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WWWTT

kropotkin1951 wrote:

The only threat to Canada is from its Southern border and given that it goes from sea to sea and is shared with the most militarized country on the planet it is obvious we cannot defend ourselves no matter how much of our GNP we spend on weapons.

WWWTT you need to read about the War of 181 and the Fraser Canyon in the 1850's. Canada is now a vassal state of the US and is being asked to up the ante in its support of the global empire. The question is how much are we willing to pay as Canadians, for our share of the planetary plunder?

I think I get the jist of it kropotkin thanks.

This is a very difficult subject! The English French Americans and Portuguese Spanish and Dutch are the real invaders bringing war and death to the Americas! Perhaps it's better to refer to white Canada and US as the imperialist to seperate us from the Indiginous peoples.

Imperialist Canada and imperialist US have never been invaded raped murdered slaughtered humiliated dehumanized etc etc like India Nigeria South Africa Indonesia Syria Irag Afghanistan etc etc etc etc! I strongly believe that a countries peoples that has survived such horrific impacts may very well never want to inflict the same nightmares on other nations peoples.

Anyways, the focus for the imperialist Canadian military needs to shift from offensive NATO to defensive, more search and rescue orientated. A complete redifinition and approach is completely warranted! 

Perhaps fellow babblers can expand on this?

Pondering

WWWTT wrote:
 I strongly believe that a countries peoples that has survived such horrific impacts may very well never want to inflict the same nightmares on other nations peoples. 

I'm pretty sure that isn't true. It is just as likely that they want revenge. As far as I can tell it is the leaders of countries not their people who promote war. Canadians don't agitate for or demand troops be sent anywhere. It is always a selling job for whomever is in power. 

Most Canadians are not interested in what Canada is doing militarily. They assume we are always on the right side militarily. Those who are concerned are thinking of the cost in dollars and/or Canadian lives. Those who are vaguely in favor of Canadian military involvement consider it our duty to the international community to do our part and that if we don't it will hurt our relationships, in particular the relationship with the US. 

WWWTT wrote:

Anyways, the focus for the imperialist Canadian military needs to shift from offensive NATO to defensive, more search and rescue orientated. A complete redifinition and approach is completely warranted!   

The only way that can happen is if we turn the tide on neoliberalism and free market ideology and even then it is unlikely we will either leave NATO or the Five Eyes. 

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

I have expressed my thoughts on Canada's military needs in other threads, but not for a few years, so I'll voice my unpopular opinion again. I believe there is no serious military threat to Canada other than the U.S. Also, the U.S. is so powerful that any attempt to defend against them militarily would be suicidal. We are somewhat in the position of Alba Longa with respect to the early Roman empire. We share mostly the same history and culture, we are theoretically friends and allies, but in reality, we are merely a vassal state. As part of our imperial tribute, we are compelled to provide some military forces. In fact, those forces are fully integrated into the U.S. imperial war machine.

The clear conclusion for me is that what Canada needs for a military is the minimum the U.S. will let us get away with. I think that if any Canadian government were to attempt a truly independent foreign policy, one seriously at odds with imperial interests,  that government would quickly be overthrown, by military coup, or other less direct means. Then, democracy would be restored to Canada by a U.S. approved P.M. (Maybe someone like Mad Max?). If you think this is far-fetched, you should read up on John Diefenbaker and the Bomarc missile affair.

Of course, there are practical things that are done by the military, such as search and rescue, assisting in fire fighting and so on. We should spend as much of our military budget as possible on these practical uses, and as little as possible on the actual war making parts. We should carefully calculate how little we can spend on the military, and how independent our foreign policy can be without being squashed like a bug, and do the best we can under the circumstances.

Mobo2000

Agree 100%, well said.

Paladin1

NDPP wrote:

Of course they do. Just look at the wonders achieved by western troops there so far.

 

Yup they do. No denying the west fucked up and ruined the country. The also recognize the west is whats preventing them from getting steamrolled by ISIS again. They want us there to train them, help them against ISIS, give them modern equipment and of course give them money.

WWWTT wrote:

Anyways, the focus for the imperialist Canadian military needs to shift from offensive NATO to defensive, more search and rescue orientated. A complete redifinition and approach is completely warranted!

Is that search and rescue inside Canada or abroad?  Can we justify a budget of 20.6 billion (US) to rescue lost hikers and snowmobilers?

Michael Moriarity wrote:

 

Of course, there are practical things that are done by the military, such as search and rescue, assisting in fire fighting and so on. We should spend as much of our military budget as possible on these practical uses, and as little as possible on the actual war making parts. We should carefully calculate how little we can spend on the military, and how independent our foreign policy can be without being squashed like a bug, and do the best we can under the circumstances.

I find the military often gets thrown into duties/jobs/tasks like fighting fires and sandbagging floods and shoveling snow in Toronto because of a byproduct of military training, mobility, brainwashing and of course how we've trained to fight.

Specialists aside, that is actual military fire fighters or search and rescue technicians, we basically take people untrained in a job and throw them in feet first. Guys I know who helped with firefighting had no idea what the hell they were doing. Do we want to pay someone $68,000 a year to fill sandbags and drop them to make a dam?

I agree about the defense of Canada. Chances we're going to be attacked are pretty small.

The military remains a tool used by the government to project our national interests and remain relevant in world politics. The UN asks Canada to be involved in UN peacekeeping missions, not Andorra or Monaco.

 

NDPP

#132: 'How It Is': The Canadian Bootlicker who knows his place...

Paladin1

$32.7 billion

That'll buy a lot of sandbags and snow shovels for Toronto lol

NDPP

Trudeau Continues Canada's War in Iraq With Little Media Coverage

https://buff.ly/2Fk7WXr

"As of January 10, 2016, the United States, CANADA, Great Britain, France, Australia and several other countries had carried out 6,341 airstrikes in Iraq...In February, 2016, the Trudeau government announced it would be spending $1.6 billion in Iraq over the following three years. It now boasts in a media release that it has spent 'more than $2.1 billion' in the region. Where's the critical and contextual media coverage?"

There isn't any. 

NDPP

Canadian Soldiers Carry Guns in 'Full Fighting Order' at Toronto's Khalsa Day

https://globalnews.ca/news/5223262/canadian-soldiers-unmuzzled-weapons-k...

"The forces called it 'misguided."

Banana republic.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

NDPP wrote:

Canadian Soldiers Carry Guns in 'Full Fighting Order' at Toronto's Khalsa Day

https://globalnews.ca/news/5223262/canadian-soldiers-unmuzzled-weapons-k...

"The forces called it 'misguided."

Banana republic.

Its getting harder and harder to keep up the facade when you live in the belly of the beast. Those soldiers are what many people in various parts of the world think of when they hear the phrase Canadian soldier. In other countries the guns are loaded and potentially usable against any of the nearby population who do not collaborate with our heroic invaders.

NorthReport

Michael Post #154

Well said!

NDPP

CAF in Ukraine

https://twitter.com/CAFinUkraine/status/1149955680734011394

"Canada-Ukraine, brotherhood of paratroopers, brotherhood of warriors!  #OpUNIFIER "

Remember the Airborne...

NDPP

"Brave, courageous, selfless. Honored to join these Canadian Forces members at the Embassy and thank them for their service to US military units and operations under US military command." - US Amb Kelly Craft [newly named by Trump, US ambassador to the UN]

https://twitter.com/USAmbCanada/status/1151227042136035328

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