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Ippurigakko

JT trying to same as Harper style because he thinks Canadian will vote him from conservative voters. Liberal is too closer Conservative than NDP.

Do you think most Progressive Conservative voters going to vote Liberal for JT?? like Calgary-Centre by-election....

 

nicky

In Toronto we are learning a lesson from electing an unqualified lightweight (intellectually speaking that is)

Stockholm

Justin reminds me more and more of Rick Perry that nincompoop from Texas with beautiful hair who was - briefly - the frontrunner for the GOP nomination.

Enjoy...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tuTufVOaF0w

 

Justin is what they call in Alberta "all hat and no cattle"

socialdemocrati...

Justin is a parody of a pandering politician.

1. "The separatists are too obsessed with language. But I'm for bill 101. The separatists are the worst threat to this country. But I hate Harper enough that I'd want to separate."

2. "I'm the unity candidate. BTW, this country belongs to Quebec, go fuck yourself Alberta. BUT don't criticize the oilsands, because that's divisive."

3. "We care about the environment. BUT we'll never say anything mean about oil, because that would be anti-Western. BUT hey, Harper, why aren't you doing anything about the oilsands? BTW let's ship oil to China."

4. "It's time to do something about equality. BUT we shouldn't attack success. BUT wealth comes with responsibility. BUT let's quietly support corporate tax cuts for decades."

And now:

5. "It's time to get rid of the gun registry. BUT of course I supported the gun registry because it was a good idea. BUT having a gun is a Canadian value!!"

That's literaly FIVE principles where he's tried to have it both ways, in just under 3 months.

They say Liberals don't believe in anything.

Maybe Justin's solution is that the new Liberal party believes in everything!!!

janfromthebruce

Stockholm wrote:

Justin reminds me more and more of Rick Perry that nincompoop from Texas with beautiful hair who was - briefly - the frontrunner for the GOP nomination.

Enjoy...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tuTufVOaF0w

 

Justin is what they call in Alberta "all hat and no cattle"

 

All could imagine was what that would be like to forget one's major plank in a broadcast debate to the nation and not even having it written down anywhere - oops was the best "bunchline"

clambake

Arthur Cramer wrote:

clambake wrote:

Lots of comments on the CBC defending Justin. What is with this irrational loyalty to defend the Liberal brand?

Bottom line, people tend to speak up when they agree with something, and to be quiet when they don't. I don't know how much truck I would put in what you are seeing on the CBC website. Honestly, I don't go there anymore. It is a COMPLETE waste of time. Post here instead!

 

That, I intended! I do have a habit of frequenting the comments page on the CBC and Globe websites, mostly to gauge the responses and then trying to debate/persuade other posters. Though recently i've been frequenting the Sun News Facebook page with that purpose. I can't begin to describe the utter ignorance and childish attitudes out of some of the members there. Especially since many of them appear to be older with pictures of their kids in their profile. It really is astounding, and disturbing to imagine that these types of values are being passed on. Yet I can't seem to kick the habit of visiting the page - I think at this point i'm trying to figure out what makes them think the way they do. Though it is incredibly frustrating yet I can't seem to break the habit!

 

Ippurigakko

"Trudeau says no to constitutional changes" on cbc.

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

Trudeau is speaking at the "Reviving the Islamic Spirit conference" Does anyone know about this group or its sponsor? Is Mulcair speaking there? Should he be? Are we watching the NDP missing yet one more chance to build bridges and make in ways in expanding its support among Canadians?

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

Arthur Cramer wrote:

Trudeau is speaking at the "Reviving the Islamic Spirit conference" Does anyone know about this group or its sponsor? Is Mulcair speaking there? Should he be? Are we watching the NDP missing yet one more chance to build bridges and make in ways in expanding its support among Canadians?

From the article on the Global News site, it appears that the speech is by invitation, and not open to all comers. It also mentions that Jack Layton addressed an earlier version of this event while he was leader of the NDP. Most of the article is about the right-wing criticism of Trudeau for appearing at an Islamic event. I just hope Mulcair defends Trudeau's appearance rather than attacking it when the question is asked of him, as it most likely will be.

 

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

Well pardon me for being cynical, but isn't this opportune? The idea of people thinking th is guy is some kind of great Canadian unifer drives me nuts. I agree though, I hope Tom makes some kind of positive statement.

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

Garneau wants tax cuts"

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His platform calls for capital gains taxes to be eliminated for Canadian entrepreneurs, payroll tax breaks for small and mid-sized businesses that invest in employee training as well as firms that hire students in skilled jobs. It also includes measures to help recent immigrants find work in line with their field of training.

Garneau also chided the business sector for failing to take risks and invest in research and development."

How many studies do we have to produce showing this doesn't work before these guys stop proposing this?

felixr

Garneau wants Reaganomics!

Cut taxes for the super rich and the budget deficit will magically shrink. "Taking Canada to new heights" means scaling up the beanstalk.

Brachina

As if Trudeau's attack on the gun registery wasn't disasterous enough to his rep and support, the recent school shootings will only magnify it and make it worse. His timing couldn't have been worse barring making the announcement on the day of the shootings.

We need a Gun Registery in this country, abiet we should learn from the mistakes of the liberals and consult with the public first to identfy flaws and build a better verison that is both more effective and that addresses reasonable concerns (aka no wingnut stuff) of hunters and others with a vested interest.

Lou Arab Lou Arab's picture

Never underestimate the ability of a Liberal to flip, flip back, and flip back again on a position.  Rest assured if public opinion changes, young Teen Jesus will change with it.

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

Lou Arab wrote:

Never underestimate the ability of a Liberal to flip, flip back, and flip back again on a position.  Rest assured if public opinion changes, young Teen Jesus will change with it.

"...young Teen Jesus...", LOL LOU. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Smile

Unionist

felixr wrote:

Hey! Take it easy on teens. According to polling the NDP holds a crushing lead in the younger demographic, no matter how you define it. It is post-menopausal women that are gaga for Trudeau. I don't think Trudeau has ever led polling in the younger demographic since launching his leadership bid. And now back to serious discussion...

No comment is too offensive when you're tring to discredit someone of the wrong party. Apparently.

Unionist

Delete your comment, and we can move on. I will not chill out. Your comment shows clearly how base electoral politics is closely tied to contempt for human beings. Similar to religion in that respect.

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

felixr wrote:

Hey! Take it easy on teens. According to polling the NDP holds a crushing lead in the younger demographic, no matter how you define it. It is post-menopausal women that are gaga for Trudeau. I don't think Trudeau has ever led polling in the younger demographic since launching his leadership bid. And now back to serious discussion...

felixr, this comment is sexist and agist. Don't make generations about women of any imaginary social category you dream up. This sort of statement is not welcome anywhere on babble.

Malcontent

Jacob Two-Two wrote:

What has the party brass been failing to do about Justin Trudeau that makes you think they don't "get it"? Should they have had him whacked by now?

Personally, I don't think Trudeau will end up being a problem after he falls on his face a few times and gets pegged as the dilettante that he is, but that's just me. I doubt anyone in the party is taking that for granted. I'm pretty sure they're thinking hard about how to counteract Trudeau if he turns out to be popular, but it would be more than premature to launch some major offense against the guy before he's even become the leader.

 

So you support the NDP doing nothing as usual against their opponents? That is always their problem, they wait and wait and never do much..

Yes Trudeau will be a problem and no doubt win the next federal election.  This is Canada and so so many sheep and people who are ga ga over celebrity. The media will hype him up and  they will vote for him just for that.  yet the NDP will be in denial, do nothing as usual and will suffer the consequences for that.

It sounds harsh but it is the truth. I am an NDP supporter but election after election provincially and federally they frustrate the hell out of me by doing 'nothing or very little'..They will sit and take it like they do with harper...

NDPP

Jewish Defence League to Protest Trudeau's Appearance at Muslim Brotherhood Taqiyya Fest

http://blazingcatfur.blogspot.ca/2012/12/jdl-to-protest-trudeaus.html

JDL Canada, Sun News and other members of the extensive and powerful Zionist lobby have targeted Trudeau for his keynote address 'Being Inclusive in Canada' to be given at the Reviving the Islamic Spirit Conference in Toronto, Dec. 22.

'Justin Trudeau Runs Away from Sun News'

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/2034017707001

for those who still vote and who wish to oppose Zionist power in Canada, perhaps Trudeau is a 'lesser evil' than Mulcair, 'an ardent supporter of Israel in all situations and circumstances'..

felixr

La dee da

felixr

Ho hum didi um

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

NDPP wrote:

Jewish Defence League to Protest Trudeau's Appearance at Muslim Brotherhood Taqiyya Fest

http://blazingcatfur.blogspot.ca/2012/12/jdl-to-protest-trudeaus.html

JDL Canada, Sun News and other members of the extensive and powerful Zionist lobby have targeted Trudeau for his keynote address 'Being Inclusive in Canada' to be given at the Reviving the Islamic Spirit Conference in Toronto, Dec. 22.

'Justin Trudeau Runs Away from Sun News'

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/2034017707001

for those who still vote and who wish to oppose Zionist power in Canada, perhaps Trudeau is a 'lesser evil' than Mulcair, 'an ardent supporter of Israel in all situations and circumstances'..

Well notwithstanding my dissapointment with Mulcair, to say the least, as Jew, all I can say is this G-d damn infuriating. The JDL and the rest of them can go to hell as far as I am concerned. Don't look at me to go "Ready Aye Ready", just because some wealthy Jew tells me to. They can go to hell as far as I am concenred. Come on Mulcari, do the right thing and step up in support of JT's speech. Talk about a lost opportunity to do the right thing.

NDPP

You're right Arthur. And the fact he hasn't tells you he reckons there's more to be gained by staying silent. As you say, 'a lost opportunity to do the right thing.'Again.

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

On the Huff Po tonight, "to the right, to the right, to the right, Liberal Candidates' Conservative Tilt Angers Progressives.

My question is, why? Doh!

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Tom Flanagan on P&P endorsed Hall-Findlay tonight. Flanagan is the one responsible for giving us Harper.

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

I'm more convinced than ever than ever that if Trudeau wins, Harper will eat him alive.

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

I don't know where to put this. On the Huff Post a Lib voter said well I guess I'll vote Green now, because they are "center left". May is good on social issues. These guys are hopeless.

Ippurigakko

Tom Flanagan get out! he trying help ppl who turn power.......

theleftyinvestor

When Joyce Murray is the person that "left" Liberals have to turn to, you know they are in trouble.

janfromthebruce

ho ho ho theleftinvestor - the reds are trying everything to all things to all people - as usual.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

In the meantime a nut bar fringe catholic group wants Trudeau banned from speaking at a catholic high school.  Their morality is certainly situational since this is a school where the Vice Principal molested children for years before being promoted to Principal despite numerous complaints made against him.

Quote:

In a statement released Dec. 18, the president of Campaign Life Catholics, Suresh Dominic, said "Trudeau's virulent opposition to key Catholic moral teachings on abortion and homosexual 'marriage,' while deceptively calling himself a faithful Catholic, make it grossly inappropriate for the school to give him a platform," Dominic is helping organize the protest at the school board to pressure trustees to cancel the event.

"The Board may be inviting spiritual harm to children who, seeing Justin's anti-Christian witness, may come to believe that it is acceptable for a Catholic to support the grave sins of abortion and homosexual 'marriage," Dominic said.

But the Bishop of Sault Ste Marie, Jean-Louis Plouffe, has issued a statement supporting Mr. Trudeau's appearance at the Sudbury school, according to the Sudbury Star. And one local Catholic school board trustee, Estelle Scappatura, earlier quoted as supporting the call to ban Trudeau's appearance, has retracted that position in light of her Bishop's statement.

http://thetyee.ca/Blogs/TheHook/Federal-Politics/2012/12/19/Anti-choice-...

ygtbk

Boom Boom wrote:

Tom Flanagan on P&P endorsed Hall-Findlay tonight. Flanagan is the one responsible for giving us Harper.

Martha Hall Findlay seems to be the most impressive Liberal leadership candidate. Take a look at her bio:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha_Hall_Findlay

However, the Trudeau name has the power to cloud men's (& women's) minds...

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

I just skimmed the Wiki page, didn't see anything that makes her a great candidate - rather she comes across as a loser. I've seen her described as te most right-wing of all the Liberal candidates. Oh - and she wants to end "supply management".

David Young

Boom Boom, perhaps that's the point!

What ygtbk may mean is that M.H.F. is the one Liberal leadership hopeful who would drive the last nail in the Liberal coffin.

 

Jacob Two-Two

ygtbk said "Most impressive" of the Liberal candidates. That's a far cry from saying "great". The most impressive could still suck.

Brachina

http://www.lfpress.com/2012/12/21/trudeau-in-hot-seat-with-muslims

I have no desire to see Mulcair bail Trudeau out and while I don't agree with Tarak on many things I can sympathise with being called apostate every time one doesn't toe the party line. It's like how Jewish people get called self hating jews if they don't agree with how Isreal conducts itself.

Truth be told Trudeau is screwed no matter what he does, if goes he's going to piss off one set of Muslims, Isrealis, and possibly others, and if he backs out he'll look weak, and piss off a different set of Mulsims and thier allies.

ygtbk

Thanks, all, for trying to suss out my meaning. I was actually being unironically serious. But there's a catch.

It seems likely (to me) that Martha Hall Findlay would be a good candidate for the Liberals if you could win an election with a serious policy wonk. But neither Dion or Ignatieff (both of whom qualified in that category) won. Therefore I will not be surprised if Justin ends up as leader.

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Yeah, I think of all the candidates, MHF is the one most likely to kill off the Liberals for good. But she won't win the leadership.

Ippurigakko

Liberal never been woman leader before... so i guess they will pick woman liberal leader - 3 candidates Coyne, Findlay and Murray.... lots of men candidates looks like vote splitting. Like Alberta PC

adma

Boom Boom wrote:

Yeah, I think of all the candidates, MHF is the one most likely to kill off the Liberals for good.

At least reflexively, as being the most likely to strike a "Cameron-Clegg" coalition deal w/Harper....

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

Trudeau's picture is in the Huff Post. Never mind the obvious political oppurtunis, and the obvious LPC cupability on things having evolved to where they are, does this help him and hurt the NDP? Should Mulcair have gone? Have any NDP MPs visited her? Are we letting Trudeau score more points? Does this really hurt the NDP? If it does, what the hell is the matter with the NDP brain trust. If it doesn't, then how am I over reacting. To say the least, this really gets under my skind considering how long the Libs had to fix this and didn't.

Ippurigakko

U talk about Chief spence?

Dont worry about him!

NDP MP Charlie already met her before she on hunger strike.

Keep mind in Attawapiskat voted NDP 91.8% on Elections raw data.

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

IP, I know that The problem is, the MSM is ignoring what Charlie did and the fact that the NDP got 91% of the vote. It doesn't fit the Trudeau as Messiah narrative. But thanks. Cheers my friend!

Hunky_Monkey

Arthur... I saw on Megan Leslie's FB page that several NDP caucus members were meeting with Chief Spence... and they were actually flying back to Ottawa for it.  I know Megan along with Robert Chisholm were suppose fly back but not sure if they did due to weather.  I know Megan was proud how many were flying back on their break.  Though as you point out, I doubt it would get much media attention.

Unionist

[url=http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Rock+star+Justin+Trudeau+wide+lead+L...'Rock star' Justin Trudeau has wide lead in Liberal race: Poll also shows most Canadians believe Quebec MP has best chance against Harper[/url]

 

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

From the article Unionist quoted just above:

"The only thing that could happen is Trudeau blowing himself up," he said. "Something is going to have to happen to make him not the obvious choice."

Hasn't he done this already? Obviously, he's quoted in Teflon. This is scary.

I don'ts ee where the article shows that Canadians see him as the best choice to beat Harper. And all this nonsense about a coalition, or us working in some other way not to split the vote, get ready for it, the MSM is going to push this really hard and then blame us if Harper wins again.

What a bunch of Malarkey!

nicky

The article linked by Unionist entirely ignores that the Angus Reid poll shows the NDP in a virtual tie with the Cons - C 35 N 33 L 19.

It is true that the Liberal % doubles if Trudeau is posited as leader but a base Liberarl vote which does not exceed their vote in 2011 must be of concern to those Liberals who doubt  Justin's substance.

If he does not meet his exalted expectations the poll shows just how far they can rachet down.

Centrist

Here's another article about the same Ipsos poll from another right-wing rag - which actually has a silver-lining (gold-lining) IMHO:

Quote:
The Ipsos Reid survey, conducted exclusively for Postmedia News and Global TV, reveals that 45% of Canadians agree the official Opposition has earned the right to govern. About the same number, 44%, approve of the job Mulcair has done so far.

In fact, Mulcair won the same approval rating as Prime Minister Stephen Harper.

Pollster Darrell Bricker said there’s good reason for the NDP to be optimistic...

Canadians are pretty well evenly split when it comes to sharing the NDP’s values, with 51% saying they do and 49% saying they don’t. That said, more Canadians seem to agree with the NDP’s take on issues than is the case for the Harper Conservatives.

Quebecers — who voted overwhelmingly for the NDP in 2011, electing a record 59 MPs (one of whom has since crossed the floor to sit with the Liberals) — were most supportive of an NDP government with 56% saying the party is ready. Ontarians were the next most supportive at 45%, followed by British Columbians (42%), Saskatchewanians and Manitobans (42%) and Atlantic Canadians (39%).

Canadians were evenly split on the question of whether the NDP would do a good job of managing the economy with half saying they would and the other half saying they would not.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/01/04/ndp-riding-high-but-could-be-knocked-off-course-by-trudeau-poll/

These are very important background political stats in favour of the NDP as we move forward. In fact, they point to the actual likelihood of an NDP government in 2015, should the Cons tank - as they most likely will.

 

 

Brachina

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