Federal NDP candidates for 2019 federal election

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laine lowe laine lowe's picture

Ken, that last post is amazing. It is exactly how I feel about the whole situation. Why must we always walk on egg shells when it comes to Israeli politics. Does criticizing the Saudi Arabian government equal islamaphobia? I should hope not. The government of Israel does not represent every Jewish person in the world and doesn't necessarily represent all of the opinions of their own constituents. Not everyone in the US believes in Trump's worldview or decisions.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

So Stockholm do you think that Jews Against Zionism are anti-Semitic? I read her post and frankly it was extremely anti-Israeli and said nothing about Jewish people at all. She compared the current racist regime to one that killed a previous generation of Jewish people so what is exactly anti-Semitic about that. Would it have been alright if they were compared to gulags or Afrikaner concentration camps? It is the racist European settler Israelis that despise Palestinians that are anti-Semitic. Palestinians are Semites as well just in case you don't get that.

bekayne

laine lowe wrote:

Ken, that last post is amazing. It is exactly how I feel about the whole situation. Why must we always walk on egg shells when it comes to Israeli politics. Does criticizing the Saudi Arabian government equal islamaphobia? I should hope not. The government of Israel does not represent every Jewish person in the world and doesn't necessarily represent all of the opinions of their own constituents. Not everyone in the US believes in Trump's worldview or decisions.

Ditto.

Aristotleded24

I just replied to one of the incessant NDP fundraising e-mails with this angry message:

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Dear Melissa,

 

I am very angry with your decision to dump Rana Zaman as the NDP Candidate in Dartmouth-Cole Harbour. There are a number of problems with it. There is the issue of free speech. I actually saw the tweet in question. It was extreme, and yes some people will take offense to it. However if you read the comment sections of any public news site, people who advocate a fairer redistribution of taxes are often deemed offensive. Should they be barred from running? There is the issue of honesty and integrity in politics. You talk to the average person who isn't in any political bubble, and one of the things they hate about politicians is that they seem to parrot party lines and not be free to say what is really on their minds. It also makes us afraid to take a stand. People respect politicians who they feel take brave stances and speak the truth, even if they disagree with the substance of what that politician says. If we can't argue our positions with confidence, why should we ask the public to have confidence in us? I agree that there are common things we should agree to as New Democrats, however discussions at the local levels and policy conventions are the proper venues to have those discussions. Take what happened in the last Ontario election. Some NDP candidates there received bad press from comments they had made on social media. Were they dumped? They were not. Instead, the response from the Ontario NDP was that while we all agree on the major policy items in the platform, everyone has different opinions and will express them. The controversies faded away. Indeed, sometimes dumping a candidate for controversial remarks generates more negative press than the comments themselves. Finally, it is disrespectful to the local membership. They decided that Zaman should be the candidate. Will some of them feel disillusioned and not work for the NDP, or worse, work for the NDP's opponents? Take the case of Paul Manley, who wasn't even allowed to run under the NDP banner over things he said. He ended up running for the Greens and actually winning on the second try. Regardless of the fact that Chamberlain was a good candidate, the NDP frankly deserved to lose that riding. That seat could still have been ours if we hadn't chased Manley away.

 

I live in Winnipeg Centre, and will do everything I can to elect Leah Gazan as the next MP for that area. However, as long as the federal party continues to disrespect local constituencies in this manner, it can definitely NOT count on receiving any of what little money I make. I would hope that the NDP would learn from this and find a way to respect the grassroots voices they claim to represent.

robbie_dee

“Under Erin Weir’s shadow, Regina Lewvan NDP members prepare to choose candidate next Thursday (Regina Leader Post)

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NDP members in Regina—Lewvan will meet Thursday to nominate a successor to Erin Weir, whose expulsion has prompted resignations from the riding association executive and disillusionment about the party’s chances to hold a hard-won seat.

Riding association president Susan Butson said it was a struggle to even get the event organized on time. Even before Weir announced last month that he would not run again in the October election, the executive was reaching out to potential candidates.

Though a few have expressed interest, only one candidate has been approved to seek the nomination. Jigar Patel, a local businessman who owns three grocery stores, passed through the vetting process earlier this month.

If no one else is approved by Thursday, Patel will be acclaimed to face off against Conservative nominee Warren Steinley and Liberal candidate Winter Fedyk, who is expected to be acclaimed at a July meeting.

Weir won the riding by only 132 votes in 2015, and Butson expressed considerable doubt about the NDP’s chances without him.

“I can’t see us winning, but you never say never until the ballots are in,” she said.

“Jigar is going to have a really tough fight on his hands.”

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

bekayne wrote:

laine lowe wrote:

Ken, that last post is amazing. It is exactly how I feel about the whole situation. Why must we always walk on egg shells when it comes to Israeli politics. Does criticizing the Saudi Arabian government equal islamaphobia? I should hope not. The government of Israel does not represent every Jewish person in the world and doesn't necessarily represent all of the opinions of their own constituents. Not everyone in the US believes in Trump's worldview or decisions.

Ditto.

Thanks to you both for that.

bekayne

Ken Burch wrote:

bekayne wrote:

laine lowe wrote:

Ken, that last post is amazing. It is exactly how I feel about the whole situation. Why must we always walk on egg shells when it comes to Israeli politics. Does criticizing the Saudi Arabian government equal islamaphobia? I should hope not. The government of Israel does not represent every Jewish person in the world and doesn't necessarily represent all of the opinions of their own constituents. Not everyone in the US believes in Trump's worldview or decisions.

Ditto.

Thanks to you both for that.

Shucks, Laine Lowe did all the work.

brookmere

Debater wrote:
Stockholm is correct.  I went and looked at the tweet that Frank Magazine dug up and sent to the NDP.Rana Zaman made a tweet that went over the line and compared the Israelis to the Nazis and said they were aiming to beat the Nazi total of 6 million dead and referred to Auschwitz:

Gratuitously using the Holocaust to criticise a country trivializes the deaths of over 6 million people - and it is a country whose citizens hold a wide variety of views that was named, not a regime. That the country is largely populated by those who survived the Holocaust and their descendants makes it worse, but it's wrong to start with.

There is a really big difference between comparing the policies of the current Israeli government to apartheid (which I first thought was the issue) and this.

robbie_dee

The NDP could nominate Canada’s AOC in Parkdale-High Park tomorrow (Post Milennial)

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A looming conflict on Canada’s left wing- between the old guard who wishes to hug the centre and the younger, more radical edge enamoured with the populist left politics of Jeremy Corbyn, Bernie Sanders, and Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez- will play itself out in a nomination meeting in downtown Toronto this weekend. 

The stakes are far higher than just who will carry the NDP banner into October’s federal election. After years of being quieted by heavy-handed central executives and old-guard union bosses, the outsiders might finally have found a way in. 

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There couldn’t be a more obvious choice for Team Third Way than [Tom Parkin] who proclaimed Andrea Horwath to be “the new centre of Ontario politics” midway through last year’s provincial election campaign. And so, panicked activists are climbing over each other to support Parkin’s two challengers: Nonprofit superstar Paul M. Taylor and human rights lawyer and upstart Toronto Mayoral candidate Saron Gebresellassi.

While Taylor has sewn up high-profile endorsements from Paul Lewis and Naomi Klein, and has been talking up a Green New Deal for Canada, Gebresellassi commandeered a debate stage, outshining Jennifer Keesmaat (the victim of yet another thrown-together, centrally planned and terminally timid campaign) by going after Toronto’s police budget and using exactly the kind of language that would trigger the right to do it.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

brookmere wrote:

That the country is largely populated by those who survived the Holocaust and their descendants makes it worse, but it's wrong to start with.

There is a really big difference between comparing the policies of the current Israeli government to apartheid (which I first thought was the issue) and this.

This is part of the Israeli mythology that is relied on to silence its critics. It would seem that about 150,000 of the 9,000,000 are survivors.  Many of the actual survivors have publicly voiced their opposition to this states genocidal policies. What I find really disgusting is murderous genocidal racists, currently using a sophisticated military to terrorize a civilian population, having the chutzpah to appropriate the holocaust survivors story.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/holocaust-survivors...

https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Only-26200-Holocaust-survivors-will-be...

NDPP

A Special Message To Toronto's Jewish Community From Israeli President Reuven Rivlin

"I came here to thank you for your support for Israel. Canada supports us also because of you and their relations with you and because of your ability to make the case for the Zionist movement in the Land of Israel."

http://rabble.ca/comment/5576466#comment-5576466

How many 'Walks With Israel',  'Spirit of Hopes', free junkets for MPs including NDP members, hundreds of millions fund-raised for Friends of the IDF  and Zionist political pressure campaigns need to be mounted by this lobby before NDP members begin to take concrete actions to stop Canadian-based support for Apartheid Israel and its Palestinian genocide? No more free passes or active collaboration from the NDP while Palestine dies. ENOUGH already! 

brookmere

kropotkin1951 wrote:
This is part of the Israeli mythology that is relied on to silence its critics.

Claiming that Israel plans to outdo the Nazis and kill over 6 million people isn't criticism, it's hatemongering.

This sort of thing simply provides ammunition to Israeli government supporters who claim that those offerring legitimate criticism of Isreal's actual actions are movtivated by anti-Semitism.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

The Israeli government has forever forfeited any right to invoke the legacy of the Holocaust as justification for its actions due to its indefensible treatment of Holocaust survivors living in Israel  https://www.timesofisrael.com/state-comptroller-slams-government-over-ho...

Israel SHOULD have been the one place on the planet where those tormented, traumatized people could count on unambiguous empathy and support.  Instead, there's been this.  

Inexcusable.

Shane Dyson

Selected June 22:
Stacey Wakelin — Langley-Aldergrove
Madeleine Sauve — Abbotsford

Debater

It was announced tonight that the new NDP candidate for Parkdale-High Park is Paul Taylor (Food Share Toronto):

https://twitter.com/phpndp/status/1142959507988975616

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

brookmere wrote:

kropotkin1951 wrote:
This is part of the Israeli mythology that is relied on to silence its critics.

Claiming that Israel plans to outdo the Nazis and kill over 6 million people isn't criticism, it's hatemongering.

This sort of thing simply provides ammunition to Israeli government supporters who claim that those offerring legitimate criticism of Isreal's actual actions are movtivated by anti-Semitism.

There are 13 million Palestinians and over 4 million of them are refugees some of them for more than one generation. If you count direct murders the Israeli's since 2000 have only murdered about ten thousand so no those are not gas chamber numbers. However if you listen to elected Israeli officials some of them talk like NAZI's who want to invoke the final solution. The Gaza Strip is an open air prison with living conditions that are killing people in a genocidal fashion. If the despicable politicians who are responsible for these human rights violations can wrap themselves in the Holocaust then they deserve to be compared to the NAZI's.

 

brookmere

You have just demonstrated that the facts are more than adequate for anyone wishing to criticise the Israeli government's policies towards Palestinians.

Resorting to lunatic exaggerations simply gives fair minded people the impression that advocates for the Palestinian cause are motivated by hatred, not fairness, which of course is one of the goals of the Israeli government.

 

Badriya

brookmere wrote:

You have just demonstrated that the facts are more than adequate for anyone wishing to criticise the Israeli government's policies towards Palestinians.

Resorting to lunatic exaggerations simply gives fair minded people the impression that advocates for the Palestinian cause are motivated by hatred, not fairness, which of course is one of the goals of the Israeli government.

 

I may have misunderstood your comment, but I assume you are addressing Kropotkin1951 and that you are referring to the photos with quotations when you say “resorting to lunatic exaggerations simply gives fair minded people the impression that advocates for the Palestinian cause are motivated by hatred, not fairness, which of course is one of the goals of the Israeli government.” Sadly each of these quotes is real. “beat them up” https://www.theatlantic.com/daily-dish/archive/2010/07/quote-for-the-day... “beasts” https://www.timesofisrael.com/new-deputy-defense-minister-called-palesti... “cut off his head” https://www.salon.com/2016/05/19/israels_new_defense_minister_avigdor_li... “snakes” https://israel-palestine-dialogue.blogspot.com/2014/08/killing-snakes-pa... “Middle Ages” www.digitaljournal.com/article/337132

BetterOnTheLeft

Vancouver Centre is shapping into a race; Hedy Fry is still running from what I see, so it's all up hill, but the NDP cast of candidates looks good!

David CJones - Actor, director, producer, comedian, and filmmaker
Morgane Oger - BCNDP VicePresident, BCNDP 2017 candidate in Van-False Creek, 2019 Trustee Candidate, consultant
Breen Ouelette - Indigenous Lawyer, previously a Director of IT for the Metis Nation in SASK

I think the favourite, or most well known, would be Oger; she would also likely garner the most national media attention as well. 

Debater

I think Vancouver Centre will become more competitive after Hedy Fry retires.

She had a narrow win in 2011, but if she didn't lose in the Ignatieff wipeout, I don't think she's in danger in 2019.

There will be lots of interesting races in BC -- it's an important province for all 4 parties -- Libs, Greens, Cons, & NDP.

brookmere

Badriya wrote:
I may have misunderstood your comment, but I assume you are addressing Kropotkin1951 and that you are referring to the photos with quotations when you say “resorting to lunatic exaggerations simply gives fair minded people the impression that advocates for the Palestinian cause are motivated by hatred, not fairness, which of course is one of the goals of the Israeli government.”

Absolutely not. It should be clear to anyone who has read my previous comments that I was talking about the claim that "Israel wants to outdo the Nazis and murder over 6 million people." Since you have said you may have misunderstood I will accept that you are commenting without malice.

Debater

Nicholas Tabah has withdrawn as the NDP candidate for Bécancour—Nicolet—Saurel.  He was the NDP candidate in 2015.  This is the riding held since 1984 by Louis Plamondon, who is 75 now and running once again.  It will be interesting to see what happens here when Louis Plamondon retires.

https://www.soreltracy.com/2019/mai/31m.html

NDPP

Re: Rana Zaman - Ex NDP Candidate

"In 2018, one of the world's most respected intellectuals, Noam Chomsky (who is Jewish), warned of the rise of 'Judeo-Nazi' tendencies in Israel. By Bnai Brith Canada's absurd reading, Prof Chomsky is an anti-Semite..."

https://twitter.com/dimitrilascaris/status/1144427111924588545

brookmere

NDPP wrote:

Re: Rana Zaman - Ex NDP Candidate

"In 2018, one of the world's most respected intellectuals, Noam Chomsky (who is Jewish), warned of the rise of 'Judeo-Nazi' tendencies in Israel".

Another attempt to evade the question. Warning about "tendencies" is a very long way from claiming that "Israelis want to outdo the Nazis and kill over 6 million people". As well he isn't a candidate for office so his views can't be attributed to a political party.

So who thinks that it's OK for an NDP candidate to claim that "Israelis want to outdo the Nazis and kill over 6 million people"? Just a "yes" or "no" will do.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

brookmere wrote:

NDPP wrote:

Re: Rana Zaman - Ex NDP Candidate

"In 2018, one of the world's most respected intellectuals, Noam Chomsky (who is Jewish), warned of the rise of 'Judeo-Nazi' tendencies in Israel".

Another attempt to evade the question. Warning about "tendencies" is a very long way from claiming that "Israelis want to outdo the Nazis and kill over 6 million people". As well he isn't a candidate for office so his views can't be attributed to a political party.

So who thinks that it's OK for an NDP candidate to claim that "Israelis want to outdo the Nazis and kill over 6 million people"? Just a "yes" or "no" will do.

She apologized for the quote in question within 24 hours.  If she did that, why is this still even an issue?

josh

There's was nothng anti-Semitic about the post.  Engaging in hyperbole against a political state is not opposition to a religion or an ethnicity.  Even if it wasn't hyperbole, it's not anti-Semitism.  Attacking a political state, any political state, is political.

Good to see it's the same old NDP.

brookmere

Ken Burch wrote:
She apologized for the quote in question within 24 hours.  If she did that, why is this still even an issue

You could ask the same about other candidates, from all parties, who have been sacked after making intemperate comments online. The parties just don't want to carry this kind of baggage into an election. Unfortuntely, politics is unforgiving.

Debater

Radio Canada journalist Louis Blouin reports that former PQ health minister Réjean Hébert will run in Longueuil–Saint-Hubert for the Liberals.  It will be interesting to see the race between him and NDP MP Pierre Nantel.

https://twitter.com/ICILouisBlouin/status/1148313169871421440

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

Debater wrote:

Radio Canada journalist Louis Blouin reports that former PQ health minister Réjean Hébert will run in Longueuil–Saint-Hubert for the Liberals.  It will be interesting to see the race between him and NDP MP Pierre Nantel.

https://twitter.com/ICILouisBlouin/status/1148313169871421440

So...the man is now running for a party which is implacably opposed to the cause championed by the party he USED to run for.

Who does he think he is-this year's Ross Thatcher?

pietro_bcc

Last election the Liberals accused the NDP of having closet sovereigntists as candidates and of pandering to them. Now the Liberals are running PQ cabinet ministers XD

swallow swallow's picture

Surprising that Hebert is not running in his home town, Sherbrooke. 

Mighty Middle

CTV is reporting a tally of the number of candidates each party has nominated so far

Conservatives - 313

Maxime Berniers' Party - 278

Liberals - 221

Greens - 134

NDP - 115

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hExDbN0dhc8

Debater

NDP needs to pick up the pace.  They seem to be farther behind this year compared to 2015.

And whatever may be said about the Conservatives, they do have an impressive machine.  (Although I didn't think they were that far ahead in candidate selection last time I checked.)

robbie_dee

swallow wrote:

Surprising that Hebert is not running in his home town, Sherbrooke. 

Sherbrooke elected 26 year old Jean Charest in 1984 and stuck with him for the next 14 years even through the PCs 1993 meltdown. I suspect that it may do the same for Pierre-Luc Dusseault, elected even younger at 19. Particularly also considering that the corresponding provincial riding is held by Quebec Solidaire. I don't know how many seats the NDP will be able to hold in Quebec but Sherbrooke is probably in the top 3 or 4 with Boulerice's Rosemont seat #1 and probably Caron's Rimouski seat and Brossseau's Berthier-Maskinongé the other two. Nantel, otoh, is probably toast and his Longueuil-Saint-Hubert will end up as a Liberal/Bloc fight. Running a former sovereigntist there is a coup for the Liberals.

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