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Get ready for Justin-mania!

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Ken Burch
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janfromthebruce wrote:

 

He just spent one hour talking about youth empowerment and young people getting involved in politics and changing their world but I guess he really was only talking about "certain" youth who should feel entitled. Unknown, young single moms need not apply who work in bars but rich boys with silver spoons up their butts, why my, that's different.

So remember...NEVER accept a silver spoon from a rich boy.  'Nuff said.


socialdemocrati...
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Yeah, it's pretty obnoxious how much free publicity he gets from his father's legacy. But it is what it is.

 


thorin_bane
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I had a long screed about the voices of the leaders. Anyway lets just say he doesn't have the sound of his fathers voice. There are psychological markers on the sound of ones voice, along with height that correlate with percieved leadership abilities.

For the record Justins biggest drawback isn't his wooden performance, or the hate of trudeau at west, its his general lack of knowlegde on the political scene. Despite being raised in a political family. Paul Martin reminders.

The one reason I liked Mulcair is he won't get shouted down,  he really does know his facts and it makes him a strong debater. Of course with the current debate style of reading scripts this is less evident. But Mulcair will do a lot more in the house thn Justin will (if he even wins). I know the media will keep pushing for the liberals, so the NDP will have to win on knowledge, not looks and propaganda.


thorin_bane
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How does babble keep getting worse for software..double post.


Slumberjack
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You'd think that the liberals would be quite practiced in the stagecraft of wooden performers.  By now people should expect this latest prop to be capable of speaking on his own without anyone else's lips moving.  Or their money back.


kropotkin1951
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The local CBC was gushing this morning in their reporting on Justin's Richmond speaking engagement where he dragged his Mom out for a photo op, just in case anyone forgot he has some distant connection to the province. I turned it off when they started interviewing a woman who said she hadn't voted for 15 years but when she heard about Justin she was now going to get involved and do everything she could for the new messiah.  Also the organizers set up a room to hold about a third of the number of people one would expect at a contested nomination and the CBC dutifully reported on the full room as a sign of his strength.


lagatta
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Oh, that is ghastly. Believe Mum Margaret lives here in Montréal now, to be close to the grandkids and all. I dunno how I feel about that either, as Margaret is a fragile person, but it is her decision. Justin also studied and taught in BC, but it remains a fairly tenuous connection, in political terms.

JeffWells
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Justin Trudeau: Northern Gateway pipeline a ‘good idea,’ but Enbridge needs a ‘better plan’

 

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1266600--justin-trud...

 

That's just so Liberal of him.


kropotkin1951
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His Grandfather James Sinclair was the last BC'er with any political clout or name power on his Mother's side and he was in office as an MP from 1940 until 1958 and died in 1984.  He was the Minister of Fisheries for 5 years before being defeated in the Diefenbaker sweep.

It looks to me a lot like clutching at straws to find a hometown boy connection but then I am biased unlike the CBC.  Cool


kropotkin1951
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Wow she campaigned with Sinclair in 1958 or was it an earlier election?  That's only 55 years ago.  In 1958 Metro Vancouver had less than 800,000 people and in 2011 it had over 2.3 million. Yes his roots run deep .  LMAO

Quote:

Justin Trudeau’s aunt, Betsy Dening, said her nephew’s roots run deep in British Columbia. As someone who has campaigned with her father, Liberal MP James Sinclair, and her brother-in-law, the former prime minister, Dening said her nephew will surprise many people.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1266600--justin-trud...

 

 


NDPP
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Justin would be the perfect pinhead PM for an increasingly stupid country...


Lou Arab
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Two reasons to NOT take Huffington Post seriously - they site Trudeau's hair and boxing skills as reasons to take him seriously. #teenagejesus

 


mark_alfred
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I don't know.  Perhaps having pretty celebrity leaders should be the new model for political parties.  To accompany the Justin Trudeau Liberals, the Conservatives could replace Harper with Ben Mulroney and the NDP could replace Mulcair with Kiefer Sutherland or Sarah Polley.


lagatta
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Kropotkin, don't you mean the last BC Liberal?

nicky
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As for JT's BC roots, in addition to his mother's background, I think JT taught schooll in Point Grey for a couple years


Catchfire
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I <3 JT!

socialdemocrati...
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If we're counting on voter knowledge to stop a Liberal resurgence, we're pretty much screwed.

There has to be a simple counter narrative to "Trudeau the Second, Obama of the North". Considering his repeated career flake-outs, he has far more in common with George Bush's resume. But that's going to be a hard comparison to sell to a media that sees the Liberals as left-wing.


lagatta
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Justin isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, but he isn't quite as boneheaded as Dubya (I presume you mean that George Bush). At least he is articulate, about nothing much, in both official languages. He is the type of guy who tries to ingratiate himself with his audience, large or small. I remember him at a community groups event here (in Villeray - I live a couple of blocks south of his riding now) and as I was the representative of a local tenants' association at the information tables, he was going on about how we needed a "rather more" progressive government in Ottawa that would be "more" attuned to housing problems. I didn't react, just went on with the fact that we were calling for x more social housing units in the neighbourhood and a full restoration of Federal (and Québec) funding. Obviously, a politician has to do that to some extent, but it was too "naked" - it was clear that he would have said exactly the opposite to a crowd of real-estate speculators. I'm sure there are things we could elect Justin Trudeau to on the basis his hair and boxing prowess, but it would be Mr Somethingorother 2012 and he'd have to wear a retro Speedo and a really tacky sash.

6079_Smith_W
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Catchfire wrote:
I <3 JT!

Okay, I get it now. I was trying to figure out what you being less than three Justin Trudeaus was supposed to mean.

On the plus side, he has demonstrated that the state has no business in the boxing rings of the nation.


Boom Boom
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NDPP wrote:

Justin would be the perfect pinhead PM for an increasingly stupid country...

I totally agree. Can't wait for Quebec to break away and be free of those dolts.


kropotkin1951
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lagatta wrote:

Kropotkin, don't you mean the last BC Liberal?

I think you missed the part that referenced his Mother's side.  No Sinclair has been a major force since her Daddy James in the '50's.

People out here know the Trudeau name but even with Pierre that didn't lead to any Liberal dominance of BC. During the '68 Trudeau mania he did win 16 seats in BC but in '72 the total dropped to 4.  The rose on his lapel lost its bloom in BC long before he left politics.

Having said that the Charter is considered his lasting achievement and that is I think where any residual warmth for the name comes from.


6079_Smith_W
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Boom Boom wrote:

NDPP wrote:

Justin would be the perfect pinhead PM for an increasingly stupid country...

I totally agree. Can't wait for Quebec to break away and be free of those dolts.

Now hold on a sec... You're taking him with you. That's part of the deal.

(at least he seems to think so, given his comments on the subject)


ElizaQ
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nicky wrote:

As for JT's BC roots, in addition to his mother's background, I think JT taught schooll in Point Grey for a couple years

 

He lived there for several years before that.  He went to school at UBC for his education degree.   When I lived there I worked with him while he was doing it.  

This whole thing has rather a surreal air to it for me as I knew him as just a normal everyday person. Many of us didn't even know who he was until a few months later and it wasn't a big deal at all.  I think I only ever had a conversation about his family and history once when over beers someone asked whether he had met any famous people and who his favorite was. Lasted all of 5 mins as it seemed to be something he really didn't like talking about. 

I really haven't paid too much attention to him since he got into politics.  It's just too strange. lol 


Ken Burch
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lagatta wrote:
Oh, that is ghastly. Believe Mum Margaret lives here in Montréal now, to be close to the grandkids and all. I dunno how I feel about that either, as Margaret is a fragile person, but it is her decision.

Margaret was the greatest story of personal victimhood of any of the major figures of the Trudeau era...probably, it will be good for her to be near the grandchildren.  I'm not sure if it's appropriate to say anything critical about her at all.  She should just be left alone to find whatever personal healing she can find.


Brachina
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ElizaQ wrote:

nicky wrote:

As for JT's BC roots, in addition to his mother's background, I think JT taught schooll in Point Grey for a couple years

 

He lived there for several years before that.  He went to school at UBC for his education degree.   When I lived there I worked with him while he was doing it.  

This whole thing has rather a surreal air to it for me as I knew him as just a normal everyday person. Many of us didn't even know who he was until a few months later and it wasn't a big deal at all.  I think I only ever had a conversation about his family and history once when over beers someone asked whether he had met any famous people and who his favorite was. Lasted all of 5 mins as it seemed to be something he really didn't like talking about. 

I really haven't paid too much attention to him since he got into politics.  It's just too strange. lol 

Why would you pay attention, he hasn't done anything worth paying attention too. This is the,weirdest thing I've ever seen in my Life. Its like the world's critical thinking skills went to sleep. Where is the media asking why wait till now to show substance when he's been an MP for how many years? Wasn't the time to show substance when he was elected as an MP. The fawning over Justin is sicking.

lagatta
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I agree with Ken. Margaret seems reasonably happy in Mtl, near the kids, and in a large, anonymous city which also has a lot of charming spots. The seems reasonably happy is from a Chatelaine or Châtelaine interview (forget whether it was in the French or English version) not snooping or conjecture.

mark_alfred
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Most people who don't follow politics too closely think Trudeau is a bit of a light-weight, and haven't noticed the media's fawning over him.  Despite the media's fawning and rumours of his impending entry into the race, the polls have remained consistent.  So, I don't think it's any worry.  If anything, the Trudeau name will bring back some of the immigrant vote that went to the Conservatives last time, which will help in the end result of getting them out of office.  Or, perhaps, Trudeau's presence will have no major effect on the votes, and the Liberals will continue to stagnate.  Either way, I don't foresee the NDP having any major problem with him as Liberal leader. 


clambake
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CBC comment samples:

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As soon as my 17 yr old son heard Justin was running he spent the night researching and watching youtube videos on him. Any politian who can inspire my son to do that is right in my books.

*rolleyes*


David Young
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I guess Dominic LeBlanc would rather be first mate on the Good Ship Liberal and let Captain Justin steer the ship towards it's doom than try to become leader and be a foot-note in Canadian history.

Pub Trivia 2067...

Canadian Bicentennial Questionaire

Name the last leader of the Liberal Party of Canada before it ceased being relevant on the federal political scene?

Anyone???

Oh, well.  Next question...!

 


autoworker
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clambake wrote:

CBC comment samples:

Quote:
As soon as my 17 yr old son heard Justin was running he spent the night researching and watching youtube videos on him. Any politian who can inspire my son to do that is right in my books.

*rolleyes*

Justin was conceived for YouTube (or visa versa): Trudeaumania 2.0! The Liberals can raise millions just on merchandising...t-shirts, key rings, fridge magnets, school binders, lunch boxes, happy meals...

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