Canada’s 43rd Election Results & Analysis

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Few losing opposition leaders get a second chance - and fewer still succeed if they get it

Andrew Scheer points to Stephen Harper's 2004 defeat for inspiration, but Harper's accomplishment was rare

CBC, Oct 30, 2019

Éric Grenier

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/grenier-defeated-opposition-1.5339717

Left Turn Left Turn's picture

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Next time, the wealth tax should be 5% or 10%, not a trivial 1%.  Next time, there need to be targets for major green public housing construction.  Next time, there needs to be active support for some means to restructure governance so that the poor get a real say in the economic decisions that affect them and are given a chance to play an active role in reshaping life so that poverty is actually ended in Canada.  For a start.

Next time the NDP also needs to run on improvements to EI and the CPP that will, among other things, make these program more equitable for the poorest workers.

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Trudeau clings to power

Canada has not avoided the deep sense of grievance and the political volatility that decades of austerity have generated across the world and the recent federal election here expressed those tensions. When the dust settled, Justin Trudeau’s Liberals had managed to hold on to power. However, they dropped 29 seats and retained only 157, losing their overall majority. Their main rival, the Conservatives, on the other hand, gained 23 seats and actually led in the popular vote. The political forces at work in this election will play out in the period ahead and they are worth taking a look at.

Firstly, the waning fortunes of the Liberals are very much part of the loss of political legitimacy that the neoliberal centre is experiencing on an international scale. For the image conscious Justin Trudeau, this decline in credibility has been particularly jarring. I have written previously about the fake progressive credentials of the Trudeau government that seemed so convincing and durable when the Liberals took power in 2015. However, the days when admirers lined up for selfies with the Prime Minister and he could count on trouble free public events are now long gone.

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Tory blunders 

Both the domestic situation and prevailing international trends seemed, given the lack of a sufficiently powerful alternative on the left, to work in the favour of the conservative right. However, if Trudeau was able to salvage a narrow escape in the face of likely electoral disaster, his saving grace lay in the stumbling performance of the Tories. Their hapless federal leader, Andrew Scheer, ran a lacklustre campaign dogged by astounding blunders.

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Left alternative 

The social democratic New Democratic Party (NDP) finds itself in an challenging situation in a country with an enduring party of the political centre that cultivates a progressive reputation. The problem has intensified during the neoliberal years, as social democratic parties have found a place within an austerity consensus. We should deplore the Blairite project but Tony Blair and his accomplices were looking to occupy political space that was available. The NDP has no such options because the Liberal Party is already in possession of the neoliberal centre. The kind of directions taken by Labour under Jeremy Corbyn, then, not only correspond to the needs of working class people in Canada but are the only viable political option for the NDP. 

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Many here who look with respect and hope to the developments that have taken place in the Labour Party in Britain wonder if this could occur within the NDP. In my view, a comparable move to the left can neither be predicted nor entirely precluded. In terms of the immediate future, the notion that the NDP will be highly influential by reason of ‘holding the balance of power’ is significantly overstated. The Liberals are close enough to a majority in Parliament that formal coalition arrangements are unnecessary. They can form voting blocks of convenience and, certainly, rely on Tory votes when they want to build pipelines or boost military spending. 

 

josh

Chief Electoral Officer Stéphane Perrault announced Friday that there will be a judicial recount of the votes in the Lower Mainland riding of Port Moody–Coquitlam. It will take place on Nov. 6 and will be conducted by a B.C. Supreme Court judge in Pitt Meadows, a suburb of Vancouver.

In the preliminary results, Conservative Nelly Shin flipped the riding from the NDP by only 153 votes, grabbing 31.2 per cent of all ballots cast.

https://ipolitics.ca/2019/11/01/recount-in-b-c-riding-to-take-place-on-wednesday/

NDPP

Scott Taylor: We Are Our Own Worst Enemy

https://www.thechronicleherald.ca/opinion/national-perspectives/scott-ta...

"On October 23, with the dust still settling over the election, it was quietly announced by the Privy Council Office that there had been no attempted foreign interference in Canada's democratic process. While it was reported by several national media outlets, if you blinked you likely missed this particular news item.

Last January, the threat was supposedly so real that Canada set up extensive counter-measures in an effort to limit the potential fallout from a coordinated campaign from foreign malign actors..."

Saved by the counter-measures!!

Pondering

epaulo13 wrote:

Trudeau clings to power

Good article, shady website. "About" says nothing about who the website belongs to nor who is funding it. I decided to pop off an email to ask who is backing the website. Hitting "contact" gave me two choices. Website or Office. I hit Office  which resulted in a link to join. 

Apparently this website is run by ghosts. If they have a reason for hiding their identity they should share that reason. 

NDPP

Have long noticed Babblers seem overwhelmingly to prefer corporate western msm sources like NYT, WaPo, The Globe or the Guardian, etc. All proven and relentless liars. Unfortunately only with alternative media do  such questions as to ownership or who funds them arise. Just saying...

PS: The article author is long-time OCAP activist John Clarke. The platform info can be found here:

https://www.counterfire.org/about-us

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Pondering wrote:

epaulo13 wrote:

Trudeau clings to power

Good article, shady website. "About" says nothing about who the website belongs to nor who is funding it. I decided to pop off an email to ask who is backing the website. Hitting "contact" gave me two choices. Website or Office. I hit Office  which resulted in a link to join. 

Apparently this website is run by ghosts. If they have a reason for hiding their identity they should share that reason. 

..not ghosts. they've been around a long time. 

Counterfire is a revolutionary socialist news and theory website, from the movements, for the movements.

Link

..the author of the piece

John Clarke is an anti-poverty activist active in Canada.

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Chantal Hébert

Election put both the Conservative Party and its leader on a losing track

Mon, Nov 4, 2019

https://www.thestar.com/politics/political-opinion/2019/11/04/election-put-both-the-conservative-party-and-its-leader-on-a-losing-track.html

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NDPP wrote:

Have long noticed Babblers seem overwhelmingly to prefer corporate western msm sources like NYT, WaPo, The Globe or the Guardian, etc. All proven and relentless liars. Unfortunately only with alternative media do  such questions as to ownership or who funds them arise. Just saying...

PS: The article author is long-time OCAP activist John Clarke. The platform info can be found here:

https://www.counterfire.org/about-us

It's not about preferring those sources, it's mainly about knowing of them but not knowing of others like counterfire-thanks for posting that, btw.  Why are so many of your posts here predicates on expressions of collective hostility to other Babblers, btw?  Most of us mostly agree with you on most things.

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

Ken Burch wrote:

Why are so many of your posts here predicates on expressions of collective hostility to other Babblers, btw?  Most of us mostly agree with you on most things.

Frank Sinatra has the answer. NDPP is just an old fashioned romantic.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

Left Turn wrote:

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Next time, the wealth tax should be 5% or 10%, not a trivial 1%.  Next time, there need to be targets for major green public housing construction.  Next time, there needs to be active support for some means to restructure governance so that the poor get a real say in the economic decisions that affect them and are given a chance to play an active role in reshaping life so that poverty is actually ended in Canada.  For a start.

Next time the NDP also needs to run on improvements to EI and the CPP that will, among other things, make these program more equitable for the poorest workers.

With you on that all the way.

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

oops!..missed ndpp's post on counterfire and clarke.

Sean in Ottawa

Ken Burch wrote:

Left Turn wrote:

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Next time, the wealth tax should be 5% or 10%, not a trivial 1%.  Next time, there need to be targets for major green public housing construction.  Next time, there needs to be active support for some means to restructure governance so that the poor get a real say in the economic decisions that affect them and are given a chance to play an active role in reshaping life so that poverty is actually ended in Canada.  For a start.

Next time the NDP also needs to run on improvements to EI and the CPP that will, among other things, make these program more equitable for the poorest workers.

With you on that all the way.

Hourly minimums are not effective ways of regulating the market alone.

They came from a time when workers had full time. Now that employers are requiring employees to be available all week so no additional job is possible but only give them a small number of hours the concept of min wage has been end run.

People are not part time "livers" We live 24 hours a day 365 days a year. A living wage covers that. Not okay saying here is 10 or 15 or 20 an hour for 5 hours this week and stay in stasis until we need you again.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

Left Turn wrote:

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Next time, the wealth tax should be 5% or 10%, not a trivial 1%.  Next time, there need to be targets for major green public housing construction.  Next time, there needs to be active support for some means to restructure governance so that the poor get a real say in the economic decisions that affect them and are given a chance to play an active role in reshaping life so that poverty is actually ended in Canada.  For a start.

Next time the NDP also needs to run on improvements to EI and the CPP that will, among other things, make these program more equitable for the poorest workers.

With you on that all the way.

Hourly minimums are not effective ways of regulating the market alone.

They came from a time when workers had full time. Now that employers are requiring employees to be available all week so no additional job is possible but only give them a small number of hours the concept of min wage has been end run.

People are not part time "livers" We live 24 hours a day 365 days a year. A living wage covers that. Not okay saying here is 10 or 15 or 20 an hour for 5 hours this week and stay in stasis until we need you again.

Tax incentives for businesses that provide workers with full time work is one idea. Another way to do it would be to have a scale for employer payroll responsibilities, like EI that makes it far costlier to have part time staff compared to full time. Given my desire to see people have a life outside work I think full time is a minimum 32 hours a week.

Pondering

NDPP wrote:

Have long noticed Babblers seem overwhelmingly to prefer corporate western msm sources like NYT, WaPo, The Globe or the Guardian, etc. All proven and relentless liars. Unfortunately only with alternative media do  such questions as to ownership or who funds them arise. Just saying...

PS: The article author is long-time OCAP activist John Clarke. The platform info can be found here:

https://www.counterfire.org/about-us

Still doesn't tell me who created the website or who it belongs to. Check out "about rabble". 

rabble.ca is a registered not-for-profit organization. We rely on the support of individual and organization donors and our sustaining partners. If you would like to support independent journalism you can here.

But they still removed the organization donors names that used to be at the bottom of the home page. Now you have to look at cahoots but it isn't clear there who the donors are. 

PS

When I look at the Montreal Gazette site I see that it belongs to Postmedia and yes that tells me something about it. It is not wrong to want to know who is backing a website. I grant you the authors have their own credibility but it is still good form to identify your backers or say why not. 

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

So tell me Pondering who created the Globe and Mail website or the NY Times website and why do you not question those peoples bona fides?

Sean in Ottawa

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

Left Turn wrote:

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Next time, the wealth tax should be 5% or 10%, not a trivial 1%.  Next time, there need to be targets for major green public housing construction.  Next time, there needs to be active support for some means to restructure governance so that the poor get a real say in the economic decisions that affect them and are given a chance to play an active role in reshaping life so that poverty is actually ended in Canada.  For a start.

Next time the NDP also needs to run on improvements to EI and the CPP that will, among other things, make these program more equitable for the poorest workers.

With you on that all the way.

Hourly minimums are not effective ways of regulating the market alone.

They came from a time when workers had full time. Now that employers are requiring employees to be available all week so no additional job is possible but only give them a small number of hours the concept of min wage has been end run.

People are not part time "livers" We live 24 hours a day 365 days a year. A living wage covers that. Not okay saying here is 10 or 15 or 20 an hour for 5 hours this week and stay in stasis until we need you again.

Tax incentives for businesses that provide workers with full time work is one idea. Another way to do it would be to have a scale for employer payroll responsibilities, like EI that makes it far costlier to have part time staff compared to full time. Given my desire to see people have a life outside work I think full time is a minimum 32 hours a week.

another very good point:

The rate of hourly minimums is based on presumptions of what full time work is. The calculation must be based on a reasonable number of hours. I would say that 32 is a maximum not a minimum. I think with technology which means we can do more in less time, people could work 4 7 hour days a week = 28 hours abd that is enough. I would advocate a minimum wage based on the presumption that you ought to be able to live on 28 hours of that. 

Then I would penalize employers who offer less than 28 hours and do not fix the time -- so that people have a chance to make up the hours with a second job which they cannot if they are effectively on call for a job that does not give enough hours. I have advocated stand-by pay for employers unable to predict when they need work. This should not be free as it is now. Also employers shoudl be penalized if they have too many part time rather than full time workers. 

By the way the $20 proposed above x 28 hours x 52 weeks comes to 29,120/year. Living wage has been calculated to be something near $23,000. Perhaps we could go for a minimum wage of $16 per hour which we are not that far from but bring in the better planning measure I mention -- limits on numbers of involuntary part time workers (less than 28 hours a week), banning changing hours without paying standby time and other measures. Then index the wages.

Besides focusing just on minimum wage we also have to address the need for well-paying jobs. Some of this can come from measure to promote unionization and the need to create better than minimum paying jobs.

We also should address minimum income. It should not be less than 1/2 of a living wage so about $1000 minimum across the country to start.

My suggestions here are modest and affordable.

If we had the political will it would be not too difficult to advocate for a better employment picture.

 

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..a 24 min aptn interview. 

‘We need a movement right now’: says NDP MP Leah Gazan

Leah Gazan is looking to bring the grassroots to the House of Commons.

Clean air, clean water, food security, affordable housing and basic human rights are all among the issues Gazan has been advocating for her whole life.

The newly elected NDP Member of Parliament for Winnipeg Centre hopes becoming a federal politician provides a new platform to bring these issues forward.

“We need to elevate the voice of people right now who are on the front lines of many of these issues,” says Gazan, who defeated Liberal incumbent Robert-Falcon Ouellette.

Gazan, who declares herself a “proud socialist” like her mother and father, grew up a supporter of the NDP.

“I think it’s deplorable in a country as rich as Canada that we have issues with homelessness, that Indigenous communities still don’t have drinking water and this current government is on it’s 8th non-compliance order to immediately stop racially discriminating against First Nations kids,” says Gazan who is featured on the Tuesday edition of Face to Face with Host Dennis Ward.

“We need strong voices bringing up these kind of issues and making strong connections with people on the ground and grassroots.”

Gazan was one of the candidates running in the last federal election who was supported by the Our Time campaign.

The movement is pushing for what they call a Green New Deal, a plan they say is the only one bold enough to tackle the “climate emergency and rising inequality.”

The NDP MP elect says young people are on the front lines of the climate crisis that she says has been created by a failure to act.

“We need a movement right now” says Gazan to action on the climate emergency.....

josh

NDP.  Content with losing half their caucus.  Even more so than the party that won.

 

Sean in Ottawa

josh wrote:

NDP.  Content with losing half their caucus.  Even more so than the party that won.

 

No, they are not content. This is a lie.

Just becuase they do not blame the leader or do not think blaming the leader is productive or having a leadership convention on credit does not mean they are content. No party is content with a loss.

In this case Singh was the greatest asset the NDP had by the end of the election and this poll reflects that not any satisfaction with the results.

The NDP members do not accept the party finances as they are (either the party's management of them or the rules they work under) and they do not accept the electoral system they compete in. As a result the blame the leader reaction will be muted.

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Interesting.  So 85% & 87% of party supporters are happy with Trudeau & Singh but only 41% are happy with Scheer.

It appeared things were a little difficult for Scheer, but those numbers make it look worse than people thought.

robbie_dee

Port Moody-Coquitlam recount terminated at NDP candidate’s request

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Port Moody-Coquitlam New Democrat Bonita Zarrillo originally trailed winner Conservative Nelly Shin by 333 votes but sought the recount after the election night tally was officially certified.

It showed Zarrillo had gained 180 votes, putting her just 153 votes behind Shin, while more than 500 ballots had been declared spoiled.

A B.C. Supreme Court justice began the recount Wednesday but Elections Canada says the process was terminated Thursday at Zarrillo's request.

The federal election gives the Conservatives 17 of British Columbia's 42 seats, while the Liberals and New Democrats each hold 11, the Green party has two and former justice minister Jody Wilson-Raybould sits as Parliament's lone Independent member.

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Meanwhile, the BQ has said it now accepts the 2 Liberal wins in Hochelaga and Québec.

Left Turn Left Turn's picture

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

Left Turn wrote:

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Next time, the wealth tax should be 5% or 10%, not a trivial 1%.  Next time, there need to be targets for major green public housing construction.  Next time, there needs to be active support for some means to restructure governance so that the poor get a real say in the economic decisions that affect them and are given a chance to play an active role in reshaping life so that poverty is actually ended in Canada.  For a start.

Next time the NDP also needs to run on improvements to EI and the CPP that will, among other things, make these program more equitable for the poorest workers.

With you on that all the way.

Hourly minimums are not effective ways of regulating the market alone.

They came from a time when workers had full time. Now that employers are requiring employees to be available all week so no additional job is possible but only give them a small number of hours the concept of min wage has been end run.

People are not part time "livers" We live 24 hours a day 365 days a year. A living wage covers that. Not okay saying here is 10 or 15 or 20 an hour for 5 hours this week and stay in stasis until we need you again.

Sean, you clearly didn't get my point, which I admitedly didn't fully spell out.  We need to drastically reduce the number of hours that people have to work at their job in order to be elegible for EI (none of this 720 hours bullshit), and we need to ensure that all workers are allowed to have their CPP contributions stay in the program (the way it is now, if you havn't worked enough hours in a year your CPP contribution gets refunded to you and there's nothing you can do about it).

Sean in Ottawa

Left Turn wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

Left Turn wrote:

Quote:
Next time, the wealth tax should be 5% or 10%, not a trivial 1%.  Next time, there need to be targets for major green public housing construction.  Next time, there needs to be active support for some means to restructure governance so that the poor get a real say in the economic decisions that affect them and are given a chance to play an active role in reshaping life so that poverty is actually ended in Canada.  For a start.

Next time the NDP also needs to run on improvements to EI and the CPP that will, among other things, make these program more equitable for the poorest workers.

With you on that all the way.

Hourly minimums are not effective ways of regulating the market alone.

They came from a time when workers had full time. Now that employers are requiring employees to be available all week so no additional job is possible but only give them a small number of hours the concept of min wage has been end run.

People are not part time "livers" We live 24 hours a day 365 days a year. A living wage covers that. Not okay saying here is 10 or 15 or 20 an hour for 5 hours this week and stay in stasis until we need you again.

Sean, you clearly didn't get my point, which I admitedly didn't fully spell out.  We need to drastically reduce the number of hours that people have to work at their job in order to be elegible for EI (none of this 720 hours bullshit), and we need to ensure that all workers are allowed to have their CPP contributions stay in the program (the way it is now, if you havn't worked enough hours in a year your CPP contribution gets refunded to you and there's nothing you can do about it).

I think that goes very well with the point I was making -- I am not sure why you think I did not get your point though.

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Xavier Lafrance is a member of Québec Solidaire. He teaches political science at the Université du Québec à Montréal.

The Federal Election and the Resurgence of the Bloc Québécois

The October 21st Canadian federal election brought a resurgence of the Bloc Québécois and the decline of the NDP vote in Québec. The former will now have 32 seats in the House of Commons (a 22-seat net increase compared with the 2015 elections), while the latter will be limited to a mere 24 (a 22-seat net loss). Only one of the NDP seats is in Québec. At 66 percent, the overall vote turnout declined, but only moderately compared with the 2015 election’s 68 percent. The Liberal and Conservative parties’ vote shares in Québec remained relatively stable. Meanwhile, the NDP’s share in Québec collapsed from 25.4 to 10.7 percent, while support for the Bloc jumped from 19.3 to 32.5 percent. This suggests that at least a substantial portion of the Bloc gains were due to NDP losses. The 2011 “orange wave” that had brought a massive NDP surge in Québec and a nearly complete eradication of the Bloc seems to have entirely receded. How can we explain this electoral shift?

One of the key factors behind this shift has to do with a transformation of Québec’s provincial politics that culminated with the 2018 electoral victory of the economically neoliberal and socially conservative Coalition Avenir Québec (CAQ). The Bloc Quebecois’ campaign strategists made it clear that they were inspired by the CAQ’s successes and were pursuing the 55 and older nationalist vote. Put simply, the strategy was to emulate the CAQ’s “nationalisme identitaire” (ethnocentric white nationalism). The party adopted “Québec is us” (as opposed to whom?) as its slogan, and the core of its campaign revolved around “laïcité” and the defense of Law 21, which bans Muslim religious dress for some public sector workers, including teachers. The Bloc consistently relayed the demand formulated at the start of the electoral campaign by CAQ leader and Québec premier François Legault that federal parties abandon any attempt to launch a judicial challenge to Law 21. The Bloc also supported the CAQ’s restrictive immigration policy. In especially vile fashion, the Bloc’s leader Yves-François Blanchet also refused to expel four Bloc candidates who publicly made Islamophobic comments.

Posturing as a gentleman alpha-male, Blanchet led a good communication campaign and harnessed some of the environmentalist opposition to Liberal leader Justin Trudeau, constantly opposing the Energy East tar sands pipeline.[1] This, in addition to Trudeau’s refusal to commit to not contesting Law 21 (together with a crowded electoral stage and tight three-way contests in many ridings), certainly contributed to the Bloc’s ability to take nine seats away from the Liberals. Yet, Blanchet’s green stance sounded hollow, coming from a former provincial environment minister who had, in 2013, declared himself as a “partner” seeking to work together with oil companies.

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As for the NDP, it had already lost a lot of ground in the 2015 election after its 2011 surge (which had stemmed from a protest vote against Stephen Harper’s Conservatives rather than from any kind of deep-seated implantation of the party in Québec). NPD leader Thomas Mulcair was sunk during the 2015 campaign by Harper’s Islamophobic wedge politics and an economic platform that was outflanked on the left by the Liberals on many points. The NDP’s 2019 platform under leader Jagmeet Singh was better, but not transformative in any meaningful and exciting ways. And some of its most interesting proposals, like a public drug coverage plan and a public daycare network, are policies that have already been in good part implemented in Québec. Singh also ceded too much ground to the Bloc on environmental issues and, as an open practitioner of Sikhism, the NDP leader had to fight an uphill battle in Québec, where opposition to “religious symbols” is peaking. The upshot was that, of the 15 seats lost by the NDP, ten went to the Bloc.

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OK.  Well, the NDP can't run as a "nationalisme identitaire" party without ceasing to be an anti-oppression party, so it appears that the only way forward-or out of the hole it has currently dug itself-in Quebec is to go big and go bold on economic justice and challenging corporate dominance of politics and life.  It should make the case that it's corporate power, not Muslim clothing, that is the major threat to Quebec identity, and that what should unite that identity is language, not dominance by any particular race or identity.  Also, if there are more Quebec MPs next time, for God's sakes don't force them to suppress their radicalism and don't force forbid them to display public support for radical struggles within Quebec.  Nobody who opposed the Quebec students on the tuition issue was going to agree with the NDP-NPD on much of anything and none of those opponents were even going to think about voting NDP, so it wasn't worth even trying to appease them. 

Aristotleded24

Can we please quit repeating this nonsense that it was the niqab issue that cost the NDP seats in Quebec? The vast majority of seats the NDP lost in 2015 were to a party with an identical position. It's true the NDP lost seats to the Conservatives, but that could have been a dead cat bounce of the Conservative party recovering to traditional levels of support.

bekayne

Aristotleded24 wrote:

Can we please quit repeating this nonsense that it was the niqab issue that cost the NDP seats in Quebec? The vast majority of seats the NDP lost in 2015 were to a party with an identical position. 

The problem was they didn't reveal that position until the middle of the campaign.

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..lafance's piece in #228 makes a compelling argument. from harper's wedge politics, the election of caq, the rise of the bloc to singh's sikhism. and then relating it to “nationalisme identitaire”. the niqab issue in this context can hardly be called nonsense. from what i remember from the 2015 election, it was accepted that mulcair did nothing wrong re his niqab position. lafrance provides insight into that.     

nicky

It is asolutely not nonsense that the niqab issue ruined the NDP's position in Quebec in 2015. Within a day or two of the federal court ruling the party's support plunged from about 45 to 25 % and never recovered.

Although Trudeau had broadly the sam position as the NDP he kep quiet about it while Mulcair doubled down and resolutely defended the position. This was highlybprincipled but electorally unwise.

nicky

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nicky wrote:

It is asolutely not nonsense that the niqab issue ruined the NDP's position in Quebec in 2015. Within a day or two of the federal court ruling the party's support plunged from about 45 to 25 % and never recovered.

Although Trudeau had broadly the sam position as the NDP he kep quiet about it while Mulcair doubled down and resolutely defended the position. This was highlybprincipled but electorally unwise.

I believe that Tom Mulcair did the right thing.

Pondering

Ken Burch wrote:

OK.  Well, the NDP can't run as a "nationalisme identitaire" party without ceasing to be an anti-oppression party, so it appears that the only way forward-or out of the hole it has currently dug itself-in Quebec is to go big and go bold on economic justice and challenging corporate dominance of politics and life.  It should make the case that it's corporate power, not Muslim clothing, that is the major threat to Quebec identity, and that what should unite that identity is language, not dominance by any particular race or identity.  Also, if there are more Quebec MPs next time, for God's sakes don't force them to suppress their radicalism and don't force forbid them to display public support for radical struggles within Quebec.  Nobody who opposed the Quebec students on the tuition issue was going to agree with the NDP-NPD on much of anything and none of those opponents were even going to think about voting NDP, so it wasn't worth even trying to appease them. 

Yes. Unfortunately Quebec has backed itself into a corner on Bill 21. Supporting Bill 21 means not voting for Singh. I am so ashamed and disappointed in my province. If it were not for that I think the NDP would have had an excellent showing in Quebec and kept all its seats. 

To change a leader based on the racism or xenophobia of voters would be shameful yet at the same time we are facing a world crisis that impacts everyone including minorities. Do we sacrifice the planet on principle? I support Singh but I don't see the NDP winning under him. I very much want to be wrong, to believe that Quebec just needs a bit of time. I'm just very disheartened by the NDP losses in Quebec. I blame Legault and his stupid Bill 21. I am sure he is happy to take responsibility. 

nicky

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