Husband of the Chief of Staff to PM Justin Trudeau Gives Up His Career To Support Hers

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Husband of the Chief of Staff to PM Justin Trudeau Gives Up His Career To Support Hers

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Katie Telford is only the second woman to be Chief of Staff to a Prime Minister in Canada (the first was Jody White for Kim Campbell's shortlived government).

Liberal strategist and former pundit Rob Silver said Monday he has left the government relations firm he helped create, citing his wife's position as Justin Trudeau's chief of staff.

"Effective Dec. 31, 2015 I am no longer a shareholder or employee of Crestview Strategy," Silver said in an email Monday afternoon.

Silver was a partner in the Toronto- and Ottawa-based public affairs agency that, among other things, lobbies the federal government on behalf of clients.

Silver, a lawyer, is married to Katie Telford, who ran Trudeau's election campaign and was appointed his chief of staff following the Liberals' majority victory on Oct. 19.

"I'm immensely proud of her and want to do everything I possibly can do to make sure she is successful," Silver said in his statement.

"I decided that me remaining an employee or shareholder in a government relations firm that does federal work while my spouse is in her current job is inconsistent with this objective."

Silver, who appeared for many years as a regular strategist on CBC News Network's Power & Politics, recused himself from the program two weeks after the Liberals' victory.

Unemployed for the first time in 18 years, Silver said he will be moving his family to Ottawa in the coming weeks. The couple have a four year-old son named George.

"I'm looking forward to spending lots of time with George and I hear Ottawa is lovely in January," Silver said in the statement.

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/politics/rob-silver-leaves-crestview-citing-...

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

Is this what we should expect for the next four years? Liberals, wonderful, everyone else, scum.

WHATEVER!

Sean in Ottawa

Why is this deserving of a thread? This kind of thing happens with sensitive appointments  constantly in order to preserve a lack of perception of bias.

Is this one more chance to pat Liberals on the back for doing what is done normally by a spouse to protect a key appointment?

I guess so but babble is a ra ra Trudeau venue now and every chance it an opportunity to open a new thread to say how freakin' great Trudeau is. There are any number of threads this extremely minor story could be placed in.

Don't we have at least a dozen saying how great the Liberal party is already?

 

terrytowel

The point of this thread is NOT about the Liberal Party. It was meant to be a non-partisan discussion. About the barriers women face when running for office or working in government. The life/work balance is a barrier for women, as they are traditionally the primary care giver to their children.

I thought it was interesting that a man is giving up his career (quit two jobs to be exact) to be supportive of his wife's career. You don't hear too many stories about it.

There are not enough women in politics to begin with, both as elected officials and staffers in government. So he is actually going to be a house husband and their child's primary care-giver. It is rare that a man would step aside and let his wife have the career.

Are their any other men who are giving up their careers to be supportive of their wife's career in politics?

Sean in Ottawa

terrytowel wrote:

The point of this thread is NOT about the Liberal Party. It was meant to be a non-partisan discussion. About the barriers women face when running for office or working in government. The life/work balance is a barrier for women, as they are traditionally the primary care giver to their children.

I thought it was interesting that a man is giving up his career (quit two jobs to be exact) to be supportive of his wife's career. You don't hear too many stories about it.

There are not enough women in politics to begin with, both as elected officials and staffers in government. So he is actually going to be a house husband and their child's primary care-giver. It is rare that a man would step aside and let his wife have the career.

Are their any other men who are giving up their careers to be supportive of their wife's career in politics?

So why didn't the OP cover that?

And there is little interesting about it -- a high profile job at this level for either spouse would normally get the sacrifice from the other.

This has nothing to do with what women face in most relationships when it comes to the sacrifices they make. This is exceptional and really not surprising or unprecedented.

 

terrytowel

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

So why didn't the OP cover that?

Well I thought the title of the thread covered that

"Husband of the Chief of Staff to PM Justin Trudeau Gives Up His Career To Support Hers"

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

This has nothing to do with what women face in most relationships when it comes to the sacrifices they make.

Equal Voice would disagree.

Unionist

Actually terrytowel, I think the story would have been more worth posting and discussing if he had given up his job to increase his share of domestic work, childrearing, etc. In fact, it's quite clear he did it only to avoid real or apparent conflict of interest. I've seen no quote from him saying he's not on the job market any more. So your thread title is quite misleading.

terrytowel

Unionist wrote:

Actually terrytowel, I think the story would have been more worth posting and discussing if he had given up his job to increase his share of domestic work, childrearing, etc.

His company is based in Toronto. And now he is moving to Ottawa.

Unemployed for the first time in 18 years, Silver said he will be moving his family to Ottawa in the coming weeks. The couple have a four year-old son named George.

"I'm looking forward to spending lots of time with George and I hear Ottawa is lovely in January," Silver said in the statement.

Maysie Maysie's picture

"I hear Ottawa is lovely in January."

In other non-news, it was COLD in Toronto yesterday! Wah wah! 

*cue for bagkitty to do some Ontario beat-down

 

swallow

Well, he's a lobbyist. When he wants to say "that place is a frigid hell which I detest with the passion of a thousand suns, and I curse the day some bufoon in England decided to make it the capital of this land," he says "I hear Ottawa is lovely in January" and everyone giggles knowingly. I think it was even in the "how to tell when a Canadian is angry" list this year. 

Similarly, "I plan to spend more time with my family" means "I am actively looking for work." When a politician says it (as we know from Yes Minister), it means "I am definitely running for office." 

I agree Rob Silver has not given up his career, but rather resigned from his current job due to conflict-of-interest. It's still interesting and as thread-worthy as most threads here. I hadn't known Katie Telford's husband was also in the politics-lobbyist nexus. 

terrytowel

swallow wrote:

I agree Rob Silver has not given up his career,

He has stepped down as an on-air pundit. So you will not be seeing him on TV discussing politics on any channel. He is actually shareholder of government relations firm he helped create. He has resigned from the firm and has stepped away.

In fairness he had said he wanted to avoid any conflict. He was based in Toronto, and will now be moving to Ottawa. Do you know what job he is going to in Ottawa? That is a government town, so he can't really do anything. Had he stayed at both jobs, then he would have been accussed of Liberal corruption.

terrytowel

Newly minted Environment Minister Catherine McKenna husband is a columnist with Macleans magazine, writing about politics. Shouldn't he be giving up that column to avoid conflict with his wife?

Slumberjack

Anyone else besides me think they could settle in right quick to being a kept man?  Hell yeah.

Sean in Ottawa

terrytowel wrote:

 

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

This has nothing to do with what women face in most relationships when it comes to the sacrifices they make.

Equal Voice would disagree.

You need to back that up -- I suspect you are wrong on this. Likely you are misreading what I said.

I am saying that typically many women make the sacrifices and that the higher end positions like this would be the exception so it is not as if there is somethign particularly newsworthy about this. It does not suggest any kind of progress or balancing. This kind of high level position was always the exception and a spouse would do something to make it work if needed.

It has nothing to do with what women in careers usually face as they are often the one to sacrifice.

If you think Equal Voice disagrees with that you will have to document rather than just name-drop.

Sean in Ottawa

Given the kind of level Silver is in as well -- there is no big sacrifice compared to what many couples face. So I really don't see the big story here.

jjuares

What a nonsensical thread. This is simply partisan drivel. Surely, the Liberals have other things they can pat themselves on the back for rather than this non- story.

Pondering

A high profile example of a man putting his career second to that of his wife is a good thing for women. Perhaps the feminism forum would have been a better spot for this thread.

There are issues to attack the Liberals over. This isn't one of them.

oldgoat

I don't see any particular attack on the Liberals here.  His severing ties with his former company would be pretty much expected, and I'm sure he's going to land on his feet.  Personally I've always thought Rob was a nice enough guy, good sense of humour, often gave fairly balanced analyses, and I have no doub't he will enjoy time with George.  There's just IMHO not much subject matter for a thread here.

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

terrytowel wrote:

The point of this thread is NOT about the Liberal Party. It was meant to be a non-partisan discussion. About the barriers women face when running for office or working in government.

Oh come on! Terrrytwoel you must think we are all really, really, really stupid. This is a non story; look at the title you chose. You're making up the contents of your tale after it was published.

Libs yeah, NDP, boo.! We get it. Yes, you guy are wonderful, and pro women. We New Democrats are scum and hate women. Yeah, yeah. We get it.

swallow

Pondering wrote:

There are issues to attack the Liberals over. This isn't one of them.

Entirely agreed. Let's attack Greens instead. Or oldgoat could convene one of those parties that used to fill up the less important threads. That might be fun. 

oldgoat

swallow wrote:

Pondering wrote:

There are issues to attack the Liberals over. This isn't one of them.

Entirely agreed. Let's attack Greens instead. Or oldgoat could convene one of those parties that used to fill up the less important threads. That might be fun. 

 

Sadly, I believe that that degree of cameraderie and community in spite of differences are a thing of the past.  We used to have really great party theads though, didn't we.  Makes me think of Skdadl .

Pondering

oldgoat wrote:

I don't see any particular attack on the Liberals here.  His severing ties with his former company would be pretty much expected, and I'm sure he's going to land on his feet.  Personally I've always thought Rob was a nice enough guy, good sense of humour, often gave fairly balanced analyses, and I have no doub't he will enjoy time with George.  There's just IMHO not much subject matter for a thread here.

Did you read the first two response posts?

I agree there is not much to talk about here. Normally that results in no one responding to the topic not a pile on against the person who posted for daring to post something others don't find interesting or significant. Every post in this thread has appeared on the front page of rabble elevating the importance of the thread.

oldgoat

Pondering wrote:

 

I agree there is not much to talk about here. Normally that results in no one responding to the topic not a pile on against the person who posted

 

You must be thinking of some other board. Tongue out

oldgoat

What the heck Pondering, I'm going to take Swallows advice.   Here, have a balloon. 

Unionist

Did someone say party time!!??

"I hear Ottawa is lovely in January"

Slumberjack

Probably a typo.  I think she meant to say the weed in Ottawa is lovely in January.

oldgoat

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

That would be two of your drinks, Old Goat?

terrytowel

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Given the kind of level Silver is in as well -- there is no big sacrifice compared to what many couples face. So I really don't see the big story here.

He is walking away from a six figure income. They are going from a two-income family to a one-income family. That is a financial sacrifice.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

terrytowel wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Given the kind of level Silver is in as well -- there is no big sacrifice compared to what many couples face. So I really don't see the big story here.

He is walking away from a six figure income. They are going from a two-income family to a one-income family. That is a financial sacrifice.

Are you their accountant? I call bullshit on you knowing anything much about their various income streams and how they will be affected by a move to the corridors of power in Ottawa.

terrytowel

kropotkin1951 wrote:

terrytowel wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Given the kind of level Silver is in as well -- there is no big sacrifice compared to what many couples face. So I really don't see the big story here.

He is walking away from a six figure income. They are going from a two-income family to a one-income family. That is a financial sacrifice.

Are you their accountant? I call bullshit on you knowing anything much about their various income streams and how they will be affected by a move to the corridors of power in Ottawa.

When one quits a job and is unemployed where does one get money?

quizzical

when one loses their job and is unemployed where does one get money?

Katie Telford probably makes as much as Justin there's no hardship or fkn sacrifice going on.

quizzical

tks Sean you're right on all accounts.

Sean in Ottawa

terrytowel wrote:

kropotkin1951 wrote:

terrytowel wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Given the kind of level Silver is in as well -- there is no big sacrifice compared to what many couples face. So I really don't see the big story here.

He is walking away from a six figure income. They are going from a two-income family to a one-income family. That is a financial sacrifice.

Are you their accountant? I call bullshit on you knowing anything much about their various income streams and how they will be affected by a move to the corridors of power in Ottawa.

When one quits a job and is unemployed where does one get money?

When you are highly employable and in demand you have three choices:

1) get a new better job

2) consult at high rates

3) start a business

I reject the idea that they did not have a family discussion about moving to Ottawa and all the possibilities that would present. This is not a person unemployed in the manner of the average worker. I am sure his phone has been ringing. I keep my sympathy for the real unemployed, for young people starting out, for older people who have lost their jobs and now have few prospects. This guy not only will land on his feet -- I am betting he already has.

I am not criticizing him for doing the right thing -- I am saying you are trying to make it into a story that it is not.

I am sure their family income is going up or the prospect of it is. And they likely made a family decision that her appointment and his move will lead them to greater benefits than before.

And no, I am not going to feel sorry for the very well off who are gaining from their party coming to power and their connections getting them good jobs. That is normal.

I will reserve my sympathy for the Canadians struggling, a good number earning under $20,000 a year and still paying tax becuase the Liberal party is directing a tax cut to those from $43,000 to $210,000 where the most money goes to those in the $90,000 to $200,000 bracket instead of raising the basic exemption. You can feel sorry for the rich guy but others will point out how absolutely misplaced that sentiment is.

 

terrytowel

Where in the title does it mention discussion about employment equity? We are talking about a man giving up his career for a woman.

Oh that is right, Sean is deflecting on the topic at hand. Again.

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

I am sure their family income is going up or the prospect of it is. And they likely made a family decision that her appointment and his move will lead them to greater benefits than before.

Sean are you a regular reader of the Ottawa Sun?

Because only people who are avid readers of The Sun would believe one gets paid better in government than the private sector! You actually take a PAY cut when you move into government from the private sector.

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

When you are highly employable and in demand..

You also realize there are some out there who have 3 degrees and are waiting tables right now. Employment is not a given, doesn't matter how much experience or how many degrees you have.

You would shocked to see how many well educated, experieneced people are standing in the unemployment line.

Now Rob Silver is in a better position than most. But to say "When you are highly employable and in demand you have three choices" is really ignorant because of the precarious employment situation out there. Especially when you are over 40. Don't believe me? Go out and ask any taxi driver out there.

The bottom line is that they are going to be living under ONE PUBLIC servant income. If you don't call that a sacrifice well. I just wonder who on this board is out of touch and an elitist.

Sean in Ottawa

terrytowel wrote:

Where in the title does it mention discussion about employment equity? We are talking about a man giving up his career for a woman.

Oh that is right, Sean is deflecting on the topic at hand. Again.

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

I am sure their family income is going up or the prospect of it is. And they likely made a family decision that her appointment and his move will lead them to greater benefits than before.

Sean are you a regular reader of the Ottawa Sun?

Because only people who are avid readers of The Sun would believe one gets paid better in government than the private sector! You actually take a PAY cut when you move into government from the private sector.

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

When you are highly employable and in demand..

You also realize there are some out there who have 3 degrees and are waiting tables right now. Employment is not a given, doesn't matter how much experience or how many degrees you have.

You would shocked to see how many well educated, experieneced people are standing in the unemployment line.

Now Rob Silver is in a better position than most. But to say "When you are highly employable and in demand you have three choices" is really ignorant because of the precarious employment situation out there. Especially when you are over 40. Don't believe me? Go out and ask any taxi driver out there.

The bottom line is that they are going to be living under ONE PUBLIC servant income. If you don't call that a sacrifice well. I just wonder who on this board is out of touch and an elitist.

Terry Towel this is utter bullshit from start to finish. You should be ashamed of yourself.

You start this thread and lift it up as progress for women. Let me tell you this -- the real issue IS NOT SOME FUCKING MILLIONARE LIBERAL

The real issue is those things I mentionned. You are cheerleading so hard that your head is up your ass on this one. The real issue is the people on low wages. It is the people facing inadequate income in retirement.

 

Sean in Ottawa

What kind of person suggests a another person on a progressive site is a reader of the SUN?

Answer the question Terry Towel becuase if I spell it out for you then you will say I personally attacked you. Your behaviour is speaking for your character -- loud and clear.

 

terrytowel

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

I am sure their family income is going up or the prospect of it is.

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

What kind of person suggests a another person on a progressive site is a reader of the SUN?

What kind of person thinks you get rich off of working in the Government? Sun News readers do!

Unionist

Stop this childish schoolyard squabbling.

Sean in Ottawa

terrytowel wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

I am sure their family income is going up or the prospect of it is.

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

What kind of person suggests a another person on a progressive site is a reader of the SUN?

What kind of person thinks you get rich off of working in the Government? Sun News readers do!

Terry Towel -- you win. That has got to be the stupidist comment that I have ever seen on babble.

Comparing a millionaire making over $600,000 a year with public workers and then saying that I am being right wing -- wow Just WOW.

Can we put that comment in the hall of fame? This is an indication of the absolutely butchered logic Liberals are using to cheer for their team.

Hopefully this can also be held up to explain why left of centre people on this site are so absolutely disgusted and yes fucking hostile to Liberals here.

Thank you Terry Towel for putting it this clearly in this thread. This is a Hall of famer.

terrytowel

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Comparing a millionaire making over $600,000 a year with public workers and then saying that I am being right wing -- wow Just WOW.

As Kropotkin1951 says

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Are you their accountant? I call on you knowing anything much about their various income streams and how they will be affected by a move to the corridors of power in Ottawa.

Well are you their accountant?

terrytowel

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

What kind of person suggests a another person on a progressive site is a reader of the SUN?

Why not ask Andrea Horwath as she advertised in the Toronto Sun.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ndps-wrap-ad-takes-over-tor...

I doubt you don't think Andrea is progressive.

terrytowel

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Sean in Ottawa

Unionist wrote:
Stop this childish schoolyard squabbling.

Read my post #35 and the replies from there. This is not a petty thing.

My post 35 addresses the priority here TT says the real issue is a person who earned more last year than most of us will in 1.5-2 decades.

You have fought on a lot less important ground.

quizzical

this smacks to me of when men get praised for taking their kids into the grocery store or looking after them as they should be.

quizzical

oh i see from a quick search the PM's Chief of Staff might make more than the PM himself.

terrytowel

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

You have fought on a lot less important ground.

Then pick what battles you want to fight here and ignore me. Pretty simple.

Sean in Ottawa

Consider this as well.

Women outnumber men in the lowest wages and have always (althought this has been closing the gap remains).

Women are more likely to work part time and therefore have lower annual incomes than men.

While only 13% of women live in poverty 30% of Aboriginal women do. 36% of single mothers live in poverty.

This on top of the fact that Women do much more of the unpaid work in our society and by this we mean, caregiving for seniors and chronically ill, household work, as well as childcare. Yet even after you ignore the unpaid work they are paid less for the paid work they do.

The Liberals are claiming great gender equality creds over the cabinet but that cabinet has endorsed a tax gift that will go disproportionately to men as it is aimed at the higher wage brackets while not putting a priority on issues mentionned here: http://www.swc-cfc.gc.ca/transition/tab_2-en.html

As well, the Liberals are accepting to put off pension reform and there again the issue affects more women than men. women outlive their savings more than men, more women than men retire into poverty without an adequate pension. Women seniors are twice as likely as men to live in poverty.

Read this: http://canadianlabour.ca/issues-research/did-you-know-senior-women-are-t...

So if you want to talk about the Liberal record on economic equity for women we can go there and this little puff story about a wealthy Liberal family is not the real thing. Handing the Liberals gold stars when the more important policies are already betraying women on the issue of money is disgusting.

So let's talk money and women -- talk about the tax policy and talk about the pension developments from the Liberal party. Then see how much any truly progressive person wants to feel sorry for Silver or any other millionaire.

I feel proud of myself to get through this post without one swear word becuase I am so sorely tempted.

Now Silver is making a smart move going to Ottawa: The Liberals are in power and they are likely to lose power in Ontario. His Liberal connections are likely to bear more profitable fruit in Ottawa than in Toronto in the next decade.

Silver will be among a substantial migration from Toronto to Ottawa over the next year.

But get your eyes on what matters: the tax cut and the pension discussion. Not a self serving migration of one Liberal from where the sun is setting to where the sun is rising for him personally.

I hope there is a Timmies near you -- looks like you need a coffee.

Sean in Ottawa

terrytowel wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Comparing a millionaire making over $600,000 a year with public workers and then saying that I am being right wing -- wow Just WOW.

As Kropotkin1951 says

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Are you their accountant? I call on you knowing anything much about their various income streams and how they will be affected by a move to the corridors of power in Ottawa.

Well are you their accountant?

Did you read the article that you posted? In it his salary is mentionned.

Sorry this is only the second stupidist comment of the thread -- you already won the award. Is it too much to expect the people who start threads to read the shit they post?

terrytowel

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Did you read the article that you posted? In it his salary is mentionned.

Please quote

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