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Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

OK...here is MY favorite result of the night...Ruth Ellen Brasseau, she of the Las Vegas mid-campaign vacation, WON by ten points!

I hope they play "Vacation" by the Go-Go's as she comes in to make her victory speech!

Roscoe

Jack and Olivia will look good in Stornoway and the NDP will gain mucho funding from the toonie per vote subsidy. Great opportunity to get air play in the media as the Official Opposition also.

Lots of positives from this election. Quit whining, pull your tails out from between your legs and get on with the job. Over a hundred seats is a great leap forward.

 

 

George Victor

alan smithee wrote:

Hey,George...The 2 words I just directed at Canada are directed at you too.

Whatever...You don't like it?..Tough...Get used to it because you're going to hear alot more of it in the upcoming 5 years.

Spoken like an internationalist, to the core..And a true Canuck. Wink

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

simonvallee wrote:

 Expect sovereignty talks to resume in Québec.

Can not happen soon enough for me.

josh

N.Beltov wrote:

Fred Wilson in a column just before today remarked that the NDP success could be a door opener for the left in Canada. I have to admit that I've always focused on the other side of things; how a strong left would invariably help the NDP.But Wilson's point is a good one. Opposition to the Harper regime in Parliament will be led by the NDP and that will be significantly different from the milqtoast Liberals. This may open things in a leftward direction.

 

 

Simpson made the same point about how the collapse of the Liberals in England led to Tory dominance. 

sanizadeh

Did you anyone seriously preferred the previous parliament - A CPC minority essentially getting its way on everything by the opposition Liberals - to a majority CPC with a strong NDP as opposition? The CPC majority was here before this election - aided and enabled by Liberals. Now the NDP replaces LPC as official opposition and gets the chance to get its message out.

As for those blaming Ontario: it does not seem like NDP was focusing on Ontario in any way. The party's campaign was very weak or non existent in GTA subrubs. You want the votes, you will have to start showing up.

Jacob Richter

N.Beltov wrote:
Fred Wilson in a column just before today remarked that the NDP success could be a door opener for the left in Canada.

If it's to the left of the NDP and drops Bastard Keynesianism even on the level of social reforms, then I'm in.

George Victor

josh wrote:

The Cons are almost at 50% in BC.  The Liberals at 12%.  More proof of Liberal shift to the Cons.

 

The two have really been interchangeable in B.C. since 1952.

Unionist

Boom Boom wrote:

An NDP surge gave us a Harper majority. I'm going to remember that, and Quebec will, too.

I think you'll see it differently tomorrow, after looking at the results and the numbers. The reason for the NDP surge in Québec was - ironically - an uprising against Harper, an uprising of the youth, and all of a sudden, a determination to be doing something positive in Ottawa rather than just haggling over how many billions of dollars Ottawa "owes" us. There was, simply, no such movement in the rest of Canada. But that will change.

 

N.Beltov N.Beltov's picture

Is Elizabeth May still leading in Saanich Gulf Islands?

Bacchus

Yup quite ahead

 

KenS

Ciabatta2 wrote:

For the first time, people voted en masse for the NDP.

And the result is a Conservative majority.  

The problem here is the narrative circle has been completed, and proven true.

So they were right - of course, for the wrong reasons (we know it ain't the NDP vote that's resulting in newly elected Cons) - but the 'wrong reasons' well no one will care about.  NDP swing equalled a Harper majority.

That's going to be hard to overcome

I suppose I should just let people moan in peace.

And I know that this is not something you want to be true.... that this is some notion of 'relism'.

But its not. Sure, lots of people will say it. But does it matter any more? Like, so what.

And we do not yet have the information to tell us what were the critical factors in this outcome- just people jumping to conclusions along deeply rutted paths.

Incorrect

alan smithee wrote:

I like how CTV reported the soveriegnty movement as 'obliterated'

This is an English Canada government.

There's going to be alot of unrest in Quebec when this government lets loose.

Which is fine by me.

I don't want anything to do with this new Canada.

I always sympathized with the sovereignty movement....Now I find myself officially in favour of Independance.

Another referendum can't come soon enough.

Fuck you,Canada.

I completely agree. As a Quebecer, I am more and more disgusted with English Canada. I see it as an annex of the United States. I will stay in Quebec if it separates(which is now increasingly likely), even though I am an Anglophone. I am more comfortable with Quebecoise political culture than I am with that of English Canada.

Stephen Harper now knows that he can get a majority without Quebec. We are fucked.

 

Jacob Two-Two

I hope Quebecers have the foresight not to waste their time playing with the sovereignty issue again. This was a massive push forward for left-wing values, which are Quebec values. They can talk endlessly about jumping ship to no real purpose, or they can be the leader of a Canadian movement to seize this momentum and build a better country with all those english Canadians who share their values. There are an awful lot of us.

gyor

The irony is that stradgegic voting happened- Rightwing Liberals to the conservitives!

Btw Iggy is staying! The Liberal party will split in half.

N.Beltov N.Beltov's picture

about E may - This is good, right? I mean, I can think of better alternatives but I'd rather see her in Parliament than another slimy Conservative.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

The NDP won 60 seats in Quebec.

The Cons won 6.

Clearly,the vast majority of Quebeckers (we're talking about 80%) reject Harper and his 'Conservatives'

How do you think this English Canadian government that was rejected by 8 out of every 10 Quebec voter is going to play out?

When I read on the CTV page the declaration that the sovereignty movement has been 'obliterated',it reminded me of how out of touch English Canada is about everything Quebec.

I'm going to give it a year before the sovereignty debate is rekindled and the Independance movement heats up.

And I look forward to it.

Uncle John

E May is doing well with 46% of the vote according to the elections canada website. She is 10% ahead of the Tory so it looks good for her...

Jacob Two-Two

But why? The next election could be the one where the NDP takes government. Wouldn't that be a better result to work for than a positive result in another referendum that nobody can be exactly sure would mean anything? Personally I don't think the new Quebec generation sees the value in that.

Uncle John

Libs will split into 3:

Conservative Liberal Liberal Conservatives -> Tories

Progressive Liberals -> NDP

Independent Liberals -> To Carry On

thorin_bane

I don't know I am considering moving to quebec and helping to separate from the rest of this stupid country. Oh and unionist, there has never been successful strategic voting. But you will play semantics, so in some mysterious land that had people who knew how to vote that way and honest vote swapping happened. Then yes it could have helped in ENOUGH instances to stop a con majority. However in Ontario I saw way more strategic voting to the right than anything else. Liberals so terrified of commie NDP decided to vote harper. The polliing companies didn't even come close. Ekos should just stop. They missed the cons by 7%(nationally) Thats is 20% differnece of the con vote share.

George Victor

Unionist wrote:

Boom Boom wrote:

An NDP surge gave us a Harper majority. I'm going to remember that, and Quebec will, too.

I think you'll see it differently tomorrow, after looking at the results and the numbers. The reason for the NDP surge in Québec was - ironically - an uprising against Harper, an uprising of the youth, and all of a sudden, a determination to be doing something positive in Ottawa rather than just haggling over how many billions of dollars Ottawa "owes" us. There was, simply, no such movement in the rest of Canada. But that will change.

 

Indeed. And it will be driven by an economy that's going south.

remind remind's picture

Never thought I would ever say; goooooooooooo Elizabeth go............hope her lead holds.

Vansterdam Kid

Roscoe wrote:

Jack and Olivia will look good in Stornoway and the NDP will gain mucho funding from the toonie per vote subsidy. Great opportunity to get air play in the media as the Official Opposition also.

Lots of positives from this election. Quit whining, pull your tails out from between your legs and get on with the job. Over a hundred seats is a great leap forward.

 

 

Cons said they're scrapping the subsidy if they won re-election. The NDP needs to take a page out of their more sucessful provincial sections books' and up the fundraising themselves, cause they can't rely on that money. They should also do that because I'm sure the Cons will try to continue the 'Americanization' of Canadian politics by running attack ads in mid-election period. A Conservative majority means the rest of us need to step up our game as individuals and if we can afford it donate, not necessarilly to the NDP if you don't want to, but to progressive organizations that oppose the Cons and have and will have their funding cut.

adma

Look, everyone: don't moan so much.  This *could* be an opportunity--that is, for the NDP to be taken seriously as an option in places it wasn't taken seriously before (f'rinstance, outer-416/905 ethnoburbia; if it weren't for wonky infrastructure from years of being treated as an electoral third leg, the NDP might have done better still).

Hit the ground running.  Build on the foundation.  Keep moaning, and you'll *never* be ready for prime time.

Pogo Pogo's picture

The Liberal caucus has a lot of low profle candidates.  After Cotler, Rae, Trudeau and Goodale there are not many household names.

KenS

Looks like Elizabeth May is way ahead. Has no one declared her winner?

If not, maybe because they have no projection history to

Lefauve

Tiny Question,

 

We in quebec is starting to talk about a new referendum comming asap.

Is the progressive canadian are going to move to quebec in exile after a winning referendum?

 

M. Spector M. Spector's picture
KenS

I didnt think May had much chance of winning- although I revised that a lot when the broad shift hit.

But I was more sure the GPC national vote share was going to take a big hit. Looks like it.

al-Qa'bong

Elizabeth May won a seat?

Does this mean that girls can attend the next televised leaders' debate?

North Shore

SGI has been called by the Globe in favour of MAy, according to twitter.

George Victor

Lefauve wrote:

Tiny Question,

 

We in quebec is starting to talk about a new referendum comming asap.

Is the progressive canadian are going to move to quebec in exile after a winning referendum?

 

Those in the family who speak french have hinted at that in the past.Smile 

Lefauve

Let claim a two turn system for the next election and force it to the governement with a referendum with this question :

 ___________________________________

| Do you want a two turn system ?     |

|                                                   |

| ( ) Yes                                        |

| ( ) No                                          |

|__________________________________|

 

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

All those new NDP MPs here in Quebec - does anyone know how they stand on an independent Quebec? I hope someone does a canvass.

 

ETA: I'm wondering if the huge NDP win here might be because the BQ hasn't been pushing sovereingty hard enough. I guess the best hope for us here in Quebec is a PQ sweep in the next provincial election.

Vansterdam Kid

gyor wrote:
The irony is that stradgegic voting happened- Rightwing Liberals to the conservitives! Btw Iggy is staying! The Liberal party will split in half.

That's gonna be hard if he doesn't get re-elected in Etobicoke-Lakeshore.

sanizadeh

Lefauve wrote:

Tiny Question,

We in quebec is starting to talk about a new referendum comming asap.

Is the progressive canadian are going to move to quebec in exile after a winning referendum?

Why a province that is being ruled by a centre-right party with occasional strong showing by fringe far right parties, and with a recent rise in anti-immigrant attitude, should be considered a refuge for progressives?

Quebecers may have been voting sort of progressive at federal level, but at provincial level (which matters if a refrendum is ever won) they are hardly doing much better than most other Canadian provinces.

Vansterdam Kid

adma wrote:

Look, everyone: don't moan so much.  This *could* be an opportunity--that is, for the NDP to be taken seriously as an option in places it wasn't taken seriously before (f'rinstance, outer-416/905 ethnoburbia; if it weren't for wonky infrastructure from years of being treated as an electoral third leg, the NDP might have done better still).

Hit the ground running.  Build on the foundation.  Keep moaning, and you'll *never* be ready for prime time.

Yeah, true enough.

George Victor

2sanizadeh

The Quebec electorate know how to hold provincial political feet to the fire, don't they.  I wonder if asbestos boots are in order for federal New Democrats?

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

Maysie wrote:
FUCK

^^^
THIS

Ontario, you and me, we're through. Québec, je t'aime comme toujours. 

adma

I'm noticing one loss in Ontario (Tony Martin)--and as I was allowing for, the NDP vaulting into 2nd (and the Greens in 4th!) in BGOS...

Lefauve

sanizadeh wrote:

Lefauve wrote:

Tiny Question,

We in quebec is starting to talk about a new referendum comming asap.

Is the progressive canadian are going to move to quebec in exile after a winning referendum?

Why a province that is being ruled by a centre-right party with occasional strong showing by fringe far right parties, and with a recent rise in anti-immigrant atitude, should be considered a refuge for progressives?

Quebecors may have been voting sort of progressive at federal level, but at provincial level (which matters if a refrendum is ever won) they are hardly doing much better than most other Canadian provinces.

 

For your information, about immigration, the question is not if we like immigration or not, it about if we got the resource that are required to welcome them properly. Before they come we must ensure that we got enough  job for them, second we must think of the probability of successful integration. We don't want other ghetto to appear because we didn't do the job well. For refuges we analyses  how much there live are in danger. Live in danger = Open door for most of them no question about integration or other file just criminal case  for Quebec (Canada) crime.

for the right wing they are always a noisy minority.

 

WyldRage

I've always told my brother: the NDP's popularity in Québec will bring out the consevatives in the ROC, and give Harper his majority. I told him nearly 200 seats, it's not that bad, but it's close enough.

Today, Canada has rejected Québec.

bagkitty bagkitty's picture

al-Qa'bong wrote:

Elizabeth May won a seat?

Does this mean that girls can attend the next televised leaders' debate?

Well, technically she will be considered pretty much an independent in Parliament, Green (singular) won't have official party status unless pretty much everyone else decides to bend the rules for her (and I can imagine her outrage if they don't). Did the Greens crack 5% nationally? Same will apply to the BQ, although they have a better case for the rules being bent in their favour. But hard to see it happening for one and not the other... unless Harper is feeling particularly vindictive that day and awards it to Green (singular) and not Bloc (plural).

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

I am really curious, though, about all these new NDP MPs in Quebec. Are they pro-sovereignists or not?

al-Qa'bong

Why would they be?

Pogo Pogo's picture

I think you will find that the NDP in Quebec has a history of strong support for language and cultural issues, but within a federalist model.

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

al-Qa'bong wrote:

Why would they be?

I was hoping they (and the electorate) found the BQ to be not hardline enough in calling for Quebec independence. Wink

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

The last results I saw for Montreal is that the Cons streak of not winning a seat in Montreal lives on.

Remember when Canadians were united in their almost arrogant feeling of superiority over our American neighbours for electing Bush twice?

Well,Canada has elected George Bush 3 times now.

So,the key to a majority government in Canada is...

Relentless attack ads.

Sticking to relentless buzz words and slogans.

Never taking questions from the public or media without first approving them.

Staying away from debates.

Pathological lying.

Proroguing Parliament twice when faced with tough questions that may hurt the brand.

De-funding any and every group that does not share the party's agenda.

Firing and assassinating the character of any whistle blowers.

Spending a billion dollars on the biggest mass arrest in Canadian history.

Pissing away years of billion dollar surpluses and creating the country's biggest debt and deficit - ever.

Taking credit for the health of our economic system when it was our REGULATIONS that saved our ass....The same regulations that will soon be scrapped.

Scandal after scandal after scandal.

Convincing the country that it is in their best interest to build a military supremist police state no matter what the cost,who will suffer or that it will ultimately FAIL.

Cozy up to the Tea Party.

Tell environmentalists to piss off.

And finally,turn the nation of Canada into a bastardized American State governed by Christian fundamentalist lunatics,Straussians and Ayn Rand/Ronald Reagen worshippers.

This is the darkest day in Canadian history.

 

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Pogo wrote:

I think you will find that the NDP in Quebec has a history of strong support for language and cultural issues, but within a federalist model.

I hope these novice NDP MPs turn out to be strongly anti-federalist. That's our best hope. Tongue out

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