G8/G20: It's coming soon...

102 posts / 0 new
Last post
remind remind's picture
G8/G20: It's coming soon...

continued from here

remind remind's picture

thorin_bane wrote:
Well you know their have always been collaborators when fascism rears its ugly head. This is how it starts. Yeah you want to do things 'right' but turning on people in this manner isn't much different and that is the slippery slope.

 

Ya, and they still think it is a "good thing" but then of course those stating they will do so have also stated falsehoods here about First Nations in respect to why the police are racially biased against them.

 

Personally beginning to think they are protesting in favour of the g8/20, eh.....

Doug
SparkyOne

Someone who lied about who they were buying it for Undecided

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Hope to hell it isn't another whack job christian tea bagger trying to blow up the government.  After Oklahoma you have to take that kind of threat seriously.

SparkyOne

I'm in total agreement Kropotkin. It's a very scary thought!

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

How could they possibly penetrate perimeter security? All one billion dollars of it?

Ghislaine

This whole G8/G20 thing is so infuriating. The government revealed today that [url=http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia/story/2010/06/08/ns-lighthouses-sur... real lighthouses [/url] are being declared "surplus", yet there is money to spend to build a fake lighthouse for G8 leaders to enjoy for a few hours. 

Just another of the many ridiculous things occurring. Imagine the things that could've been accomplished with 1 billion$. There are people in my province who cannot get approval for life-saving cancer drugs to be funded.

If you want your blood to boil even more, the federal and provincial governments just gave Live with Regis and Kelly 1 million$ to come to PEI.

Cytizen H

Something amazing is happening in Toronto. People I know who, for whatever reason, have no interest in protesting or politics are starting to pay attention. The ridiculousness around the cost of the summit and the insanity of the show of force and the militarization of the city has caused people who would never otherwise consider going to a demonstration, or march, or rally to start asking questions. A friend of mine, with whom I got in a huge argument only a month ago over the usefullness of any kind of protest, has said that he's angry about what's happening and wants to do something about it. He wants to march. My bosses, who had been complaining about the protesters for weeks, have now decided to close shop for the weekend and join them because they're angry about what the G20 is doing to the city. Even the media is starting to show signs of life. The TCMN press conference was the lead story all day on CP24 yesterday, and they countered the police statement that there were only 40 cops there.

NDPP

CSIS Threatens Aboriginal Activists re: G20

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/breakingnews/csis-held-clandesti...

"The Aboriginal Peoples' TV Network has video of what it says is a Canadian Security agent warning native activists that blockades during the G20 summit could trigger a reaction from foreign security forces in Canada to protect their leaders.."

skdadl

NoDifferencePartyPooper wrote:

CSIS Threatens Aboriginal Activists re: G20

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/breakingnews/csis-held-clandesti...

"The Aboriginal Peoples' TV Network has video of what it says is a Canadian Security agent warning native activists that blockades during the G20 summit could trigger a reaction from foreign security forces in Canada to protect their leaders.."

 

Memories of the APEC summit in Vancouver in 1997, when Chretien allowed Suharto to loose his goons in a hotel there, and then there was the pepper-spray police riot on the UBC campus.

On principle, if any agency of the Canadian government is insinuating that foreign security forces have free rein in Canada, then that is a scandal that should see a lot of people fired.

Unfortunately, this country isn't currently run on that sort of principle.

skdadl

 

[URL=http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/g8-g20/news/fertilizer-bomb-th...'re now calling it a "gardening incident."[/URL]

 

lol. I love the way the police talk. One day soon I'll post some links to photos of a few of my "gardening incidents." Now, that's some scary.

Michelle

Ha, skdadl. :D  I had a gardening incident on my postage stamp out front.  (Yes, it's MY postage stamp now; I have claimed it.)  I fondly call my little plot out front, "The Herb Cemetery".  Although actually, they've revived somewhat, and my basil is spectacular.

Unionist

My cat had a gardening incident the other day, but as usual, being a cat, she buried it.

 

Michelle

Oh, that's another gardening incident!  Some dumbass let their dog crap in my garden and didn't pick it up!  I hate people who walk their dogs and don't pick up after them.

I never had this problem back when I was renting apartments without yards...

Okay, sorry for the thread drift. :)

skdadl

I read in the Star that, because the hotels are price-gouging (I know: you're shocked), people who live in or near the exclusion zone (condo peeps?) are renting out their places for the duration at amazing prices. Can't say I blame them, but wow, this has become such a display of naked drooling capitalism. (Is that a mixed metaphor? I was going to throw in a proliferating there, but I figured that would be over the top.)

Unionist

I know exactly what you mean, skdadl. I once proliferated over the top, and it was not a pretty sight.

absentia

skdadl wrote:

I read in the Star that, because the hotels are price-gouging (I know: you're shocked), people who live in or near the exclusion zone (condo peeps?) are renting out their places for the duration at amazing prices.

My neighbours on Springhurst used to make a few bucks parking cars in their front yards during the Ex. It's nice to see a little of the privateering spirit still alive in TO: one gets so bored with trickle-up economics.

Security - especially at public spectacles - is a good indicator of which way a society is tending. How much a leader spends on bodyguards depends on how much anger he expects from the people, which tells you exactly how much he intends to hurt them.

Nothing is going to happen here that couldn't have been accomplished by e-mail; probably all the decisions are already made. The Olympics were a diversion, but this circus is a show of power, not unlike the Mayday parades in Red Square used to be - in case we wondered who's boss around here.  

Cytizen H

This is interesting. The son of a family friend who has a security license has taken a job doing security for the G20 here in Toronto. He's getting paid $20 an hour. His instructions are that, within the security zone he can ask anybody he wants to show their identification. If they comply his instructions are to let them go on their way. If they refuse, or show any signs of belligerence, his instructions are to detain that person and alert the closest police officer.

Cytizen H

CSIS continues its intimidation tactics:

Quote:

People have been visited at their homes.

People have been visited at their places of work.

People have been followed through their neighbourhoods.

CSIS agents have refused to leave people's homes when asked and have also refused to identify themselves.

Police have detained people and harassed and threatened their families and their immigration status.

In a single 24 hour period, almost every single person of colour in our group (AW@L) received visits from either CSIS or the Toronto police.

 

full article here.

skdadl

absentia wrote:

My neighbours on Springhurst used to make a few bucks parking cars in their front yards during the Ex. It's nice to see a little of the privateering spirit still alive in TO: one gets so bored with trickle-up economics.

Security - especially at public spectacles - is a good indicator of which way a society is tending. How much a leader spends on bodyguards depends on how much anger he expects from the people, which tells you exactly how much he intends to hurt them.

Nothing is going to happen here that couldn't have been accomplished by e-mail; probably all the decisions are already made. The Olympics were a diversion, but this circus is a show of power, not unlike the Mayday parades in Red Square used to be - in case we wondered who's boss around here.  

 

Well said, absentia. I agree with every word. I live outside the city now, but Toronto was my home for 38 years, and I am beyond shocked and appalled that the vulgar, spoiled, ignorant, adolescent jerks who pass for world leaders these days are about to violate the lives of so many real people who were my neighbours and my friends.

 

When the Tories realized that they could only humour/promote Clement halfway (the G8), I think they decided to pick on Toronto largely for the reasons you cite. It's obvious that any city as tightly packed as Toronto is going to be paralysed by infernal, polluting cavalcades of Internationally Protected People, but the Tories hate Toronto anyway, so they're probably enjoying it. And the mess they're creating certainly gives them and all their international criminal cohorts a chance to flex a little muscle, just as you say. These meetings have no meaning, just muscle.

 

ETA: Or as a proper McLuhanite/Derridean would put it, the muscle is the meaning.

 

 

absentia

For maximum security, i propose that all summit meetings - political, economic or military  - henceforth be held on deep-water oil-rigs. The standard crew can be replaced for the duration (It's for only a couple of days. What could go wrong?) by security-cleared contractors, at 100 times roughnecks' wages. Each Glorious Leader will arrive in a corvette from their own navy. These vessels can also be used for socializing and sleep. While meetings are in progress, they circle the rig, looking out for the Rainbow Warrior,  Newfoundland fishing fleet or other activistic activity. If a pipe shoud blow while they're there.... Well, that won't happen, and if it does, i'll apologize.   

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

absentia wrote:

For maximum security, i propose that all summit meetings - political, economic or military  - henceforth be held on deep-water oil-rigs. The standard crew can be replaced for the duration (It's for only a couple of days. What could go wrong?) by security-cleared contractors, at 100 times roughnecks' wages. Each Glorious Leader will arrive in a corvette from their own navy. These vessels can also be used for socializing and sleep. While meetings are in progress, they circle the rig, looking out for the Rainbow Warrior,  Newfoundland fishing fleet or other activistic activity. If a pipe shoud blow while they're there.... Well, that won't happen, and if it does, i'll apologize.   

A truly excellent plan, even if unlikely to be accepted by the guilty parties in charge of these arrangements.

 

ennir

I'd like to see everyone who is there to demonstrate rethink their strategy and have flash mobs showing up all over the place except for where the billion dollar security is.  I think streets empty of protesters and filled with security would make the point that it really wasn't needed completely obvious and besides which it would be so easy to catch the provocateurs then. 

Sineed

skdadl wrote:

I read in the Star that, because the hotels are price-gouging (I know: you're shocked), people who live in or near the exclusion zone (condo peeps?) are renting out their places for the duration at amazing prices. Can't say I blame them, but wow, this has become such a display of naked drooling capitalism. (Is that a mixed metaphor? I was going to throw in a proliferating there, but I figured that would be over the top.)

A friend of my husband's is renting her apartment for $8,000 for the duration of G20.

I wonder what I could get for my little house 3k west of downtown...we could move in with my parents, ask our friend to move his car from the backyard.

absentia

No protest - no people of any kind; empty streets. That is a super idea!

How do you get the word out, and people to understand the point, in so short a time?

skdadl

Flashmobs is a great idea -- can that be done via Facebook, or is that too public? (How do you organize a flashmob anyway -- get enough people, but keep it mostly secret?)

ennir

I don't know, I don't even have a cell phone but I think they are essential for flash mobs. I am sure Twitter could be used.  I think facebook could be used to discuss tactics, recognizing that there are eyes everywhere, but any notice of events would need to go out just before the actual event.

absentia, I am glad you like the idea, I wonder how many people would get it?

There is a video called Bad Hotel on the Rabble blog about the G8 and G20, have you seen it?  It is fabulous.

 

Sean in Ottawa

Personally I am not interested in demonstrating for the G8-20

They are expecting demonstrators, there is almost no point that can be made.

I would be interested in rounds of demonstrations where Harper speaks over the next few months domestically. That would be more effective in my view and possibly more educational.

The issue is not to make so much noise on one event where you are going to be on one side of a tall fence and the action on the other-- make it so Harper has to be behind a big fence wherever he goes after.

Let them spend the billion on this but don't use this time to make the point-- make it in other contexts. Make it so the think there will never be an end to the protest -- Don't concentrate on their strongest point where they have planned for it and will hold you away. Wait and protest in other places and other ways .

The nice part is those protests will be regular make the news likely each time but not as likely attract vandals and violence. I am not interested in violent protest in Canada. I believe there is so much more the opposition to this government can do and to be associated with violence and property damage is not going to build a cause on the issues.

This kind of building rotating political protest can be brought right through an election.

Sineed

ennir wrote:

I'd like to see everyone who is there to demonstrate rethink their strategy and have flash mobs showing up all over the place except for where the billion dollar security is.  I think streets empty of protesters and filled with security would make the point that it really wasn't needed completely obvious and besides which it would be so easy to catch the provocateurs then. 

Just wanted to say, I also love this idea!

ennir

Thanks Sineed, it is nice to find some common ground.  :)

absentia

ennir wrote:

 I am glad you like the idea, I wonder how many people would get it?

Maybe not everyone, but it doesn't matter. They would look like idiots anyway and get even more resentment from the mainstream (whoever that may be) than they already have building up. It might be a nice change for blame to fall where it belongs. I've felt for a long time that protest doesn't work, and it's more likely, every step into fascism, for peaceful protesters to get hurt or killed.

Quote:
There is a video called Bad Hotel on the Rabble blog about the G8 and G20, have you seen it?  It is fabulous.

No, i hardly see anything. Will try if my video program works.

Cytizen H

Why riot when you can party?

 

Somewhere aroud here someone said that their revolution included dancing... well here's a couple of opportunities!

 

1) Thursday June 17 there will be a party to celebrate the opening of the Convergence Space

 

We're going to warm up the convergence space! Let's make the space ours! We've got DJ's food and a whole lot of fire in our hearts! Think of this as a housewarming for the movement's house! Let's spend time together socializing and dancing before we take to the streets!

When: Thursday, June 17, 2010 8pm
What: MOVEMENT's HOUSEWARMING PARTY
Where: OUR NEW CONVERGENCE SPACE! 1266 Queen Street West (just off of noble)

 

 

2) Fever 2010!!!! Take back the streets, Saturday Night! June 26.

This is going to be amazing.

ennir

I think the dancing is fabulous but I vote for starting there and continuing everywhere except where they are expected.

ebodyknows ebodyknows's picture

"Billion spent to keep dancers away from world leaders. Dancers happily danced elsewhere."

Wouldn't it be a lovely headline?

Cytizen H

"Unable to fight the rhythm, savage riot cops soothed by the cool grooves opt to dance the night away"

Howsabout that one?

 

I should have mentioned, the Convergence Space party is drug and alcohol free. And donations of money and/or useful things are greatly appreciated.

ebodyknows ebodyknows's picture

Yes! that one is even better.

NorthReport

NDP leading the opposition once again.

Resolve detainee issues, Layton says; NDP leader threatens G8, G20 funding

NDP leader Jack Layton threatened yesterday to derail funding for the G8 and G20 summits in Ontario if the Afghan-detainee affair is not resolved.

He was speaking before a meeting today to thrash out details of how documents relating to the issue will be released.

Mr. Layton said his party is frustrated by the lack of progress in finalizing how an all-party committee of MPs will get access to documents that are at the centre of a debate over the treatment of prisoners in the Afghan war.

He said the New Democrats may try to force a debate on the detainee issue in the House of Commons as a tactic to hold up the release of more funding for the two meetings of world leaders, which are set for this weekend in Toronto and Huntsville.

"The Conservatives are dragging their feet," he told Canwest News Service. "We can't just let them drag their feet right into the summer."

 

 
http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Resolve+detainee+issues+Layton+says+lea...

George Victor

A globe reader this morning offered Torontonians another means of making a statement. Patricia Chartier sauggests, "For the sake of Canada's image on the international stage, do not give in to your anger at the billion dollars being spent to shut down the city for our important guests.

"Please, turn the other cheek instead - and moon the arrogant bastards as they roll into town."

 

ebodyknows ebodyknows's picture

That a pretty poor argument george...who wants to have the image of being a country that puts up with this kind of BS?  I just think there are more interesting ways to respond than storming the fence, sniffing tear gas and listening to authoritarian sound systems while wearing my che T and providing cheap content for the mass medias mandate of sydicating high calorie conflict with low nutritional value.

 

Be angry...and do it in new engaging ways or demonstrate a more enlightened alternative.

Cytizen H

Personally I think its great for Canada's "image on the international stage" for the world to see the citizens of Toronto and elsewhere standing up, through a diversity of tactics, to this violent thugery that is our own federal government and an international gang of profiteers and felons.

George Victor

Actually, the citizens of Toronto would have to bend over to bring this imagery to the world.

absentia

George Victor wrote:

"Please, turn the other cheek instead - and moon the arrogant bastards as they roll into town."

Oh, Satan, you li'l devil, get thee behi... er... Well as tempting as this is, i think empty streets would send a more effective message. Dance, by all means; wear as little you like and bare as much as you're comfortable with, anywhere - everywhere - else! 

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Be careful about taking your clothes off since it is against the law.  You could get turned into the police and arrested. Canada will just be boring to the foreign press.  They protest much differently in places like France and Greece.  Lets face it, the people meeting behind the fences don't give a flying fuck what the people want or what is good for the people.  They don't have to listen and they don't.  

absentia

Well, geez! The people behind fences undeclared war on the people a long time ago - like at the dawn of civilization. How much they think they can get away with depends on how much we already let them get away with. It builds and builds.... Every couple centuries, we have to cut their heads off, but we never do that until we're pushed beyond endurance. Not there yet. Don't really want to go there. So, maybe - it's a long-shot, but what's to lose? - short-circuit History this time... Ignore them to death?  

thorin_bane

Well ladies you could go topless as there is no law against it in ontario. That would get media attention. (I am not being sexist, both statements are true). But other than the shock of it it would be a distraction from the real issues. Just like the managers pointed out to Allison Smith(or maybe sue ormiston). They don't want to talk about the violent protesters or if they condone it because it takes away from the real reason for the protests(as most on here have pointed out.)

A better plan would be for people to protest banks all around the country. Maybe not the exact correct target, but who doesn't love a good bank bashing. No one shows up to the g meetings instead they have 50 people protest each of all bank branches of one bank. Perhaps RBC as I believe they are the largest. Like affinity groups there is no head to cut off. How does one protect something spread out across the entire country. Could change targets and protest other things as well. Bell Telus Rogers, they too would have a large following of people upset with them. Start putting pressure on the people running the show to start giving back and reverse the visually damaging upward flowing waterfall of wealth.

 

Good article on Germany in the guardian, the coalition is falling apart after just 8 months as they try to force austerity on the non rich while giving the wealthy a free ride. People can get behind things they can see, like austerity for all(others).

Cytizen H

absentia wrote:

So, maybe - it's a long-shot, but what's to lose? - short-circuit History this time... Ignore them to death?  

 

As a silly, tongue in cheek commentary I think the idea of simply ignoring the G20 is quite poignant and, dare I say, cheeky.  Making the gov't even more foolish than they already do by giving them absolutely no reason for any money being spent on security... yeah, in theory. But the more it gets said the more it irks me. (irks?). There is a lot of really hard work going into organizing the G20. Work is being done getting people together, getting people informed, even getting the media to fall in line to some degree. (but we'll see how long that lasts). I think that suggesting that it would be better to do nothing feels like an attempt to undermine all the work that is being done on getting the voice of dissent out there. It also feels like a vote for complacency, which I find it really hard to accept. There are probably intelligent arguments out there against public demonstration, not to say I'd agree with them, and if that's what you're getting at, let's hear that. But I'd really rather not hear these half-hearted suggestions that despite all the work that's being done, doing nothing would be better.

ennir

Yes, let there be thousands of protesters, so easy to mix the provocateurs into that mix and it all justifies the insanity of thousands of cops and the billion dollars, as I have said before protest everywhere but where you are expected and protest in unusual ways, dance and sing, I liked the suggestion of flash mobs at banks.

 

absentia

Cytizen H wrote:

I think that suggesting that it would be better to do nothing feels like an attempt to undermine all the work that is being done on getting the voice of dissent out there. It also feels like a vote for complacency, which I find it really hard to accept. There are probably intelligent arguments out there against public demonstration, not to say I'd agree with them, and if that's what you're getting at, let's hear that. But I'd really rather not hear these half-hearted suggestions that despite all the work that's being done, doing nothing would be better.

I was a bit flippant back there. Sorry; i never meant to disparage, let alone undermine, the work being done by all the brave people, young and old, who put themselves on the line. I used to be one - not all that long ago. It's just that i see History rolling along, inexorably: tanks in city squares, and i'm so sick of watching the best of us become road-kill.

 

 

George Victor

Cytizen H wrote:

Personally I think its great for Canada's "image on the international stage" for the world to see the citizens of Toronto and elsewhere standing up, through a diversity of tactics, to this violent thugery that is our own federal government and an international gang of profiteers and felons.

 

"Flaherty's an interesting guy I tell you.  He is a fiscal conservative, but honestly I think Flaherty gets it, both in terms of the whole economics of pensions, and the reality of them, but also the politics of it...  He's a very astute politician."  (Ken Georgetti, president of the Canadian Labour Congress, quoted in the Globe, June 14, after Flaherty's hints at the need for some additional funding in the Canada Pension Plan. 

The "thuggery" of the federal government is being nicely concealed behind Jimmy's apparent concessions.  Mind you, he's saying that the CPP won't be doubled, as labour earlier demanded, and there is no hint of increases to the government-funded OAS  or its Supplement. And, of course, no additional percentage is gong to be realized immediately.  It would be slowly increased over, say, the 40-YEAR SPAN  that the demographers and actuaries are concerned about.  Nice. 

But apparently Jimmy's actions in Ontario a few years back, where he chopped 21 per cent off the income of every man woman and child on welfare...that's by the board.  Flaherty "gets it" , from the perspective of some; "the whole economics of pensions, and the reality of them,but also (sic) the politics of it..."   Nothing said, of course, about Jimmy's background work in preparing the finance industry to put in place those "defined contribution" plans that are not completely replacing "defined benefits"...at least, out in the private industry that is threatening to leave the country if labour calls for more.     

It will be interesting to see which  labour banners are unfurled  in T.O. next week, and  their demands on the G20.  I'm sure there are still some non-business unions in this age of financial astuteness.   

 

 

Green Grouch

Or we could all show up for the Right Wing Nut alternative alternative G20 summit and hear Karl Rove and five or so other Old White Men. If you can afford $95 minimum and a barf bag, that is:

http://www.g20.ca/

You can even go to a Sunday Stop Iran rally at the well known weekend hotspot of Gervais and Don Mills and be seen with tens of fellow travellers.

Pages

Topic locked