Canada federal election October 21, 2019 part 2

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Canada federal election October 21, 2019 part 2

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NorthReport

Very sad that Canada’s Pipeline King Trudeau didn’t have the courage to address Canadians following this devastating decision against our Canadian government 

https://www.straight.com/news/1127527/trudeau-spin-cycle-puts-finance-minister-bill-morneau-and-mp-joyce-murray-front-kinder

 

NorthReport

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NorthReport

Canada’s climate change plan — Alberta is out, so is it dead on the table?

https://globalnews.ca/news/4420844/alberta-climate-change-plan-federal-j...

NorthReport

'Houston, I think we have a problem'

Bombshell leak to Toronto Star upends NAFTA talks: In secret ‘so insulting’ remarks, Trump says he isn’t compromising at all with Canada

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2018/08/31/bombshell-leak-to-toronto-...

NorthReport

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Thankfully three Federal Court of Appeal justices  cut through the bullshit after weighing all the evidence

https://www.straight.com/news/1127416/central-canadian-media-and-trudeau-cabinet-must-wake-british-columbians-love-southern

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gadar

More asylum seekers created by Fancy Socks

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/saudi-students-file-for-...

National Post has already said that it is a crisis. When will the govt start listening to journalists, or do they only care about what CBC and Red Star have to say. SAD.

gadar

This is essential life saving medication, it should be free. Just being cheaper than the States is not enough. And when The President hears about this he will order the company to lower its prices to levels less than Canada. Canada needs real leadership.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/epipen-alternative-auvi-q-pricing-during-...

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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This is essential life saving medication, it should be free.

Well, if shrimp, bee stings, or peanuts were an illegal drug, it probably would be free, like naloxone is.

gadar

sorry. wrong thread

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

Trans Mountain defeat threatens Justin Trudeau’s re-election story - Chantal Hébert

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There is no quick fix to turn the page on this week’s legal fiasco before Trudeau seeks re-election next fall.

In the very unlikely event that the government has an abrupt change of heart and cuts its losses by renouncing the expansion, it would still have the existing Trans Mountain pipeline on its hands. Between now and the election, expect protagonists on both sides of the debate to depict it as a prime exhibit of Liberal incompetence.

From a political perspective, keeping alive the notion that the project will eventually see the light of day might seem like the more expedient solution. But while the government has a number of road maps at its disposal, none offer a shortcut to success.

gadar

I am sure somebody has mentioned this before, but the public owning the pipeline IMO is a good thing. This gives the Govt immense amount of control on the amount of bitumen shipped. A future progressive Govt can easily turn the tap off and even rip the thing out of the ground citing environmental concerns, the age of the pipeline, indigenous opposition, or maybe use national security as an excuse. And then ask the planet killing industry to build their own if they want to. If building a pipeline is not easy today, it is only going to get hard in the future.

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A future progressive Govt can easily turn the tap off and even rip the thing out of the ground citing environmental concerns, the age of the pipeline, indigenous opposition, or maybe use national security as an excuse.

And they'll (we'll?) get the money back?  If buying the pipeline was a bad idea, buying it and then not using it isn't a better one.

gadar

Mr. Magoo wrote:

And they'll (we'll?) get the money back?  If buying the pipeline was a bad idea, buying it and then not using it isn't a better one.

I think buying it and then burying it is a good idea. Not that I am saying that the motivation behind the purchase of the pipeline by the current govt is to bury it.

But if a future Govt decides to bury it I will support it and chalk up the cost as a cost we paid to fight climate change. Or a future Govt can also ask the people who want to use the public pipeline to pay a certain amount to mitigate the effects of climate change that are going to be created by the cargo. The public controlling what and how much flows through the pipeline is a good idea in my opinion.

NorthReport
gadar

Just like the Germans, Canadians should also call for surveillance of party stoking resentment against immigrants.

Guess which party would that be, I will give you a hint, the new leader claimed that he is just the old leader with a smile. Same venom but sugarcoated this time.

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/german-politicians-call-for-surveill...

 

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Restoring a work-life balance and better protections for part-time and temporary workers will be among the key focuses of a planned rewrite of Canada’s federal labour rules which are to be updated by the time Labour Day rolls around next year, Canada’s employment minister says.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-work-life-balance-preca...

Mighty Middle
Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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But if a future Govt decides to bury it I will support it and chalk up the cost as a cost we paid to fight climate change.

That's like spending your savings to buy a fancy SUV and then smashing it, to inform the world that you're against fossil fuels.

Also, wasn't it supposed to be just super awesome if the government would nationalize industries?  Where'd that idea disappear to?  And before you say "oh, sure, just not THIS one!" I actually recall the oil industry being one of them.

cco

If the government nationalized the oil industry, I'd be celebrating. Not everyone on this board would agree. Buying a single pipeline that the private sector refuses to build, for the future use of the private sector, at public expense, is not the same thing. That's nationalizing the risk and privatizing the profit.

gadar

Mr. Magoo wrote:

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But if a future Govt decides to bury it I will support it and chalk up the cost as a cost we paid to fight climate change.

That's like spending your savings to buy a fancy SUV and then smashing it, to inform the world that you're against fossil fuels.

Also, wasn't it supposed to be just super awesome if the government would nationalize industries?  Where'd that idea disappear to?  And before you say "oh, sure, just not THIS one!" I actually recall the oil industry being one of them.

I do not support the decision to buy the pipeline. The Govt shouldnt have bought it and it would have been dead. 

But since its already bought, I am just suggesting that it can be used strategically if a future govt. wishes to.

Not saying that the future use (or un-use) justifies the purchase.

R.E.Wood

Robin Sears gets in on the early election speculation:

Early federal election rumours build

"As Parliament returns, we might expect trial balloons citing “usually reliable Liberal sources” whispering that an election is being debated. If the war drums do not generate strong internal resistance, the prime minister may decide to go anytime between late September and early next year.

... The negotiating team returning to Washington, some weeks from now, would have a strong wind at their backs with a new mandate from Canadian voters, is the hawks second strongest argument. But the Liberals would stump the country first on an appeal over who is in charge of Canadian energy and infrastructure. Just as Pierre Trudeau did in 1980."

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/star-columnists/2018/09/09/early-federal...

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

Justin had best beware of Peterson's Curse. Plus, Ontario in 1990 didn't even have a fixed election dates law.

jerrym

Michael Moriarity wrote:

Justin had best beware of Peterson's Curse. Plus, Ontario in 1990 didn't even have a fixed election dates law.

I thought you were talking of Peter Principle that people in a hierarchy tend to rise to their level of incompetence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_principle

 

jerrym

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NorthReport

Can’t blame the Liberals if they pull the plug soon, after all the name of the game is to get elected and stay elected so that you can reward your backers with government contracts. All the rest is of no consequence to any government

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Aristotleded24

NorthReport wrote:
Can’t blame the Liberals if they pull the plug soon, after all the name of the game is to get elected and stay elected so that you can reward your backers with government contracts. All the rest is of no consequence to any government

If I was advising Trudeau, this is exactly the advice I would give him. People are starting to get scared of the Conservative association with the alt right, and the NDP is floundering. A spring election means that there doesn't have to be a by-election in Burnaby, and so the NDP will be dividing its resources between getting Singh elected and helping elect other MPs. Plus Notley is also going to have an uphill fight on her hands in Alberta, so the NDP will have to pick its battles and decide whether to help out one of its provincial sections retain power or help out their federal counterparts who will remain as the third party in a majority Parliament, with no net improvement on their overall federal influence.

R.E.Wood

NDP has yet to nominate a single candidate for next federal election

Federal political parties are gearing up for the final parliamentary session before the next election, but while the Conservatives and the Liberals tout having many candidates nominated and money in the bank, the NDP has yet to nominate a single candidate.

https://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2018/09/17/ndp-has-yet-to-nominate-a-s...

Cody87

Aristotleded24 wrote:

If I was advising Trudeau, this is exactly the advice I would give him. People are starting to get scared of the Conservative association with the alt right, and the NDP is floundering. A spring election means that there doesn't have to be a by-election in Burnaby, and so the NDP will be dividing its resources between getting Singh elected and helping elect other MPs. Plus Notley is also going to have an uphill fight on her hands in Alberta, so the NDP will have to pick its battles and decide whether to help out one of its provincial sections retain power or help out their federal counterparts who will remain as the third party in a majority Parliament, with no net improvement on their overall federal influence.

I wonder about this. I think it could backfire, be seen as very cynical and self-serving. In many ways, Trudeau succeeded by presenting himself the least like a self-serving politician in 2015. It could be bad for the brand. But it could pan out for them as well.

It's also tough to say whether giving the Conservatives/Berniers more time or less time would be better. At what point in time will they split the most of the vote? Given enough time, a clear winner may emerge. But not given enough time, Bernier (and Scheer!) can't do enough damage to Scheer.

If I was the liberals, I would wait until next October in the hopes that some of the international cultural tensions die down. Hell, maybe social media will figure out how to stop the alt-right by then.