Jagmeet Singh Issues Statement On Venezuela

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Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

Why would Singh do this?  People who are the sort of obsessive anti-leftist types that obsess on forcing Venezuela to go hardline capitalist don't share any common values with anything the NDP has ever been about.  That sort of person is not going to be pro-labour, will not defend the social welfare state, will pretty much always be a total neoliberal reactionary.  What's the point of trying to appease people like that, people who'd never vote NDP no matter what?

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

I'd say this makes a clear argument for dumping Singh as leader even if he does win the by-election.  If he's pandering to old school Cold Warrior types-a dying breed in Canada-what's he ever going to be able to say or do after that could possibly reflect any sort of progressive vision?

JeffWells

Singh's come out today with a more equivocating statement, much like his first one, which makes it look like Laverdiere maybe went rogue in the absence of leadership. Whatever the story, it's a complete disaster entirely of the party's own making.

Mighty Middle

In a quickly arranged scrum today (to talk pharmacare) Jagmeet Singh appeared to be completely unaware of the NDP position described by his foreign affairs critic Helene Laverdiere.

Asked "Who’s the president of Venezuela?"  Singh doesn’t say whether he thinks it’s Guaido or Maduro

https://twitter.com/KelvinGawley/status/1093229906924777473

Meanwhile NDP MP Matthew Dube says the party’s position on Venezuela was clearly stated by Laverdiere, says he hasn’t seen Jagmeet Singh’s statements today and won’t comment on them.

https://twitter.com/btaplatt/status/1093246203213606914

 

Sean in Ottawa

Gutless.

bekayne
epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

..smells like a power struggle. the third way vs the more leftish aspects of the caucus.

eta: svend coming forward may have paniced some third wayers.

Mighty Middle

Mighty Middle wrote:

Asked "Who’s the president of Venezuela?"  Singh doesn’t say whether he thinks it’s Guaido or Maduro

https://twitter.com/KelvinGawley/status/1093229906924777473

NDP Pundit Kathleen Monk is on CBC now and has blasted the reporter calling this a "gotcha" question, saying the more appropriate question should have been "How should we help Venezuela?" and not something as trivial as "Who is the president of Venezuela?"

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

..nothing changes without a struggle. this could develop into a situation that will require membership engagement.

JeffWells

Mighty Middle wrote:

NDP Pundit Kathleen Monk is on CBC now and has blasted the reporter calling this a "gotcha" question, saying the more appropriate question should have been "How should we help Venezuela?" and not something as trivial as "Who is the president of Venezuela?"

That's an awful remark. Who we recognize as the President of Venezuela is what this is about. If the leader of a federal party struggles to answer it it's not the fault of the question. While "How should we help?" sounds like fishing for a humanitarian pretext to abet a coup. We're hearing it all the time from those who unabashedly are.

Sean in Ottawa

JeffWells wrote:

Mighty Middle wrote:

NDP Pundit Kathleen Monk is on CBC now and has blasted the reporter calling this a "gotcha" question, saying the more appropriate question should have been "How should we help Venezuela?" and not something as trivial as "Who is the president of Venezuela?"

That's an awful remark. Who we recognize as the President of Venezuela is what this is about. If the leader of a federal party struggles to answer it it's not the fault of the question. While "How should we help?" sounds like fishing for a humanitarian pretext to abet a coup. We're hearing it all the time from those who unabashedly are.

Agreed. Monk is establishment NDP and betraying a lack of principles. This is the real problem in the NDP. Sorry to say.

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

Could he have answered "that's up to the people of Venezuela"?

Mighty Middle

Mr. Magoo wrote:

Could he have answered "that's up to the people of Venezuela"?

That is what he is being criticized for saying, and not taking a side.

laine lowe laine lowe's picture

It really is sad. From what I have heard or read, most unions are opposed to this bloodlust to overthrow Maduro and his government. And might I add, that this non-stop coverage on Venezuela FAILS to even give any background or detail about self-proclaimed President Juan Guadid or the party he represents.

Aristotleded24

Ken Burch wrote:
I'd say this makes a clear argument for dumping Singh as leader even if he does win the by-election.  If he's pandering to old school Cold Warrior types-a dying breed in Canada-what's he ever going to be able to say or do after that could possibly reflect any sort of progressive vision?

No. We still haven't paid the debts from the last leadership campaign. There is not enough time to engage the membership, elect a leader, run campaigns, and introduce the leader to the public. The other route of appointing an interim leader is going to be hard for grassroots NDPers to stomach, and they will not be behind the NDP. Either way, that new leader would lead the NDP to disaster, and would only be scapegoated for the loss and we would be stuck with another leadership race anyways.

JeffWells is right. The federal NDP is crashing and burning. Let that process play itself all the way out. Once the dust settles, there will be plenty of time to assess and figure out where to go from there.

Debater

"I don't know what the official position is":

Tom Mulcair discussed the contradictory messages coming from the NDP over the party's stance on Venezuela.

Watch the full interview here:

https://twitter.com/CTVNews/status/1093320228732325888

WWWTT

alan smithee wrote:

I highly doubt that Canada will be involved in any intervention in Venezuela. It's the same old lip service to the US. If we weren't attached physically, Canada would not even entertain such an idea. You know Canada is going to back the Americans. They are no longer one of our allies but what can you do? Canada is the USA's endentured slaves because of trade. And Canada will always be that way until we find closer allies in which we can shore up a trade relationship which excludes the US..

LOL! Ya ok if you say so?

Unionist

laine lowe wrote:

It really is sad. From what I have heard or read, most unions are opposed to this bloodlust to overthrow Maduro and his government.

I want to believe you're right. At least I haven't heard any union so far adopting the Trudeau-Freeland line, but if anyone has, please let us know.

 

NDPP

Check and compare:

UK Labour MP Chris Williams (and vid)

https://twitter.com/DerbyChrisW/status/1093555958339514370

"The British public are tired of war and foreign meddling. Venezuela is no different. They disdain politicians that let people sleep  on streets, while pushing regime change overseas. So do I. It's why I'm a socialist."

And quite clearly why the NoDifferenceParty is not. 

'It's time for a new politics...'

WWWTT

@NDPP

Thanks for the link!

I think in a country like Britain, the former largest imperialist empire humans (ya not the world) have ever known, more people have become tired of the horror nightmares of imperialism. 

In Portugal during the 60’s and early 70’s, the Portuguese people’s had enough of their fascist imperialist government and started the carnation revolution. 

I think other imperialists have learned from Portugal to achieve a more sustainable form of imperialism. Some of the British people are aware, how many?  Many Canadians and Americans I believe are also aware, but obviously far fewer. We haven’t hit imperialism rock bottom yet. 

Mighty Middle

Not about Venezuela but Jagmeet Singh depth of foreign policy.

Globe editorial: How Jagmeet Singh’s leadership has diminished the NDP

It’s not just his lack of a seat in the House of Commons, but his lack of grounding in the big issues of federal politics; not just his superficial slickness but his lack of policy depth; not just occasional verbal stumbles so much as a chronic awkwardness when put on the spot.

Mr. Singh’s underwhelming performance in the spotlight does not matter in and of itself. This isn’t figure skating, and there are no style points. But he is dragging his party down, and that matters. Canada benefits from a strong, articulate NDP. And right now we have… something else.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/editorials/article-globe-editori...

cco

Not about Venezuela, and three weeks old. But not about SNC-Lavalin either, so for the Liberals, it's a plus to bring up today.

Mighty Middle

cco wrote:
Not about Venezuela, and three weeks old. But not about SNC-Lavalin either, so for the Liberals, it's a plus to bring up today.

Last time I checked the the topic of this thread is about Venezuela and the article is about Jagmeet Singh depth of foreign policy. Not about SNC-Lavalin. 

What exactly is the connection between the coup in Venezuela and SNC-Lavalin (which you brought up?)  Otherwise you are just deflecting. So try to keep the topic at hand, which is about foreign policy.

WWWTT

Mighty Middle wrote:

Not about Venezuela but Jagmeet Singh depth of foreign policy.

Globe editorial: How Jagmeet Singh’s leadership has diminished the NDP

It’s not just his lack of a seat in the House of Commons, but his lack of grounding in the big issues of federal politics; not just his superficial slickness but his lack of policy depth; not just occasional verbal stumbles so much as a chronic awkwardness when put on the spot.

Mr. Singh’s underwhelming performance in the spotlight does not matter in and of itself. This isn’t figure skating, and there are no style points. But he is dragging his party down, and that matters. Canada benefits from a strong, articulate NDP. And right now we have… something else.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/editorials/article-globe-editori...

Thanks for posting this icm article proving the bias dialogue being used to blacklist the NDP! Please provide more. 

Mighty Middle

WWWTT wrote:

Thanks for posting this icm article proving the bias dialogue being used to blacklist the NDP! Please provide more. 

Then share with us some examples of Jagmeet Singh brilliant policy depth when it comes to foreign policy. Specifically China and Venezuela.

So provide some quotes, thanks.

WWWTT

Thanks for proving your own bias and bringing this a full circle. 

It will never matter what Jag says, the icm response will be the same, straight negativity 

Mighty Middle

WWWTT wrote:

Thanks for proving your own bias and bringing this a full circle. 

It will never matter what Jag says, the icm response will be the same, straight negativity 

Translation you cannot find anything of of substance that Jagmeet Singh has said on the Foreign Policy front. Otherwise you would have shared it here.

WWWTT

Bullshit Mighty Middle! I already commented on Jags take. And you know it. 

Just keep posting those bias icm links. Other than that, I have no use for you and will ignore you until then. All the best. 

Mighty Middle

WWWTT wrote:

Bullshit Mighty Middle! I already commented on Jags take. And you know it. 

You defended his foreign policy stance, when he clearly doesn't have one.

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