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Mighty Middle

NDP’s Jagmeet Singh says Canada needs a national cycling strategy

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-ndps-jagmeet-singh-says...

JeffWells

Mighty Middle wrote:

NDP’s Jagmeet Singh says Canada needs a national cycling strategy

Yessss! The NDP's back!

Just kidding.

Meanwhile, the freaking Democratic Party is debating the merits of socialism....

Left Turn Left Turn's picture

Ken Burch wrote:

And once again, let us all remember that Singh-who I agree cannot be replaced before the election-was the candidate the party "pros" repeatedly insisted the party MUST choose as its leader...that he brought so much electoral magic with him that none of the other candidates could even be seriously considered.  

Thanks, party pros...the NDP owes it all to YOU!!!! 

Let us also not forget that much of the national media annointed Singh as the NDP's answer to Justin Trudeau before anny candidates had announced their intention to seek the NDP leadership, and before Singh had expressed any interest in jumping from provincial to federal politics.

NDPP

Isn't he 'the NDP answer to Justin Trudeau'?

R.E.Wood

Mighty Middle wrote:

NDP’s Jagmeet Singh says Canada needs a national cycling strategy

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-ndps-jagmeet-singh-says...

Brompton folding bikes for all!

(Also - he looks SO stiff and uptight on that bike in the photo!)

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

I applauded my MP's efforts in bringing forward this initiative and it is one of the reasons that I will vote for him in the next election. Seems to be a lot of sneering at a very good idea.

The NDP gave up on talking about socialism when its members elected Alexa instead of Svend, purposefully to become a left liberal party.  Jack's cane won him half his seats in Quebec and his stellar candidates won the rest. There were socialists elected but they immediately got gagged by Tom, the party's new liberal leader. Blaming the party's woes, especially its centrist bent, on Jagmeet hardly seems  reasonable.

Mighty Middle

Elizabeth May is taking another shot at Jagmeet Singh, this time for him skipping the Calgary Stampede for the second year in a row. While all the party leaders (even Maxime Bernier) visited the Stampede this year, Singh has been MIA.

About Singh absence, Elizabeth May says if he doesn't "... recognize that Calgary Stampede is a must-do stop on your summer schedule, you’re just not paying attention.”

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Mighty Middle wrote:

Elizabeth May is taking another shot at Jagmeet Singh, this time for him skipping the Calgary Stampede for the second year in a row. While all the party leaders (even Maxime Bernier) visited the Stampede this year, Singh has been MIA.

About Singh absence, Elizabeth May says if he doesn't "... recognize that Calgary Stampede is a must-do stop on your summer schedule, you’re just not paying attention.”

Nothing screams environmental awareness like the Calgary Stampede. EMay is now lecturing on how to do politics the same old, same old, somehow doing politics differently is not a major focus anymore.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Mighty Middle wrote:

Elizabeth May is taking another shot at Jagmeet Singh, this time for him skipping the Calgary Stampede for the second year in a row. While all the party leaders (even Maxime Bernier) visited the Stampede this year, Singh has been MIA.

About Singh absence, Elizabeth May says if he doesn't "... recognize that Calgary Stampede is a must-do stop on your summer schedule, you’re just not paying attention.”

Nothing screams environmental awareness like the Calgary Stampede. EMay is now lecturing on how to do politics the same old, same old, somehow doing politics differently is not a major focus anymore.

Yeah...nothing could possibly be more Green than demanding that all party leaders attend Canada's most famous animal cruelty festival.

WWWTT

Mighty Middle wrote:

Elizabeth May is taking another shot at Jagmeet Singh, this time for him skipping the Calgary Stampede for the second year in a row. While all the party leaders (even Maxime Bernier) visited the Stampede this year, Singh has been MIA.

About Singh absence, Elizabeth May says if he doesn't "... recognize that Calgary Stampede is a must-do stop on your summer schedule, you’re just not paying attention.”

Here’s an excellent example of political voter failure in Canada. 

Not attending the Calgary stampede is probably the best thing to do for a major political leader like Jag, in contrast to attending. 

May this time around attacks Jag. During the run up to the 2015 federal election, May was constantly attacking Harper? But apparently now, she needs to go after Singh so she can win seats . May obviously  has no fucking idea how math works, or is a total liberal servant ;) 

Out of the 6 leaders, Jag is clearly the most competent, but for some odd reason, way back in any such poll??? And even more odd, May is more popular than Singh in polls?

So what does May get out of slamming Jag and propping the Calgary stampede? She’s never going to win a seat in Alberta. Probably won’t even get 5% of the vote

Debater

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Mighty Middle wrote:

Elizabeth May is taking another shot at Jagmeet Singh, this time for him skipping the Calgary Stampede for the second year in a row. While all the party leaders (even Maxime Bernier) visited the Stampede this year, Singh has been MIA.

About Singh absence, Elizabeth May says if he doesn't "... recognize that Calgary Stampede is a must-do stop on your summer schedule, you’re just not paying attention.”

Nothing screams environmental awareness like the Calgary Stampede. EMay is now lecturing on how to do politics the same old, same old, somehow doing politics differently is not a major focus anymore.

And meanwhile Liz May just hired a man like Warren Kinsella, and hundreds of progressive voters are sending her tweets calling her out.

Mighty Middle

Meanwhile the leader of the Bloc has announced he will take on NDP MP Matthew Dube in his riding this October

Debater

Yes, that was announced several months ago.  The new BQ Leader apparently lives in St. Maurice, but didn't want to run there since he didn't think he could beat Francois-Philippe Champagne.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

Debater wrote:

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Mighty Middle wrote:

Elizabeth May is taking another shot at Jagmeet Singh, this time for him skipping the Calgary Stampede for the second year in a row. While all the party leaders (even Maxime Bernier) visited the Stampede this year, Singh has been MIA.

About Singh absence, Elizabeth May says if he doesn't "... recognize that Calgary Stampede is a must-do stop on your summer schedule, you’re just not paying attention.”

Nothing screams environmental awareness like the Calgary Stampede. EMay is now lecturing on how to do politics the same old, same old, somehow doing politics differently is not a major focus anymore.

And meanwhile Liz May just hired a man like Warren Kinsella, and hundreds of progressive voters are sending her tweets calling her out.

Where this will particularly harm May and her party is among political activists.  Ordinary voters don't know who Kinsella is, but the people May really needs to win over-people who work to elect NDP candidates but who have come to feel in recent years that the party moved too far to the right to be worth trying to elect-will be outraged that May is working with somebody from the right wing of the Liberal Party who supports the right-wing Ontario government and prefers Scheer to Trudeau as prime minister.

Debater

Although Kinsella is not a household name, more voters are getting to read about him every day.

New cartoon from de Adder:

Debater

Jagmeet Singh tours Quebec in hopes of avoiding an NDP wipeout

The last time the NDP's support was consistently this low in Quebec, it did not hold a seat in the province

Jul 16, 2019

Éric Grenier

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/grenier-ndp-quebec-1.5212087

brookmere

WWWTT wrote:
Not attending the Calgary stampede is probably the best thing to do for a major political leader like Jag, in contrast to attending.
Not quite. Not attending the Calgary Stampede and saying why would be a good thing for him to do. Simply not showing up makes him look MIA, yet again.

Mighty Middle

Warren Kinsella has taken his first SHOT at Jagmeet Singh and the NDP by going after Jagmeet's brother.

https://twitter.com/kinsellawarren/status/1151153927406149633

nicky

Not only is this story 12 years old, it was relentlessly run by the Conservative media over a year ago during the Ontario election.

You wonder why Kinsella resurrects it now.

Except, it is no mystery that the Greens see their mission, as they ofetn have, of surpassing the NDP. They are more interested in heaping dirt on the NDP than in running against the Liberals or Tories.

Debater

The Greens have the Liberals in their sights too.  That's what Kinsella is there for.  He's said his mission this year is to bring down Trudeau.

But whether the Greens are going after the Libs or the NDP, it shows that Liz May isn't the honourable person she has potrayed herself to be, and it's going to cost her the support of many Lib/NDP/Green voters this year who want to prevent the Cons winning.

nicky

Kinsella is backing the Greens in order to defeat Trudeau, not to elect Greens. He knowsthat if the Greens poll 10% they will elect very few extra MPs but at the same time drain enough votes from the Libs and NDP to elect numerous Conservatives.

WWWTT

brookmere wrote:

WWWTT wrote:
Not attending the Calgary stampede is probably the best thing to do for a major political leader like Jag, in contrast to attending.
Not quite. Not attending the Calgary Stampede and saying why would be a good thing for him to do. Simply not showing up makes him look MIA, yet again.

Ya sorry but I don't think Canadian voters are that smart (actually, I know this for a fact!)

Jag knows he's wasting his time attending the stampede. Explaining why he's not attending is begging for greif to come his way.

WWWTT

nicky wrote:

Kinsella is backing the Greens in order to defeat Trudeau, not to elect Greens. He knowsthat if the Greens poll 10% they will elect very few extra MPs but at the same time drain enough votes from the Libs and NDP to elect numerous Conservatives.

Maybe, maybe not?

Hard to say because May and this other character that I won't bother researching are both liberal hacks. The difference between liberals and conservatives is invisible. There's a difference between a big chunk of the core supporters on either side. The liberal and conservative politicians want to make voters thing there is a difference. Lots of posters here think there's a difference. But the only difference is maybe 3 years. 4?

Debater

I agree with Nicky (and we don't usually agree!)

WWWTT, Kinsella hasn't been a Liberal for years.  He's been supporting the Conservatives and writes for The Sun.  And May is not a Liberal, either.

Nicky is correct that the Greens & the Cons are trying to harm the Liberals & NDP.

Misfit Misfit's picture

E May is a Liberal.

Debater

May is not a Liberal.  She has never worked for the Liberals.

She used to work for the old Progressive Conservatives under Mulroney.

And now she is working with Liberal hater Warren Kinsella to help pull votes away from the Libs & NDP.

R.E.Wood

Are there still NDP voters in a province that just passed a religious symbols law? Singh looks to find out

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/ndp-voters-quebec-secularism-bil...

pietro_bcc

I think there are people in Quebec who would consider voting for Singh's NDP, but he's looking in the wrong places. The focus should be on Montreal, as that is where there is a significant population against Bill 21. Sadly in most of the rest of Quebec the vast majority don't like people like Singh and they won't change their minds in 4 months. Those seats are lost, focus on trying to maintain Montreal seats and possibly even gain in Montreal by using Bill 21 as a wedge issue against the Liberals.

brookmere

pietro_bcc wrote:
Those seats are lost, focus on trying to maintain Montreal seats and possibly even gain in Montreal by using Bill 21 as a wedge issue against the Liberals.

Some wedge

https://globalnews.ca/news/5413922/justin-trudeau-quebec-bill-21/

“We do not feel it is a government’s responsibility or in a government’s interest to legislate on what people should be wearing,” he said.

 

swallow swallow's picture

No reason to give up in “the regions.” Strong local MPs can hold on, potentially, since this is not an election about religious symbols. We are not just a bunch of hicks off-island. 

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

Debater wrote:

May is not a Liberal.  She has never worked for the Liberals.

She used to work for the old Progressive Conservatives under Mulroney.

And now she is working with Liberal hater Warren Kinsella to help pull votes away from the Libs & NDP.

It's hard to believe that May hasn't at least been allied with the Liberals when you consider her history of repeating anti-NDP talking points that were started by the Liberals-including the repeatedly-discredited claim that the NDP caused the 2006 election by voting for the no-confidence motion-a report May and the Liberals repeated for a decade, even though both knew that the Liberals would have fallen by two votes even if the NDP had voted for them and even though the no-confidence motion only moved the election forward by a month-a month in which nothing that could possibly have elected the outcome of the election.

If she wasn't at least a Liberal ally, she would have stayed neutral between the Liberals and the NDP, not taken the Liberals' side against the NDP over and over and over.  She would also not have spent most of her career as Green leader seemingly engaged in a deliberate strategy to hold down her own party's growth in the seat count in the name of the "strategic voting" concept.

In any case, May has proved that her party is not anywhere on the progressive part of the political spectrum.  Paul Manly is, and so are the bulk of the GPC rank-and-file, but neither Manly nor the rank-and-file have any say in what the party stands for.

NorthReport

A Liberal - NDP - Green minority government would probably be the choice of most Canadians in the next federal election

Canadians have been hood-winked by the ‘Green’ label and unfortunately we will all pay the global warming price for it

pietro_bcc

brookmere wrote:

pietro_bcc wrote:
Those seats are lost, focus on trying to maintain Montreal seats and possibly even gain in Montreal by using Bill 21 as a wedge issue against the Liberals.

Some wedge

https://globalnews.ca/news/5413922/justin-trudeau-quebec-bill-21/

“We do not feel it is a government’s responsibility or in a government’s interest to legislate on what people should be wearing,” he said.

 

The Liberals' response to Bill 21 has been mealymouthed. "We're against it, but we won't do anything about it and won't call it out as racism." If Singh comes out strongly against it he can use it as a wedge in Montreal, but he won't do that and will give a similar mealymouthed opposition to it because being strongly against it would end the NDP's hopes of holding the regions seats they'll be losing anyway.

R.E.Wood

The Hill Times is behind a subscription wall, but the gist of the story is in the headline & clip I could grab from National Newswatch:

NDP hits pause on ads, Grits and Tories suspend TV campaigns as pre-election spending cap, summer doldrums kick in

The NDP says it has temporarily stopped running political ads on Facebook and elsewhere fewer than 100 days before the federal election, leading one conservative-tied digital strategist to suggest the party is in deep trouble, and a former NDP national director to predict the party is saving its ammunition for closer to the election.

https://www.hilltimes.com/2019/07/22/ndp-hits-pause-on-ads-grits-and-tor...

 

R.E.Wood

How the New Democrats could create 300,000 new green jobs

The Claim: "Our plan to fight climate change will create at least 300,000 new jobs."

-- A central pledge from the NDP's Power to Change: A New Deal for Climate Action and Good Jobs

The Facts: 

The federal New Democrats are promising to create at least 300,000 "good jobs" over the next four years if elected. And the party's climate change strategy makes it clear that those employment gains would come in the sectors of infrastructure, transit, housing and renewable energy. 

...

The Verdict: 

True.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/fact-check-ndp-green-jobs-1.5213920

R.E.Wood

This is from July 30, but I hadn't seen it until now, and don't think it's been posted in any of the threads here:

Singh calls for more Canadian content in government procurement process

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/thunder-bay/jagmeet-singh-procurement-1.5...

brookmere

Bombardier is losing business becaues of its terrible record in meeting deadlines and delivering a reliable product, as is well known in Toronto. Throwing taxpayers' money at it would be corporate welfare for the Bombardier/Beaudouin family which controls and mismanages the company through a two-class share structure. If Singh had said this would have to go in return for procurement guarantees he would be on to something. But no mention of the real problem.

jerrym

brookmere wrote:

Bombardier is losing business becaues of its terrible record in meeting deadlines and delivering a reliable product, as is well known in Toronto. Throwing taxpayers' money at it would be corporate welfare for the Bombardier/Beaudouin family which controls and mismanages the company through a two-class share structure. If Singh had said this would have to go in return for procurement guarantees he would be on to something. But no mention of the real problem.

Liberal and Conservative governments have been practicing corporate welfare with their favourite supporters. In the case of Bombardier, it has been going on since 1966. By 2017, under the Trudeau government topped up the Bombardier handouts  with another $372.5 million to bring the total to $3.7 billion over the 51 year period. Of course, these handouts always had 'guarantees' that later vanished.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/bombardier-subsidies-canada-boeing-aero...

Aristotleded24

R.E.Wood wrote:
Well, here is a glimpse into the NDP / Singh's Summer campaign strategy:

NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh to swing through Brampton, Toronto on a tour of Liberal-held ridings this week

NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh will swing through the GTA this week on a tour of Ontario ridings his party thinks it can win from the Liberals, as the New Democrats embark on a summer offensive in a crucial battleground for the coming federal election.

Singh’s travels begin Tuesday in the western Toronto riding of York South—Weston, where he will tout the NDP’s proposal to earmark funds for flood mitigation, according to an itinerary the party provided to the Star on Monday. Local New Democrat candidate Yafet Tewelde is trying to unseat Liberal MP Ahmed Hussen, who won the riding from the NDP in 2015 and is now Canada’s immigration minister. 

On Wednesday and Thursday, Singh will canvass voters with local candidate Emilie Taman in Ottawa Centre, another former NDP seat that now belongs to a Liberal cabinet member. Environment Minister Catherine McKenna defeated New Democrat incumbent Paul Dewar there in 2015. 

After that, Singh plans to highlight his party’s climate plan in Welland, where former MP Malcolm Allen is trying a political comeback against the Liberal who defeated him in Niagara Centre in 2015. Singh will return to the GTA to attend the Carabram festival in Brampton — a key target region for New Democrats, since it is there where Singh began his political career as an Ontario MPP — and then finish off with a jaunt through Toronto—Danforth, the riding held by the late party luminary Jack Layton. 

The party said Singh was travelling from British Columbia Monday and not available for an interview, but NDP spokesperson Mélanie Richer said this week’s tour of select Ontario ridings is the opening stretch of a summertime jaunt to regions where the party believes in can gain seats this fall. 

Richer said Singh will tour Quebec next week, and visit the Atlantic later this summer, but will spend much of his July in the GTA and Toronto, a region painted almost entirely Liberal red in the 2015 election. A host of prominent New Democrats lost their seats in that vote, as the party that was the official opposition in Parliament for the first time was returned to third place with 44 seats in the House of Commons.

">https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/2019/07/08/ndp-leader-jagmeet-s...

What a ridiculously stupid waste of the limited federal resources the NDP has. The fact that it took the NDP so long to find candidates to run in Brampton says a great deal about the public support they have in the area. Jagmeet Sing himself was not able to break through here in 2011 under Orange Crush conditions, which no longer exist. No matter what reservations progressive voters in the 905 have about the Liberals, they are not going to risk electing Conservative MPs by voting NDP. That ironically is what actually cost Singh the seat in 2011, because the NDP had no history in this area and nobody believed the NDP could win.

If you want to target progressive voters disappointed with the NDP, you should target former NDP ridings that recently went Liberal that don't have a chance of going Conservative. Winnipeg North and Winnipeg Centre are 2 such ridings. Both have had their candidates in place since last spring. The NDP nomination for Winnipeg Centre filled up an old church on a beautiful Sunday afternoon (something actual church ministers have not been able to do for decades). Leah Gazan is an amazing candidate who is determined to put everything she can into bringing Winnipeg Centre back into NDP hands. Kyle Mason has worked with community organizations dedicated to helping poor North End families. Daniel Blaikie is also in for a hard fight and could use some help here. Singh can also connect with the small Punjabi community out here. Yet time is ticking down, and I haven't heard anything suggesting that he is coming out here.

Seriously, what is going on here? Triage and priorities are the name of the game. If the groundwork for victory hasn't already been done in areas like Brampton, it is too late now. Focus on areas you can win, even if they are not in Ontario.

Aristotleded24

brookmere wrote:
WWWTT wrote:
Not attending the Calgary stampede is probably the best thing to do for a major political leader like Jag, in contrast to attending.
Not quite. Not attending the Calgary Stampede and saying why would be a good thing for him to do. Simply not showing up makes him look MIA, yet again.

Whatever people may think of the Calgary Stampede, it is an event that attracts large crowds, so it would make sene to go and meet voters. He could have used that as a launch pad to connect with voters in Calgary, or even head up to Edmonton to cultivate ways to capitalize on the strong NDP presence in the Capital. Or, as you suggested, he could call out the Stampede and explain why. This is just not smart politics for any federal leader.

R.E.Wood

This is a lengthy and in-depth article, well worth reading:

How the NDP is trying to find its feet — and make sure the 2019 federal election is not a two-way race

Perhaps more than financial constraints, though, the NDP has to find a way into the main current of political debate in this campaign, a battle that has been dominated by conflicts between Trudeau’s Liberals and the Conservatives, said Bélanger.

“Right now the biggest problem for the NDP is that they are not part of the political narrative,” he said. “If the election is cast as a two-way race, there might be little room to manoeuvre for the New Democrats.” 

But, Bélanger added, “the fact that Jagmeet Singh is still not well known is a key factor.” 

In fact, the party is banking on it. Alongside efforts to speak to economic anxieties from its left-wing perspective, the NDP believes whatever Jagmeet Singh has that inspires scenes like Della Mattia witnessed at the Metrotown Mall will be critical. 

“He is a real asset for us as a leader, in the way he can connect with people,” Howard said. “Our challenge is getting everybody to see that … The path for us to do well in this campaign is to make sure that people know Jagmeet.”

The NDP is optimistic it can happen.

But October is two months away, and time is getting shorter. Every day.

https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/2019/08/08/how-the-ndp-is-tryin...

R.E.Wood

Singh calls Trudeau’s withholding of SNC-Lavalin report ‘troubling’

https://www.nationalobserver.com/2019/08/13/news/singh-calls-trudeaus-wi...

bekayne

R.E.Wood wrote:

Singh calls Trudeau’s withholding of SNC-Lavalin report ‘troubling’

https://www.nationalobserver.com/2019/08/13/news/singh-calls-trudeaus-wi...

It was released today (the McLellan Report).

WWWTT

Aristotleded24 wrote:

R.E.Wood wrote:
Well, here is a glimpse into the NDP / Singh's Summer campaign strategy:

NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh to swing through Brampton, Toronto on a tour of Liberal-held ridings this week

NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh will swing through the GTA this week on a tour of Ontario ridings his party thinks it can win from the Liberals, as the New Democrats embark on a summer offensive in a crucial battleground for the coming federal election.

Singh’s travels begin Tuesday in the western Toronto riding of York South—Weston, where he will tout the NDP’s proposal to earmark funds for flood mitigation, according to an itinerary the party provided to the Star on Monday. Local New Democrat candidate Yafet Tewelde is trying to unseat Liberal MP Ahmed Hussen, who won the riding from the NDP in 2015 and is now Canada’s immigration minister. 

On Wednesday and Thursday, Singh will canvass voters with local candidate Emilie Taman in Ottawa Centre, another former NDP seat that now belongs to a Liberal cabinet member. Environment Minister Catherine McKenna defeated New Democrat incumbent Paul Dewar there in 2015. 

After that, Singh plans to highlight his party’s climate plan in Welland, where former MP Malcolm Allen is trying a political comeback against the Liberal who defeated him in Niagara Centre in 2015. Singh will return to the GTA to attend the Carabram festival in Brampton — a key target region for New Democrats, since it is there where Singh began his political career as an Ontario MPP — and then finish off with a jaunt through Toronto—Danforth, the riding held by the late party luminary Jack Layton. 

The party said Singh was travelling from British Columbia Monday and not available for an interview, but NDP spokesperson Mélanie Richer said this week’s tour of select Ontario ridings is the opening stretch of a summertime jaunt to regions where the party believes in can gain seats this fall. 

Richer said Singh will tour Quebec next week, and visit the Atlantic later this summer, but will spend much of his July in the GTA and Toronto, a region painted almost entirely Liberal red in the 2015 election. A host of prominent New Democrats lost their seats in that vote, as the party that was the official opposition in Parliament for the first time was returned to third place with 44 seats in the House of Commons.

">https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/2019/07/08/ndp-leader-jagmeet-s...

What a ridiculously stupid waste of the limited federal resources the NDP has. The fact that it took the NDP so long to find candidates to run in Brampton says a great deal about the public support they have in the area. Jagmeet Sing himself was not able to break through here in 2011 under Orange Crush conditions, which no longer exist. No matter what reservations progressive voters in the 905 have about the Liberals, they are not going to risk electing Conservative MPs by voting NDP. That ironically is what actually cost Singh the seat in 2011, because the NDP had no history in this area and nobody believed the NDP could win.

If you want to target progressive voters disappointed with the NDP, you should target former NDP ridings that recently went Liberal that don't have a chance of going Conservative. Winnipeg North and Winnipeg Centre are 2 such ridings. Both have had their candidates in place since last spring. The NDP nomination for Winnipeg Centre filled up an old church on a beautiful Sunday afternoon. Leah Gazan is an amazing candidate who is determined to put everything she can into bringing Winnipeg Centre back into NDP hands. Kyle Mason has worked with community organizations dedicated to helping poor North End families. Daniel Blaikie is also in for a hard fight and could use some help here. Singh can also connect with the small Punjabi community out here. Yet time is ticking down, and I haven't heard anything suggesting that he is coming out here.

Seriously, what is going on here? Triage and priorities are the name of the game. If the groundwork for victory hasn't already been done in areas like Brampton, it is too late now. Focus on areas you can win, even if they are not in Ontario.

You don’t know fucking shit A24! I’m from Brampton and the NDP through Jags supporters have a good chance there in all 5 seats! 

You sound like a liberal plant trying to keep the NDP in third permanently. 

But really who cares? Canadian voters for the most part are stupid and will believe anything. 

robbie_dee

In fairness, A24, do you think Jagmeet's appearance in Winnipeg would help, or hurt strong local candidates like Leah Gazan, Kyle Mason, or Daniel Blakie? My understanding was that Jagmeet's leadership has not been well received on the Prairies as a whole. There's certainly no love for him in Saskatchewan (although that's obviously tied in part to local issues). Jagmeet may be an asset to the party in Southern Ontario where he is from, or in the greater Vancouver area where he is currently an MP. I can certainly see his appeal in areas where there is a strong Sikh/Punjabi diaspora like Brampton, Ontario or Surrey, B.C. But everywhere else I would assume a lot of NDP candidates will be runnning away from their leader, or at least not emphasizing his role. If the goal for the NDP in this election is to save the furniture, maybe it is best that Jagmeet stays away.

Mighty Middle

NDP is politically dead in both Alberta and Saskachewan 

In Alberta, Rachel Notley is not interested in lifting a finger for Jagmeet Singh, and Saskachewan, the NDP is still furious over the Erin Weir situation, and has made their feelings known about helping Singh out. They won't

That leaves Manitoba, and they are at the starting gates of their own election, so they have no time for Singh.

So that is why the Prairies is politically dead for the NDP at the moment.

Mighty Middle

Former cabinet minister in the McGuinty Government (Liberal Sandra Pupatello) is throwing her hat in the ring, and is going to challenge current NDP MP Brian Masse for the riding of Windsor West

NDPP

The priority of most Canadians will be to prevent the return of the Tories at all cost. That cost will be the NDP. As bad as they are, most will hold their noses and vote Liberal. It must also be said, that given growing neoliberalist power and its efforts to wreak havoc upon what remains of  social support systems essential for people to live a decent life, the demise of the NDP is a devastating indictment of an obvious failure to convince Canadians they are up to that task. Based upon their performance thus far this is a correct and appropriate assessment. The NDP is politically moribund and done as dinner. It needs to be replaced with something new and dynamic that can do the job it so obviously can't.

Aristotleded24

WWWTT wrote:
Aristotleded24 wrote:

R.E.Wood wrote:
Well, here is a glimpse into the NDP / Singh's Summer campaign strategy:

NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh to swing through Brampton, Toronto on a tour of Liberal-held ridings this week

NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh will swing through the GTA this week on a tour of Ontario ridings his party thinks it can win from the Liberals, as the New Democrats embark on a summer offensive in a crucial battleground for the coming federal election.

Singh’s travels begin Tuesday in the western Toronto riding of York South—Weston, where he will tout the NDP’s proposal to earmark funds for flood mitigation, according to an itinerary the party provided to the Star on Monday. Local New Democrat candidate Yafet Tewelde is trying to unseat Liberal MP Ahmed Hussen, who won the riding from the NDP in 2015 and is now Canada’s immigration minister. 

On Wednesday and Thursday, Singh will canvass voters with local candidate Emilie Taman in Ottawa Centre, another former NDP seat that now belongs to a Liberal cabinet member. Environment Minister Catherine McKenna defeated New Democrat incumbent Paul Dewar there in 2015. 

After that, Singh plans to highlight his party’s climate plan in Welland, where former MP Malcolm Allen is trying a political comeback against the Liberal who defeated him in Niagara Centre in 2015. Singh will return to the GTA to attend the Carabram festival in Brampton — a key target region for New Democrats, since it is there where Singh began his political career as an Ontario MPP — and then finish off with a jaunt through Toronto—Danforth, the riding held by the late party luminary Jack Layton. 

The party said Singh was travelling from British Columbia Monday and not available for an interview, but NDP spokesperson Mélanie Richer said this week’s tour of select Ontario ridings is the opening stretch of a summertime jaunt to regions where the party believes in can gain seats this fall. 

Richer said Singh will tour Quebec next week, and visit the Atlantic later this summer, but will spend much of his July in the GTA and Toronto, a region painted almost entirely Liberal red in the 2015 election. A host of prominent New Democrats lost their seats in that vote, as the party that was the official opposition in Parliament for the first time was returned to third place with 44 seats in the House of Commons.

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What a ridiculously stupid waste of the limited federal resources the NDP has. The fact that it took the NDP so long to find candidates to run in Brampton says a great deal about the public support they have in the area. Jagmeet Sing himself was not able to break through here in 2011 under Orange Crush conditions, which no longer exist. No matter what reservations progressive voters in the 905 have about the Liberals, they are not going to risk electing Conservative MPs by voting NDP. That ironically is what actually cost Singh the seat in 2011, because the NDP had no history in this area and nobody believed the NDP could win.

If you want to target progressive voters disappointed with the NDP, you should target former NDP ridings that recently went Liberal that don't have a chance of going Conservative. Winnipeg North and Winnipeg Centre are 2 such ridings. Both have had their candidates in place since last spring. The NDP nomination for Winnipeg Centre filled up an old church on a beautiful Sunday afternoon. Leah Gazan is an amazing candidate who is determined to put everything she can into bringing Winnipeg Centre back into NDP hands. Kyle Mason has worked with community organizations dedicated to helping poor North End families. Daniel Blaikie is also in for a hard fight and could use some help here. Singh can also connect with the small Punjabi community out here. Yet time is ticking down, and I haven't heard anything suggesting that he is coming out here.

Seriously, what is going on here? Triage and priorities are the name of the game. If the groundwork for victory hasn't already been done in areas like Brampton, it is too late now. Focus on areas you can win, even if they are not in Ontario.

You don’t know fucking shit A24! I’m from Brampton and the NDP through Jags supporters have a good chance there in all 5 seats!

Fair enough if you're actually on the ground in Brampton, and are seeing things happen locally that the national media or public opinion polling have yet to pick up. From my vantage point, the NDP have not historially been in contention in Brampton. If the priority is to stop the Conservatives, then progressives are going to go for whichever party is most viable, so provincially that would have been the NDP, and federally that would have been the Liberals. Even in Manitoba, when the NDP used to win large majorities in the 2000s, that spill-over never helped the party federally, and the NDP is better established in Manitoba than in the 905. Again, things change, and if there is something happening on the ground not obvious to people who don't live there, we will see that play out.

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In fairness, A24, do you think Jagmeet's appearance in Winnipeg would help, or hurt strong local candidates like Leah Gazan, Kyle Mason, or Daniel Blakie? My understanding was that Jagmeet's leadership has not been well received on the Prairies as a whole. There's certainly no love for him in Saskatchewan (although that's obviously tied in part to local issues). Jagmeet may be an asset to the party in Southern Ontario where he is from, or in the greater Vancouver area where he is currently an MP. I can certainly see his appeal in areas where there is a strong Sikh/Punjabi diaspora like Brampton, Ontario or Surrey, B.C. But everywhere else I would assume a lot of NDP candidates will be runnning away from their leader, or at least not emphasizing his role. If the goal for the NDP in this election is to save the furniture, maybe it is best that Jagmeet stays away.

Then that says a great deal about his lack of outreach to this part of the country, and it boggles the mind that a new leader wouldn't have reached out in areas that are strong for the NDP. As for Winnipeg, there are many New Canadians here that he could find support among, including a small Punjabi community.

As far as the leader staying away? We are in a provincial election campaign right now, and the one riding that has a realistic chance of going Green is in Winnipeg Centre. Elizabeth May will certainly stop by Winnipeg during the campaign. The success or failure of the Winnipeg Centre NDP campaign will hinge on how effectively it handles the small-g green vote, and Singh staying away is not going to help out. As far as Manitoba goes, here Singh isn't really on the radar one way or another, but if he has messed things up to the point that him showing up hurts the party (a la Hillary Clinton in Wisconsin and Michigan) that is pretty bad.

By the way, disregard the pundits who say that Winnipeg Centre is a surefire Liberal hold. I was at the nomination meeting. It was an old church that was packed on a beautiful spring Sunday afternoon. I spoke to the candidate. I live here. Yes, she is swimming against some very strong currents, but this constituency is very winnable for the NDP.

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That leaves Manitoba, and they are at the starting gates of their own election, so they have no time for Singh.

But Singh has spoken of Waub Kinew as his "friend and brother". Will the bros stand together during their near-overlapping campaigns?

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