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Liberal leadership race

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mark_alfred
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janfromthebruce wrote:

And reading Murray's present thoughts on 3 parties who not the Conservatives electing one candidate is like pre-election primary. So what happens is the candidate with the most bucks wins the nomination prior to the real deal - election - thus costing big bucks and deep pockets. She suggested it would be open to the constituents and not just members of each riding association.

I wonder if this is to get around the limit on campaign spending????

That's an interesting thought. 


Rabble_Incognito
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The Liberal Party of Canada has no substantive set of principles, beyond love of family and things 'Canadian'.

If Canadians want a charismatic leader who will swing with the rich, they have Garneau and Trudeau now - neither has a platform, or knows yet what they think. They'll learn what they think as the polls come in - it is a race with lots of charisma, little in the way of brand recognition - they just smell like tories with better social graces. People love cults of personality.

Our rep has a background in law and public administration - knowing what you're doing is the 'new black' as far as I'm concerned. The NDP should taunt these guys as really not standing for much of anything - they don't have a background making law, or deciding on the judicious use of public funds.

Garneau in particular wasn't a successful scientist, nor a terribly successful military person, and as a politician, he hasn't rocked the world. Trudeau has great hair. These guys are nothing to worry about - the real opponent is Harper.


mark_alfred
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Rabble_Incognito wrote:

little in the way of brand recognition - they just smell like tories with better social graces.

But that is the Liberal brand and always has been.


TheArchitect
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Marc Garneau's new slogan is Let's Take Canada to New Heights.  He's sure not being subtle about emphasizing his astronaut past.


socialdemocrati...
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The Liberal brand is "we're the only ones competent enough to govern, the other parties are too ideological". So running on nothing has worked for them before in the past, as has promising everything to everyone and breaking every promise. The question is whether 10 years out of power is enough to make people forget that, and trust them once again.


NorthReport
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What a hapless bunch.

What are their positions on foreign workers, the expanding gap between the rich and the poor, building a German-like apprenticeship program in Canada so we can make goods here, creating a portable company pension plan, leveling the playing field so that can once again unions will have a fair chance at organizing. Just don't hold your breath for these right-wingers to do anything except help the rich. Harper must be enjoying this, as right-wing voters when faced will vote for the real thing - think how effective tthe coke ads are.  And forget these LPC aspiring leader's bulls*** statements, what are their respective voting records. Canadians are just sick and tired of LPC lies, corruption and fraud.

Oh, look at me I'm standing on a table in a former MP's home. I just can't believe this pathetic crap. And this is what passes for leadership within the LPC.

http://www.ottawasun.com/2012/11/28/trudeau-slams-tory-divisions-2

Liberal leadership field a mile wide and a inch deep Wink

http://thechronicleherald.ca/opinion/199573-hebert-liberal-leadership-fi...


NorthReport
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This should be Trudeau's theme song as it fits him to "T"

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKFTtYx2OHc


socialdemocrati...
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From this article... www.ottawasun.com/2012/11/28/trudeau-slams-tory-divisions-2

Little Trudeau wrote:
“The politics of division don't work in the Liberal party.”

Little Trudeau wrote:
“Canada isn't doing well right now because it's Albertans who control our community and socio-democratic agenda.”

And just to kick himself in the face one more time:

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He said the Conservatives and NDP have a propensity for telling Canadians why they should vote against their opponents rather than giving them reasons to vote for their candidates.

This from the Liberal Party? Are you kidding me? Are you fucking kidding me?

 


PrairieDemocrat15
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socialdemocraticmiddle wrote:

From this article... www.ottawasun.com/2012/11/28/trudeau-slams-tory-divisions-2

Little Trudeau wrote:
“The politics of division don't work in the Liberal party.”

Little Trudeau wrote:
“Canada isn't doing well right now because it's Albertans who control our community and socio-democratic agenda.”

And just to kick himself in the face one more time:

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He said the Conservatives and NDP have a propensity for telling Canadians why they should vote against their opponents rather than giving them reasons to vote for their candidates.

This from the Liberal Party? Are you kidding me? Are you fucking kidding me?

I recall during the last election campaign, just after the NDP surge, Michael Ignatieff's best pitch was (approximation): "We don't want a government of the far-left; we don't want a government of the far-right; we want a nice, centrist, Liberal government."

What vision from the Party of No Ideas!

 


PrairieDemocrat15
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socialdemocraticmiddle wrote:

From this article... www.ottawasun.com/2012/11/28/trudeau-slams-tory-divisions-2

Little Trudeau wrote:
“The politics of division don't work in the Liberal party.”

Little Trudeau wrote:
“Canada isn't doing well right now because it's Albertans who control our community and socio-democratic agenda.”

And just to kick himself in the face one more time:

Quote:
He said the Conservatives and NDP have a propensity for telling Canadians why they should vote against their opponents rather than giving them reasons to vote for their candidates.

This from the Liberal Party? Are you kidding me? Are you fucking kidding me?

I recall during the last election campaign, just after the NDP surge, Michael Ignatieff's best pitch was (approximation): "We don't want a government of the far-left; we don't want a government of the far-right; we want a nice, centrist, Liberal government."

What vision from the Party of No Ideas!

 


clambake
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Trudeau calls long-gun registry 'a failure'

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/12/01/pol-the-house-justin-tr...

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Where Justin Trudeau stands

  • On a carbon tax versus a cap-and-trade scheme, Trudeau said, "I don't know."
  • On raising the GST: "No."
  • On smoking pot, Trudeau said, "Yes, I have. I'm not particularly fond of it, but I have."
  • On decriminalizing and legalizing marijuana, Trudeau said, "yes," and added that "it's an automatic next step to look at taxing and regulation."
  • On legalizing, decriminalizing or deregulating acts associated with prostitution: "I don't know yet."
  • On the proposed Northern Gateway pipeline project, Trudeau said he's not opposed to pipelines in general, just this particular one, citing environmental concerns. "It's the wrong one."
  • On China's growing investment in Canada's natural resources: Trudeau said that he's in favour of more trade with China and that's it's important to "engage" with the Chinese and not be "dictating at them." He called Prime Minister Stephen Harper's early stance with China "immature."
  • On Old Age Security, Trudeau said he would reverse the federal government's decision to raise the age of eligibility from 65 to 67.

Hey, maybe JT is trying to court the conservative vote, which would split the right wing in Ontario, givng the NDP a chance to come up the middle to victory :)


Ippurigakko
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so JT liberal and harper conservative vote would split the right wing and NDP victory in 2014-2015? similar Quebec election 2012 Liberal and CAQ are vote splitting, remember jean charest is former PC and PQ victory.


Hunky_Monkey
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Didn't Trudeau vote to keep the registry? Seems he's trying to court all the blue Liberals that left the Liberal Party. Not sure if it'll work coming from Trudeau. It's also unclear how well it'll fly inside a party that believes in little but hitched its wagon to the registry big time for political reasons.

Centrist
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Time for a reality check and formulate a strategic "slap-down" to hit this dumbster Trudeau irritant in the bud. If not now - then later on.  Because it's apparent that the party brass and posters on here still don't seem to "get it" yet. Just referring to last week's opinion poll from Harris Decima, for example:

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Mr. Trudeau would attract support across partisan lines. Overall, 21% of Conservatives, 48% of New Democrats, 44% of Greens, and 22% of BQ supporters say they’d be certain or likely to vote Liberal if he were leader

48% of current NDP supporters? These aren't "blue" Libs that will be splitting the right-wing vote. Is anyone listening?! 


Jacob Two-Two
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What has the party brass been failing to do about Justin Trudeau that makes you think they don't "get it"? Should they have had him whacked by now?

Personally, I don't think Trudeau will end up being a problem after he falls on his face a few times and gets pegged as the dilettante that he is, but that's just me. I doubt anyone in the party is taking that for granted. I'm pretty sure they're thinking hard about how to counteract Trudeau if he turns out to be popular, but it would be more than premature to launch some major offense against the guy before he's even become the leader.


theleftyinvestor
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Trudeau courting blue Liberals... what is this bizarro world?

I am actually (pleasantly) surprised that Garneau is sounding less regressive than Trudeau so far.

Trudeau gives an unequivocal thumbs-up to Nexen.

Garneau, on CBC, states that he supports the Nexen takeover *on the condition* that Canada uses the opportunity to level the playing field for access to the Chinese market. In other words, if Canadian companies cannot make Chinese acquisitions the same way they are buying here, if reciprocity is not an option, there have to be concessions for fairness to Canadians. On NGP he says he believes that if the science says it's not a good idea, the government must not reverse that decision, and the concerns of aboriginals over whose land it travels must absolutely be addressed.

Honestly if Trudeau reaches for the blue vote he's gonna look like Christy Clark. The right will see him as irreversibly attached to a legacy they distrust, and the left will not trust him either. Whereas I think both sides would see credibility in Garneau. But Trudeaumania may cause temporary insanity such that they don't realize this.


adma
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theleftyinvestor wrote:
Honestly if Trudeau reaches for the blue vote he's gonna look like Christy Clark. The right will see him as irreversibly attached to a legacy they distrust, and the left will not trust him either. Whereas I think both sides would see credibility in Garneau. But Trudeaumania may cause temporary insanity such that they don't realize this.

Or, perhaps, an inverse version of Ontario PC leaders like Larry Grossman and John Tory (i.e. Red Tories forced rightward against their natural disposition)


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clambake wrote:

Trudeau calls long-gun registry 'a failure'

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/12/01/pol-the-house-justin-tr...

He went so far as to say that having a gun is "an important facet of Canadian identity".

Where is the "I have no words" smiley when you need it...


Arthur Cramer
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"He went so far as to say that having a gun is "an important facet of Canadian identity".

Really?

Is it possible he is the Canadian Palin?


janfromthebruce
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I think that Trudeau is openly pandering to certain voting constituencies - I can't believe that he would say that this is a part of Canadian identity.

I have no words


addictedtomyipod
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I must not be a real Canadian as I don't own a gun.

Maybe I best put it on my gift wish list.  Let's all get guns this year and make Justin proud.


felixr
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I've read that Justin's road to Liberal revival leads through Quebec. Now his advisers have him courting Tory Ontario. This guy is about a consistent and focussed as a loose hose on a fire hydrant.


jjuares
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I wonder if  Trudeau's comment on the registry was a shoot from the hip statement or a calculated appeal to some targetted segment of voters?


jerrym
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Arthur Cramer wrote:

"He went so far as to say that having a gun is "an important facet of Canadian identity".

Really?

Is it possible he is the Canadian Palin?

I think he tends to careen from one error to the next. After his Alberta comments devastated his image in Alberta and much of the rest of the prairies, his solution is to pick what he thinks is a 'western' issue, the gun registry, and show he is sympathetic to the West. However, comments like a gun is "an important facet of Canadian identity" are likely to alienate many Quebec and city voters. Keep on careening Justin.


clambake
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Lots of comments on the CBC defending Justin. What is with this irrational loyalty to defend the Liberal brand?


Ippurigakko
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u mean CBC staff or liberal supporter comments defends JT?


lagatta
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I rather doubt many people in Papineau riding own guns. 


clambake
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Ippurigakko wrote:

u mean CBC staff or liberal supporter comments defends JT?

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Arthur Cramer
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clambake wrote:

Lots of comments on the CBC defending Justin. What is with this irrational loyalty to defend the Liberal brand?

I actually think this is easy to explain. Here in Winnipeg, we only have right wing talk. If you listen to these shows, the callers are almost always right leaning, ordinary working people, with real day-to-day, go to work and come home jobs. They all tend to vote Tory. Occassionally, a left leaning caller will call in, only to get hammered and rididculed. My point is this, I think people who agree with a way a certain thing is presented tend to be open in their support of that. What you are seeing at the CBC web site is simply Libs, or Lib leaning voters indicating their support. It really is not representative of anything. It is no secret the CBC is not a friend of the NDP. All you have to do is look at the comments on this website when the discussion of Murphy and CCC comes up to see that most people on here simply choose not to listen to it. It is a waste of time, so why bother? That is of course for occassional lunatics like myself who occassionally get on and into shouting matches with Murphy (I have to stop doing that by the way, Laughing). So, what you are seeing is simply support for a partiuclar postition. The people posting there are arguably not really representative of much other then that they are representative of people who are supportive and agree with the CBC's take on things. I mean, even here on Rabble, we have been having a lot of discussion about how "representative" polling acutally is. Bottom line, people tend to speak up when they agree with something, and to be quiet when they don't. I don't know how much truck I would put in what you are seeing on the CBC website. Honestly, I don't go there anymore. It is a COMPLETE waste of time. Post here instead!


jerrym
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The Justin quote below from http://canadanewsnetwork.wordpress.com/2012/12/03/justin-trudeau-reveals-himself-to-be-card-carrying-nra-member/ suggests his position is not based on political calculation as I suggested above but from a "*pow* *pow*  ... watch out" cowboy mentality. Once again he also brings up the stereotypical "crazy Albertans and Quebecers out to get his father. Worse, I think he must be hallucinating about his cowboy heroism when he says he " pumped six rounds into the dude". Is he mentally stable?

"One day when I was nine years old, one of the officers left behind his fully-loaded gun in our house, and so I took it and kept it in my room.  Several weeks later, a masked intruder somehow slipped past security and entered our home during dinner.  I ran upstairs, fetched the handgun, and came down and pumped six rounds into the dude.  He turned out to be a jaded Albertan who was trying to seek revenge for the National Energy Program imposed by my father.”

“That night, I realized the value of the right to self-defense.  With the imposition of the NEP and the rise of the FLQ, there were a lot of crazy Albertans and Quebecers out there….all my family members carried concealed weapons just in case.  If anybody else decided to get all up in our grill…*pow* *pow*…watch out!”

“I really envied the Americans’ constitutional right to bear arms….so much so, I became a member of the NRA.  Here in Canada, the destruction of the gun registry is a small step in the right direction as it was very punitive towards law-abiding citizens.  As Prime Minister, I would continue the liberalization of our gun laws in order to provide Canadians with increased options to defend themselves and their property.  I believe every Canadian has a right to a gun in their home, and I would help to create firearms tax deductions aimed at families to provide a further incentive for gun ownership.”

This seems to promote having a gun in the home like the old 'chicken in every pot'  political promise with firearms tax deductions to help this along, as well as a 'gee-whiz I wish we had the Americans second constitutional amendment' approach to guarantee nothing could be done to limit gun ownership despite the tens of thousands murders, accidental killings and shootings that come with this approach in the US. Not even any consideration of taking gun safety courses to hopefully reduce somewhat the number of resulting deaths. He sounds like a hard-core survivalist. He is more than a shallow politician. He is dangerous to the health of our society. 

 

 


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