbing an influx of immigrants. However, when the woman in question uses phrases like "your illegal immigrants", and one that apparently translates as "old-stock Quebeckers", well, you gotta think that might have been a little bit more than just an innocent request for reimbursement.

https://tinyurl.com/yd5zen2x

By the way, why does the one guy keep saying "We are not in Mohawk territory", when no one else seems to be mentioning that issue?

 

 

gadar

voice of the damned wrote:

However, when the woman in question uses phrases like "your illegal immigrants", and one that apparently translates as "old-stock Quebeckers", well, you gotta think that might have been a little bit more than just an innocent request for reimbursement.

https://tinyurl.com/yd5zen2x

By the way, why does the one guy keep saying "We are not in Mohawk territory", when no one else seems to be mentioning that issue?

When Harper used the term "old stock Canadians" he was not dog whistling to the bigots at all. That was one of the biggest misconcetions of the last campaign. See he was just paying his due respect to the people who really built the nation. Similarily when Diane Blain uses term "Old stock Quebecers" she is just honouring the people who have built Quebec. No No there is no bigotry involved, whe is just not being politically correct you know.

I didnt get the why the guy was yelling about Mohawk Territory either, maybe he came predetermined to bring up his non political correctness about the indigenous people but he wasnt getting a chance..

gadar

Just Old Stock Canadian telling how it is, no racism at all?

https://globalnews.ca/news/4400960/racial-tirade-edmonton-parking-dispute/

gadar

And she doesn't think what she said was wrong.And vast majority of the comments in the Global story are in agreement with her. And the takeaway from the comment section is that its Trudeau's fault that she is behaving in that manner. Maybe Bernier and the Honourable Member of the Storm Alliance are, as they say, the silent majority.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/woman-who-hurled-racist-insults-at-edmonto...

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

gadar wrote:

voice of the damned wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

gadar wrote:

The idea of Cascadia sounds pretty good except the US love for guns.

There is good in it, but the source novel for the Cascadia idea "Ecotopia" by Ernest Callenbach, creates a society that is, in many respects, deeply problematic from a progressive standpoint:  It's rigidly closed borders go against the immigrant solidarity position which is now considered a standard "Left" position, and it was also a society in which people of color were almost entirely absent, other than the indigenous, who were in a not-entirely liberated position in Ecotopian society.  Anything based on the original "Cascadia" model would have to come up with an entirely different approach to race, culture, and immigration.

There was a strong neo-malthusian streak, including anti-immigration policies, in the environmental movement for a while. For the most part, I think that had mostly disappeared by the mid-90s, either because environmentalists think they need to make common cause with the pro-immigration left, or less cynically because the numbers just don't justify that kind of position.

Thanks to both Ken and VOD for providing some great info. I had just a vague idea about Cascadia. All I knew that it was a proposed coutry on the west coast. Thank you very much for sharing more information.

People have actually created a flag and several possible maps of the place:  http://freecascadia.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/FacebookGroupBanner.jpg
http://cascadia-institute.org/images/Cascadia-Map-big.png

 

NorthReport

Alberta's only NDP MP says Trans Mountain pipeline 'not the priority issue' with her voters

https://edmontonjournal.com/opinion/columnists/graham-thomson-albertas-o...

gadar

What happened to Harjit Sajjan, did he resign. Pretty Hair boy cant even keep his own cabinet together, how does one expect him to govern the couuntry.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

So...we're discussing a DIFFERENT riding now?

bekayne

Ken Burch wrote:

So...we're discussing a DIFFERENT riding now?

This thread has gone way off topic.

bekayne

gadar wrote:

What happened to Harjit Sajjan, did he resign. Pretty Hair boy cant even keep his own cabinet together, how does one expect him to govern the couuntry.

Trudeau is afraid of calling a byelection for Vancouver South because it would make the sitting MP for Vancouver South very mad. And you could say that about 300 other ridings as well. 

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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People have actually created a flag and several possible maps of the place

That's like hoping to someday buy a house, then running out to Home Depot to purchase the doorknobs.

gadar

bekayne wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

So...we're discussing a DIFFERENT riding now?

This thread has gone way off topic.

How does one stay on topic when the topic keeps on changing.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

I will note that I never mentioned Cascadia by name. Personally I would like to see either the Republic of Vancouver Island and Haida Qwaii or a Province on the Coast.  VI  by itself has a larger population than 6 of the 13 provinces and territories and a culture that is unique.

 

NorthReport

A by-election has to be announced within 6 months of an MP resigning his/her seat.

NorthReport

Maybe this is the reason for the fear to call the by-election.

As B.C. wildfires rage, Trudeau cabinet adviser calls Paris Agreement climate targets "aspirational" and "illusory"

https://www.straight.com/news/1119826/bc-wildfires-rage-trudeau-cabinet-...

voice of the damned

NorthReport wrote:

Alberta's only NDP MP says Trans Mountain pipeline 'not the priority issue' with her voters

https://edmontonjournal.com/opinion/columnists/graham-thomson-albertas-o...

Maybe true, but then, Edmonton Strathcona, which includes the university and attendant student housing, the Old Strathcona arts district(overlaps a lot with the student housing), and the so-called People's Republic Of Riverdale, is quite possibly the most left-leaning federal riding in the province.

(It also contains a lot of more conservative middle and working-class neighbourhoods, including the one I grew up in, where there is likely more support for pipelines, though in my experience the people who live in those areas tend not to be the kinds who call up their MP to sound off about a given issue.)

brookmere

NorthReport wrote:

Maybe this is the reason for the fear to call the by-election.

The by-election for Burnaby South has not been called because Kennedy Stewart is still the MP. The writ cannot be issued until the seat is vacant. I think his resignation takes effect September 15. As far as I know there are two vacant seats in the country, Mulcair has already resigned and there is a seat in Eastern Ontario where the Conservative MP passed away.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

bekayne wrote:

gadar wrote:

What happened to Harjit Sajjan, did he resign. Pretty Hair boy cant even keep his own cabinet together, how does one expect him to govern the couuntry.

Trudeau is afraid of calling a byelection for Vancouver South because it would make the sitting MP for Vancouver South very mad. And you could say that about 300 other ridings as well. 

Reminds me of a line from a Steven Wright comedy routine(you have to be familiar with his extremely slow comic delivery:   "I sold my home last week(extended pause) my landlord was pissed".

Coldwell Coldwell's picture

brookmere wrote:

The by-election for Burnaby South has not been called because Kennedy Stewart is still the MP. The writ cannot be issued until the seat is vacant. I think his resignation takes effect September 15. As far as I know there are two vacant seats in the country, Mulcair has already resigned and there is a seat in Eastern Ontario where the Conservative MP passed away.

Precisely.  The only one standing in the way of a by-election call is the sitting MP, Kennedy Stewart. Can't blame Justin for the delay, at least not until the seat is vacated. The title of this thread is quite misleading. 

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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Precisely.  The only one standing in the way of a by-election call is the sitting MP, Kennedy Stewart. Can't blame Justin for the delay, at least not until the seat is vacated. The title of this thread is quite misleading.

Have no fear!  NorthReport LOVES changing thread titles.  And as an honest babbler, I'm CERTAIN he'll be happy to change the title of this thread to "Why Won't Some NDP Asshole Get Out Of The Way???"

Over to you, NorthReport.

bekayne

Ken Burch wrote:

 

Reminds me of a line from a Steven Wright comedy routine(you have to be familiar with his extremely slow comic delivery:   "I sold my home last week(extended pause) my landlord was pissed".

We're closed.

I thought your sign said "Open 24 hours"?

(pause)

Not in a row!

NorthReport

dp

NorthReport
robbie_dee

I wonder if Maxime Bernier's new political party will find a candidate to run in Burnaby?

Coldwell Coldwell's picture

robbie_dee wrote:

I wonder if Maxime Bernier's new political party will find a candidate to run in Burnaby?

Am also curious to know if the Communist Party will field a candidate.  Such a candidate might attract the votes of more than a few disaffected New Democrats unhappy with the Party's damp squib centrism. If their votes contributed to Singh's defeat and hastened his departure as leader, so much the better.  That would give the Party a chance to tack left under a new leader in time for next year's election. 

progressive17 progressive17's picture

bekayne wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

 

Reminds me of a line from a Steven Wright comedy routine(you have to be familiar with his extremely slow comic delivery:   "I sold my home last week(extended pause) my landlord was pissed".

We're closed.

I thought your sign said "Open 24 hours"?

(pause)

Not in a row!

Or the Bonzo Dog punchline of "It's just the name of the shop!"

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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Am also curious to know if the Communist Party will field a candidate.  Such a candidate might attract the votes of more than a few disaffected New Democrats unhappy with the Party's damp squib centrism.

Then they could beat their previous record of "less than a few".

 

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