Liberals Will Have Zero to Little Representation In BC, AB, MB, SK & Ont

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Mighty Middle
Liberals Will Have Zero to Little Representation In BC, AB, MB, SK & Ont

So the Liberals are poised to only have provincial representation in Atlantic Canada. By the end of the week they will have zero to little representation in BC, AB, MB, SK and Ontario.

In Quebec, BC and Yukon there is a "Liberal" name,  but that is a misnomer. Those Liberals are actually a coalition of Liberals and Conservatives.

In contrast the NDP is alive and well (provincially) in Yukon, BC, AB, MB, SK and Ontario. But not a presence in Quebec, with representation in NS and NL.

So the NDP has better bench strength across the country provincially than the Liberals.

SocialJustice101

Provincial NDP parties don't exactly align federally either.    Some progressive voters may vote Liberal federally, while voting BC NDP or Alberta NDP provincially.  You can add the Ontario NDP to that list, as it stands.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

Mighty Middle wrote:

So the Liberals are poised to only have provincial representation in Atlantic Canada. By the end of the week they will have zero to little representation in BC, AB, MB, SK and Ontario.

In Quebec, BC and Yukon there is a "Liberal" name,  but that is a misnomer. Those Liberals are actually a coalition of Liberals and Conservatives.

In contrast the NDP is alive and well (provincially) in Yukon, BC, AB, MB, SK and Ontario. But not a presence in Quebec, with representation in NS and NL.

So the NDP has better bench strength across the country provincially than the Liberals.

Actually, it's the Yukon Party that's the Lib/Tory or "BC Socred" equivalent up there.  Not sure where the actual Yukon Liberals fit in on the spectrum.  When you put that together with the BC Libs(is anybody wondering why they haven't just rename themselves the "British Columbia Party"?) and the Saskatchewan Party, it raises the question of whether somebody will simply form a federal equivalent called the "Canada Party/Parti Canada'".

Misfit Misfit's picture

Yes it is the right wing parties they have to change their names to patriotic ones when the right wing agenda makes them extremely unpopular and they know they'll never get reelected any other way.

voice of the damned

Misfit wrote:

Yes it is the right wing parties they have to change their names to patriotic ones when the right wing agenda makes them extremely unpopular and they know they'll never get reelected any other way.

Well, in Alberta, the Alberta Party are sort of the equivalent of federal Liberals, ideologically speaking, so not right-wing in a relative sense. Though the party did evolve from being an offically conservative one(complicated history there), and they've never actually held power(or anything close), so don't need to run away from any legislative record.

The federal Conservatives would be an example of a party that was doing quite well for a while under an obviously right-wing label, and as far as I know, they don't have any plans to change their name. And I guess we'll see what happens in Ontario in a few days.

voice of the damned

For the record, I really do hate it when parties, of whatever stripe, adopt the name of their jurisdiction. Not just because of the cheap patriotism, but it also strikes me as really unimaginative.  

SocialJustice101

More on this topic, who will be the next NDP Premier to join the Federal Liberals?   First it was Dosanjh and Rae.   Now everyone calls Notley a Liberal.    Is Jonh Horgan going to be next?

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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Not just because of the cheap patriotism, but it also strikes me as really unimaginative.  

I don't disagree.  But I'll take 'counterpoint' anyway and say I'm just as annoyed when parties or affiliations choose meaningless and vague names like "Vision".  That really doesn't help me understand what you stand for any more than "Vancouver" would.

But it's all just empty branding, and we should support that.  Whatever works, right?

Rev Pesky

Ken Burch wrote:

When you put that together with the BC Libs(is anybody wondering why they haven't just rename themselves the "British Columbia Party"?)

The Liberal party of BC has a sort of interesting history. There was a Liberal party outside of the Socreds, and that lasted well into the 70's. It fell on hard times, and in 1975 three of the Liberal MLA's went over to the Socreds.

It was revived in 1987 by Gordon Wilson, who took it to Opposition status in the 1991 Election. By 1994 Wilson was on the outs. A variety of problems, including an extramarital affair with another Liberal MLA, ended with a leadership campaign that was won by Gordon Campbell. 

Campbell reformed the party as a coalition of the various right-wing elements, and that's where they've been since. There has been the odd attempt to change the name, but because almost no one in BC associates the BC Liberal Party with the federal party, there really isn't any reason. It is well understood that the BC Liberals are a coalition. The name is merely a convenience. 

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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Sure white guys can play the blues. The problem is the ones who steal it

Are they like Venezuela's "MUD"?  Which is to say "we're everybody who isn't somebody else"?

Rev Pesky

Mr. Magoo wrote...

I think you skipped a thread somewhere. I suspect the above post was intended for a different thread (appropriation??)

Northern-54

I believe that there is an advantage to calling a party, the Saskatchewan Party.  Once the Conservatives became unelectable because of Devine, starting a party by the name of the Saskatchewan Party and then having all the former Conservative active supporters join it allowed the party to recover.  If there was no such name change, the Conservative recovery would have been much slower.

 

voice of the damned

Mr. Magoo wrote:

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Not just because of the cheap patriotism, but it also strikes me as really unimaginative.  

I don't disagree.  But I'll take 'counterpoint' anyway and say I'm just as annoyed when parties or affiliations choose meaningless and vague names like "Vision".  That really doesn't help me understand what you stand for any more than "Vancouver" would.

But it's all just empty branding, and we should support that.  Whatever works, right?

Well, aesthetically speaking, I'd still prefer a generic synonym for "something good", rather than just the name of the province. I mean, at least the former requires slightly more creativity than just saying "Okay, what province are we in?"

And if it helps, imagine the premiers of all the provinces being introduced at a public meeting with the names of their parties.

"Mr. Jones of the Vision Party!

Ms. Kent of the Integrity Party!

Mr. Chan of the Forward Thinking Party!"

Now imagine the same thing, only starting with "Mr. Jones of the BC Party!", and proceeding in that format.

 

 

progressive17 progressive17's picture

The Dionysus Party!

SocialJustice101

Speaking of party names, the NDP could probably use a name change.   At least drop the "New."     And why not "Labour" Party?    It's been used successfully throughout the world.

MapleInTheEye

Liberals won't have representation in Ontario for the next while, but the brand remains strong. Make no mistake about that.

Traditionally, going back clear to confederation, Liberals have never really been strong Manitoba westward for varied reasons.

The Liberals lost in Ontario because Liberals tainted their own brand. Wynne did herself in this last election. Hydro One was her real downfall, nothing she did afterward really mattered to people. This recent election in Ontario left me in awe. You have a sitting, unpopular Liberal premier just take a bad situation and she made it terrifically terrible. What I mean by that: she starts attacking labour in the midst of a campaign, when Liberals had been relatively labour friendly in the past (that campaign technique I'll never understand). She concedes before the damn election is over, under the pretense that it would help local candidates (that technique I'll never understand).

It is going to take me years to study and understand the Wynne Liberals. So many good things accomplished: rent control on all properties, CHECK. Minimum wage to $14 and then $15/hr, CHECK. Universal basic income pilot, CHECK. OHIP+? Well, it isn't pharmacare, but its in the right direction, so I'll give another CHECK.

But girl if you didn't privatize hydro one and waste so much energy on things that didn't matter. How dumb can you get?

She had to be the dumbest political leader in Ontario history. Good politicians don't make such DUMB decisions even if there are good ones mixed in. The entire reason people abandoned her after hydro one is because Liberals already had a record of mistakes, in 2014's election she owned those mistakes. She said she would learn from them. Hydro One reinforced that not only were those lessons not learned, it was spitting in people's faces.

Abandoning labour in the last weeks of a dying campaign is just icing on the 'we don't care' cake.

The Liberals deserved to go down for it, but why we had to get Ford? LOL

We just went from a government where people didn't like it to a goverment where 60% really didn't support it at the polls, either. Meanwhile, Andrea Horwath celebrates a loss. Sure, the NDP is official opposition. Yahoo! That does nobody any good. It was a terrifically terrible election all around. Ontarians will savour the 10 cent drop in gasoline prices just so that big oil can jack it up by 15 cents after a few months. That's what you get when 40% of the population is as dumb as Kathleen Wynne's political aptitude.