Bye, bye Stephen Harper, you are finally done!

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NorthReport
Bye, bye Stephen Harper, you are finally done!

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NorthReport

The problem is people like Jason Kenney are waiting in the wings to take over and continue this Liberal-Conservative drive to destroy working families, Canada's middle class, the people who built this country.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mike-duffy-allegations-fire-up-ndp-liber...

NorthReport

Duffy testimony shows Harper 'directly' implicated in Senate scandal: Mulcair

http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/duffy-testimony-shows-harper-directly-implicat...

NorthReport

The Conservative convention begins on Halloween. We may well see the first knives coming out for Harper there.

NorthReport

PMO threatened Mike Duffy with illegal procedures.

https://plus.google.com/108814740443144160153/posts/A79mngkXCVZ

6079_Smith_W

I wouldn't book the hall for the celebration, or buy the rye bread and kubasa just yet.

 

 

NorthReport

Harper will never ever recover from this.

The bigger problem is that even though Harper may be gone, so what?

These Liberals and Conservatives might as well be in the same party, as they are both just a bunch of rich elitists playing musical chairs. Unless these Liberals and Conservatives are routed at the next federal election, basically nothing of consequence is going to change.

At least she's a little smarter than LeBreton who is just an awful disgrace to Canadian politcs.

Senator who oversaw Duffy audit resigns from group investigating expenses

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/senator-who-oversaw-duffy-a...

janfromthebruce

Wells’s Rules, annotated

There have been questions about my Rules of Politics around here in the last few days. Okay, not a lot of questions, but still. Here is the full list of rules. About a year after I came up with the original two, I added two more, which was probably a mistake. Sometimes I come up with candidates for additions to the list, and here today I will reveal one I considered adding, before deciding against it. But I think it’s time to show a little discipline, so the canonical list will stop at four. Four shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be four. Ready?

1: For any given situation, Canadian politics will tend toward the least exciting possible outcome.

2: If everyone in Ottawa knows something, it’s not true.

3. The candidate in the best mood wins.

4. The guy who auditions for the role of opposition leader will get the job.

A few notes:

Obviously these rules divide into two sets of two. 3 and 4 give advice to candidates and political strategists; 1 and 2 are for the rest of us, especially Ottawa journalists.

Food for thought and relates to your topic header - best not count your chickens before they are hatched and what everyone thinks will happen.

Oh, and number 1 just got blown out of the water.

 

gadar

I have said it before and am saying it again.

Stephen Harper is not going anywhere. If the opposition does not find a way to co-operate he will win another majority in 2015. From the looks of it both the opposition parties think that they can defeat Harper on their own and if that does not change nothing that Harper did or will do (short of resigning) can change the outcome of the next election.

NorthReport

The above comment would lead to the worst scenario for Canadians, who want these right-wing governments gone.

Is it Cartman who questions anyone who challenges his authority! Laughing

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Mulcair says ‘control freak’ Harper must have been part of Duffy affair

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/mulcair-says-control-freak-...

NorthReport

Harper made an absolute fool of Trudeau in QP today over Trudeau's comments that Trudeau wanted to bring Mac Harb back into the Senate.

I'm sure in a one-on-one Justin is a probably a very pleasant fella. It's just that he is not really ready for prime time.

NorthReport

Harper counters Duffy allegations in question period Mike Duffy Senate scandal 'directly implicates' PM, Mulcair says

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/harper-counters-duffy-allegations-in-que...

NorthReport

And people like gadar want the NDP to ally with sleaze like this.

No thanks.

Ex-Senate staffer ordered clothes, paid cable bill for boss

Former assistant to Colin Kenny quit after spending half her time on senator's personal tasks

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ex-senate-staffer-ordered-clothes-paid-c...

 

 

gadar

If my comments could lead to bringing governments down Harper would have gone in a day. I only wish that I had such powers. I think it is the canadians who elected him last time and it is going to be the canadians who will elect him again. My comment is just a comment like any other on this board. Just like the one that says "bye, bye stephen harper". If canadians wanted to see right wing govts gone they wouldnt have just elected BC Liberals or Nova Scotia liberals. Sometimes what we wish others want and what they really want can be different.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

NR This thread reminds me of one you opened last spring.  You can't cake walk into government and you can be sure that the Tories will use every dirty trick they have already used plus a few new ones we haven't seen yet.

http://rabble.ca/babble/alberta-and-british-columbia/premier-christy-cla...

gadar

NDP is already allying with sleaze (in your words) in Ontario. And they have allied with sleaze in the past. And my original comment about Harper winning again is exactly because the sentiment that NDP thinks Liberals are sleaze and Liberals think NDP is sleaze. I think they are all sleaze so they can easly co operate with each other.

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

Well, gadar, if the Tories win again, it will be because Libs voted for Libs. The Libs run left, and govern right. There is no significant difference in the outcomes of LPC government economic policy on the lives of oridnary Canadians. If the Tories win, so be it. I will NEVER vote Liberal, and I am admantly, and unreservedly opposed to cooperating with the Liberals on anything. If they want to start Harper, they can vote NDP. Its simple, really.

NorthReport

This is the second of two very bad days in a row for Harper. As a matter of fact his cage has been rattled to the bone. So much that he was acrtually slurring his words, and mixes up names during his acting performance today in QP. Everyone knows Harper is lying, and if it wasn't obvious before, it was sure on full dispaly today.

And of course Harper is going to say Duffy is lying - what else could Harper have said without implicating himself - tell us something we don't know.

Stephen Harper says Mike Duffy is lying about being forced into cash for repayment scheme

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/10/23/i-obviously-would-have-never-app...

 

NorthReport

Charlie Smith of course nails it!

Stephen Harper goes through people like some of us go through potato chips

After nearly eight years at the helm of the Canadian government, it's looking like the beginning of the end for Stephen Harper.

He has gone through so many communications directors, chiefs of staff, and political friends that one wonders if anyone can stomach working with him.

Harper still has the support of Finance Minister Jim Flaherty, Employment and Social Development Minister Jason Kenney, and Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird—three of his most reliable ministers. And Industry Minister James Moore puts on a good show of being a Harper loyalist.

But compare that to the list of people who've either abandoned Harper over the years or whom Harper has tossed overboard.

The list begins with Jim Hawkes, a former Progressive Conservative MP for Calgary West.

 

Hawkes hired Harper as an aide, but then Harper ran against him twice, finally getting elected to Parliament in 1993.

Harper's next boss was Preston Manning, then-leader of the Reform Party of Canada. Harper chose not to seek reelection in 1997 because he was dissatisfied with the way things were going.

In the 2010 book Harperland: The Politics of Control, Lawrence Martin reported that Harper was furnishing information about Manning to his friend Tom Flanagan for his book, Waiting for the Wave

"Little did Manning know that Harper, who had worked in his office, was a quiet collaborator, feeding Flanagan everything he could about his leader," Martin reported.

According to Harperland, Flanagan even called Harper a "silent co-author", furnishing documents about his boss.

Flanagan became Harper's chief of staff but they later had a falling out. It came after the Prime Minister's Office tried to get Flanagan's book about Harper killed.

Harper has gone through other chiefs of staff: Phil Murphy, Ian Brodie, and Nigel Wright. The current chief of staff, Ray Novak, used to live in a one-bedroom apartment on top of Harper's garage when Harper was Leader of the Opposition.

There has been even more rapid turnover in his communications directors: William Stairs, Sandra Buckler, Kory Teneycke, John Williamson, Dimitri Soudas, Angelo Persichilli, and Andrew MacDougall all left his office. You're free to make bets on how long Jason MacDonald will last.

Former CTV broadcasters Mike Duffy and Pamela Wallin were appointed as Conservative senators to boost Conservative fundraising prospects and add a little glamour to the brand. Now, they're in the Harper deep freeze.

Former Conservative MP Helena Guergis sued Harper. Independent MP Brent Rathgeber walked out of caucus, fed up with the Prime Minister's Office's authoritarian governing style.

The pattern is pretty clear: Harper doesn't appear to be a very pleasant boss, judging from how often people resign from his office. And in the eyes of some, including Duffy, he's not trustworthy. 

The prime minister has a way of bringing forward fresh faces from time to time, such as former ambassador to Afghanistan Chris Alexander, to boost Conservative prospects. Alexander is the new minister of citizenship and immigration.

Calgary Centre MP Michelle Rempel, Minister of Western Economic Diversification, is also being groomed for advancement in the Harper government. Labour Minister Kellie Leitch is another new cabinet recruit on the ascendancy.

But if history offers any lessons, Harper could conceivably turn on any of them just as he has on other old friends and colleagues.

The only remaining question is how long Kenney, Flaherty, and Baird will remain loyal, given the political disintegration of the Conservatives taking place all around them.

 

http://www.straight.com/news/516376/stephen-harper-goes-through-people-s...

gadar

Arthur Cramer wrote:

Well, gadar, if the Tories win again, it will be because Libs voted for Libs. The Libs run left, and govern right. There is no significant difference in the outcomes of LPC government economic policy on the lives of oridnary Canadians. If the Tories win, so be it. I will NEVER vote Liberal, and I am admantly, and unreservedly opposed to cooperating with the Liberals on anything. If they want to start Harper, they can vote NDP. Its simple, really.

I respect your sentiment. And i am sure this sentiment is shared by many. I am not saying that it is wrong or right. I am just saying that because of this prevailing sentiment among the leadership,memebers and supporters of the opposition parties Harper will win again. That outcome is acceptable to you and many others over coopearing with the Liberals. You would like the Libs to vote for your party, while you would never consider voting for their party. Then why would they vote for your party. It called accomodation, its a 2 way street. Since i dont see that accomodation happening, therefore Harper majority 2015 here we come. And lets celebrated that since it atleast kept the Liberals out of power.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Harper loses if enough of his base thinks he's a crook and decides to stay at home.  The NDP needs to defeat the Liberals while Harper implodes. It is a tall order but potentially doable.

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

Gadar, thanks for the reply. I wish I felt differently, but I can`t. The Libs through Chretine and Martin really hurt oridnary Canadians in a way that has had a lasting and detrimental effect, especially as by trumpeting the success and responsiblity of balancing budgets, they have set  up a meme that leaves people open to the neo-con meme that the deficit is the enemy of all. You may be right; Harper may simply carry on. If he does, that`s a shame. I get your poinit, but I just cannot ever imagine me voting Lib. I`d stay at home if there was no other choice. Silly or not, it`s how I feel.

NorthReport

Don't you just love the timing of what the RCMP are saying today about Trudeau'a big buddy, Mac Harb.

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

I think this severe damage to Harper's reputation makes it much more likely that he will retire, and let someone else lead the CPC in the next election.

Aristotleded24

kropotkin1951 wrote:
Harper loses if enough of his base thinks he's a crook and decides to stay at home.  The NDP needs to defeat the Liberals while Harper implodes. It is a tall order but potentially doable.

Indeed, it's not outside the realm of possibilty that the Conservatives finish in third place in the next federal election.

I've said it before, but Harper's re-election hinges on whether or not the NDP can find its footing in Western Canada. Given that Harper was voted in on a promise to clean up Ottawa and there is great resentment of the Senate west of Kenora, I think the NDP has great chances.

NorthReport

Absolutely right-on the money MM.

Harper's done like dinner.

Every Canadian with half a brain knows and realizes he is lying through his teeth. His stuttering, shaky responses to Mulcair in QP today says it all. 

Expect to see the beginnings of the end of Harper's career next week at the Conservativce Convention  - by-the-way is this in Calgary?

Michael Moriarity wrote:

I think this severe damage to Harper's reputation makes it much more likely that he will retire, and let someone else lead the CPC in the next election.

NorthReport

The Cons of course today are mounting a full court press on all media to try and defend the indefensible.

My favourite two lines from callers on those stupid call-in shows:

"I'm not a Conservative but I support Stephen Harper".

and

I'm not a Liberal but I support Junior Trudeau"

Canadians may be a bit slow at times but most of them are not completely stupid.

 

NorthReport

LeBreton needs to step down, for starters, as it has beeni under her watch that the Senate is now in complete disgrace and considered an unmitigated farce by the vast majority of Canadians.

How incompetent does one have to be  before you clean house!

Pamela Wallin attacks fellow senators in emotional speech

Embattled senator says of Senate, 'You will never break my spirit'

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/pamela-wallin-attacks-fellow-senators-in...

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

NorthReport wrote:

The Cons of course today are mounting a full court press on all media to try and defend the indefensible.

My favourite two lines from callers on those stupid call-in shows:

"I'm not a Conservative but I support Stephen Harper".

and

I'm not a Liberal but I support Junior Trudeau"

Canadians may be a bit slow at times but most of them are not completely stupid.

 

You see the same thing on Huffington Post. Everyone sayng that they are going to vote for Trudeau voted NDP, but because of Tom are going to vote Liberal now. There are "no" Liberals posting on Huffington Post either, just independants, conservatives and New Democrats. Its a farce.

JKR

NorthReport wrote:

These Liberals and Conservatives might as well be in the same party, as they are both just a bunch of rich elitists playing musical chairs. Unless these Liberals and Conservatives are routed at the next federal election, basically nothing of consequence is going to change.

I think a large majority of Canadians see the Conservatives and Liberals as being vastly different from each other. Personally I think the Conservatives and Liberals are similar to each other but I do think there are some important differences between the Conservatives and Liberals. It seems to me that the Liberals are partially supportive of beneficial policies like national day care and the Kelowna Accord while the Conservatives are adamently opposed to these kinds of good policies. That being said, I think the NDP is by far the best party we can realistically hope to govern Canada. I have no doubt that a NDP government would establish the best policies of the 3 major parties. I feel frustrated that most Canadians don't agree with my assesment of the relative worthiness of the 3 majour parties. I think Canada desparately needs the kind of government only the NDP seems capable of offering, the kind of government that could give us a more equitable society like they currently have in more progressive places like Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Norway, the Netherlands, and Finland. So I would like to see progressives in Canada primarily support the NDP but I also think it would be best if progressives also support people from all the parties when they support progressive policies. I think the NDP should cooperate with the Liberals, BQ, and Greens in areas where the NDP can find common ground. This Senate scandal is one area where the opposition parties should cooperate with each other and oppose the Conservatives' hateful win at all costs politics that the Harper era has brought to Canada during the last 7 years.

NorthReport

That's the ole Mulroney approach - if you repeat something often enough people will start to believe it.

You can repeat that nonsense as oftern as you want but it is still claptrap.

Pierre Elliot Triudeau would be turning over in his grave if he saw what was going on in Canada today.

We all know that Justin does not have the leadership skills required to be PM.

The NDP is right on the money and in tune with the vast majority of Canadians who are now saying Abolish the fuckin' Snate and put these scumbag Liberal and Conservative party bagmen out to pasture where they belong. What a disgusting display from both these 2 right-wing parties who both consistently assume that "THEY ARE ENTITLED TO THEIR ENTITLEMENTS:.

Mulcair will probably be facing Jason Kenney in the next election, so let's start working now on cutting this Con down to size.

"Foreign Workers" issue anyone!!!

 

NorthReport

Prime Minister, you can run, but you can't hide any more. 

Come clean and confess.

it would be good, both for your base, and for your very own soul!

On cheque to Mike Duffy, the buck stops at the Prime Minister

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/commentary/on-cheque-to-mike-duffy-the-bu...

JKR

NorthReport wrote:
That's the ole Mulroney approach - if you repeat something often enough people will start to believe it.

You can repeat that nonsense as oftern as you want but it is still claptrap.

Is that why you repeat the same talking points over and over and over again?

NorthReport

Come on Harper, it's over.

It was a good run while it lasted, but your political goose is cooked and being the connsumate astute politican that you are, and reviwing the tapes of your performance in the House today, in your heart of heats, you know it. I know this in not the way you wanted to go out of politics,  but what the heck, Shell Oil or Petronis will have plum direcrtorships for you available when you want them.

mark_alfred

Harper's going to deny and he's going to vilify Duffy, Wallin, and Brazeau.  The latter aim won't be too difficult, but the former aim may prove to be a tough sell.

NorthReport

Senate scandal: Pamela Wallin says she was ordered to resign by Harper aideSen.

Pamela Wallin told Senate colleagues debating her possible suspension Wednesday that she was ordered to resign from the Conservative caucus by Ray Novak, an aide to Prime Minister Stephen Harper

 http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2013/10/23/senate_scandal_pamela_wall...

bagkitty bagkitty's picture

NorthReport wrote:

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Calgary Centre MP Michelle Rempel, Minister of Western Economic Diversification

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That little gem from the article NR quoted leaves me asking, are there no fucking copy editors left in this world? Joan Crockatt (may she be like an onion, with her head in the ground) is the MP for Calgary Centre (woe is us). Michele Rempel is the MP for Calgary Centre North. Its like fucking mixing up Toronto Centre and Toronto Danforth.

A pox on shoddy journalists.

Unionist

bagkitty wrote:
Joan Crockatt (may she be like an onion, with her head in the ground) ...

OMG are you part of the tribe???

 

bagkitty bagkitty's picture

LMAO, hell no Unionist, I'm a Dogan, but I hang around with a lot of Poles and they use the same expression - and I like the way it sounds.

NorthReport

Five key developments in the Senate expenses scandal

 

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/five-key-developments-in-th...

NorthReport

Keep it up Prime Minister. Hw much did our dollar drop today?

Canadian prime minister under pressure over expenses scandal

Canada's main opposition leader accused Prime Minister Stephen Harper on Wednesday of creating a "culture of corruption" as Harper faced an expenses scandal that looked to be spiraling into the biggest crisis of his seven years in office.

Harper's Conservatives have been under pressure since May, when it emerged that his chief of staff had privately given a check for C$90,000 ($86,540) to help a senator repay expenses that the government said were improperly claimed.

Nigel Wright, the chief of staff, resigned a few days later. Harper, who came to power in February 2006 promising to boost accountability in government, says he knew nothing of the check that Wright gave to Senator Mike Duffy.

But Duffy told the Senate late on Tuesday that when Harper ordered him in late February to pay back the money, Wright had been in the room too, and he said that two lawyers from Harper's office had helped arrange the check.

"We know that Stephen Harper hasn't told the truth. He has to start telling the truth," said Thomas Mulcair, leader of the official opposition New Democratic Party. "This is a profound scandal that directly implicates Stephen Harper ... (he) has created a culture of corruption."


http://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/idCABRE99M11920131023


NorthReport

Darn tootin’, the Duffy affair is a perfect absurdity and a roaring spectacle

http://www2.macleans.ca/2013/10/23/the-sketch-darn-tootin-the-duffy-affa...

NorthReport

The Longer I'm Prime Minister by Paul Wells: Review

The Harper endgame is the replacement of the onetime Liberal culture with a conservative one — that can’t be dismantled

http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/books/2013/10/23/the_longer_im_prim...

NorthReport

Harper’s presidential guard finally ticked off one too many loyal Tories

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2013/10/23/kelly-mcparland-harpers-p...

NorthReport
NorthReport

The NDP approach is long-term - give it time. As long as Mulcair peaks during the next federal election, and he probably will, that's fine with me.

The NDP did everything right. Why isn’t it working?

http://www.ipolitics.ca/2013/10/22/waving-orange/

NorthReport

Remember that the Cons have majorities in both the House and the Senate, so of course Harper will get his way and crush Duffy & Co. But the damage has been done, and Harper's days are numbered. 

NorthReport
Lens Solution

Unfortunately, the last 3 elections have demonstrated that Harper is very smart and very good at persuading his base to keep voting for him.  I think they will stick with him.  I don't think they are likely to vote for Trudeau or Mulcair.  Harper knows that.  They believe whatever they tell him and keep coming out to support him.

Harper is one of the smartest Prime Ministers I have seen during my nearly 40 years in this country.  I think he is still the favourite to win the next election.  As long as the Conservative base and enough swing voters believe he is 'good on the economy' and a strong leader, he's in again.

The only way Harper will be done is if Duffy or someone else really DOES have evidence personally linking Harper to the scandal or other corruption.

NorthReport

He's got trhat right but.........

https://twitter.com/nspector4

NorthReport

The 41st Parliament and the future of Canadian politics

So what kind of democracy do we want?

If the tenacious Elizabeth May has erred at all in her cause, it is in the full name of her summer tour—”Save Democracy From Politics.” What she presumably means is something more like, “Save Democracy From The Imbalances Of Power That Currently Impair Our Version Of Democracy’s Effectiveness And Relevance.” But it is surely easier (and cuter, in this case) to say “politics.” It is easier to blame that which we are a taught to regard as a corrupting force, the dirty and tawdry game that sullies the pure ideal of democracy.

But it is politics that makes and sustains us.

“Politics arises from accepting the fact of the simultaneous existence of different groups, hence different interests and different traditions, within a territorial unit under a common rule,” Bernard Crick wrote. “The establishing of political order is not just any order at all; it marks the birth, or the recognition of freedom. For politics represents at least some tolerance of differing truths, some recognition that government is possible, indeed best conducted, amid the open canvassing of rival interests. Politics are the public actions of free men.”

It is not democracy that separates us from tyranny. It is politics. There might now be something wrong with our politics. It might be weakened by cynicism. The structures we have built to formalize and guide it might be subject to abuse. Our democracy might be in poor health. Or we might at least aspire for things to be somehow better—for a more meaningful House of Commons, a more relevant MP and a freer flow of public information. We might even feel that we are teetering now on the brink, that not just our democracy, but our politics, is in real danger of slipping away from us. That might even be true. If this feels like a pivotal moment, that might be because it is.

But if we need be saved, it is only through politics—that most human of creations and achievements—that we will find salvation. It is only through politics that we can hope to fix what is broken. It is the tumult we must accept. It is the tumult we must, in fact, embrace.

It is through politics that we will choose the man who will lead us on the 150th anniversary of our birth as a nation. It is through politics that we will answer those questions about our governance, resources, wealth and welfare. It is through politics that we will decide what to do about our environment and our fellow man, about how we will care for our sick and how we will respond to the scourges of poverty and addiction. It is through politics that we will decide over the next two years who we are and who we think we can be. It is only through politics that those who seek change can hope to achieve it.

So we stand now on the edge of a monumental two years. Two years for questions both eternal and pressing. Two years for ourselves and each other. Two years for Stephen Harper, Thomas Mulcair and Justin Trudeau. Two years for Brent Rathgeber’s concerns and Elizabeth May’s points of order. Two years to decide how we want our politics to be practiced. Two years to say whatever has to be said.

Regard it all as a celebration of politics, that which defines us and that which is limited only by our individual and collective willingness.


http://www2.macleans.ca/2013/10/15/the-41st-parliament-and-the-future-of...

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