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Engler: Green Leader May Supports Same Old Pro-Imperialist Foreign Policies

https://yvesengler.com/2019/05/14/green-leader-may-supports-same-old-pro...

"Does Elizabeth May hate Palestinians? Does the Green Party leader want the Trump administration to attack Iran? Does she support efforts to overthrow Venezuela's government?"

Sounds like just the 'progressive alternative' to the NDP Canucklheads have been waiting for!

NDPP

Why Is Elizabeth May Suddenly Supporting Alberta Oil For Eastern Canada?

https://twitter.com/dimitrilascaris/status/1135622228001853441

pietro_bcc

Its not all of a sudden, this has always been her policy. Its just that now she's relevant so people are actually reading her platform, rather than just assuming that the Elizabeth May Green party is the most environmentally friendly because the name of the party is "Green".

Interesting article though I wasn't aware of some of the economics of it, I just don't like this idea people put forth that this is a shift in her position, it isn't.

Mighty Middle

In an interview on CTV’s Question Period, Green Party Leader Elizabeth May said she is entering the 2019 campaign with no preference for who she could see the Greens working with, other than a party that has a serious plan to limit global warming.

Specifically, the party will have to be ready to roll out a plan to limit global warming to 1.5 degrees Celsius, she said. This is something both the federal Liberals and New Democrats have said they support, while the Conservatives have yet to unveil their climate change policy, though it is expected soon.

“Incrementalism is out, and doing deals with people just for power, when our children's futures at stake is not something I will ever do,” said May. “We cannot ever accept a government that thinks they can get away with tiny targets on climate which they then don't achieve. We have to do what's required.”

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/in-minority-scenario-greens-won-t-work-w...

She said ANY PARTY and didn't rule out propping up the Conservatives if they win a minority. But it is all preferenced to "roll out a plan to limit global warming to 1.5 degrees Celsius" - If they commit to that, she'll prop them up. If they don't, she won't.

NDPP

Sign The Petition Calling On May To Take A Strong Stand Against The Alberta Tar Sands

https://twitter.com/dimitrilascaris/status/1143725543709450240

"Elizabeth May has acquiesced to Tar Sands extraction for fuel until 2050 and indefinitely into the future for petrochemical products. We have an existential climate crisis. Her policy is inexcusable. Please join me in signing this petition."

Like 'Liberal' or 'New Democratic Party', 'Green' is just a brand name to attract chumps and to keep selling capitalism.

josh

A prominent adviser to former Liberal prime minister Jean Chrétien will be helping the federal Greens in the upcoming election campaign, the party confirmed to iPolitics.

On Friday morning, The Globe and Mail’s Robert Fife reported on Twitter that Warren Kinsella will be “helping out” the party and leader Elizabeth May in its “war room” during the lead-up to this fall’s federal vote.

https://ipolitics.ca/2019/07/12/chretien-era-liberal-adviser-kinsella-to-help-greens-in-2019-election/

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

josh wrote:

A prominent adviser to former Liberal prime minister Jean Chrétien will be helping the federal Greens in the upcoming election campaign, the party confirmed to iPolitics.

On Friday morning, The Globe and Mail’s Robert Fife reported on Twitter that Warren Kinsella will be “helping out” the party and leader Elizabeth May in its “war room” during the lead-up to this fall’s federal vote.

https://ipolitics.ca/2019/07/12/chretien-era-liberal-adviser-kinsella-to-help-greens-in-2019-election/

Kinsella is also volunteering on the Joe Biden campaign. That's where his values are.

voice of the damned

Michael Moriarity wrote:

 

Kinsella is also volunteering on the Joe Biden campaign. That's where his values are.

The United States is still the United States. If 2016 showed those of us who worked for Hillary Clinton anything, it’s this:  the United States of America is still a pretty racist and sexist place.  In 2016, I was so proud to work for an amazing, progressive, capable woman – but America (including American women) rejected her, in large part, because she was female.  To beat Trump in 2020, we need to campaign in the United States that exists, not the United States that doesn’t.

Is it really wise for a high-profile professional backroom boy to post this kind of thing when working for a campaign?

Yes, I know, "the truth hurts, suck it up". But how would Canadian voters react if a professional operative from a country that views itself as more progressive than Canada(say, Sweden) volunteered to work for the Liberals, and posted stuff like "Canada is still Canada, a racist and sexist place that will never elect a female Prime Minister." I suspect that the Conservatives would be running ads highlighting that quote, with full attribution, 24/7.
 

 

Debater

This is the craziest thing Elizabeth May has done yet.  She is going to alienate Liberal & NDP voters like myself who were thinking of voting Green this year.  No progressive voter wants to support a party that has hired someone like Warren Kinsella.

voice of the damned

Debater wrote:

This is the craziest thing Elizabeth May has done yet.  She is going to alienate Liberal & NDP voters like myself who were thinking of voting Green this year.  No progressive voter wants to support a party that has hired someone like Warren Kinsella.

Is Kinsella really that big a deal-breaker for Liberals? According to wikipedia(granted, unsourced)...

Kinsella was a long time supporter of Ontario premier Dalton McGuinty, and was a fixture in Ontario Liberal Party election campaigns while McGuinty was leader.

I seem to recall McGuinty being fairly succesful in electoral politics.

Honestly, I don't think the average Canadian voter would really know or care who Kinsealla is, unless he does something really high-profile to put himself on the radar.

 

Debater

Kinsella has been engaged in a war and personal feud against Trudeau for the past few years.  He apparently is angry that Butts denied him a Liberal nomination in 2015 and that he is no longer a power player in the party.

He also blocks anyone on Twitter who disagrees with him and if you look at some of his tweets, he has said he is out to basically destroy Trudeau and defeat him.  I saw him block an NDP woman earlier, and he does it to anyone who calls him out for his behaviour.

So while he is not a household name in Canada, he has become very much on the radar of Liberal, NDP & Green and other progressive voters who are engaged and active on Twitter and in politics.  And he was trending on Twitter this morning, so it has struck a nerve.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

I think if I was a Green party activist I would be looking to have a coup. Imagine people who have given a decade to the cause to see EMay offer the leadership to a non-party member like it was a Crackerjack prize. Kinsella is a good fit for her. I have been saying on this board election after election that she plays the role of attack dog to the benefit of the Liberals. The clip of her talking over Nathan will make a good campaign comeback when she starts her preachy lets all work together and do politics in a better way.

Debater

Except this time she has brought in an attack dog who has been alienated from the Liberals for years and has said his main purpose is to bring down the Trudeau Liberals (and who wanted the Conservatives to win earlier this year.)

The theory of many progressive voters on Twitter today is that Kinsella wants to help the Conservatives by raising the Green vote.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Who knows what evil lurks in the shadows of the Green party. Here is a rather interesting read.

https://dimitrilascaris.org/2019/05/14/elizabeth-may-misleads-canadian-j...

Debater

Well, I won't be able to vote Green now this year.

I may have to vote NDP for the first time since 2004 when I worked on Ed Broadbent's campaign in Ottawa Centre.

Debater

May is already on the defensive after receiving hundreds of angry tweets from progressive voters:

We will NEVER be offensive or insulting. Warren is in a background role, not running the campaign. And he committed to living by our values of respect.

https://twitter.com/ElizabethMay/status/1149846935773360133

nicky

Kinsella is also a fan of Doug Ford. 

It is difficult to assess exactly where he stands tiday politically but i think Debater is right that he has a hate on for the Liberals.

he did have one delicious post recently after Trudeau announced restructions on plastics. Kinsella posted a picture of Justin with the caption”Single Use Plastic”

Debater

Yeah, I think he said he voted for Doug Ford.

And yes, he said a while back that his main objective is to defeat Trudeau.

And if you scroll down the responses to Liz May's tweet above, there are already nearly 400 replies -- the overwhelming majority from Liberal, Green & NDP voters saying they won't vote Green because of this.

I think she's going to cost her party some support for this -- some Liberal & NDP votes parked with the Greens may now come back.

cco

Debater wrote:

I think she's going to cost her party some support for this -- some Liberal & NDP votes parked with the Greens may now come back.

While I'd love for the NDP to pick up Green votes, I wonder how many people who aren't active partisans even know who Kinsella is.

NDPP

Finding a lesser evil to vote for is getting harder...

Mighty Middle

In a now deleted tweet, Kinsella said his number one goal this year is to make sure Justin Trudeau is defeated this October. So what better way than to split to vote and allow the Conservatives to win. Plus Kinsella is a big fan of Andrew Scheer (as evidenced by the lovefest he spouts for Scheer on his blog)

btw Kinsella also said on his blog that Olivia Chow was a terrible, terrible candidate and he regrets working with her on her 2014 Mayoral Run.

Debater

And Kinsella has been writing columns for The Sun for the past year.

And yes, he's now busy deleting as much of his Twitter history as he can because it's full of vile things.

But unfortunately for him, many people have already saved some of them -- full of nasty swearing personal attacks & all.

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

NDPP wrote:

Finding a lesser evil to vote for is getting harder...

Too true, but I still can't accept that not voting will send a message to anybody.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Michael Moriarity wrote:

NDPP wrote:

Finding a lesser evil to vote for is getting harder...

Too true, but I still can't accept that not voting will send a message to anybody.

I have been lucky because I always vote for the best choice in my riding and since the early '90's I have voted for Svend Robinson, Bill Siksay and Gord Johns. I was unsure about Gord because he is not a socialist like Svend and Bill but he has turned out to be a hardworking and thoughtful MP who has got some good ideas through the House on coastal environmental issues, so I know who I will be voting for next election. It really doesn't matter what happens with the central campaign and when I worked on campaigns in Burnaby we always had a corner of the campaign headquarters with boxes of unused crap from the central campaign with messages that were irrelevant to us winning. 

josh

Kinsella hated Martin and hates J. Trudeau.  But he loved, and still loves, Chretien, who was to their left.  But now is endorsing candidates to the right of all three.  Either his politics are totally based on who he likes personally, or he’s finally gone off the deep end.

Debater

Or he's just a shameless opportunist and immoral man who will do anything to make a buck.

As hundreds of people are tweeting to Liz May right now, she will find this out at her own peril.

Mighty Middle

josh wrote:

Either his politics are totally based on who he likes personally, or he’s finally gone off the deep end.

He has blogs posts where he PRAISES Stephen Harper and Rob Ford.

WWWTT

Debater wrote:

Yeah, I think he said he voted for Doug Ford.

And yes, he said a while back that his main objective is to defeat Trudeau.

And if you scroll down the responses to Liz May's tweet above, there are already nearly 400 replies -- the overwhelming majority from Liberal, Green & NDP voters saying they won't vote Green because of this.

I think she's going to cost her party some support for this -- some Liberal & NDP votes parked with the Greens may now come back.

I wouldn’t be so quick to underestimate the stupidity of Canadian voters. 

WWWTT

Michael Moriarity wrote:

NDPP wrote:

Finding a lesser evil to vote for is getting harder...

Too true, but I still can't accept that not voting will send a message to anybody.

And what about yourself?

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

WWWTT wrote:

Michael Moriarity wrote:

NDPP wrote:

Finding a lesser evil to vote for is getting harder...

Too true, but I still can't accept that not voting will send a message to anybody.

And what about yourself?

I'll be voting for the NDP candidate in Hamilton Centre, Matthew Green, who was the city councillor for our ward until he sat out the last election to run federally.

Debater

Yes, the NDP has a good chance of holding Hamilton Centre, even with the retirement of David Christopherson.  Although NDP support is down, Hamilton remains an NDP stronghold and I don't think the Trudeau Liberals can take it unless they enter Majority territory.

Debater

People are now donating money to the NDP candidate in Saanich-Gulf Islands to send a message to Elizabeth May.

Although she's not in danger of losing her own seat yet, I do think she messed up in a big way and will be losing support from progressive voters across the country.

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

Debater wrote:

Yes, the NDP has a good chance of holding Hamilton Centre, even with the retirement of David Christopherson.  Although NDP support is down, Hamilton remains an NDP stronghold and I don't think the Trudeau Liberals can take it unless they enter Majority territory.

I agree, but this is also a riding with a long Liberal history. It was the heart of John Munro's riding, which he passed on to Sheila Copps. I don't think this is the year for Liberals to win, but I couldn't rule it out if, as you say, the Libs are in majority territory (>35%).

Mighty Middle

Dare I say it, Mathhew Green is a potential leadership contender - along with Taylor Bachrach the NDP candidate in Skeena-Bulkley Riding

Misfit Misfit's picture

I agree with WWWTT on this.  I don’t think the majority of Canadians know who Warren Kinsella is nor do they care.

 I think that some on this thread overestimate the ability of some Canadians to think politically.  We are political because we are on this board but the majority of Canadians don’t put the thought into politics that we do.

 

Misfit Misfit's picture

Warren Kinsella is a former Liberal political strategist and insider. It appears to me that the Liberals at heart on this board are bothered by this the most. if it is true that Kinsella is out to defeat the Liberal party it would naturally be the true Liberal party faithful who would feel betrayed by this the most.

voice of the damned

Mighty Middle wrote:

josh wrote:

Either his politics are totally based on who he likes personally, or he’s finally gone off the deep end.

He has blogs posts where he PRAISES Stephen Harper and Rob Ford.

What exactly did he say in praise of Harper and Ford?

 

Mighty Middle

voice of the damned wrote:

What exactly did he say in praise of Harper and Ford?

Kinsella - Harper didn’t ever show, publicly, how some of us had seen him to be in private.

http://warrenkinsella.com/2016/06/farewell-stephen-harper-we-barely-knew...

contrarianna

Amoral hucksters, lobbyists, strategists, are hired as fixers by ALL parties. The NDP is no exception and Olivia Chow, for one, hired Kinsella as a key strategist in the past.

These itinerant montebanks focus is who is currently paying them and their own advancement.

That E. May is "handing over the party to Kinsella" is hyperbole--but hiring this gentleman will do much more harm than benefit since the reason she is doing it, apparently, is for "protecting her image", an image centered around "kinder gentler" politics.  What could go wrong?

An unbelievably dumb decision--if it wasn't May's own brainfart to do this hiring, she should fire the one who recommended it.

Why Greens Hired a Fighter, Warren Kinsella, to ‘Protect’ Elizabeth May  Former Liberal coms strategist styles himself the ‘Prince of Darkness’ of Canadian politics.

https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2019/07/12/May-Hires-Kinsella/

Kinsella cites with approval the major pipeline lobbyist outfit CEPA, (Canadian Energy Pipeline Association):

http://warrenkinsella.com/2016/11/pipeline/

https://www.policyalternatives.ca/sites/default/files/uploads/publicatio...

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Warren Kinsella's praise for Doug Ford:

Warren — Musings —06.06.2018 09:35 AM

Why it’s a mistake to underestimate Doug Ford: he’s not a snob, he’s not an elitist, and he talks like a regular person 

....Warren, old buddy,” said Doug Ford, brother of former Toronto mayor, the late Rob Ford. “We’ve had our differences but I want you to chin up. Rob and I like you and respect you. Let’s get together when you get home.”

When you’re a political chew toy, you tend to remember calls like that one: you remember who called and who didn’t. So we stayed in touch after that. We did TV political panels together and we talked pretty regularly. I told him he shouldn’t run for mayor again because John Tory was doing a great job and would cream him. He should run instead to be Ontario premier, I told him. [bolding mine]

There’s clearly a market these days for populist conservatives who defy the conventional wisdom and say what they think, I told him. And there were lots of reasons why he’d be a formidable Progressive Conservative leadership candidate....

http://warrenkinsella.com/2018/06/why-its-a-mistake-to-underestimate-dou...

and      http://warrenkinsella.com/2018/03/from-february-ten-reasons-why-doug-for...

Doug Ford as Environmental disaster:

Doug Ford government one of the most 'anti-environmental' in generations, says Green Party leader

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/doug-ford-climate-change-environm...

This rented pit-bull will devour its master.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Let none of us forget that EMay's line about doing politics differently has always been a lie. She and the people around her are no strangers to walking a fine line with their own dirty tricks. Sometimes they have gone too far but they still preach doing politics differently. Maybe Kinsella has been hired to ensure that these acts and omissions do not reoccur. He has the skill to dish out the dirt without breaching the Elections Act unlike the EMay team who last election proved to be amateurs.

Intended to sway votes

The flyer was missing key information required under the act, and suggested the NDP and Green Party candidates were only one percentage point apart. 

The flyer stated, "It's a Two-Way Race — the choice is yours Victoria — Latest Polling Results." That single-digit statistic was from the first of the six polls.

Further, distribution of the flyer was intended to influence votes of electors in neighbourhoods where there were believed to be more Conservative supporters, according to the report. The "intention" was to strategically shift votes from Conservative supporters over to the Green candidate to block the NDP candidate.

 

"The deliberate use of unreliable polling data intended for internal use, which use did not meet the informational requirements of the Act - as well as the erroneous presentation of the polling data as being the latest results when subsequent polling data was trending down - was misleading," the report reads. "It constituted an attempt to induce a person to vote or not to vote for a particular candidate using a pretence or contrivance, and as such, an offence under paragraph 482(b) of the Act."

Penalties imposed

The report said acknowledgment of non-compliance does not constitute a guilty plea in the criminal sense, and that no record of conviction is created as a result.

As penalty, the executive director must take a number of steps, including:

  • Prepare a notice in both official languages describing facts of the case and the compliance agreement.
  • Post a notice on the first page of the web site for at least 30 days.
  • Distribute contents of the notice as a bilingual news release to national media.
  • Give written notice to directors and federal council members about the compliance agreement.

'Party issue'

A notice from the Green Party of Canada issued today acknowledges breaking the rules.

"As noted by the Commissioner of Canada Elections, the Green Party of Canada cooperated fully and in good faith with the Commissioner's investigation, and admits responsibility for the acts and omissions described in the compliance agreement," it reads. "The Party also undertakes to ensure that these acts and omissions do not reoccur."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/elections-commissioner-green-party-poll...

voice of the damned

Contrarianna wrote:

That E. May is "handing over the party to Kinsella" is hyperbole--but hiring this gentleman will do much more harm than benefit since the reason she is doing it, apparently, is for "protecting her image", an image centered around "kinder gentler" politics.  What could go wrong?

I assume that by "protecting her image", May means that Kinsella will advise her on ways to protect her image, not that his mere presence in the campaign will reflect glory upon her. 

If that's the case, and Kinsella still has some political skills left, then he may very well find ways to protect her image. Things would only go wrong if the public finds out whay kind of guy he really is, which I don't think is likely, since, as I an a few others have argued, average voters don't pay much attention to who's staffing the back rooms. 

Debater

Although Misfit is correct that Liberal voters are angry with Kinsella & May about this betrayal, it goes beyond that.  It's not just Liberals, but also Green voters who are angry.  And some of the NDP voters who were thinking of voting Green, too.

As many people are saying on Twitter this weekend, this is going to cost May the votes of quite a few Liberal, NDP & Green voters, and could get worse later this year.

Debater

Elizabeth May's Kinsella problem continues to spread.

New cartoon from de Adder:

bekayne

josh wrote:

Kinsella hated Martin and hates J. Trudeau.  But he loved, and still loves, Chretien, who was to their left.  But now is endorsing candidates to the right of all three.  Either his politics are totally based on who he likes personally, or he’s finally gone off the deep end.

It's pretty much this. The world is divided into two: FOW (Friends of Warren), EOW (Enemies of Warren). FOW=his family (not including his first wife), Jean Chretien, Dalton McGuinty,  his sychophants. EOW=anybody who has ever criticized the previously mentioned. Tolerance of  EOW is no virtue, extremism in the defence of FOW is no vice.

voice of the damned

bekayne wrote:

Tolerance of  EOW is no virtue, extremism in the defence of FOW is no vice.

Fitting allusion there, considering that Kinsella's consulting firm is named after this...

https://tinyurl.com/z3fdz8g

 

NorthReport

May's Green Party must be the only Green Party on the Planet that supports the fossil fuel industry and pipelines.

Federal Green Party Leader Elizabeth May makes her way from Parliament Hill in Ottawa on June 18, 2019. The federal Green’s platform calls on continued use - in Canada - of oil and gas from domestic sources and has drawn fire from some of the party’s provincial counterparts.

FEDERAL POLITICS

Green rift opens over federal party’s stance on Alberta’s oilsands

Wed., July 17, 2019timer3 min. read

OTTAWA—The federal Green Party’s openness to continued activity in Alberta’s oilsands has created a rift with some supporters — including party leaders in two provinces — who want to rapidly shut down the industry that employs tens of thousands of people and is responsible for a large portion of Canada’s greenhouse gas emissions.

Alex Tyrrell, leader of the Green Party of Quebec, is spearheading the dissent and calling on the federal Greens to change their environmental platform ahead of the national election on Oct. 21. In an interview Wednesday, Tyrrell accused federal Green Leader Elizabeth May of being too soft on the oilsands because her party’s platform would allow the industry to continue operating for decades to come.

 

 

https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/2019/07/17/green-rift-opens-over-federal-partys-stance-on-albertas-oilsands.html

pietro_bcc

There has been a feud between Tyrrell and May for years, you just reminded me of this article posted on ricochet years ago.

https://ricochet.media/en/1399/elizabeth-may-ordered-deputies-not-to-ass...

On this Tyrrell is on the right side. But on the otherhand I have a strong distaste for Tyrrell because he's a liar. I'm not a supporter of the NDPQ anymore, but during the last election Tyrrell told a number of clear lies about the party because he was offended that another party dared to campaign as left wing federalist.

Mighty Middle

In a new interview with the Globe and Mail, Elizabeth May opens to door to propping up a Conservative Minority Government, for a price - namely action on Climate Change

Ms. May thinks that influence could even get the Conservatives to drop their dyed-in-the-wool opposition to carbon taxes if it means the difference for them between governing or spending more time in opposition.

“People change their minds when they see the dynamic of a way a Parliament is assembled and maybe think, ‘Killing carbon taxes isn’t such a good idea if the only way I get to be prime minister is by keeping them,’ ” Ms. May says.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-elizabeth-may-says-she-...

Debater

Elizabeth May has really lost her mind lately.

It may explain why Green numbers are dropping.

Misfit Misfit's picture

The proper thing to say is “we are running with our platform to win this election and give voters a real option for a greener and healthier future for our children, grandchildren and all future generations and yatta yatta yatta”. 

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