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Liberal Party of Canada

There's a general thread about the NDP, where people post their random thoughts about that party.  So, seems a good idea to have the same for the Liberal Party of Canada.

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NorthReport

There is a reason the Liberals are now only a third place party. Political sleaze and their "entitled to their entitlements" image they have created for themselves in the eyes of the Canadian public no matter how much the CBC has tried and continues to try and pimp for them. 

Now that the federal NDP and the BC NDP have proven to be so successful by being positive, the Liberals copycats now say they are going to be positive. Don't believe it for a second folks, it is just not in the Liberal DNA. Every single time there is something negative about the NDP in the press, if you assumed it was planted there by the Liberals, you would be correct 99.999999% of the time.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

NorthReport wrote:

 Every single time there is something negative about the NDP in the press, if you assumed it was planted there by the Liberals, you would be correct 99.999999% of the time.

NorthReport wrote:

Not everything is a conspiracy, although there seems to be conspiracy theory for almost every every event that takes place now.

Surprised

mark_alfred

http://www.liberal.ca/what-we-stand-for/

The url above is the current policy themes of the Liberal Party.  Of course, why, after the Liberals commit to certain things, to then just dump them once they're in power (or dump them if they don't prove successful in raising their popularity, IE Green Shift) people still pay any attention to this party is a complete mystery to me.

Anyway, here is their constitution.

mark_alfred

Liberal motion on MPs' speech loses support in wake of ruling:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2013/04/24/pol-liberal-motion-back...

janfromthebruce

Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau was supposed to bring forward the motion Monday, but was pre-empted by the government's sudden decision to debate its anti-terrorism law. Trudeau, who is campaigning Wednesday on behalf of a Liberal candidate in the Labrador byelection, handed the task over to Stéphane Dion, his democratic reform critic.

So Trudeau in his first big week on the job is missing in action. One would think that after being away for 7 months on the campaign trail that he would have wanted to make a first good impression. Instead, his big motion is fobbed off on Dion so he can do photo-ops in Labrador. One can already see what this lib leader's priority are and it's not doing work in the House.

Warawa had seemed to be leaning towards supporting the Liberal motion as a free-speech issue, but he told reporters Wednesday he now thinks it's unnecessary. "I find it a little mischievous," he said, saying there was no need to "rush in and take a knee-jerk reaction."

Finally

The NDP has indicated that it will support the Liberal motion. However, without some Conservative support, the motion has little hope of passing.

Isn't it good that NDP were willing to collaborate and thus support the lib motion. Unlike the Libs who these days prefer to collaborate with Conservatives. As said elsewhere, Liberals are just Conservatives dressed up in red dresses.

Look what Derrick had to say

Derrick O'Keefe ‏@derrickokeefe 2h

Wax on about the Charter one day, vote for a Bill that goes against it the next? Just watch him. @JustinTrudeau #cdnpoli #s7

and

Derrick O'Keefe ‏@derrickokeefe 2h

Justin Trudeau says Canadians are tired of "divisive politics", acts on this by uniting w/ Harper voting for #FIPA & Bill #S7. #cdnpoli

 

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kropotkin1951 wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

 Every single time there is something negative about the NDP in the press, if you assumed it was planted there by the Liberals, you would be correct 99.999999% of the time.

NorthReport wrote:

Not everything is a conspiracy, although there seems to be conspiracy theory for almost every every event that takes place now.

Surprised

 

:)

 

It is true though that the MSM teams up on the NDP. ;)

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Indeed they do but they certainly don't need Liberals telling them to do it, they are self directed.

mark_alfred

Here's the motion that the Liberals put forward to give backbench MPs more freedom.  link

The result of the vote on the motion was it was defeated 149-96.  The NDP did support the motion, but the Conservatives, including the backbenchers who had been unhappy about being muzzled, voted against it.  link   The article notes that Trudeau himself missed the vote, choosing to go to Labrador to help the Liberal candidate there campaign in a byelection instead.

mark_alfred

RevolutionPlease wrote:

It is true though that the MSM teams up on the NDP. ;)

The best antidote is to rely on the NDP press releases, rather than the MSM.  Today, the big stories in the MSM were from a released Liberal reality check about Stephen Harper also talking about "root causes" some time ago.  This trivia is the focus of the two big business parties and their MSM backers.

But, on the NDP site there often is something more interesting.  Here's one:

NDP uncovers thousands of privacy breaches affecting hundreds of thousands of Canadians

I did find an article about this in the MSM too, which is good.  In doing a search on this issue, I also found an older article that was interesting:

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An anonymous privacy advocate rose up against proposed internet surveillance legislation by publishing on Twitter tawdry snippets of Public Safety Minister Vic Toews’ 2010 divorce proceedings.

[..]

the anonymous poster, code name @vikileaks30, may have been inflamed by the minister’s accusation that anyone who does not support his legislation is in effect siding with child pornographers.

“Vic wants to know about you. Let’s get to know about Vic,” read the first posting from the account.

Liberal MP Justin Trudeau condemned the release of the divorce details while at the same time directing people to the Twitter account from where they came. But the majority of MPs chose to focus their fury on the intent of the bill and the hard-line approach the Conservatives have taken in the House of Commons.

“I have absolutely no interest in Vic Toews’ private life. I’ve got enough on this guy’s public statements to say this man has some explaining to do to Canadians,” said New Democrat MP Charlie Angus. “You see this man backpedalling furiously now to try and seem reasonable. It’s hard to sound reasonable if you say that anybody who disagrees with you is a child pornographer.”

Note first the integrity of Angus, and then note the lack of integrity of Trudeau.

 

mark_alfred

Auditor General's report another example of how the Liberals are out to lunch.  While the NDP was hammering away at the government,

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Curiously, Justin Trudeau, the new Liberal leader, chose to all but ignore the report, sticking to the increases in tariffs announced in the budget. It represented a missed opportunity for the Liberals -- reports this damning on so many fronts are as rare as efficacious Conservative procurement projects.

Brachina

The Liberals, Tories, and even the Greens voted against Megan Leslie's Climate Change Bill.

The Libs and Tories I understand, they're rightwing clowns, but Emay voting against the enviroment?

janfromthebruce

Emay is perhaps wanting to stand with her Liberal friends and to heck with the environment.

North Star

I'm sorry for linking to the Huffington Post but this should be shared shared:

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/tom-kott/is-justin-trudeau-a-conservative_b_3150871.html

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Then, in an interview with the CBC's Peter Mansbridge in the same week, Trudeau continued to push for a smaller, and smarter, government. Though the Liberals rallied against "jets and jails" in 2011, Trudeau supports the procurement of fighter jets, believing it's a necessary asset for a strong modern military. He also used the opportunity to establish himself as a staunch federalist, turning the table on Conservatives for associating with soft Quebec nationalists -- albeit three decades ago. Moreover, he attacked the government's Economic Action Plan by saying the economy doesn't need government stimulation. A Prime Minister Trudeau would also fight for minimum government involvement in the economy and support rigorous free trade, according to the interview. These are all things a young Stephen Harper would advocate.

Never has a Liberal leader in quite some time been so small c conservative before winning power!

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North Star wrote:

I'm sorry for linking to the Huffington Post but this should be shared shared:

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/tom-kott/is-justin-trudeau-a-conservative_b_3150871.html

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Then, in an interview with the CBC's Peter Mansbridge in the same week, Trudeau continued to push for a smaller, and smarter, government. Though the Liberals rallied against "jets and jails" in 2011, Trudeau supports the procurement of fighter jets, believing it's a necessary asset for a strong modern military. He also used the opportunity to establish himself as a staunch federalist, turning the table on Conservatives for associating with soft Quebec nationalists -- albeit three decades ago. Moreover, he attacked the government's Economic Action Plan by saying the economy doesn't need government stimulation. A Prime Minister Trudeau would also fight for minimum government involvement in the economy and support rigorous free trade, according to the interview. These are all things a young Stephen Harper would advocate.

Never has a Liberal leader in quite some time been so small c conservative before winning power!

Militarism and growth through Corporate friendly trade policy? Where have we heard this before. I wouldn't go so far as to say he is the same as the Fascist leaders of WWII, but I'd say it would be fair to say you could describe Trudeau as advocating a kind of "soft fascism", without the same amount of blantant oppostion suppression. All those union guys made at the Tories, wait untill Le Dauphin gets his way. As Jolson said, "You Ain't Heard Nothin' Yet!".

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Justin Trudeau has complained about the "regional resentment" Ducth Disease analyses create (note the lack of emphasis on the analyses validity)

Meanwhile, Scott Brison used the same analysis.

janfromthebruce

At the leadership win, it was remarked by a prominant Liberal that the Martin Libs filled the room and very supportive of Trudeau Jr.'s win.

So the idea for the libs is basically to not have Trudeau say much of anything, attract the youthful and supposed progressives but hope they really aren't paying attention to what comes out of his mouth and lay the groundwork for the "false god" syndrome.

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janfromthebruce wrote:

At the leadership win, it was remarked by a prominant Liberal that the Martin Libs filled the room and very supportive of Trudeau Jr.'s win.

So the idea for the libs is basically to not have Trudeau say much of anything, attract the youthful and supposed progressives but hope they really aren't paying attention to what comes out of his mouth and lay the groundwork for the "false god" syndrome.

 Bingo!Smile

socialdemocrati...

Pop quiz.

Which creates more regional resentment:

(a) Using the term coined by the Economist (aka the "dutch disease") to describe how overinvestment in the resource sector can put a country's future at the mercy of commodity cycles, and potentially trash an entire economy.

(b) This.

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you picked (a), it doesn't mean that you're necessarily an economist or even concerned about the dutch disease. But it DOES mean you're not an unthinking partisan zombie. Congratulations.

janfromthebruce

that was way too easy of a pop quiz - I did it with my eyes closed

Brachina

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/inside-politics-blog/2013/04/ndp-mp-call...

Okay the Liberals are acting way to weird on this, Dion is acting as leader and leading the attack, while Justin hides and refuses to what get involved. Not to mention the Liberals are crazy deseperate to keep this thing buried.

The irony is this kind of coverup action makes people paraniod, and not just in Quebec, because as you'll read in the comments section people start wondering what you've got to hide.

Who the fuck is running the Liberals and what kind of weed are they smoking and what does Justin Trudeau know?

janfromthebruce

And this is weird too, although not verified anywhere that I have seen but does anybody know about this:

Bob Rae Has Early Signs Of Dementia It is sad when these things happen.

Brachina

Ha, a cheap shot from Dan at the maple leafs Jan. He is not a fan of the Toronto Leafs.

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Dion is the Liberals Critic for Intergovernmental Affairs and spokesman for la Francophonie.  Pay attention the Liberals are actually saying the right things.  Mulcair has called the integrity of the SCC into question and it looks like he is playing errand boy for the National Assembly.  The SCC does not even hear evidence in the cases that come before it but Mulcair who used to be a law Professor is now asking them to in effect directly subpoena records from the government, something they don't do. They don't order the government to do anything without a case before them and live issues. A Quebec historian writes a book and the NDP asks the SCC to step outside of its jurisdiction. I have no idea how this will play our in Quebec but I think the NDP is playing with fire by opening the constitutional can of worms. I'm old enough to remember the last time the NDP went down that road.

The Liberals are looking to regain the supporters they lost to the Tories. I know in my riding in BC over the last couple of election cycles we figured that the Liberal supporters were going almost two to one to the Conservatives not the NDP. Trudeau is trying to run from the centre. I for one am glad to hear him actually state what we know has always been Liberal policy. They are the original continentalist party in this country and were big on GATT and the WTO. They support big business and always have. It is refreshing for them to have a Leader who is not trying to out flank the NDP on the left.  They are positioning themselves to benefit from a collapse in the Conservative vote by giving the voters a kinder gentler "conservative" party.

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This motion calls for the federal government to release archived documents related to the constitutional negotiations which led to the patriation of the Constitution in 1982.

However, the federal government has already stated that it does not intend to give policy directives to civil servants responsible for the application of the Access to Information Act.

We would like the government to hold firm in this respect. The Conservatives already have a tendency to politicize everything; there is no need to encourage them in this bad habit. The last thing we should do is politicize the application of the Access to Information Act.

We believe this act should be strengthened; however, this should be done as part of a global legislative review and not in response to one specific request for information.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/inside-politics-blog/2013/04/ndp-mp-call...

 

janfromthebruce

k1951, that may be true at this point but this is a situation where they hope the progressive population doesn't really tune in and recognize that the libs are right of centre. Interesting how one perceives that the "centre" is now where?

Geoff

mark_alfred wrote:

http://www.liberal.ca/what-we-stand-for/

The url above is the current policy themes of the Liberal Party.  Of course, why, after the Liberals commit to certain things, to then just dump them once they're in power (or dump them if they don't prove successful in raising their popularity, IE Green Shift) people still pay any attention to this party is a complete mystery to me.

Anyway, here is their constitution.

I hate to accuse anyone of plagiarism, but having just read the policy themes from the Liberal website, they're obviously stolen from the NDP's new preamble, which was passed at last month's convention.  I can see no substantial difference between the two 'statements of principle'. 

Can we sue the Liberals for stealing our principles?  Oh, wait a minute.  I didn't check the date on the Liberal site.  Hold off on the suit until we figure out who should sue who.

socialdemocrati...

Conservatism with a smile. Conservatism with better hair.

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

Trudeau speaking at Sisler High School here in Winniepg and then going downtown to Portage Place to try and dupe voters.

Brachina

Is Parliament out of session? Because otherwise wow does Justin hate spending time in Parliament or what.

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

Brachina wrote:
Is Parliament out of session? Because otherwise wow does Justin hate spending time in Parliament or what.

Yep, he could  end having the same kind of attendance record as Ignatief, and we know how that turned out.

Brachina

I believe Justin's attendence record is worse. Its one thing when he was in the leadship race, that's a needed democractic function and as such could be concidered at work. But his attendence record I hear was bad before and its bad now. I mean he missed his own motion.

Why is Dion acting as effective leader of the Liberal Party?

janfromthebruce

Justin doesn't believe he needs to be in the House because it's a waste of his time. Hence, why his record as a lowly backbencher Lib MP. He much before to be out walking the streets with his soapbox, and not hemmed in in actually standing up. And that would require cognet thought.

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

"Oh, Oh, Le Dauphin's mom is getting into the act now:

 

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Justin Trudeau isn’t swinging back in the face of Tory attacks. But nobody said anything about his mother. (CP)

Justin Trudeau's latest defender against Tory attacks would make even a schoolboy blush: his mom.

“Someone is bullying my Justin and that makes me mad,” Margaret Trudeau told a crowd this week to raucous applause, reports the North Bay Nipissing News"

 

How dare anyone challenge the right of Le Dauphin to rule...err...govern with impunity...errr...majority. Doh!

Brachina

He's hiding behind his mothers skirts? Gawd.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

I love the in depth political insight provided by the Dippers on this board. By the way she was speaking as she often does about mental health issues. She is a good speaker and very knowledgeable in that area. But go ahead show us how partisan you can be.

Liberal supporters got their arrogance from being in office most of the last century. I find it amusing that NPD'ers only had to get to second place before they became just about as arrogant and demeaning towards their opponents. If you every won power how arrogant could you become?

janfromthebruce

Trudeau's mom may be knowledgable about bipolar disorder and speak about mental health issues, however, bullying is a serious matter, particularly in schools. There is a fair bit of difference between political attacks and bullying.

And the distinction is important. Bullying usually includes power in-balances in relationships. I find that someone who has led a life of privilege and is a millionaire would not be preceived as the "poster child" for anti-bullying. Thus, he's using his privleged position to muddy the water between political attacks and bullying.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

I disagree. I have always seen what Harper does politically as bullying, including the nasty negative ads, and that was my opinion long before Trudeau ran for leadership.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

As well I don't even see the point about who is being bullied as relevant. If a school yard bully is from a marginalized family then are you saying it is not bullying as long as he only attacks kids from better off families who drive new cars and live in their own homes? In your opinion what is the income level cutoff that determines when something is bullying or not?

janfromthebruce

Well as air space gets taken up with Trudeau Jr.'s belly aching - time to get over it and move on to talking about what's important, and that's not him.

And I've seen lots of bullying by the Liberals so I do find it rich that all of a sudden the Liberals "have religion" so to speak. Perhaps hs whine about a school board denying his media cohert could also be constued as bullying poor little Trudeau Jr.

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

I wasn't going to say anything, but I had to add to what Jan posted. The issue happened in my riding. What is driving a lot of it is the fact the media attention would have really helped my MP, the beautiful and talented, Kevin Lamoureux. When there's whining, look closely, you'll probably see Lamoureux lurking around, peeking out from underneath his rock.

Unionist

The kindergarten-style attacks on Trudeau in this thread and on this board are worrisome. Are you folks really that worried that he might wipe the floor with Mulcair? Have you considered identifying and emphasizing differences of real principle and conviction on the vital issues facing the people - or is that becoming too difficult a task?

Your attacks on Trudeau and his mother truly have "schoolyard" written all over them.

JKR

Unfortunately bullying to some extent has always been a part of Canadian politics. All the major parties have engaged in unfairly attacking the personalities of the leaders they are opposing but until Harper's governments they've mostly done it just before or during election periods. But Harper has notched it up considerably and taken it to another level using it very extensively between elections. The Liberals bullied Harper with their personal negative ads for the 2006 election and that probably gave Harper the impetus to use bullying personal negative ads against the Liberals between elections during his minority governments. Negative personal attack ads were effective during the Harper minority periods because it was easy for Harper to claim that the Liberals and the opposition were selfishly out to grab power through calling an unwanted election instead of cooperating with the duly elected government. That's one reason the Conservatives campaign against an undemocratic "coalition of the socialists and separatists" was successful. Now that we have a majority situation it seems like it is much more difficult for the government to create effective negative personal advertising against the opposition leaders. The opposition leaders have no real power so it is very difficult for the Conservatives to make them out as an impending threat. As we near the next election, these personal attack ads might be more effective at selling the idea of a leader being a threat to Canada by virtue of their negative personality traits but if the Conservatives run these negative personal ads too soon it may innoculate the voters from believing them when it might have worked nearer to election time.

Two things that seem to have increased the use of bullying personal attack ads are 1) minority governments and 2) the Conservative's knowledge that the opposition parties don't have the resources to retaliate against the negative advertising in kind. This gives strength to the  argument in favour of the opposition parties cooperating to produce advertising to counter the Conservative's attack ads but, since some of the opposition parties don't mind seeing the other opposition parties being bullied, there's an incentive for the opposition parties not to work together in countering the Conservatives attack ads.

There are ways that bullying personal attack ads could be taken out of the political process. We could have a law requiring that media that runs personal attack adds offer equal time for rebuttal to the persons and parties being attacked. We could also publicly fund the parties more so they have the resources to be on a level playing field regarding political advertising.

ETA: We could also have fair voting where we would have a multi-party system that requires the parties to work with each other.

BoredToTheCore

From the Green Shift to Keystone gung-ho. Trudeau loves that Keystone; it's what being Canadian is all about in his eyes. 

 

Are we allowed to comment on his, ahem, "policy" stands? Or is that bullying the poor lad, too? 

 

http://goo.gl/C8ApT

 

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

You know what gets me about these calls for we New Dems to be nicer, its always after we react to something that is said on the forum, or in the meida. Trudeau talks about New Politics, Harper reacts, Trudeau says that's bullying, we react and we get told we are crazy partisans. Otherwise, when we talk policy, show that the king has no clothes, we get attacked as negative, and around and around it goes. If you don't want people to comment on something, don't say it. If you do, and its in the public forum, its fair game. I'd say those people whining about we uncivl Dippers, should get off their high horses. By the way, I don't like the term Dipper, I'm not one. I am a New Democrat, who belongs to the New Deomcrat Party. I don't belong to the "Dipper" party. Why you start there is you want civility. You won't of course. I'm just askin'.

BoredToTheCore

You know what Trudeau has, that bullied kids will never ever have?

 

A loyal, partisan media arm/wing (Delacourt, etc) that will continuously saturate his name, face, and empty hack words as far as one can see, hear, etc.  

mark_alfred

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Liberal supporters got their arrogance from being in office most of the last century. I find it amusing that NPD'ers only had to get to second place before they became just about as arrogant and demeaning towards their opponents. If you every won power how arrogant could you become?

Power to the people.  The working class rules.  Eat the rich.  Defeat neoliberalism.  Social democracy now.  Libs and Cons bite turds.  NDP rules.

JKR

BoredToTheCore wrote:

From the Green Shift to Keystone gung-ho. Trudeau loves that Keystone; it's what being Canadian is all about in his eyes. 

Are we allowed to comment on his, ahem, "policy" stands? Or is that bullying the poor lad, too? 

http://goo.gl/C8ApT

We could take this as an opportunity to talk about policy instead of engaging in partisan attacks and name calling that includes negative terms like "poor lad", "dipper", "con" or "fiberal".

None of the major political parties wants to shut down the oil sands. The Conservatives support pipelines going east, south, and west, the Liberals support them going south and east and the NDP supports them going just east. Under all three parties plans oil sands oil keeps flowing and hits tidewater so Alberta and Canada can get higher international prices.  The amount of oil sands oil being produced may well be about the same under all the parties plans and if Keystone gets approved the NDP will join the other major parties and go along with it. If less oil goes to the US via Keystone more will likely end up going eastward to the Atlantic and beyond. And if pipelines are not built that go westward and southward, rail will be used and this will be much more environmentally risky than pipelines. 

Albertans feel unfairly targetted as they are not the biggest cause of man made climate change in Canada and they depend very heavily on the oil and gas industry. Climate change is a huge problem. The NDP supports cap and trade and other initiatives, Trudeau has called for setting a price for carbon and the Conservatives basically just mimic what the US is doing. It's also true that if we unilaterally penalize our oil and gas industry and our compettitors like the US don't, we will put our oil and gas industries and the many industries associated with them at a competitive disadvantage and that will hurt our economy and cost us jobs. It is also true that a green economy would create a lot of jobs and better the economy. It also seems that unfortunately the US's recent surge in oil production has been a huge benefit to their economy while the EU's green agenda has raised their energy costs and weakened their economy. Balancing all these issues is difficult. This most serious of issues is a global one. Canada can't go it alone to solve this global problem unilaterally. On the international scene the Conservatives have done everything they can to sabatoge the international process. Under the Harper Conservatives we've won 5 or 6 Fossil of the Year awards since Harper took office 7 years ago. A global treaty is probably the only viable solution to this problem. I haven't heard the NDP, Greens, Liberals, or Conservatives mention what kind of international agreement they feel is required to deal with global climate change although the Conservatives seem to be the only party that is actively fighting the establishment of any global agreement.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Well said JKR.

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mark_alfred wrote:

Power to the people.  The working class rules.  Eat the rich.  Defeat neoliberalism.  Social democracy now.  Libs and Cons bite turds.  NDP rules.

Great slogans and none of them are my idea of arrogance.

janfromthebruce

Actually the NDP do support the Kyoto accord and the recent motion defeated with support of the Libs and one Green. And they do have policy concerning dealing with climate change.

As to Trudeau and bullying, I perceived his backlash against not beiing allow to have his media in tow when he was speaking to students as a form of bullying against another lower level of govt - a school board, and by extension a school. That is a provincial responsibility according to the constitution. He shouldn't try bullying schools - what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

North Star

If I were the NDP (and god knows they would never take my suggestions on economic policy) I would continue to ignore Trudeau. Let the Liberal brain trust continue to think that the way to power is to occupy the centre-right with Harper. I'm actually surprised how right wing Trudeau has been in opposition. Now of course all of the things he's voted alongside Harper with aren't surprising from Liberals in power, but in opposition? He's making the "Bobsey Twins of Bay Street" or should I say "Bobsey Twins of (insert name of street in Calgary where all the oil companies are)" far too easy.

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