Even 57% of New Dems Polled said the Tories are performing average or better
December 6, 2011 - 7:27pm
Even 57% of New Dems polled rate Harper's perfromance average or better? What is up with that?
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Link to poll here http://www.nanosresearch.com/library/polls/POLNAT-F11-T523E.pdf
"A Canadian Spring"? WTF?
I have been thinking about this since I posted. In some ways, it is really just like what happened with the Libs. As long as the economy "seemed ok", it did't matter how many protestors Jean Chretien beatup, or poor kids Paul Martin starved.
Nanos is some U.S. professor trying to prove that Harper is doing a fine job licking the backside of Obama. That's about the sum total of the significance of this so-called poll. Why not just ignore it and be happy?
Unionist, even if you are right, this is still scary. As I said, as long people think they are doing all right, they don't care.
Given the most Canadian's view of government - average- isn't exactly a ringing endorsement. If they all suck - than this government, for most people, will seem "average".
I'm pretty sure that I saw a poll a while back that also showed many self-identified New Democrats and Liberals voted for Rob Ford in the 2010 municipal election.
Whatever way you vote, perhaps not everyone who votes your way is well informed.
That is a fair comment.
Crap, with the Toronto Star insulting us with the idea that George "Tammany Hall North" Smitherman was a "progressive" candidate, I would have been sorely tempted to vote for Ford out of sheer spite.
The Tories are doing well by comparasson. The European leaders look downright incompetent, and the American system is showing disfunction at every turn.
If the U.S. and Europe weren't in constant crisis, the polls would be looking very different.
Very apt.
Part of that is messaging too. The tories and the media have been selling the message that 'at least things aren't as bad as Europe' and people are swallowing it. Maybe they aren't as bad as Greece, but things are still bad, and getting worse.
The left hasn't really been articulating that very well.
As long as the Harper government continues doing nothing noteworthy while abandoning their environmental obligations to the rest of the world, Canada's colonial-extractive economy should continue to crawl along at an unremarkable snail's pace. The world will always need our naturally occurring raw materials not the phony majority Harpers. Canadians would replace Steve in minute if they could figure out what it is that he does.
Just because someone votes NDP, or are considering voting NDP, doesn't mean they agree with a number of their policies. A lot of people don't pay attention to politics during an election let alone after one. I'd probably say the three big things that Harper has done since May are the changes to the Canadian Wheat Board, the gun registry and the crime bill. The now former NDP leader of Saskatchewan didn't agree with the CWB as a private businessman, some NDP MPs supported getting rid of the gun registry, and I bleive the Manitoba government supports most of the crime bill. The government still hasn't been in long enough for people to get upset.
Even 57% of New Dems polled rate Harper's perfromance average or better? What is up with that?
Check the headings for each category again, Arthur. You seem to be confusing New Democrats' enthusiasm for "general direction" of the country with the more specific first one about "how's the PM doing"...
And I think the ship is in danger of sailing by the lee again, too much concern for the navigator's skills. Check the mainbrace.
Gaian:
No surprises here.
Maybe a bit dissapointing, but only a bit... given what is being measured.
This is a very nebulous 'feel good' [or not] survey.
That said, it does indicate some things we cannot like.
** The Harper government is included in the 'feel pretty good'- not in some one to one manner, but there nonetheless.
** I think people are right that the 'think our country's standing has im proved' feeling is simply a reflection of the turmoil everywhere else. [Containing more than a hint of smugness... which in turn wraps a delusion of being even releatively insulated.] It is NOT in practice a direct answer to the question of Canada's actually standing in the world.... to which the majority of folks are at all times pretty indifferent and/or ignorant. Nothing new there, and nothing to do with this government one way or the other.
The poll looks to me like an accurate reflection of what I see day to day 'on the street'.
To many of us the general thrust is no surprise at all. And to those for whom it is, it is a reminder that people support the NDP for a lot of reasons... having only SOME overlap with reasons typical to people on this board.
For what it's worth, there is even more of a warning about the lack of reach of social movements.... where effects on a mass scale are generally only significant on an issue by issue basis. And those kind of focused issue concerns do not even show up indirectly in questions like this, or in most people's 'big picture thinking'.