Canadian federal election 2019 part 3

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Liberal, Conservative heavy-hitters brought in to fight to win NDP’s Hamilton ridings

Environment Minister Catherine McKenna has her sights set on the NDP’s two ridings in downtown Hamilton, and two Conservative front-benchers have already visited the city to help launch Tory campaigns in Hamilton Mountain and Hamilton Centre.

https://www.hilltimes.com/2019/09/30/liberal-conservative-heavy-hitters-...

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Debate Dates Oct 7 & 10

Official leaders’ debates to cover 5 topics, include questions from Canadians

https://globalnews.ca/news/5968959/canada-election-debate-topics-format/

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This is admittedly from the Trudeau hating Sun columnist Warren Kinsella, but still it is interesting that Althea Raj, one of the moderators for the upcoming english debate, was photographed having a discreet meeting with Gerald Butts last night in Ottawa.

jerrym

Michael Moriarity wrote:

This is admittedly from the Trudeau hating Sun columnist Warren Kinsella, but still it is interesting that Althea Raj, one of the moderators for the upcoming english debate, was photographed having a discreet meeting with Gerald Butts last night in Ottawa.

You would think she would at least attempt to maintain the appearance of being a neutral moderator three days before the debate. 

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Nice catch MM

Althea Raj has been a Liberal hack since the time she first appeared as a columnist but this just shows you how rigged Canada's election scene really is, how arrogant Liberals are, and why no matter if the NDP had the greatest platform on earth they don't stand a chance. 

And don't hold your breath waiting for the CBC, the Liberal media wing, to call it out.

Misfit Misfit's picture

If she is giving the questions to Butts for the Liberals to prepare, then it might actually get Trudeau to show up for a debate. I’m actually not surprised if that is what they were meeting for.

He is NOT his father who could speak extemporaneously on any issue.

Downtowner

https://ipolitics.ca/2019/09/28/liberals-comfortably-ahead-in-toronto-riding-of-davenport-mainstreet-poll/

I don't subscribe to Ipolitics premium but this suggests that a Mainstreet Poll this week found Julie Dzerowicz comfortably ahead of Andrew Cash in Davenport. She is virtually invisible in the riding, so I'm surprised she's doing so well. Anybody have a breakdown of the Mainstreet numbers? 

Aristotleded24

Misfit wrote:
If she is giving the questions to Butts for the Liberals to prepare, then it might actually get Trudeau to show up for a debate. I’m actually not surprised if that is what they were meeting for.

He is NOT his father who could speak extemporaneously on any issue.

Maybe like Bernie Sanders, Singh will have better answers to these questions despite never having heard them in advance.

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Fake News rears its ugly head

Conservative MP uses campaign flyer to spread falsehoods about ‘fake refugees’

https://globalnews.ca/news/5979155/conservative-mp-campaign-flyer-falsehood-fake-refugees/

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WATCH: "Canada is the 6th largest exporter of weapons in the world. Why do you condone the sale of weapons to Saudi Arabia which is using these weapons to commit atrocities?' Finally a hard question on Saudi deal."

https://twitter.com/derrickokeefe/status/1178842084658176000

This is the sort of question that should be put to all political candidates. On Canada's support for Saudi, Israel, Ukraine, NATO, 'Free Trade' sellouts, Poverty, Venezuela, Indigenous genocide, pro-American foreign policy etc. They're selling us out.  Hit them hard.

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Who cares if Scheer has dual citizenship - maybe his insurance broker licence is good in the USA. Anyway I'm sure Trump will find a job for him after October 21st, eh!

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Globe & Mail discovers Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer has secretly had U.S. citizenship.

He now says he is in the process of renouncing it.

Hypocritical behaviour from the Conservatives considering their attacks on Tom Mulcair & Stephane Dion for holding French citizenship:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-conservative-leader-andrew-scheer-holds-dual-canadian-us-citizenship/

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Tell us something we dont know, eh!

Manning Centre a primary backer for series of 'Proud' Facebook pages

 

https://o.canada.com/pmn/news-pmn/canada-news-pmn/manning-centre-a-primary-backer-for-series-of-proud-facebook-pages/wcm/545c38dd-6c88-45de-b990-bf78ad3688eb

NDPP

I hope this story has legs. Alas, the way the country's heading it may soon be a common thing for our politicians...

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Mulcair was brilliant in the House of Commons - he owned the place and moped the floor with Trudeau, but unfortunately for the NDP  in 2015 the election was fought outside the House of Commons, and the NDP had the biggest loss of seats they ever had.

 

Paladin1

Debater wrote:

Globe & Mail discovers Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer has secretly had U.S. citizenship.

He now says he is in the process of renouncing it.

Hypocritical behaviour from the Conservatives considering their attacks on Tom Mulcair & Stephane Dion for holding French citizenship:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-conservative-leader-andrew-scheer-holds-dual-canadian-us-citizenship/

 

How was his citizenship a secret?

Debater

Paladin1 wrote:

Debater wrote:

Globe & Mail discovers Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer has secretly had U.S. citizenship.

He now says he is in the process of renouncing it.

Hypocritical behaviour from the Conservatives considering their attacks on Tom Mulcair & Stephane Dion for holding French citizenship:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-conservative-leader-andrew-scheer-holds-dual-canadian-us-citizenship/

 

How was his citizenship a secret?

I guess because he didn't tell Canadians? And waited until the press discovered it today before coming clean?

NorthReport

 - just more Liberal talking points

 

Debater

NR, carrying water for the Conservatives again.

NorthReport

- once again just more Liberal talking points from the guy who originally came here suggesting he was an NDP supporter and has come here over the years with many different aliases and was previously banned for it.  Lens Solution was one of the many aliases. A leopard doesn't change its spots.

Paladin1

Debater wrote:

I guess because he didn't tell Canadians? And waited until the press discovered it today before coming clean?

He filed paperwork in August.  He never reknewed  his US passport as an adult and never voted in the US election.

Boils down to his father being American and then moving to Canada.  Hardly seems ground shattering, of course Liberals are desperate and will cling on to anything. I guess maybe Scheer should have made a big deal about it and held a press conference and apologized for it.

JKR

Paladin1 wrote:

Debater wrote:

Globe & Mail discovers Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer has secretly had U.S. citizenship.

He now says he is in the process of renouncing it.

Hypocritical behaviour from the Conservatives considering their attacks on Tom Mulcair & Stephane Dion for holding French citizenship:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-conservative-leader-andrew-scheer-holds-dual-canadian-us-citizenship/

 

How was his citizenship a secret?

If Trudeau, Singh, or May, had kept their US citizenship a secret their political careers would likely be over but there might be a double standard at play here that will protect Scheer.

bekayne

Yankee Doodle Andy.

cco

NDPP wrote:

I hope this story has legs. Alas, the way the country's heading it may soon be a common thing for our politicians...

What does this mean? Damn dirty disloyal dual citizens coming into politics and screwing things up for loyal Canadians?

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JKR wrote:
Paladin1 wrote:

Debater wrote:

Globe & Mail discovers Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer has secretly had U.S. citizenship.

He now says he is in the process of renouncing it.

Hypocritical behaviour from the Conservatives considering their attacks on Tom Mulcair & Stephane Dion for holding French citizenship:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-conservative-leader-andrew-scheer-holds-dual-canadian-us-citizenship/

 

How was his citizenship a secret?

If Trudeau, Singh, or May, had kept their US citizenship a secret their political careers would likely be over but there might be a double standard at play here that will protect Scheer.

I agree, it's a big issue that raises a lot of questions about Scheer's honesty & credibility, contrary to what Paladin1 says above.

And it was the Globe & Mail (a Conservative newspaper) which broke this story today, not the Liberals.

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Nathan Cullen:

I didn't like it when my party went after Dion for this, or Cons went after Ignatieff. Having a dual citizenship b/c of where your parents were born doesn't disqualify you from seeking elected office. Hiding the fact - well, that's a question of integrity.

https://twitter.com/nathancullen/status/1179901346255785984

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Just to be really clear:

Conservatives are the enemy and I at least respect them for their honesty in telling you they are your enemy

The Liberals on the other hand tell you they are your friend but actually they lie. They pretend and con you into thinking they are your allies, but actually Liberals are the enemy too.

And often it is hard to tell which is the worst enemy. The ones who upfront to you they are the enemy, or the ones who are the enemy as well, but who try to con you into thinking they are your friend.

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Do you mean like Trudeau hiding the fact that he was spewing double the amount of greenhouse gases into the

atmosphere using 2 planes for his election campaign

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Nathan Cullen:

I didn't like it when my party went after Dion for this, or Cons went after Ignatieff. Having a dual citizenship b/c of where your parents were born doesn't disqualify you from seeking elected office. Hiding the fact - well, that's a question of integrity.

https://twitter.com/nathancullen/status/1179901346255785984

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Sickening!

I hope they find the suckers that did this and send them to jail

https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/edmonton-lawn-sign-shows-trudeau-with-crosshair-target-on-forehead-1.4622709

KarlL

bekayne wrote:

Yankee Doodle Andy.

Cute.

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JKR

NorthReport wrote:

Just to be really clear:

Conservatives are the enemy and I at least respect them for their honesty in telling you they are your enemy

The Liberals on the other hand tell you they are your friend but actually they lie. They pretend and con you into thinking they are your allies, but actually Liberals are the enemy too.

And often it is hard to tell which is the worst enemy. The ones who upfront to you they are the enemy, or the ones who are the enemy as well, but who try to con you into thinking they are your friend.

Here are two examples of how I think the Liberals are much better than the Conservatives:

1) The Harper Conservatives wanted to move the retirement age to 67 but the current Liberal government rolled that age back to 65.

2) The current Liberal government increased the amount of the child tax benefit and targeted it to lower and middle incomes and this has significantly reduced poverty in Canada.

I think these kind of Liberal policies are the reason the great majority of NDP supporters and progressives prefer the Liberals over the Conservatives. That being said, I prefer the NDP’s policies over the Liberals but unfortunately the NDP has never formed a federal government and unfortunately that looks like it will continue on for the foreseeable future.

radiorahim radiorahim's picture

JKR wrote:

Here are two examples of how I think the Liberals are much better than the Conservatives:

1) The Harper Conservatives wanted to move the retirement age to 67 but the current Liberal government rolled that age back to 65.

2) The current Liberal government increased the amount of the child tax benefit and targeted it to lower and middle incomes and this has significantly reduced poverty in Canada.

I think these kind of Liberal policies are the reason the great majority of NDP supporters and progressives prefer the Liberals over the Conservatives. That being said, I prefer the NDP’s policies over the Liberals but unfortunately the NDP has never formed a federal government and unfortunately that looks like it will continue on for the foreseeable future.

The Tories didn't change the retirement age, they simply started a phase in of increasing the eligibility for receiving the Old Age Security pension from 65 to 67.    The phase in hadn't yet begun and so rolling the OAS eligibility back to 65 didn't cost the government anything at all, and they could play "hero".

Harper's earlier change to the Canada Pension Plan hurt seniors who retire early.   If you elected to collect your CPP at age 60 instead of age 65, you used to receive a 70% CPP.    That was reduced to 64%.    The Trudeau Liberals have not changed that because it would cost them money.

On top of that was Bill C-27, a bill that for the time being has died on the order paper.   It was an attempt by the Liberals to allow employers in federally regulated industries to escape their obligations for defined benefit pensions.  Will it come back if the Liberals are re-elected?    Who knows?   I would tend to think it would come back in any kind of majority Liberal or Tory scenario.

As for lifting people out of poverty, that's to a large extent B.S. too.   The Liberals changed their method of calculating poverty and the new method they use totally lowballs the cost of housing in Canada.

With Liberals you have to get past the official rhetoric and get down and dirty digging into the weeds of what they are actually doing.    There's always a "catch" because they are the party of sleaze.   Liberals sprinkle a few crumbs out the front door to regular folks and then let the ruling class pick the store clean out the back door.

JKR

radiorahim wrote:

With Liberals you have to get past the official rhetoric and get down and dirty digging into the weeds of what they are actually doing. 

Unfortunately I think the same can also be mostly said for most NDP provincial governments. I think NDP premiers like Ed Schryer, Gary Doer, Roy Romanow, Darrell Dexter, Ujjal Dosanj, Bob Rae, etc..., are not all that different from most Liberal leaders. I think political parties tend to sound more leftist when they’re in opposition and running for election and they tend to become more rightist if they’re in government.

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Certainly not Tommy Douglas and Dave Barrett 

JKR

NorthReport wrote:

Certainly not Tommy Douglas and Dave Barrett 

Definitely not Liberals - although they were from the 60’s and 70’s when the Liberals had leftish leaders like Pierre Trudeau and Lester Pearson. Trudeau was actually a CCF’er.

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radiorahim radiorahim's picture

JKR wrote:

Unfortunately I think the same can also be mostly said for most NDP provincial governments. I think NDP premiers like Ed Schryer, Gary Doer, Roy Romanow, Darrell Dexter, Ujjal Dosanj, Bob Rae, etc..., are not all that different from most Liberal leaders. I think political parties tend to sound more leftist when they’re in opposition and running for election and they tend to become more rightist if they’re in government.

There is a fundamental difference between the Liberals and the NDP, namely that the Liberals are one of two political parties of the ruling class.   They always have been.

While the CCF/NDP is far from perfect, it is a political party created largely by the labour and social movements.   It lives and dies based on it's ability to rally folks from these movements.

And, I'm not one of those folks who believes that you just elect a left government and then you can go to sleep for the next four years while your lefty government does progressive things.    Mass based social movements have to pressure governments no matter what party is in government.   It's just a whole lot easier generally when it's the social movements that got you elected in the first place.

radiorahim radiorahim's picture

JKR wrote:

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Definitely not Liberals - although they were from the 60’s and 70’s when the Liberals had leftish leaders like Pierre Trudeau and Lester Pearson. Trudeau was actually a CCF’er.

Pierre Trudeau certainly hung around with CCF'ers in the 1950's and early 1960's, but he was NEVER a member of the CCF.      (Read Christo Aivalas' book on the subject.   He explodes a common myth).  Aside from in the 1940's (when he was sort of a clerical style Franco/Salazar fascist), he has always been a slightly leftish Liberal.

radiorahim radiorahim's picture

The Liberals have always been about sprinkling a very thin layer of fairy dust around...just enough to keep social discontent under wraps so that folks don't look to more left-wing alternatives.

NorthReport

That is accurate

I remember Chrétien even musing on the subject of unemployment saying that if it went above a certain percentage there would be civil unrest so the Liberals had to keep it in check

JKR

radiorahim wrote:

The Liberals have always been about sprinkling a very thin layer of fairy dust around...just enough to keep social discontent under wraps so that folks don't look to more left-wing alternatives.

I agree that the Liberals role has been to move to the left as little as possible while representing the interests of the “bourgeoisie.” Since the Liberals represent something like 1/3rd of the electorate and the NDP much less than that, I think the left and NDP have to accept that the Liberals have to be a part of moving Canada in the right direction. I think tribal politics has often worked out well for the Liberals but has been a great detriment to the NDP and the left in Canada.

bekayne

Big if true:

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Big if not true.

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Big if true:

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