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Beaches East York might have 2 contesting the nomination.
And Andrew Cash had a great rally which raised 20,000
Ian Nichols is the NDP Candidate for Haldimand Norfolk.
Who else do you think will run for the Beaches -- East York nomination?
I read on Election Prediction that the NDP that Michael Byers isn't running again and they have another candidate there.
Byers did not run in Beached East York.
Sorry, I was referring to Van Center.
Ya, Beyers, has got a Harvard Chair, and a NGO in Afghanistan currently going on.
He has also recently moved to SaltSpring Island from what I understand. Wonder who will run in Vancouver Centre for the NDP?
Unabashedly supporting - Alex Johnstone is running for the federal NDP nomination in
Ancaster Dundas Flamborough Westdale riding. It's in the Hamilton area. Bright, energetic, well-spoken, socialy and economically crtically aware - I guess one could say that the "apple (cough) does not fall far from the tree" - well political interest anyway (and not the rest of the ascribed characteristics).
I had the privilege of serving with Alex in the NDP caucus at the Ontario Model Parliament this past January.
Definitely a great parliamentarian in the making.
It's entirely within the boundaries of the City of Hamilton. The NDP holds the other three such ridings. The NDP gets only 21% or 17% of the vote in ADFW, but back in 2000 the NDP got only 13% in Hamilton Centre, 11% in Hamilton East-Stoney Creek, 10% in Hamilton Mountain, and 9% in ADFW (2000 votes transposed into the current seats).
So maybe it just needs the same kind of work as was put into those ridings. Hamilton ridings are notoriously local. Can Alex attract workers from the rest of Hamilton?
isn't that riding mostly upper-middle class suburbia?
Wilf - yes to the workers and supporters - a few "trustees" are working on that.
Stock - it includes part of the university and I can tell you there is a ton of NDP signs both prov and fed each election. Money does not necessarily mean one does not vote NDP - as you just saw Wilf points out that things change when work goes into a riding.
Compare Hamilton Mountain; ADFW; and Beaches--East York
Average value of owned dwelling: 224,689; 351,126; 396,328
Median income: 26,613; 32,464; 27,779
So, perhaps so; but it's still Hamilton.
ADFW could make sense as part of a larger Southern Ontario regional ad and organising strategy if local riding associations are able to get things going in places like Brant, Cambridge, Oxford, St. Catherines, Niagara Falls, the London area seats, and the Essex area seats. The NDP has several MPs spread out across the region (in urbanised areas) that could prove real assets once the process gets going. Scott P could also run in Kitchener-Centre: Karen Redman and Stephen Woodworth are no match for him
Thanks for the suggestion, V. Jara, but I'm saving myself for the 2010 Municipal Election.
FYI, I actually live in Kitchener-Waterloo riding. And further FYI, I've already run against Stephen Woodworrth once -- in 1988, when he was the Liberal candidate in Waterloo (but, it was pretty clear that he was a Conservative even then).
I read on Election Prediction that the NDP that Michael Byers isn't running again and they have another candidate there.
This is news to me. Has anybody else heard this? Who is this other supposed candidate? It was my understanding that Byers has the nomination already.
It's entirely within the boundaries of the City of Hamilton. The NDP holds the other three such ridings. The NDP gets only 21% or 17% of the vote in ADFW, but back in 2000 the NDP got only 13% in Hamilton Centre, 11% in Hamilton East-Stoney Creek, 10% in Hamilton Mountain, and 9% in ADFW (2000 votes transposed into the current seats).
So maybe it just needs the same kind of work as was put into those ridings. Hamilton ridings are notoriously local. Can Alex attract workers from the rest of Hamilton?
Except that remember, it's now the megacity of Hamilton, formerly the Region of Hamilton-Wentworth. So to conclude such-and-such from the bottoming-out nature of 2000 numbers is deceptive--the three existing seats are either entirely within the former City of Hamilton, or contain a significant (and significantly NDP-compatible) portion to tip the balance.
All ADFW has of the former city is Westdale, which *is* NDP-friendly (albeit more in a college-town than steeltown way); but within the present electoral incarnation, it's but a rump. And as is nature, it's less likely to vote NDP if it's perceived that the NDP hasn't a chance here. Dundas, too, is very much NDP-compatible; but with less of a history to bear that compatibility out.
The trouble here is Ancaster and Flamborough, which are suburban/rural with a Bible Belt tinge, and much more of a piece with neighbouring Halton/Niagara Region ridings than with the core of Hamilton: they're the sort to kill off Dundas/Westdale, the way the rural parts of Saskatchewan ridings kill off the urban parts. Now, an NDP win isn't beyond the realm of possibility, particularly if they usurp Liberal support as well as strike a certain "Reform populist" chord within the Flamborough backwoods--but it'd take plenty of elbow grease and national, even more than mere local, strategizing at work here.
Also remember that the former provincial riding of Wentworth North--basically, the whole present seat sans Westdale--only went NDP with a third of the vote and a recount margin in the 1990 Rae landslide.
I know the flamborough area well, as we lived in Ancaster and than Jerseyville. I worked for the Y outreach in Waterdown. So do have a few connections in this area. I think that one needs to concentrate on the areas one has strength in.
I read on Election Prediction that the NDP that Michael Byers isn't running again and they have another candidate there.
This is news to me. Has anybody else heard this? Who is this other supposed candidate? It was my understanding that Byers has the nomination already.
Byers had said the day after the last election that he would be running again. However, I since read that he has moved out of the riding (I thought I read that it was INTO Saanich-Gulf Islands). I'm not aware of any NDP candidate officially in the running there at the moment. Byers took on a couple of things professionally that might have put him out of the running for the fall, I assume, but he was in the Layton video at the convention. It could just be a question of when the election comes (and possibly where he'd run).
ETA: Oh, and Hedy Fry did not help herself with her latest crazy suggestion that the House of Commons should get a special H1N1 vaccination clinic. I understand what she means about the number of people who come into contact with one another, but when you've got large groups of very high-risk folks and kids not being able to get the vaccine, and an MP steps up to try and argue that the House of Commons should be a priority for by-passing the cue ... that's a really dangerous place for an MP to go.
Byers was at the NDP convention in Halifax - FWIW an d I think I read that he moved to Saltspring island or somewhere like that. Even though that island is in SGI its a pretty quick ferry ride to downtown Vancouver - so if he wanted to run again in Van Centre - he still could - its not as if he lived in Van Centre last time either - I think he lived in Quadra.
Ortherwise, he could run in SGI and hammer one more nail into EMay's coffin - which would be nice in and of itself - but I'd like to see Byers in Parliament. - what to do...
Ya been from Salt Spring to Vancouver lately by ferry Stock? D
Don't think so
I just read in the Montreal Municipal Election thread that a long-time NDP organizer in Montreal, Piper Higgins, won a seat on city council.
Does anyone have any more info on her?
Would this be a stepping stone to running for Parliament in the next election?
I doubt it - she win in the federal riding of Outremont.
Byers was at the NDP convention in Halifax - FWIW an d I think I read that he moved to Saltspring island or somewhere like that. Even though that island is in SGI its a pretty quick ferry ride to downtown Vancouver - so if he wanted to run again in Van Centre - he still could - its not as if he lived in Van Centre last time either - I think he lived in Quadra.
Ortherwise, he could run in SGI and hammer one more nail into EMay's coffin - which would be nice in and of itself - but I'd like to see Byers in Parliament. - what to do...
As for Michael Byers...
http://www.thestar.com/comment/article/719037
After reading Byers' piece in the Star today, it would seem that Byers has ruled himself out in Vancouver Centre based upon his own argument:
There is only one surefire way to prevent a Harper majority. The Liberals and NDP should agree to not run candidates against each other in the next campaign.
In each riding, the party whose candidate fared worst in the last election would pull its current candidate out, or refrain from nominating one.
http://www.thestar.com/comment/article/719037
Byers seems to have foot in mouth disease.
The thing is that what Byers is talking about there is 100% unworkable. I suppose what MIGHT be workable would be an electoral reform bringing in preferential voting - but otherwise this is a total non-starter. First of all, there is a lot of evidence that if you pull Liberal candidates alot of Liberal voters will vote Tory not NDP - so this could actually mean MORE Tory seats. If you don't believe me, look at what happened in North vancouver Island last election. There are also a lot of NDP voters in northern and remote communities who would likely vote Tory before they would vote Liberal.
Second of all neither the Liberals nor the NDP would ever agree to it in a million years since each party would lose tons of votes overall and lose millions of dollars in funding and in any case it would look even more like a weird shady backroom coalition deal than what was negotiated last December - the Tories would have a field day. It would be the worst of both worlds, the Liberals would find themselves tarred with whatever "negatives" the NDP has and the NDP would find itself tarred with whatever negatives the LIberals have - plus riding associations of both parties across the country would be in open revolt at being told that they weren't allowed to run candidates.
There are no easy "get rick quick" type schemes to defeat Harper. The only way that works is getting FEWER people to vote Conservative.
I like that they illustrate the article with a picture of a Peggy Nash sign defaced by a Gerard Kennedy sign. It just proves how impossible it is and would be to work with Liberals in this fashion.
My riding was the closest in the country (17 votes after the recount). If there had not have been an NDP candidate to vote for in 2008, I would have spoiled (or eaten) my ballot.
I like that they illustrate the article with a picture of a Peggy Nash sign defaced by a Gerard Kennedy sign. It just proves how impossible it is and would be to work with Liberals in this fashion.
I don't know, it looks more like the photos of discarded election signs that run the day after every election.
Based on his logic, I wouldn't vote for Byers. Based on his opinion, I wouldn't vote for Byers. Its surprising that someone promoting this failed logic was an NDP candidate who was surpassed by the CPC in a riding that re elected a Liberal. Nonetheless, the article ignores the Emerson Effect and the elimination of choice in democracy. I expected better from a prof and former candidate. I expect this silliness from the Green Party. This idea is about as new as the CCF, and they rejected this stupidity some 70 years ago. And even worse, did he not look at Central Nova? He also fails to acknowledge that if there is a riding that the NDP is competitive in, eliminating the LPC Candidate would likely result in the CPC candidate receiving more votes?
Now wonder the star ran this piece. Seriously, this should be in a thread of its own. Its a bad idea that creates quite a discussion nad has little to do with the thread its currently in.
Sounds like the highly touted Byers is a timebomb in disguise.
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Wow, and he teaches political science? Now I am sincerely disappointed.
The National Post has addressed Byers logic with these comments...
As a result, if their favourite party is not running in the race they might just stay home and not vote.
Or they might just vote Conservative. Certainly many Liberals would find more in common with the Conservative Party than they would with the socialist, big-union-dominated NDP.
And let's not forget, there's a populist element in the NDP (especially in Western Canada) that would rather cast its support with the Tories than with the adscam-stained, urban-oriented Liberals.
In other words, Byers' scheme might actually help the Conservatives win a majority government.
Ironic isn't it?
Read more: http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/11/02/gerry-nicholls-new-democrats-for-less-democracy.aspx#ixzz0Vk1qyqmW
I agree madmax, what is Byers thinking?
In Simpsons Comic guy voice:
Worst. Idea. Ever.
Did he not just get a Harvard Chair?
Thread drift starting here, eh?
When I mentioned Piper Higgins earlier, I was wondering if there might be any Municipal candidates who would be potential NDP candidates.
And since she won in Outremont, could this be a sign that the voters there are much more confident in voting for someone other than a mainstream (Liberal?) candidate? Which is a good sign for Mulcair's re-election?
Does anyone have any more info on her?
Would this be a stepping stone to running for Parliament in the next election?
That would be lovely. However, her district (Jeanne-Mance) is primarily in Gilles Duceppe's riding. It also includes a little bit of Outremont and a little bit of Westmount-Ville Marie.
She was a sacrificial lamb for the NDP in Brome--Missisquoi in 2004 (3%), and in 2000 was the NDP candidate in Saint-Laurent - Cartierville against Stephane Dion (getting 2.4%).
Daniel Breton is said to be interested in running again in Jeanne - Le Ber, says Pundit's Guide. Piper Huggins would make a great candidate there, though, wouldn't she?
With the Quebec municipal elections finished, I didn't see Pierre Ducasse's name amongst those elected.
Any idea if he would be thinking of running in Hull-Aylmer again?
He got over 40% of the vote, but was not successful. With a new baby, that may not be the first thing on his mind, but I'm still hopeful.
NDP Candidate Brant
In response to Jans Comments below....
The video above is very professional news coverage, babblers should take a peek. I am not certain if there is another candidate link with coverage like this one.
Speaking of youth. Here is something from their local print media from one of the attendees at that nomination meeting. NDP Candidate Engages Youthgreat clip madmax and great plug by a youth who was a main contestant for great prime minister - she said she will be campaigning for him! - youth vote.
Yes it's true, the Beaches East York has Barbara Warner running for the NDP nomination. Her name might be familiar from the 2003 federal election, she ran for the NDP in Scarborough Southwest.
I think she'll do a got what it takes to pick up where Marilyn Churley left off and finally defeat Maria Minna.
Her website is http://www.barbarawarner.ca/ or http://www.facebook.com/pages/Barbara-Warner/141189053313
FYI, if you're a riding resident there's a meet + greet end of the month - Sunday, Nov 29 in the Stan Wadlow Clubhouse Lounge 2-5pm 373 Cedarvale Avenue (at Cosburn)
Another young candidate was nominated last night in the Hamilton riding of Ancaster-Dundas-Flamborough-Westdale.
Alex Johnstone, 26, has a master’s degree in social work from McMaster University. She hopes to commence a PhD program at McMaster next fall.
"Alex is a Hamiltonian from birth. Her family later moved to Kincardine, a rural community on Lake Huron. Alex has strong socialist roots. Her father works at the Bruce Nuclear Power Plant and is the past president of the Grey-Bruce Labour Council. Her mother is an elected school board trustee and former NDP candidate."
I think Barbara Warner sounds terrific and i hope she is the candidate (though i don't know who else is running). I looked at her list of supporters and it struck me that just about everyone supporting her is a "former" member of the NDP executive in Beaches-East York. Does that mean that all the current members are backing someone else?
We have a Cardinal running in Edmonton centre and although i vote another poll i support all whose hearts are on the left and loved , really smiles when reading about the Waffle Caucus. My people . Thanks Mel.
Based on his logic, I wouldn't vote for Byers. Based on his opinion, I wouldn't vote for Byers. Its surprising that someone promoting this failed logic was an NDP candidate who was surpassed by the CPC in a riding that re elected a Liberal. Nonetheless, the article ignores the Emerson Effect and the elimination of choice in democracy. I expected better from a prof and former candidate. I expect this silliness from the Green Party. This idea is about as new as the CCF, and they rejected this stupidity some 70 years ago. And even worse, did he not look at Central Nova? He also fails to acknowledge that if there is a riding that the NDP is competitive in, eliminating the LPC Candidate would likely result in the CPC candidate receiving more votes?
Now wonder the star ran this piece. Seriously, this should be in a thread of its own. Its a bad idea that creates quite a discussion nad has little to do with the thread its currently in.
Sounds like the highly touted Byers is a timebomb in disguise.
I agree. Byers was a bad candidate for the NDP. That's why I'm surprised that there were some NDP supporters here earlier this fall who were saying they hoped he would run again next time.
I think Barbara Warner sounds terrific and i hope she is the candidate (though i don't know who else is running). I looked at her list of supporters and it struck me that just about everyone supporting her is a "former" member of the NDP executive in Beaches-East York. Does that mean that all the current members are backing someone else?
Don't they have to be neutral?
Another young candidate was nominated last night in the Hamilton riding of Ancaster-Dundas-Flamborough-Westdale.
Alex Johnstone, 26, has a master’s degree in social work from McMaster University. She hopes to commence a PhD program at McMaster next fall.
"Alex is a Hamiltonian from birth. Her family later moved to Kincardine, a rural community on Lake Huron. Alex has strong socialist roots. Her father works at the Bruce Nuclear Power Plant and is the past president of the Grey-Bruce Labour Council. Her mother is an elected school board trustee and former NDP candidate."
Alex Johnstone is fantastic, she will really shake up ADFW. Look out Davide Sweet!
Seeing as Alberta is shipping unprocessed oil everywhere, where's the Waffle Caucus when we need them. An indpendent socialist CAnada now.
Hey, I'm moving to Toronto-Danforth in a week. I wonder who will be running there?
...oh yeah! :)
Sure will be nice to actually elect the person I vote for, for a change!
I have never, ever voted for soemone who got elected-- I have never even voted for a winning party (I lived in Quebec when Rae was elected and voted for the NDP when the party lost. My arrival must have been the problem...
I wasn't old enough to vote for Rae's NDP the first time around (although I wanted to - my 18th birthday was just after the election!), and the second time around when I did vote NDP provincially, Rae lost.
The only time I've ever voted for someone who won was when I voted for Milliken in Kingston and the Islands in 1993 and 1997.
In every federal and provincial election after 2000, I've voted NDP and elected no one. :)
Oh, wait, actually, municipally, I've had better luck. I've voted for Giambrone and Miller the last two elections and they won.
It's not all sunshine and lollipops, moving to Toronto-Danforth, though. I'll also be living in the land of Case Ootes. Eep.
Ootes won by 20 votes last time. I don't think you'll be living in the land of Case Ootes for longer than eleven months.
Hopefully not! I'm already hoping to get out and work for whichever progressive runs to overthrow him! And I haven't done campaign volunteering for anyone since 2003. :) But anyhow, this is off topic, sorry about that. Slap my fingers, someone. :)
Maybe Michelle should be the progressive who runs against him. Just saying ... (and, of course, just back from last night's Equal Voice reception in Ottawa, which kind of obligates me to suggest it). :-)
Having my feet planted firmly in two ridings (both not close), I will be working in two locations for candidates I absolutely believe should win and go to Ottawa.
More thread drift - Michelle for candidate in my sister's riding (sign location).
And I have voted for a very progressive school trustee in my district - she won!
End of thread drift - well no - it's all Sean's fault!
like am i the only westerner on here
I used to live out west, UM. There are others there now. Don't worry; the west was "let in" here some time ago! They just post later in the evening.
thank - you
PS, who's running out your way that you've heard of?
Gold smebody always wins
a PC as in petty and cheap
Hey Jan....you'll be helping out in Ancaster-Dundas-Flamborough-Westdale, eh.
Great to see this.....youth movement
i amy sill go to the poll to decline my ballot - i wrote smiling jack and asked him or if one of his caucus could live off of ei for a month no reply yet 6 weeks now
Why did you not write Harper and Goldring and ask them that?
i would rather sleep on the rail road tracks than write to stevebo harpo or whatever that phony' name is layton is the only one of two who has ever gotten back to me nuff said
and thank you it is Goldring
you do pay attention unfortunately i cannot afford to
Hey Jan....you'll be helping out in Ancaster-Dundas-Flamborough-Westdale, eh.
Great to see this.....youth movement
oh, a few days here and there....
Jan
It is fantastic to see young women such as Alex, and of course Ms Ashton and Ms Leslie running for office, and I hope Alex, like the 2 others will be elected.
When the campaign starts remember to post the riding info, so we can all send some money.....
thank you Remind I'm over the top - a very proud mother - Alex is 2nd generation NDP and just thrilled. Make no mistake, she will be running hard, and all ready out campaigning. thank you and I will post.
And that local farm activist in my riding owes Alex "one organic chicken" as his donation to her nomination campaign. Perhaps he lurks on these forums??? Do yah think so???
Well....if he is busily handing out organic chickens..... ;)
and please do post, we all need to donate to the young women out there taking the future into their own hands...
Unionman, if you live in Peter Goldring's riding, there is a fantastic NDP candidate nominated there now: Lewis Cardinal. You might recognize his name from the last municipal elections in Edmonton.
ummm...Peter Goldring is the Tory MP for Edmonton East where Ray Martin is running for the NDP. Cardinal is running in Edmonton Centre.
Both are fabulous candidates, and both have real shots at winning and knocking off Tory MPs.
I should have consulted a database. You both got me ... I give up.
http://www.punditsguide.ca/
Thanks, remind. I should have known.
i have been facebooking for Cardinal. Too bad not my riding
Lewis Cardinal on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Lewis-Cardinal/114375391348
(by the way, WOW ... 1325 supporters!! Way to go Lewis !!)
Ray Martin is also a great candidate for a "union-" man like yourself. He was an MLA and the former provincial leader of the Alberta New Democrats. Here is his Facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=19228861515
Of course, we should also do a shout-out for Artem Medvedev in Edmonton - Leduc (yes, I looked it up ;-) ): http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=291910090444
Actually, it's a pretty strong team of NDP candidates in Edmonton, together with Linda Duncan, MP !
More on NDP Candidate in ADFW
Alex Johnstone, who has her master's degree in social work, was elected by party members at a Dundas nomination meeting, defeating challenger Shilo Davis, an Ancaster resident and university undergraduate. The voting went to two ballots after the two tied on the first ballot. The party did not release results.
Johnstone, who is making her first attempt at elected office, will face off against Conservative MP David Sweet, who has held the riding since 2006, and Liberal candidate Dan McLean, the former CHCH-TV anchorman.
She is one of the latest candidates selected by the NDP for the 13 Hamilton area ridings.
Whats the common link where the LPC haven't announced Candidates.... LOL.No problem, and you are welcome...my fav site besides rabble... :))
Actually heard yesterday that Cardinal had been in town here, but did not have a chance to follow through on why that might have been...
Jack Layton was at the nomination of Gregor Ash in Halifax West last night.
And there will be a nomination meeting for Andy Baxter in West Nova this weekend.
Whats the common link where the LPC haven't announced Candidates.... LOL.
The Liberals seem dead in the Hamilton area for the foreseeable future.
Perhaps that will teach people a lesson not to to pull the same stunts again that Paul Martin pulled with Sheila Copps.
Fort Mac by way of PEI here... I'm told (no real data) that this is the riding in Canada with the largest union membership (at least per capita, but maybe also outright .... 20,000 members out of a total population of 100,000). ... No idea who's running here yet.
good on ya RP. and i do like the sign but Sept. 15 2008, I had a heat exchanger head go against my left arm I stopped it but who'd of thought that a 3/4 in. spool would trap my l.arm not i nor Jacobs safety people. was a monday too, and buddy forgot to p-test me on tuesday at northern lights regional and told me on wedneday well you haven't been anywhere. Yeah, try the parking lot and listening to tunes in a friends ford. So no i will not up a dirty one. All is forgiven now but in the process of moving and selling a condo and house prices in Saskatchewan and Manitoba -born in flin flon 1952 - edmonton since 1956 - and it might be time to move to an a province where my ndp vote is not in vain.
Is the union town sign still there? And for what it's worth i am a boilermaker but also a member of the IWW. And i get on well with merry timers you folks have a sense of what is worthy in life. And smile more than the Alberta bred. Take that, my adopted province.
More on NDP Candidate in ADFW
So now we know what the Spectator covers: the four Hamilton ridings, the four in Niagara, Brant, Haldimand-Norfolk, Burlington, Halton, and apparently Oakville.
The Liberals seem dead in the Hamilton area for the foreseeable future.
An electoral illusion. In those 13 ridings the Conservatives got 285,039 votes, the Liberals 201,002, and the NDP only 147,531. The Liberals came second in 10 of the 13 ridings, but won none, although those Liberal voters deserved to elect four MPs such as Larry Di Ianni, Garth Turner, Lloyd St. Amand, and John Maloney; just as Green Party voters deserved to elect an MP such as Peter Ormond.
In a reversal of the Toronto pattern, winner-take-all screws the Liberals here (as it does in the West, most of Ontario outside the GTA, and Quebec outside Montreal). That could explain why local Liberals like Dr. Marie Bountrogianni, former Ontario Minister for Democratic Renewal, Ted McMeekin, Minister of Consumer Services and MPP for Ancaster Dundas Flamborough Westdale, Garth Turner, MP for Halton, David Alexander, City Councillor, Welland, and I believe Kevin Flynn, MPP for Oakville, supported electoral reform.
I think Barbara Warner sounds terrific and i hope she is the candidate (though i don't know who else is running). I looked at her list of supporters and it struck me that just about everyone supporting her is a "former" member of the NDP executive in Beaches-East York. Does that mean that all the current members are backing someone else?
Don't they have to be neutral?
That would be a yes and a no. Good catch Stockholm.
The Beaches - East York NDP riding association executive who have chosen not to remain neutral (those 2 continue to guide the business of the RA I hear) are supporting another candidate. Along with other 'former' members of the executive, community members and Neil Young.
-->> Matthew Kellway (you can also look him up on FB for more of the same in small bites.)
I had a look at the endorsements and was interested in the endorsement of the executive's Women's Rep.
I know little about him; that site has no bio. But he sounds very decent. Might make an excellent MPP if Prue retires.
But his page on "an urban agenda" is misguided.
A little reading on Stats Can's site might shed light on these urban myths.
Eighty percent of Canadians live in urban areas, defined by Stats Can as "Area with a population of at least 1,000 and no fewer than 400 persons per square kilometre."
If you take a "city" as having as an urban core with a population of at least 50,000, that makes Canada 64.2% urban, 35.8% small-town and rural.
The urban area of Toronto had, in 2006, 4,753,120 people, not 6.5 million.
Not including the 1,385 "urbanites" of the urban area of Everett who, together with 9,318 rural residents, are part of the Township of Adjala-Tosorontio which abuts the Toronto Census Metropolitan Area. Some residents of Everett say on Facebook that they will never go back to Alliston (Urban Area population: 12,523).
I could go on.
The fact that the Liberals have no takers to run in a number of the Hamilton Region seats has nothing to do with electoral reform. This isn't a thread on electoral reform, but that information would make interesting debate.
I am very very very very happy that Di Ianni, Turner, St. Amand, and Maloney are out on the street. I wouldn't want an electoral system that would keep or put these weak, controversial and discredited candidates in office. The public has went to great lengths to vote them out and the public will keep them out. As for Peter Ormond, I have no idea who he is and perhaps that is a good thing. (Thanks for the link) LOL.
Regardless, these people have the right to sign up and run again. All they have to do is win a minority of votes to get in. And if any choose to run again there is little chance they will win because the public has no interest in putting them in office.
If voters had voted as they did in 2008 and the wider "Hamilton Area" was a 13-MP region in a PR system, Liberal voters would have elected four MPs. With an open-list system, that would have been the Liberal regional candidates who got the most votes across the region.
But those Liberal candidates would have been nominated in a regional nomination process (convention plus on-line voting, I'd guess) that would not have been limited to incumbents and veterans. Likely they would have nominated a balanced slate of some veteran males and some new younger candidates including women. Polls have shown 90% of voters want to see more women elected, so if we have women on the ballot, we'll vote for them. The four might have been Bonnie Brown, Paddy Torsney, Arlene MacFarlaneVanderBeek or Helen Wilson or Heather Carter or Joyce Morocco or someone not nominated in a local riding.
Furthermore, NDP voters in ridings where the NDP was not really in the race -- Haldimand-Norfolk, Niagara West-Glanbrook, Burlington, Halton, Oakville -- would have turned out in greater numbers since every vote would count. So would Green Party voters and others.
why besides having to get a real job are they afraid of representation by population. Rather than the goo we got
The goo we got?
i missed a few keys but proportional representation would goo it up
not
There is a good reason for the preview button.
Word is going around that former provincial NDP M.L.A. Kevin Deveaux is thinking of seeking the NDP nomination in Dartmouth-Cole Harbour, now that he's finished his assignment in Vietnam. He'd give Mike Savage a real contest.
I also wonder why there are so few candidates in Quebec so far.
Perhaps the strategy is to get as much publicity closer to an election (post-Olympics?) by having a string of nominating meetings close together.
That would be smart, especially if it involves any star candidates seeking nominations there.
Any word of 'star' Quebec candidates that anyone has heard of?
Thanks to the Pundit's Guide list of nominated candidates, of the 40 nominated NDP candidates in Ontario who aren't M.P.'s, 24 are returning candidates. Good news for Jack that so many previous candidates want to keep trying.
Has anyone noticed that, in 2008, for the first time ever, the Liberals ran more women than the NDP? 113 Liberal, 104 NDP.
Anything predictive (telling) to be read among the tea leaves of that statistic?
I predict the NDP will try harder this time.
Anything predictive (telling) to be read among the tea leaves of that statistic?
A whole bunch of them were appointed at the very last minute to round out the slate in completely unwinnable seats. We elected a higher percentage of women, if I recall correctly.
I don't think it makes sense to nominate too early in Québec, because if things move in our favour there it could help candidate search substantially, and quality candidates are what seems to have made the difference for us to this point. Also, it's worth waiting to see what's going on with the Bloc and the provincial scene, and after all they just got through the municipals there.
Any word of 'star' Quebec candidates that anyone has heard of?
Thanks to the Pundit's Guide list of nominated candidates, of the 40 nominated NDP candidates in Ontario who aren't M.P.'s, 24 are returning candidates. Good news for Jack that so many previous candidates want to keep trying.
Here's where it does make sense to nominate early ... with known quantities who have demonstrated their potential in campaigns, and with a bit of an extra push from federal office to get organized early could go over the top next time.
I just read that the notorious Nathalie Le Prohon who was supposed to run for the Liberals in Outremont and then decided to run in Jeanne LeBer after the infamous squabble between Cauchon and Coderre - has dropped out altogether and will no longer be the Liberal candidate in Jeanne LeBer. She says that she was willing to run when she thought there would be a fall election, but that now that an election has been postponed indefinitely she has too many other commitments etc....(it probably doesn't help that the Liberals are so low in the polls in Quebec that she probably doesn't think she could win).
This points to the risk of nominating too many candidates too early for an election that doesn't end up happening - they start to drop out.
The reality is that most people have lives and have jobs and commitments etc... and are not in position to be the official candidate of a party for an election that could be a year or two away. Many people have to take a forced leave of absence from their jobs ifr they run politically - its just not that simple.
Yes, they lost another candidate recently as well, Marjorie Black (the mayor of Newmarket or Aurora I think) for much the same reasons.
On the other hand, if the local candidate is able to carry on with other things while campaigning, because they've been through it before and know what they're getting in for, then I'd tend to agree with David that having lots of candidates who've run previously in good seats is a plus. A lot of the folks we elected for the first time in 2008 had run before but not quite made it: then the federal party sent in some resources and were able to get them over the top the next time around.
CLosing for length.